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Mr D
09-22-2008, 03:13 PM
He is pretty optimistic and positive about the defense. The reporters obviously did bombard him with questions about the pass D. He responded by saying that there will be improvement and as long as you can stop the run, you can get better with the pass defense in a short period of time.

He seems confident that there will be improvement... and it can be done over a short period of time.

We will see.

Kaylore
09-22-2008, 03:18 PM
His main point was the we're stopping the run and giving good effort. He also pointed out they tried a lot of new stuff yesterday. This is true because the Saints mentioned they expected more man and we ran a ton of zone. Little good it did us.

The one good thing is he was really happy with the play from Larsen and Woodyard and they're catching his eye. Says Larsen just about "decapitated" a player on special teams.

He also said as long as the effort is there the rest will fall into place.

I don't know if I buy it, but I do know that either its going to get better or its going to bite us in the rear.

ApaOps5
09-22-2008, 03:30 PM
Larsen and Kouti both have stepped up the ST play this last game. Kickoff coverage was much better.

I don't see how the pass D will get better with 0 DL pressure.

Mr D
09-22-2008, 03:30 PM
I'm waiting for someone to ask him about Torain and how he will be implemented into the system. He should be back within 3-4 weeks...

Honestly, we obviously know we can't get a rush by simply rushing our front 4 like the Eagles... so we need to stunt and blitz.

I hope I see much improvement next week.

MOtorboat
09-22-2008, 03:42 PM
I'd be a little worried if he didn't hope there would be improvement...

OB
09-22-2008, 03:44 PM
Yeah yeah yeah - blah blah blah - lets see what happens next week - i dont need more smoke blown up my ass this week (and its only monday) :coffee:

Cugel
09-22-2008, 03:44 PM
Shanahan went out and spent all his high draft picks and big FA money on OFFENSIVE players. The draft picks that have worked are all OFFENSIVE players. Look at the list:

TE Tony Sheffler - 2nd round pick
QB Jay Cutler - 1st round pick (traded up to #11 to get him)
WR Brandon Marshall -- 4th round pick
WR Eddie Royal - 2nd round pick
LT - Ryan Clady - 1st round pick

Meanwhile both starting safeties, all the LBs and both CBs are all free-agents. Aside from Champ Bailey that is.

And most were cast offs who were dumped by their teams.

I don't care much how great he thinks the special teams are for not giving up another TD this week. The pass-defense flat sucks and there's NO sign it will be any better this season.

What they might do is rush 8 guys on just about every play. That might work for a while. But, in 2005 teams adjusted to it and in the playoffs the Broncos were burned repeatedly. Ben Roethlisberger killed them when they tried to blitz.

It's just not a way to go deep into the playoffs. You have to have what the Giants had last year. The ability to rush 4 guys and get consistent pressure. If you can do that, you can blitz with 5 and overwhelm the offense, forcing them to go to a max protect scheme that leaves them with few options to throw to downfield (they have to keep the TE in to block for instance, which eliminates him as a target).

That type scheme beat Brady and the "unbeatable Patriots."

Can you imagine what Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, Brady or either Manning would do in a playoff game against this defense?

I can. We all experienced it in the 2 playoff losses to the Colts. Nothing has gotten any better since then as far as the eye can determine. It's 4 years now since that humiliation at the hands of Peyton Manning where he ran up 400 points (that's what I remember anyway). But still NO pass rush from the front 4 (except Dumervil who has to do it all by himself).

I've been waiting 4 years for the Broncos to address this problem and it seems like they never will. Shanahan thinks everything is just fine?

Just wait until they get beaten by the Bucs or something. (Don't laugh. Brian Griese just passed for 407 yards in their victory over the bears this week). Not at all impossible someone could break 500 yards passing against the Broncos. :coffee:

Mr D
09-22-2008, 03:56 PM
Shanahan went out and spent all his high draft picks and big FA money on OFFENSIVE players. The draft picks that have worked are all OFFENSIVE players. Look at the list:

TE Tony Sheffler - 2nd round pick
QB Jay Cutler - 1st round pick (traded up to #11 to get him)
WR Brandon Marshall -- 4th round pick
WR Eddie Royal - 2nd round pick
LT - Ryan Clady - 1st round pick

Meanwhile both starting safeties, all the LBs and both CBs are all free-agents. Aside from Champ Bailey that is.

And most were cast offs who were dumped by their teams.

I don't care much how great he thinks the special teams are for not giving up another TD this week. The pass-defense flat sucks and there's NO sign it will be any better this season.

What they might do is rush 8 guys on just about every play. That might work for a while. But, in 2005 teams adjusted to it and in the playoffs the Broncos were burned repeatedly. Ben Roethlisberger killed them when they tried to blitz.

It's just not a way to go deep into the playoffs. You have to have what the Giants had last year. The ability to rush 4 guys and get consistent pressure. If you can do that, you can blitz with 5 and overwhelm the offense, forcing them to go to a max protect scheme that leaves them with few options to throw to downfield (they have to keep the TE in to block for instance, which eliminates him as a target).

That type scheme beat Brady and the "unbeatable Patriots."

Can you imagine what Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, Brady or either Manning would do in a playoff game against this defense?

I can. We all experienced it in the 2 playoff losses to the Colts. Nothing has gotten any better since then as far as the eye can determine. It's 4 years now since that humiliation at the hands of Peyton Manning where he ran up 400 points (that's what I remember anyway). But still NO pass rush from the front 4 (except Dumervil who has to do it all by himself).

I've been waiting 4 years for the Broncos to address this problem and it seems like they never will. Shanahan thinks everything is just fine?

Just wait until they get beaten by the Bucs or something. (Don't laugh. Brian Griese just passed for 407 yards in their victory over the bears this week). Not at all impossible someone could break 500 yards passing against the Broncos. :coffee:

If we keep playing like this, yearh, breaking 500 yards is possible.

Speaking of Griese, did you see how many pass attempts it took him to reach 407 yards?

I was thinking of that Manual play, and I was wondering if that would have been that bad if Barrett was there.

You said all the LB's and CB's are free agents. Besides Bailey? You quickly forgotten DJ Williams...Dre Bly was a traded for and Paymah was drafted and Jack Williams was drafted. What matter is it if they are FA's anyways? The whole point of FA is to improve your team...there are quality players on FA...

G_Money
09-22-2008, 04:24 PM
What they might do is rush 8 guys on just about every play. That might work for a while. But, in 2005 teams adjusted to it and in the playoffs the Broncos were burned repeatedly. Ben Roethlisberger killed them when they tried to blitz.

It's just not a way to go deep into the playoffs. You have to have what the Giants had last year. The ability to rush 4 guys and get consistent pressure. If you can do that, you can blitz with 5 and overwhelm the offense, forcing them to go to a max protect scheme that leaves them with few options to throw to downfield (they have to keep the TE in to block for instance, which eliminates him as a target).

That type scheme beat Brady and the "unbeatable Patriots."

Can you imagine what Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, Brady or either Manning would do in a playoff game against this defense?

Spagnoulo and the Giants do run a blitz-heavy package, and sometimes sub out their DTs for DEs to get better pressure. They CAN get pressure with 4 guys, but it's not a straight up package. It's 4 DEs stunting at the same time or something. Their scheme is bold and aggressive and basically dares the opposition to pass it at their peril.

They practice what they preach and they constantly teach their guys the nuances of the scheme. Much like Jim Johnson, Steve's mentor at Philly, does. If you have a DC who believes in what he's doing, it's easier to have confidence as a defense. And both men let their defenses play with aggression.

The Giants lost their two best DL this season - Strahan and Osi - and are still killing people. Now either their backups are just better than anyone who plays on our team, or they're doing something different in talent evaluation, scheme and teaching than we are.

We play passive defense. We haven't stayed in one scheme longer than what, 3 quarters this year? Are we a zone blitzing scheme? I don't think we are, but it's hard to tell sometimes. Corner/LB/Safety blitz scheme? Only when it's obvious. 3-4 or 4-3? Depends on what game it is.

We aren't run blitzing and we aren't pass blitzing, not consistently. We're asking our DL to pass-rush without actually teaching them HOW to pass-rush. We have safeties getting killed in coverage because they're not cover safeties. We KNOW they're not cover safeties. But yet we're forcing them to be anyway.

That's when we're not running a weird 3-8 prevent zone crapass scheme.

Slowik won't stick with an approach, and wishy-washy schemers make for piss-poor defenses. Half the key to effective defense is aggression, being able to run to a spot on the field with 100% certainty that THAT'S where you're supposed to be and what you're supposed to be doing. The only times our D has been allowed to play with aggression, they've WON. Goal-line stands, 4th downs...then they sell out and make plays.

But none of them seem to know what the hell to do the rest of the time, and Slowik keeps changing the scheme and pulling the rug out from under them to boot.

This is why he got fired from Green Bay. Same stuff.

And it's gonna happen again if he doesn't knock it off. We can complain about the DL play all we want, but many of them are kids who are being told to play hard, but not to get too far upfield, but don't get pushed back, and remember to jump to block passes and watch out for draws and don't give up rush yards and try to get to the passer but don't open lanes for him to run out of, and don't stunt too much... :shocked:

Our DL has brain lock. :confused: When you give them one task ("Stop the Run") then it happens. They hold gaps and blockers and stand stout. You'd think "Rush the passer" would be the same thing, but it's not. In stopping the run they're closing up the middle and holding the edges and letting the LBs rush to the play. The reason DJ gets to crawl around on the ground like a dog and hug himself Livin' The Thug Life is because gaps were closed and the runner had to go to plan B, or C.

But the DL isn't making the plays on the ball. On pass-rushing, they're being asked to make the plays. And it's not happening. They don't know how.

So either they can't make plays, or our defensive coaches are not putting putting them in the best position to succeed.

Our scheme is not helping them do anything, or show anything. Not on the DL, not with the linebackers, and not in the defensive backfield. None of our strengths are being put to use (ie, speed in the back 7, theoretical pass-rush-only specialists, whatever) and all of our weaknesses are being exploited (no pass-rush from a strict front 4, LBs who aren't great in coverage, safeties who can't cover).

If that's not a scheme problem I don't know what is. I crucified Bates last year for being an idiot who was not able to find plan B when plan A wasn't working with his current personnel.

Slowik has the alternate problem. I think he's already on plan D or E, and his players just have their heads spinning.

Make a plan. Try to tailor it to the strengths of your squad, to minimize the exposure of its weaknesses. Teach that plan. Execute that plan. Perfect that plan.

Don't just get to Make a plan, skip to Execute that plan, and then go back to Make a Plan again when the execution is lacking.

We have a sorry bunch of defensive teachers, and it's hurting us. A LOT. :coffee:

~G

Lonestar
09-22-2008, 04:52 PM
I stopped believing mikeys press conferences a few year ago when he recycled the EOY speech, for the third about how we were 2-3 players away from getting the the Superbowl..

Listen to it believe a third of it and see if half of that is what happens..

He can get away with it, with his "contract for life"..

I bet Pat kicks himself in the ass after:

every loss for making that statement..
we fire another coach
find out the FA went spent a gazillion dollars on was a flake or HURT.
find out the DAFT choice went spent a gazillion dollars on was a flake or HURT, or will take an extra two years to develope..

Den21vsBal19
09-22-2008, 05:27 PM
OK, so through mini-camps, training camp, pre-season and the first three weeks of the season the defense 'doesn't get it'.............................

And now we can turn it around quickly? :confused:

What am I missing?

Lonestar
09-22-2008, 05:33 PM
OK, so through mini-camps, training camp, pre-season and the first three weeks of the season the defense 'doesn't get it'.............................

And now we can turn it around quickly? :confused:

What am I missing?

your not missing a thing..

someone (who remains nameless) had the head up their ass and could not see the forest for the trees..


Well that one is hard enough, with out being rectally challenged..

topscribe
09-22-2008, 05:43 PM
Shanahan went out and spent all his high draft picks and big FA money on OFFENSIVE players. The draft picks that have worked are all OFFENSIVE players. Look at the list:

TE Tony Sheffler - 2nd round pick
QB Jay Cutler - 1st round pick (traded up to #11 to get him)
WR Brandon Marshall -- 4th round pick
WR Eddie Royal - 2nd round pick
LT - Ryan Clady - 1st round pick

Meanwhile both starting safeties, all the LBs and both CBs are all free-agents. Aside from Champ Bailey that is.

And most were cast offs who were dumped by their teams.

I don't care much how great he thinks the special teams are for not giving up another TD this week. The pass-defense flat sucks and there's NO sign it will be any better this season.

What they might do is rush 8 guys on just about every play. That might work for a while. But, in 2005 teams adjusted to it and in the playoffs the Broncos were burned repeatedly. Ben Roethlisberger killed them when they tried to blitz.

It's just not a way to go deep into the playoffs. You have to have what the Giants had last year. The ability to rush 4 guys and get consistent pressure. If you can do that, you can blitz with 5 and overwhelm the offense, forcing them to go to a max protect scheme that leaves them with few options to throw to downfield (they have to keep the TE in to block for instance, which eliminates him as a target).

That type scheme beat Brady and the "unbeatable Patriots."

Can you imagine what Rivers, Romo, Roethlisberger, Brady or either Manning would do in a playoff game against this defense?

I can. We all experienced it in the 2 playoff losses to the Colts. Nothing has gotten any better since then as far as the eye can determine. It's 4 years now since that humiliation at the hands of Peyton Manning where he ran up 400 points (that's what I remember anyway). But still NO pass rush from the front 4 (except Dumervil who has to do it all by himself).

I've been waiting 4 years for the Broncos to address this problem and it seems like they never will. Shanahan thinks everything is just fine?

Just wait until they get beaten by the Bucs or something. (Don't laugh. Brian Griese just passed for 407 yards in their victory over the bears this week). Not at all impossible someone could break 500 yards passing against the Broncos. :coffee:

Well Cug, the problem has been addressed. It just has not been addressed
successfully so far. They have brought in Robertson, Thomas, Dumervil,
Crowder, Moss, Powell, and Steven Harris in recent years, in addition to
some once-great FAs.

Hopefully, the future will benefit from a Goodman influence?

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G_Money
09-22-2008, 06:01 PM
Whatever Mike says in pressers, you know he's not thinking he has a winning defense.

The problem is he keeps hiring buffoons to run the thing, or letting go of the few who are adequate.

Slowik knows Shanny's quick with that firing trigger, and he's not gonna get a long time to work this out. This is probably his last shot at being a DC in this league, if this doesn't work out, so he's scrambling.

I hope he scrambles in the right direction. We need Slowik to work out. We can't keep hiring a new DC every year - it's not good for stability or growth in that unit.

Unless we wanted to go out of the box a bit, like hire Ron Rivera from the sinking ship of the Chargers, anyway.

I could get behind that, even with the theoretical shift to the Cover 2 it would bring. The 3-8 isn't working for us now...

~G

OMorange&blue
09-22-2008, 06:32 PM
Well Cug, the problem has been addressed. It just has not been addressed
successfully so far. They have brought in Robertson, Thomas, Dumervil,
Crowder, Moss, Powell, and Ryan Harris in recent years, in addition to some
once-great FAs.

Hopefully, the future will benefit from a Goodman influence?

-----

Ryan Harris plays right tackle. On offense.

G_Money
09-22-2008, 06:41 PM
BTW, I write too much.

Thank God I got a job.

~G

topscribe
09-22-2008, 06:43 PM
Ryan Harris plays right tackle. On offense.

Yes, I know where Ryan Harris plays.

I think everyone who knows me understands that was a typo and I meant Steven Harris,
the 6-5, 305 lb. 2nd-year DT from Florida, who is presently on the PS.

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hamrob
09-22-2008, 06:46 PM
I've been highly critical of our defense...but love Shanny or not...he knows that all of us nay sayers are going to quiet up over the next several weeks. Why...because we have a weak schedule for many weeks to come.

That means our defense is going to look fairly well (like they did against the Fade) for most of the season. I'm sure they feel they can fix things by then.

I sure hope so! Rest assured...the Queefs aren't going to light us up!

OMorange&blue
09-22-2008, 06:50 PM
Yes, I know where Ryan Harris plays.

I think everyone who knows me understands that was a typo and I meant Steven Harris,
the 6-5, 305 lb. 2nd-year DT from Florida, who is presently on the PS.

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I'm just bored, top. I hope the Goodman clan can score us some quality D here soon as well. Actually, I was more disappointed with the Powell injury than the Torain for that very reason.

Lonestar
09-22-2008, 06:51 PM
Yes, I know where Ryan Harris plays.

I think everyone who knows me understands that was a typo and I meant Steven Harris,
the 6-5, 305 lb. 2nd-year DT from Florida, who is presently on the PS.

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your expecting this group to be clairvoyant? ;) :laugh:



good luck.. :salute:

Lonestar
09-22-2008, 06:54 PM
I've been highly critical of our defense...but love Shanny or not...he knows that all of us nay sayers are going to quiet up over the next several weeks. Why...because we have a weak schedule for many weeks to come.

That means our defense is going to look fairly well (like they did against the Fade) for most of the season. I'm sure they feel they can fix things by then.

I sure hope so! Rest assured...the Queefs aren't going to light us up!



Obviously you have not been a fan long at all ..

Den tends to pay to the level of their competition..

Now maybe with all the old timers retired and all the rookies that Will be different but I think not.. these upcoming games will be a lot closer than Y'all think they will be..

hamrob
09-22-2008, 08:34 PM
Obviously you have not been a fan long at all ..

Den tends to pay to the level of their competition..

Now maybe with all the old timers retired and all the rookies that Will be different but I think not.. these upcoming games will be a lot closer than Y'all think they will be..Don't question my fanhood! I've been a die hard Broncs fan for 35 yrs now. How about you Junior?

The middle of our schedule is soft and there aint nothing going to stop our offense from putting up 30+ points a game. So, think what you want "doubter"...even with our poor defense...we're going to win a heck of alot of games.

Admit it...your just sore...because you were forecasting a 4 win season.

Hey...it's o.k. You've been exposed. Live with it!

topscribe
09-22-2008, 08:39 PM
Don't question my fanhood! I've been a die hard Broncs fan for 35 yrs now. How about you Junior?

The middle of our schedule is soft and there aint nothing going to stop our offense from putting up 30+ points a game. So, think what you want "doubter"...even with our poor defense...we're going to win a heck of alot of games.

Admit it...your just sore...because you were forecasting a 4 win season.

Hey...it's o.k. You've been exposed. Live with it!

I think JR was saying that tongue-in-cheek, Ham. He doesn't make such
comments seriously. You just have to get to know him.

Nonetheless, along with me, JR saw the first game the Broncos ever played
on 9 Sept 1960, in which the Broncos beat the Boston Patriots 13-10. :D

JR is our resident pessimist, this is true. But I assure you, he cheers when the
Broncos win.

-----

Buff
09-22-2008, 09:47 PM
Whatever Mike says in pressers, you know he's not thinking he has a winning defense.

The problem is he keeps hiring buffoons to run the thing, or letting go of the few who are adequate.

Slowik knows Shanny's quick with that firing trigger, and he's not gonna get a long time to work this out. This is probably his last shot at being a DC in this league, if this doesn't work out, so he's scrambling.

I hope he scrambles in the right direction. We need Slowik to work out. We can't keep hiring a new DC every year - it's not good for stability or growth in that unit.

Unless we wanted to go out of the box a bit, like hire Ron Rivera from the sinking ship of the Chargers, anyway.

I could get behind that, even with the theoretical shift to the Cover 2 it would bring. The 3-8 isn't working for us now...

~G

If you watch the end of the press conference, they ask Shanahan something to the effect of "If all 4-5 LB's are healthy (Winborn, possibly Louis Green) will you run some more 3-4 looks?" -- And Shanahan basically replied that the LB position is their strength with 7 LB's, and hinted at more true 3-4 type looks down the road. He seems to think that despite the 3 man front failing on Sunday, it will "benefit us down the road."

Now that could all be spin trying to put lipstick on a pig (sucks that phrase has to be political now), but it does begin to explain why they ran the 3 man front if they were toying with more 3-4 looks. It's not that they were always dropping 8 and in 3-2-6 or 3-8. They just weren't getting to Brees nearly quickly enough.

So it makes you wonder if the 3 man front would succeed down the road with a healthier team or if they just don't have the personnel to pull it off.

hamrob
09-22-2008, 09:48 PM
I think JR was saying that tongue-in-cheek, Ham. He doesn't make such
comments seriously. You just have to get to know him.

Nonetheless, along with me, JR saw the first game the Broncos ever played
on 9 Sept 1960, in which the Broncos beat the Boston Patriots 13-10. :D

JR is our resident pessimist, this is true. But I assure you, he cheers when the
Broncos win.

-----Oh, I know...I meant no disrespect. I've dueled with Jr. plenty and do respect his takes. I was just giving him some of his own medicine. No worries. :D

G_Money
09-22-2008, 10:01 PM
If you watch the end of the press conference, they ask Shanahan something to the effect of "If all 4-5 LB's are healthy (Winborn, possibly Louis Green) will you run some more 3-4 looks?" -- And Shanahan basically replied that the LB position is their strength with 7 LB's, and hinted at more true 3-4 type looks down the road. He seems to think that despite the 3 man front failing on Sunday, it will "benefit us down the road."

Now that could all be spin trying to put lipstick on a pig (sucks that phrase has to be political now), but it does begin to explain why they ran the 3 man front if they were toying with more 3-4 looks. It's not that they were always dropping 8 and in 3-2-6 or 3-8. They just weren't getting to Brees nearly quickly enough.

So it makes you wonder if the 3 man front would succeed down the road with a healthier team or if they just don't have the personnel to pull it off.

Robertson was easy for the Jets to let go because although talented, he doesn't fit a 3-4 scheme. As far as I know Thomas has never run one, and isn't well-suited either as far as NT goes - he'd be outside in that scheme most likely.

It might help Crowder a little.

But it takes Doom and Moss off the field.

:confused:

And then you've got 4 LBs, all playing positions they've never played that way before. 3-4 looks require LBs to bring pressure, which is a reason why most 3-4 OLBs are big suckers - they have to be able to take on an OL without getting swallowed up, but also have to be fast enough to get to the QB from further behind the LOS. Our LBs aren't the right size for it - they're mostly on the small side.

I think DJ's a great LB, and you know I'd love to get Woodyard or somebody on the field.

But seriously? More 3-4 when we have essentially zero personnel ready to run it? It'd help Moss long-term probably to be in a 3-4 scheme, but he can't play LB now. He has no skills.

Just weird. :confused:

If Slowik already wants to add the 3-4 because he can't do jack with a 4-3 I'm gonna be even more concerned than I already am. Our guys already don't know what to do.

~G

Mr D
09-22-2008, 10:12 PM
Robertson was easy for the Jets to let go because although talented, he doesn't fit a 3-4 scheme. As far as I know Thomas has never run one, and isn't well-suited either as far as NT goes - he'd be outside in that scheme most likely.

It might help Crowder a little.

But it takes Doom and Moss off the field.

:confused:

And then you've got 4 LBs, all playing positions they've never played that way before. 3-4 looks require LBs to bring pressure, which is a reason why most 3-4 OLBs are big suckers - they have to be able to take on an OL without getting swallowed up, but also have to be fast enough to get to the QB from further behind the LOS. Our LBs aren't the right size for it - they're mostly on the small side.

I think DJ's a great LB, and you know I'd love to get Woodyard or somebody on the field.

But seriously? More 3-4 when we have essentially zero personnel ready to run it? It'd help Moss long-term probably to be in a 3-4 scheme, but he can't play LB now. He has no skills.

Just weird. :confused:

If Slowik already wants to add the 3-4 because he can't do jack with a 4-3 I'm gonna be even more concerned than I already am. Our guys already don't know what to do.

~G

I too want to see Woodyard on the field. He'll have his rookie mistakes, but it can't harm us as bad as it is now. He's been playing good on special teams and played well in the pre-season... I want to see what he'll do.

Was Tim Crowder on the inactive for last game?

Does anyone have the link to the inactives for last game?

ApaOps5
09-22-2008, 10:14 PM
I too want to see Woodyard on the field. He'll have his rookie mistakes, but it can't harm us as bad as it is now. He's been playing good on special teams and played well in the pre-season... I want to see what he'll do.

Was Tim Crowder on the inactive for last game?

Does anyone have the link to the inactives for last game?

Yes Crowder was inactive because Moss was active. I expect it to be flip flopped this week.

NightTrainLayne
09-22-2008, 10:20 PM
The Jets are making out defense look pretty good by comparison tonight. . . :D

Denver Native (Carol)
09-22-2008, 10:26 PM
The Jets are making out defense look pretty good by comparison tonight. . . :D

Yes, and SD has given up 29 points so far - I think this is just different football this year, and I am just glad that the Broncos are 3 - 0.

Tned
09-22-2008, 10:27 PM
The Jets are making out defense look pretty good by comparison tonight. . . :D

Well, as I have said, I am going to reserve judgment on our D for a few more weeks, because SD and NO were two of the most high flying/worst pass matchups we will face this year.

Lonestar
09-22-2008, 11:09 PM
Don't question my fanhood! I've been a die hard Broncs fan for 35 yrs now. How about you Junior?

The middle of our schedule is soft and there aint nothing going to stop our offense from putting up 30+ points a game. So, think what you want "doubter"...even with our poor defense...we're going to win a heck of alot of games.

Admit it...your just sore...because you were forecasting a 4 win season.

Hey...it's o.k. You've been exposed. Live with it!

Been a fan since day one was there in the stands in the shadows of the press box of Bears stadium.

I've got more time in the urinal line than most of the current forum members have been on earth.. with a few exceptions of some other old timers like TOP.

Got my season tickets after my first year of using my buddies dads season tickets.. was hooked on that first day.

South stander from the next year I think it was till they built the upper deck and that is where I moved to.. till 1979 when I moved out of state. Only Exposure I got was from blowing snow during some of those winter games.. most of the time straight in the face coming in from the north.. I remember many a game where the police came out asking us to stop stomping on the floor because we were disrupting the players/coaches meeting pregame and during half time.. AHAHAHAHAHA I wonder if that was part of the mile high magic.

Been a fan in absentia since..

Actually I was predicting a 7 win season.. thanks for not remembering.

Lonestar
09-22-2008, 11:14 PM
Well, as I have said, I am going to reserve judgment on our D for a few more weeks, because SD and NO were two of the most high flying/worst pass matchups we will face this year.

Might be a couple of more in SAN, CAR, NYJ, BUF and a couple almosts in JAX, TPA and MIA..

The way our DL gets zero pressure any one of those QB's could be on their way to the pro bowl..


time will tell..

SureShot
09-22-2008, 11:37 PM
Robertson was easy for the Jets to let go because although talented, he doesn't fit a 3-4 scheme. As far as I know Thomas has never run one, and isn't well-suited either as far as NT goes - he'd be outside in that scheme most likely.

It might help Crowder a little.


But it takes Doom and Moss off the field.

:confused:

And then you've got 4 LBs, all playing positions they've never played that way before. 3-4 looks require LBs to bring pressure, which is a reason why most 3-4 OLBs are big suckers - they have to be able to take on an OL without getting swallowed up, but also have to be fast enough to get to the QB from further behind the LOS. Our LBs aren't the right size for it - they're mostly on the small side.

I think DJ's a great LB, and you know I'd love to get Woodyard or somebody on the field.

But seriously? More 3-4 when we have essentially zero personnel ready to run it? It'd help Moss long-term probably to be in a 3-4 scheme, but he can't play LB now. He has no skills.

Just weird. :confused:

If Slowik already wants to add the 3-4 because he can't do jack with a 4-3 I'm gonna be even more concerned than I already am. Our guys already don't know what to do.

~G


Our linebackers aren't big enough to play a 3-4 base.

Buff
09-22-2008, 11:40 PM
Robertson was easy for the Jets to let go because although talented, he doesn't fit a 3-4 scheme. As far as I know Thomas has never run one, and isn't well-suited either as far as NT goes - he'd be outside in that scheme most likely.

It might help Crowder a little.

But it takes Doom and Moss off the field.

:confused:

And then you've got 4 LBs, all playing positions they've never played that way before. 3-4 looks require LBs to bring pressure, which is a reason why most 3-4 OLBs are big suckers - they have to be able to take on an OL without getting swallowed up, but also have to be fast enough to get to the QB from further behind the LOS. Our LBs aren't the right size for it - they're mostly on the small side.

I think DJ's a great LB, and you know I'd love to get Woodyard or somebody on the field.

But seriously? More 3-4 when we have essentially zero personnel ready to run it? It'd help Moss long-term probably to be in a 3-4 scheme, but he can't play LB now. He has no skills.

Just weird. :confused:

If Slowik already wants to add the 3-4 because he can't do jack with a 4-3 I'm gonna be even more concerned than I already am. Our guys already don't know what to do.

~G

Yeah, I'm going off of the brief answers Shanahan gave in the press conference video, it didn't sound so much that they're toying with a full conversion to a 3-4, rather some sort of a 3-man front pass rush package that allows more deception from the LB's. It still doesn't make a great deal of sense from a DL personnel standpoint, but I guess when your line play is so bad, you may as well try to put your most talented players on the field. In this case, it may be the LB's.

hamrob
09-22-2008, 11:55 PM
We have way too much talent on defense....we need to get them all on the field:

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/2008/09/22/look-added-to-defensive-arsenal-starting-strong/

I guess it's good to hear that they have plenty of confidence. Now with a couple less talented teams on the schedule...maybe they'll improve. The whole story about liking the 3-4 and thinkng it looked good...is darn right scary!

Bronco Yoda
09-22-2008, 11:57 PM
I'd love to see a good 3-4 D but we don't have the wide body up the middle to pull this off me thinks.

What a strange game that was. I really wanted to be furious at the D but couldn't because of the return for six, the goal line stance and the 3 & 1 stop at the end. If we just could get some sort of pressure on the QB I think our D would come around.

G_Money
09-23-2008, 12:25 AM
I fully expect us to work out some of the kinks in the D against the Chiefs. They SHOULDN'T pose any real threat in either facet - run or pass - so we can get a game in where we're not playing on our heels all the time and can attempt to get some sort of defensive continuity.

But unless we can stick with an approach, it's gonna be a rocky year. Good defensive teams always know what they're doing in a specific circumstance. Blitzing, zone, man-up, whatever. They know WHY they're doing it.

We haven't got a clue. If Slowik can just settle down and breathe a little and give his team some idea of what they should expect in certain situations, we'll be okay. When they know that so-and-so is blitzing and he knows he is just gonna go kill the QB because the-other-guy has the flat covered and the-rest-of-em know their assignments, it'll get more coherent.

But this heads off of chickens stuff is getting old fast.

We have the 60 minutes of the KC game to get it in order. After that comes Tampa Bay, which should be a good matchup for us...but then so should the Saints have been. And Griese is apparently willing to throw the ball all over the field (well, within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage anyway) and Gruden seems willing to let him.

Then J-Ville, who ALWAYS gives us fits. Then New England on a Monday night.

I'd hate to lose 3 in a row after the Chiefs because our defense was still retarded. We could technincally get to the bye week unbeaten if things fall our way, but one of those things is the defense actually following through on a scheme and having success with it.

We've had a stripped ball that shouldn't have been, a should-be-fumble of ours that wasn't, a defensive TD, a 4th-and-goal stopped at the foot line as well as a 3rd-and-one that preceeded a horrible-chipshot-miss and we still only won those games by a combined 3 points with our high-octane offense.

Maybe the Chargers and the Saints are just that good. The Chargers sure looked good tonight feasting on Favre's turnovers.

But I can say right now I would not want a rematch with either team next week. We've gotta get better.

As soon as next week, hopefully. We should be a near-lock to beat the Chiefs, I just want to see it done with some sort of style and passion on Defense, por favor.

~G

DenBronx
09-23-2008, 01:15 AM
I'd love to see a good 3-4 D but we don't have the wide body up the middle to pull this off me thinks.

What a strange game that was. I really wanted to be furious at the D but couldn't because of the return for six, the goal line stance and the 3 & 1 stop at the end. If we just could get some sort of pressure on the QB I think our D would come around.



dude, i hope you dont talk like yoda in real life too.

topscribe
09-23-2008, 01:38 AM
dude, i hope you dont talk like yoda in real life too.

HEY!! DA FONZ!! http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/throckon.gif

I hope you know you just aged yourself, DB. :D

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Lonestar
09-23-2008, 02:56 AM
Yeah, I'm going off of the brief answers Shanahan gave in the press conference video, it didn't sound so much that they're toying with a full conversion to a 3-4, rather some sort of a 3-man front pass rush package that allows more deception from the LB's. It still doesn't make a great deal of sense from a DL personnel standpoint, but I guess when your line play is so bad, you may as well try to put your most talented players on the field. In this case, it may be the LB's.


yep webster certainly is more talented than most..

If that is your thesis we are royally SCREWED..

topscribe
09-23-2008, 03:00 AM
yep webster certainly is more talented than most..

If that is your thesis we are royally SCREWED..

In fairness to Buff, he was essentially parroting the words of D.J. Williams.

Webster aside, I believe there is a lot of talent among D.J., Boss, and Winborn.
Apparently, some people in the locker room share my opinion.

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Lonestar
09-23-2008, 03:07 AM
In fairness to Buff, he was essentially parroting the words of D.J. Williams.

Webster aside, I believe there is a lot of talent among D.J., Boss, and Winborn.
Apparently, some people in the locker room share my opinion.

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perhaps they are the best athletes..But unless the mastermind is going to invent an entirely NEW 3-4.. with no NT, midgets for DE's and 2.5 WILs on the field at the same time.. With a smallish set of LBs we have almost no beef on the field.. Well I'll stand back and laugh all the way out of the playoffs.

Find a defense we can play with existing DL types..

I'm to tired right now to contemplate this fantasy world mikey is living in..

beezer
09-23-2008, 04:08 AM
I'd like more blitzing with DJ and Woodward...anyone who ban get to the QB. How many sacks if any do we have?

Is it that hard to bring in a Johnson coach clone from Philly and draft the right personell to achieve it>? We should have money and we can draft for defense next year. We need some at least mimicing the teams like
Dallas, Philly, NY.

Why didnt we go out and get Rogers and Vilma??? That would of been a huge start and then draft for impact in 09 and a couple more FA...

We CANT be as bad as we look. 3 IMPACT players would make a world of difference.

topscribe
09-23-2008, 04:35 AM
perhaps they are the best athletes..But unless the mastermind is going to invent an entirely NEW 3-4.. with no NT, midgets for DE's and 2.5 WILs on the field at the same time.. With a smallish set of LBs we have almost no beef on the field.. Well I'll stand back and laugh all the way out of the playoffs.

Find a defense we can play with existing DL types..

I'm to tired right now to contemplate this fantasy world mikey is living in..

I guess, in view of Shanny's W-L record, I can live with his fantasy world.

What you need to do is to read the interviews on this. They have been
published and are available. You will then learn that the Broncos do not
intend to switch full-time to the 3-4, but to switch off occasionally as a
surprise tactic to keep offenses off-balance.

Nonetheless, I'm kind of taken aback at your anticipation of laughing at the
Broncos' losing. Maybe I was wrong by saying you cheer when they win, JR?
Really, I don't know what to make of that. :noidea:

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Buff
09-23-2008, 07:18 AM
yep webster certainly is more talented than most..

If that is your thesis we are royally SCREWED..

It's not necessarily that Webster is that good-- but our DL is that bad. We have 7 LB's on the roster-- I think the coaching staff is open to getting pressure on the QB any way possible and right now it means experimenting with some 3-man fronts.

I'm not crazy about it, but I'm also not crazy about lining up Jarvis Moss and Ekuban on passing situations. It can't hurt to try new things.

Tned
09-23-2008, 07:32 AM
Might be a couple of more in SAN, CAR, NYJ, BUF and a couple almosts in JAX, TPA and MIA..

The way our DL gets zero pressure any one of those QB's could be on their way to the pro bowl..


time will tell..

Obviously, facing SD again was implicit in my statements, since I don't expect their offense to die all of a sudden (see the MNF game). As to Car, NYJ and Buff, they are not the same types of offenses/QBs as SD and NO. Of those three, only Buff has scored more points than given up, and Car and NYJ have not scored many points.

Broncos tried running a 3-4 in this game, and it didn't look very effective to me, so it will be interesting to see if the broncos D tries that again.

Lonestar
09-23-2008, 11:10 AM
Obviously, facing SD again was implicit in my statements, since I don't expect their offense to die all of a sudden (see the MNF game). As to Car, NYJ and Buff, they are not the same types of offenses/QBs as SD and NO. Of those three, only Buff has scored more points than given up, and Car and NYJ have not scored many points.

Broncos tried running a 3-4 in this game, and it didn't look very effective to me, so it will be interesting to see if the broncos D tries that again.

Unless we find a magic button this defense is not going anywhere this year with the personnel we have with it..

we thought we hit the mother lode with Robertson, only to find out Thomas is not quite what he was supposed to be YET.. even if he comes on like gang busters the two of them are going to be worn out by game 9 or 10 with the minutes they are seeing per game..

Our best DE is a guy with a motor, two of them are rotating on and off inactive squad our #1 and #2 picks last year..

Our MLB is lousy at best and the guy we brought into be the man can;t beat a hack out.. while Champ and Bly are or have been pretty great to good CB given the amount of time the DLINE has allowed. No wonder they have been burnt, our safeties are a joke and were cut from their last teams because they were replaced mid year last year by rookies IIRC..

the above is an indictment of just how bad this teams defense really is.. we thought we had a scheme in place since the bye last year only to find it is being scrapped for a hybrid 3-4 with undersized everyone at all positions other than the all pro corner back Champ..

Yeah lets put the best 11 athletes on the defense on the field all the time no matter if they can play. Sounds like sandlot football to me.. "Hey champ you take the hot guy and the rest of us will take who ever we can.. Bly you line up and the LOS and blitz and we will have Robertson drop back and cover LT. lets put moss on gates etc"

NYJ are just finding out who Farve is and his WR are going to take a couple of games to get to know each other.. I have no doubt they we come together during the DEN game and get boocou yards on us..

CAR is a damned fine teams and will cause us fits..

Buffalo is going to be a good game our O against their D and their offense is not bad either..

SAN IMO is going to take us apart in SAN, they are pissed about losing in DEN especially on a bad call.. They did whoop our ass last year twice, and while they have lost merriman by then they will have made adjustments.. We will score on them but unlikely we will win that one without lots of injuries on their team..

Lots of folks on here think we can breeze through and out score everyone and we will win a few we should not (SAN and NOL) as prime examples but some of the other teams will also win a few they probably should not..

Bronco Yoda
09-23-2008, 11:29 AM
dude, i hope you dont talk like yoda in real life too.

hey Fonz... I jumped the shark long ago...:laugh:


errr...
jumped the shark, long ago I did :lol:

dbfan4life
09-23-2008, 11:57 AM
The thing with the 3-4 is that you're not supposed to just rush three guys at the QB. With 4 standing LB's, you're supposed to send one or two in addition to the three DLineman from different positions as to keep the Oline guessing. That what is supposed to make it effective. We weren't doing that a lot on Sunday as I saw a three man rush almost every time.

Lonestar
09-23-2008, 12:02 PM
The thing with the 3-4 is that you're not supposed to just rush three guys at the QB. With 4 standing LB's, you're supposed to send one or two in addition to the three DLineman from different positions as to keep the Oline guessing. That what is supposed to make it effective. We weren't doing that a lot on Sunday as I saw a three man rush almost every time.



DING DING DING we have a wiener here..

But you have to remember the mastermind is going to create a hybrid 3-4 which now looks like it is just a 3 man rush no major guessing games for the offense on this is there..

He is playing head games with them trying to keep them off balance ahahahahaha

topscribe
09-23-2008, 12:05 PM
Obviously, facing SD again was implicit in my statements, since I don't expect their offense to die all of a sudden (see the MNF game). As to Car, NYJ and Buff, they are not the same types of offenses/QBs as SD and NO. Of those three, only Buff has scored more points than given up, and Car and NYJ have not scored many points.

Broncos tried running a 3-4 in this game, and it didn't look very effective to me, so it will be interesting to see if the broncos D tries that again.

In his presser, Shanny indicated they will be switching off to the 3-4 as a
surprise factor, but the implication was that they don't plan to do it full time.

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Lonestar
09-23-2008, 12:11 PM
In his presser, Shanny indicated they will be switching off to the 3-4 as a
surprise factor, but the implication was that they don't plan to do it full time.

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some surprise rush three only and allow the QB till tuesday to pass the ball.. :laugh::laugh:

dbfan4life
09-23-2008, 12:22 PM
In his presser, Shanny indicated they will be switching off to the 3-4 as a
surprise factor, but the implication was that they don't plan to do it full time.

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What's the suprise? Hey! Look at us! We're only rushing three guys at you! Whatcha gonna do now? Oh, by the way.....SUPRISE!!!

Bronco Yoda
09-23-2008, 12:26 PM
We're bringing back the 2-5 this week. SURPRISE!

remember that little jewel...

topscribe
09-23-2008, 12:49 PM
some surprise rush three only and allow the QB till tuesday to pass the ball.. :laugh::laugh:


What's the suprise? Hey! Look at us! We're only rushing three guys at you! Whatcha gonna do now? Oh, by the way.....SUPRISE!!!

The idea is not just to rush three but to rush one or two others who are not
among that three. The concept is that the offense does not know who is
coming or from where, as opposed to a four-man front, where the offense
knows where the rush is coming from. There is much more uncertainty to an
effective 3-4.

As Shanny noted, it didn't work out too well this last game, but it was the
first time for it in this defense. He implied they are going to work on it more,
but it is not going to be their base defense. I suspect it will become more
effective as the players get more used to it, provided they use it only as a
change of pace defense.

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Lonestar
09-23-2008, 01:39 PM
The idea is not just to rush three but to rush one or two others who are not
among that three. The concept is that the offense does not know who is
coming or from where, as opposed to a four-man front, where the offense
knows where the rush is coming from. There is much more uncertainty to an
effective 3-4.

As Shanny noted, it didn't work out too well this last game, but it was the
first time for it in this defense. He implied they are going to work on it more,
but it is not going to be their base defense. I suspect it will become more
effective as the players get more used to it, provided they use it only as a
change of pace defense.

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Top I love ya brother if for no other reason your an eternal optimist.

But please do not bet money on this..

He can have 8 on the LOS and rush 3 from any position, as long as they are as pathetic as last week all it does is insure slowiks tar and feather party near the end of the season..

They are preparing the rail as we speak.. and the chickens are on order..

topscribe
09-23-2008, 01:56 PM
Top I love ya brother if for no other reason your an eternal optimist.

But please do not bet money on this..

He can have 8 on the LOS and rush 3 from any position, as long as they are as pathetic as last week all it does is insure slowiks tar and feather party near the end of the season..

They are preparing the rail as we speak.. and the chickens are on order..

You might notice I didn't say whether it was good or bad.

I only reported what they were trying to do.

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hamrob
09-23-2008, 04:25 PM
Unless we find a magic button this defense is not going anywhere this year with the personnel we have with it..

we thought we hit the mother lode with Robertson, only to find out Thomas is not quite what he was supposed to be YET.. even if he comes on like gang busters the two of them are going to be worn out by game 9 or 10 with the minutes they are seeing per game..

Our best DE is a guy with a motor, two of them are rotating on and off inactive squad our #1 and #2 picks last year..

Our MLB is lousy at best and the guy we brought into be the man can;t beat a hack out.. while Champ and Bly are or have been pretty great to good CB given the amount of time the DLINE has allowed. No wonder they have been burnt, our safeties are a joke and were cut from their last teams because they were replaced mid year last year by rookies IIRC..

the above is an indictment of just how bad this teams defense really is.. we thought we had a scheme in place since the bye last year only to find it is being scrapped for a hybrid 3-4 with undersized everyone at all positions other than the all pro corner back Champ..

Yeah lets put the best 11 athletes on the defense on the field all the time no matter if they can play. Sounds like sandlot football to me.. "Hey champ you take the hot guy and the rest of us will take who ever we can.. Bly you line up and the LOS and blitz and we will have Robertson drop back and cover LT. lets put moss on gates etc"

NYJ are just finding out who Farve is and his WR are going to take a couple of games to get to know each other.. I have no doubt they we come together during the DEN game and get boocou yards on us..

CAR is a damned fine teams and will cause us fits..

Buffalo is going to be a good game our O against their D and their offense is not bad either..

SAN IMO is going to take us apart in SAN, they are pissed about losing in DEN especially on a bad call.. They did whoop our ass last year twice, and while they have lost merriman by then they will have made adjustments.. We will score on them but unlikely we will win that one without lots of injuries on their team..

Lots of folks on here think we can breeze through and out score everyone and we will win a few we should not (SAN and NOL) as prime examples but some of the other teams will also win a few they probably should not..Good post. I agree with much of what you say. However, I think you are over looking a few key items

1. Over the next 10-weeks...provided our Offense plays well...there isn't anyone that will keep us under 30 points. The key to this...is stopping the run. If teams are able to continually mount long drives that eat up the clock and win the Time of Possession...then it will be more difficult...but looking at that schedule, I just don't see anyone in the next 10 weeks stopping our offense.

2. N.O. and San Diego are two of the best Offenses in the NFL...right there with our offense. Again, looking at our schedule over the next 10 games...I don't see anyone with an Offense in there category. Therefore...our defense will play better...if not for any other reason...they're just not going to be up against the caliber or level of talent that N.O. and San Diego possess. I think that we have to believe that they will play better against less talented offenses and the result will be increased confidence in themselves as a unit.

I agree that Car, Buff & San Diego provide us with our biggest challenges...but by the time we enter those games. We should be 10-3...maybe 11-2...13-0? How much confidence will we have then? And, at that point, even if we drop two of those games...we should finish up 12-4, 13-3 or better.

Sure there are some games in there that will be tough (TB, Jax, NE, Jets, Clvd)...but as things stand now...I like our chances and I sure wouldn't bet against us in those games.

So Jr., if you were betting, what are the games you think we will lose? Not the ones we could lose...but which ones do you really think we will lose?

lostknight
09-23-2008, 06:36 PM
Am I the only one that loves what Denver is prepping to do here?

Here is the blunt reality - our (S) corp is ravaged right now, and we have a nickel corner of questionable ability. Adopting more of a 3-4 arrangement boosts our ability to stop the run, and in the future will help us cover the middle of the field - where we have some significant issues right now.

So rather then viewing this as a condemnation of our players - I view it more as a mechanism to get up and comers more involved sooner. You all seem to want to crucify Shanahan here for being O led, but while it is true that defense wins Superbowls, offense wins dynasties. We could go out and draft nothing but defensive players next year, and we would be okay.

Last year both the O-Line and the D-Line were disasters. This year, it looks like just the O-Line is problematic. That's a improvement. That improvement has paid off in spades offensively so far. With the offensive depth - Cutler, Marshall, Royal, Stokley, and Tony S, we should be okay with anything other then a season ending injury to Cutler. That means that we just need to get the defense to give up one less touchdown a game to go from nail-bitting to AFC domination.

I think that is doable.

NightTrainLayne
09-23-2008, 07:35 PM
Am I the only one that loves what Denver is prepping to do here?

Here is the blunt reality - our (S) corp is ravaged right now, and we have a nickel corner of questionable ability. Adopting more of a 3-4 arrangement boosts our ability to stop the run, and in the future will help us cover the middle of the field - where we have some significant issues right now.

So rather then viewing this as a condemnation of our players - I view it more as a mechanism to get up and comers more involved sooner. You all seem to want to crucify Shanahan here for being O led, but while it is true that defense wins Superbowls, offense wins dynasties. We could go out and draft nothing but defensive players next year, and we would be okay.

Last year both the O-Line and the D-Line were disasters. This year, it looks like just the O-Line is problematic. That's a improvement. That improvement has paid off in spades offensively so far. With the offensive depth - Cutler, Marshall, Royal, Stokley, and Tony S, we should be okay with anything other then a season ending injury to Cutler. That means that we just need to get the defense to give up one less touchdown a game to go from nail-bitting to AFC domination.

I think that is doable.

Nice first post. Welcome to the boards.

BTW, I think you meant to say that the D-line is problematic. ;)

Bronco9798
09-23-2008, 07:40 PM
We've been waiting for improvement for several years now. Once the front four gets better at doing something, we'll get better. It all starts up front. I'm still waiting to see some pressure against a good team. It has to start up front.

Acedude
09-23-2008, 08:13 PM
BTW, I write too much.

Thank God I got a job.

~G

Nah, you have good points about sticking with one scheme. But I don't think the D personnel are good enough to play any scheme succesfully.

Lonestar
09-23-2008, 10:19 PM
We've been waiting for improvement for several years now. Once the front four gets better at doing something, we'll get better. It all starts up front. I'm still waiting to see some pressure against a good team. It has to start up front.

for awhile during TC and all of the glowing reports I thought we had turned the corner..

But I see it was all just hype now..

I honestly do not think we have the horses to improve enough on the DL.. a couple of solid to potentially solid guys @ DT journeymen at best at DE and a couple of to small DE that are as best as anyone can tell not good enough to play OLB in a 3-4..

Now maybe they are mostly OK but the DC has his head up his rectum.. either way we seem to have serious issues with the D this year and as it stand very little chance at shoring it up..

Maybe in the draft 09 and FA we can pick up a couple of impact guys that will turn this around but until we do or we get a real DC in here that Mikey can't screw with, I'm beginning to wonder if we can get more the one and done in the playoffs in 09-10..

Offense is wonderful but if they can't get on the field enough to maintain a rythm not sure how much they can do..

hamrob
09-23-2008, 10:25 PM
for awhile during TC and all of the glowing reports I thought we had turned the corner..

But I see it was all just hype now..

I honestly do not think we have the horses to improve enough on the DL.. a couple of solid to potentially solid guys @ DT journeymen at best at DE and a couple of to small DE that are as best as anyone can tell not good enough to play OLB in a 3-4..

Now maybe they are mostly OK but the DC has his head up his rectum.. either way we seem to have serious issues with the D this year and as it stand very little chance at shoring it up..

Maybe in the draft 09 and FA we can pick up a couple of impact guys that will turn this around but until we do or we get a real DC in here that Mikey can't screw with, I'm beginning to wonder if we can get more the one and done in the playoffs in 09-10..

Offense is wonderful but if they can't get on the field enough to maintain a rythm not sure how much they can do..Come on man...you are really too far out there with your pesemisim. I mean...We're going to the playoffs this year and we'll most likely win a game or two this year.

In 09/10 with a good draft (defensive) and couple key FA additions...we're in the mix for the big dance. Heck...were in the dance this year.

Take a deep breath...and look around the AFC....do any of these teams really scare you (maybe the bolts)? Come on. Be Honest.

Sure, the NFC EAST seems to be a different story....but us getting to the dance this year (despite our poor D) is not our of the question.

Lonestar
09-23-2008, 10:27 PM
Come on man...you are really too far out there with your pesemisim. I mean...We're going to the playoffs this year and we'll most likely win a game or two this year.

In 09/10 with a good draft (defensive) and couple key FA additions...we're in the mix for the big dance. Heck...were in the dance this year.

Take a deep breath...and look around the AFC....do any of these teams really scare you? Come on. Be Honest.

Sure, the NFC EAST seems to be a different story....but us getting to the danced this year (despite our poor D) is not our of the question.

we will have to agree to disagree in whether we get danced or not..

hamrob
09-23-2008, 10:28 PM
Just one other comment here. When Elway took us to those first three Super Bowls...we had very little Defense. He packed us on his shoulders and went the distance.

I'm not saying that JC has to do the same...but with our offense...there's a better than average chance that we could get to the big show this year...with an average at best defense.

Lonestar
09-23-2008, 10:38 PM
Just one other comment here. When Elway took us to those first three Super Bowls...we had very little Defense. He packed us on his shoulders and went the distance.

I'm not saying that JC has to do the same...but with our offense...there's a better than average chance that we could get to the big show this year...with an average at best defense.

your correct and we got our asses handed to us each year..

It takes more than an offense to get through the playoffs..

frankly I'd rather not go than get beat 55-7 or so.. rather wait till next year and pickup some talent to help support the O..

Bronco Yoda
09-24-2008, 12:48 AM
At least we've been able to experiment on D without it ultimately costing us yet.