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PAINTERDAVE
01-28-2011, 11:59 AM
The day after the season ended, Kyle Orton celebrated by leasing a private jet and flying the Broncos' offensive linemen and Brady Quinn to Las Vegas. Tim Tebow was not invited. Vegas is not his kind of place, anyway. Orton may have been rewarding his line (for what?) or trying to curry favor. Won't work. Once he is judged, Orton will be found wanting — and be traded. Quinn should hang around as a reserve for one more season. Tebow can invite the line to the next Pro Bowl.

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_17223372

NightTrainLayne
01-28-2011, 12:03 PM
Wow. That is pretty damning.

What the heck was Orton "celebrating" anyways?

vandammage13
01-28-2011, 12:05 PM
The day after the season ended, Kyle Orton celebrated by leasing a private jet and flying the Broncos' offensive linemen and Brady Quinn to Las Vegas. Tim Tebow was not invited. Vegas is not his kind of place, anyway. Orton may have been rewarding his line (for what?) or trying to curry favor. Won't work. Once he is judged, Orton will be found wanting — and be traded. Quinn should hang around as a reserve for one more season. Tebow can invite the line to the next Pro Bowl.

Definitely interesting, but in a rare defense of Orton (from me anyway), I'm sure he knew that Tim would decline to go on a trip like that because we all know the type of things those guys were probably doing on that trip. Tim wouldn't have had a good time and probably would have been a buzz kill on a trip like that.

So I'm not gonna crucify Orton for it. I do like the last sentence though.

dogfish
01-28-2011, 12:05 PM
oh well. . .


this isn't high school, i don't care that much what the cliques are after the season. . . orton isn't obligated to take tim on vacation. . . dude will be judged (and yes, probably traded if the option is available) on his merits as a football player. . .

tim can pay for his own trip to vegas if he wants to go. . .

vandammage13
01-28-2011, 12:07 PM
Wow. That is pretty damning.

What the heck was Orton "celebrating" anyways?

He was celebrating robbing the Broncos out of a 1 year extension in exchange for his mediocre services.

WTE
01-28-2011, 12:10 PM
He should have invited Tebow.

There's a lot of good churches in Vegas.

BroncoJoe
01-28-2011, 12:11 PM
Just because you don't think he'll come isn't a excuse to not invite him.

The OL and Brady Quinn and not Tebow? Reeks of something typically found in a dump.

BroncoNut
01-28-2011, 12:20 PM
kindan shitty I think. but tim would not have wanted to go, but stilllllllllllllllllllll

underrated29
01-28-2011, 12:23 PM
why would tim have not wanted to go.



has anyone ever been the designated driver before? have any of you not wanted to go to the party? Just because Tim is not going to drink does not mean he would not have fun or be interested... At least that is how I look at it.



But really its up to Orton, i do not see anything wrong with what he did by not inviting him. It is not like Tim asked to go and Orton said no, he just did not invite him. No harm no foul.

hotcarl
01-28-2011, 12:32 PM
who cares

honz
01-28-2011, 12:34 PM
OMFG! Are you serious right now! I gotta call my besties real quick and tell them about this, like hold on just a minute, okay!?

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 12:37 PM
This isn't a big deal, but it also just reinforces my opinion of Orton. He's a douche bag. Oh well, soon enough he'll be the douche bag annoying a different fanbase.

dogfish
01-28-2011, 12:39 PM
This isn't a big deal, but it also just reinforces my opinion of Orton. He's a douche bag. Oh well, soon enough he'll be the douche bag annoying a different fanbase.

i bet neckbeard isn't boring in vegas, baby. . .


boosh!

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 12:57 PM
You can tell Orton is an example of the McDaniels regime: a lot of talk about team but in the end, he was really about himself.

People were naive when they heard about all this "team first" stuff and believed it.

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 01:09 PM
i bet neckbeard isn't boring in vegas, baby. . .


boosh!

That dullard could make a porno convention boring. Have you heard him speak? His voice is a cure for insomnia.

honz
01-28-2011, 01:11 PM
http://www.bustedcoverage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kyle_orton_passed_out.jpg

Juriga72
01-28-2011, 01:18 PM
I will hold all comments about this untill I see the MRI results....

BroncoNut
01-28-2011, 01:19 PM
when are they planning to go to vegas?

BroncoNut
01-28-2011, 01:20 PM
I bet Brady Quinn and Eric Olson painted the town red

JaxBroncoGirl
01-28-2011, 01:25 PM
Still very rude on Orton's part. He is a high school wussy. Of course Tim might not have gone but you still invite the guy because Tim is apart of the offense. It was childish and it will come back to bite him. You can only wine and dine the OL and other hand picked players but it is the FO you must keep happy. What Orton did is try to divide the team and that is not going to work.

If the team says ok Orton we are going to trade you are those same players going to want to go with him? Orton might think so but it is not going to happen. Grow up.

SR
01-28-2011, 01:28 PM
He should have invited Tebow.

There's a lot of good churches in Vegas.

...that probably serve Long Island iced teas during the services.

nevcraw
01-28-2011, 01:40 PM
Was Hillis there?

BroncoJoe
01-28-2011, 01:42 PM
Similar to Cutler, I liked Orton until I had a chance to read stuff like this about him.

Dirtbag.

Juriga72
01-28-2011, 01:50 PM
Orton should have also invited Colquitt for wearing out his leg this year....as a thank you

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 01:59 PM
The day after the season ended, Kyle Orton celebrated by leasing a private jet and flying the Broncos' offensive linemen and Brady Quinn to Las Vegas. Tim Tebow was not invited. Vegas is not his kind of place, anyway. Orton may have been rewarding his line (for what?) or trying to curry favor. Won't work. Once he is judged, Orton will be found wanting — and be traded. Quinn should hang around as a reserve for one more season. Tebow can invite the line to the next Pro Bowl.

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_17223372

How stupid.
I read the entire article, and Vickerson was one of if not THE FA pickup on the year.
Bannon/JWilliams/Vickerson/MThomas are all keepers, imo.
And I've yet to see where they've made the decision to go 43, so again, woody is stepping all over his tongue.
Plus, I think everybody prolly knows TT would've (DID?) turn Vegas down.

JDL
01-28-2011, 02:04 PM
Tim Tebow was not invited.

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_17223372

Does this say one way or another whether Orton inquired? It doesn't attribute a quote to him. Yet, you state the title of the thread exactly that way. It is possible that Tebow was not interested (given his strong religious ties) or maybe they really just don't like each other and who knows the genesis of that... but you know what garbage like this from Paige does? makes it harder to trade Orton. Paige is and always has been a blowhard who thinks he knows best even when he does things to hurt the franchise he's supposed to be covering... I'm no McD apologist but from the very start he had his feelings hurt by the guy and did everything he could in the community to undermine him. Paige's motivations simply cannot be trusted.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:08 PM
I'm sick of all our QB talk. We have a more talked about QB unit than ever right now, and not one of them is even a top 20 QB in the NFL. How sad is that!

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:11 PM
I'm sick of all our QB talk. We have a more talked about QB unit than ever right now, and not one of them is even a top 20 QB in the NFL. How sad is that!

Dont click the thread.

GEM
01-28-2011, 02:12 PM
Sour grapes sucks.

KCL
01-28-2011, 02:15 PM
Damn Orton can't shit w/o someone writing an article about it...:D

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:15 PM
Dont click the thread.

Anything to add tension to these sorry arguments of contineously trying to tear down Kyle Orton, who has been nothing but a model citizen for the community of Denver, I'm all for.

honz
01-28-2011, 02:15 PM
I hope Tebow can make it through this okay.

honz
01-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Damn Orton can't shit w/o someone writing an article about it...:D
Or do a charitable thing like giving blood!

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:20 PM
Anything to add tension to these sorry arguments of contineously trying to tear down Kyle Orton, who has been nothing but a model citizen for the community of Denver, I'm all for.

Newsflash: Orton has been far from a model citizen. This is just another example.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:22 PM
Newsflash: Orton has been far from a model citizen. This is just another example.

Yes. Tearing down Tim "God" Tebow is completely unacceptable. After all, he gives mission trips and inspiration to the wonderful children of the Phillipines! We might not have a top 20 QB starting for us, but apparently we do have God, and that's exactly what this community was missing.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:24 PM
Yes. Tearing down Tim "God" Tebow is completely unacceptable. After all, he gives mission trips and inspiration to the wonderful children of the Phillipines! We might not have a top 20 QB starting for us, but apparently we do have God.

What does any of that have to do with Orton?

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:24 PM
What does any of that have to do with Orton?

He's not Tim Tebow.....duh.

BroncoNut
01-28-2011, 02:24 PM
oh for crying out loud. This has gotten completely out of hand.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:27 PM
He's not Tim Tebow.....duh.

Gem said it. This is about Orton and his sour grapes. Its not really even about Tebow. It's about Orton's bitterness, jealousy,...whatever.

Orton has been perpetrating a fraud.

weazel
01-28-2011, 02:29 PM
The day after the season ended, Kyle Orton celebrated by leasing a private jet and flying the Broncos' offensive linemen and Brady Quinn to Las Vegas. Tim Tebow was not invited. Vegas is not his kind of place, anyway. Orton may have been rewarding his line (for what?) or trying to curry favor. Won't work. Once he is judged, Orton will be found wanting — and be traded. Quinn should hang around as a reserve for one more season. Tebow can invite the line to the next Pro Bowl.

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_17223372

why would he want to bring a buzz kill like Tebow to Vegas? I think he made the right decision

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:29 PM
Gem said it. This is about Orton and his sour grapes. Its not really even about Tebow. It's about Orton's bitterness, jealousy,...whatever.

Orton has been perpetrating a fraud.

Tebow's name is in the title. Orton is a product of the boy wonder Josh McDaniels. So is Tim Tebow. Where is Andrew Luck when we need a top 20 QB?

BORDERLINE
01-28-2011, 02:30 PM
these kind of articles let's you know we are far from the start of the new season

BroncoWave
01-28-2011, 02:32 PM
Tebow's name is in the title. Orton is a product of the boy wonder Josh McDaniels. So is Tim Tebow. Where is Andrew Luck when we need a top 20 QB?

Geez, sorry Tim Tebow couldn't be a top 20 QB after 3 starts.

Glad our fanbase has such realistic expectations for him. Don't give him a whole season to reach that level or anything.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:34 PM
Geez, sorry Tim Tebow couldn't be a top 20 QB after 3 starts.

Glad our fanbase has such realistic expectations for him. Don't give him a whole season to reach that level or anything.

Congratulations on completely missing the point about overblown hype in one of the areas we aren't even good at.

But hey, when your organization is as shitty as our beloved Denver Broncos, that tends to happen.

Cugel
01-28-2011, 02:34 PM
You people are all wrong. It's NORMAL for QBs to treat their OLs to various things, both during and AFTER the season.

Some guys take their OL to the pro-bowl. Some, like Elway used to take them out to steak dinners, etc.

Now, in all this WHAT NFL QB takes the backup QB out to dinner?

NOBODY does that! NOBODY! It's NOT a slight on Tebow, it's simply that Orton is acknowledging his OL because they blocked for him all season and kept him out of the hospital.

That's all there is to this. I doubt there's ONE NFL QB who takes the other QBs on his team out to dinner, let alone to Vegas.

If you bothered to ask the simple question: "is it normal for a QB to take his OL and NOT the backup QBs out for a dinner?" you would immediately realize this is a total NON-EVENT. :coffee:

The Glue Factory
01-28-2011, 02:35 PM
Damn Orton can't shit w/o someone writing an article about it...:D

Welcome to being a QB in Denver. :D

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:35 PM
Tebow's name is in the title. Orton is a product of the boy wonder Josh McDaniels. So is Tim Tebow. Where is Andrew Luck when we need a top 20 QB?

Now you're really trying hard to make something up and make it fit.


Lets break this down. "Orton to Tebow". Someone is doing something to someone. Guess who is the doer? Its about something Orton did.

If you were to construct the following sentence: Orton didn't invite Tebow. Guess who the subject of the sentence is? I'll give you a hint. It's not Tebow.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:38 PM
Congratulations on completely missing the point about overblown hype in one of the areas we aren't even good at.

But hey, when your organization is as shitty as our beloved Denver Broncos, that tends to happen.

Don't click the thread.

BroncoWave
01-28-2011, 02:38 PM
Congratulations on completely missing the point about overblown hype in one of the areas we aren't even good at.

Do you follow football? When there are 2 different QBs that different factions of the fanbase likes, that it always the hottest conversation, regardless of how good or bad they are. If you find the topic so annoying start a thread on something else.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:39 PM
Now you're really trying hard to make something up and make it fit.


Lets break this down. "Orton to Tebow". Someone is doing something to someone. Guess who is the doer? Its about something Orton did.

If you were to construct the following sentence: Orton didn't invite Tebow. Guess who the subject of the sentence is? I'll give you a hint. It's not Tebow.

Anyone that knows anything about flow to this place, can see where this thread was going. Kyle Orton vs. Tim Tebow. It doesn't take a high school diploma to figure that out.

And LMAO at you guys crying like a bunch of sophomore high schoolers about Kyle Orton not inviting Tim Tebow on vaction with him and his oline.

"OMG. She didn't even invite her to the mall. OMG"

BroncoWave
01-28-2011, 02:39 PM
You people are all wrong. It's NORMAL for QBs to treat their OLs to various things, both during and AFTER the season.

Some guys take their OL to the pro-bowl. Some, like Elway used to take them out to steak dinners, etc.

Now, in all this WHAT NFL QB takes the backup QB out to dinner?

NOBODY does that! NOBODY! It's NOT a slight on Tebow, it's simply that Orton is acknowledging his OL because they blocked for him all season and kept him out of the hospital.

That's all there is to this. I doubt there's ONE NFL QB who takes the other QBs on his team out to dinner, let alone to Vegas.

If you bothered to ask the simple question: "is it normal for a QB to take his OL and NOT the backup QBs out for a dinner?" you would immediately realize this is a total NON-EVENT. :coffee:

He took Brady Quinn. I guess you missed that part.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:41 PM
Do you follow football? When there are 2 different QBs that different factions of the fanbase likes, that it always the hottest conversation, regardless of how good or bad they are. If you find the topic so annoying start a thread on something else.

"When I see a thread that's absurdly covered with as much bullshit as a thread like this, I'm going to call it out."

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:42 PM
Don't click the thread.

PLease quit trolling this thread and stay on topic. The topic is, "fans butthurt over Tebow's invitationless trip to Las Vegas with Kyle Orton and his oline".

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:43 PM
Anyone that knows anything about flow to this place, can see where this thread was going. Kyle Orton vs. Tim Tebow. It doesn't take a high school diploma to figure that out.And LMAO at you guys crying like a bunch of sophomore high schoolers about Kyle Orton not inviting Tim Tebow on vaction with him and his oline.

"OMG. She didn't even invite her to the mall. OMG"

Do you have a high school diploma?

You're the one who is trying to turn it into that. But its kind of a moot point because the fan base is overwhelmingly in Tebow's corner. There's really no point in going there. I guess it takes an associates degree to see that.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:44 PM
PLease quit trolling this thread and stay on topic. The topic is, "fans butthurt over Tebow's invitationless trip to Las Vegas with Kyle Orton and his oline".

You're the one who is deviating from the topic. You're trying to make it about Tebow. As I've pointed out to you, it's about Orton.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:46 PM
Do you have a high school diploma?

You're the one who is trying to turn it into that. But its kind of a moot point because the fan base is overwhelmingly in Tebow's corner. There's really no point in going there. I guess it takes an associates degree to see that.

I would assume an associate's degree is what it would take to partake in a thread like "fans butthurt that Orton doesn't invite Tebow on vacation".

Welcome to the club.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:48 PM
You're the one who is deviating from the topic. You're trying to make it about Tebow. As I've pointed out to you, it's about Orton.

Tebow is in the title. "Don't click this thread" isn't. Forget associate's degree, do you even have a high school education?

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:49 PM
I would assume an associate's degree is what it would take to partake in a thread like "fans butthurt that Orton doesn't invite Tebow on vacation".

Welcome to the club.

I don't know what it would take. But most people are smart enough to know this thread topic is about something Orton did. You're the only one so far who has a hard time grasping that and keeps trying to make it about something else.

KCL
01-28-2011, 02:49 PM
Newsflash: Orton has been far from a model citizen. This is just another example.

Compared to some of the players in the NFL...I'd say Orton is pretty
clean cut.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:50 PM
Tebow is in the title. "Don't click this thread" isn't. Forget associate's degree, do you even have a high school education?

Stop trolling. You're not even on topic and haven't been in this thread.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't know what it would take. But most people are smart enough to know this thread topic is about something Orton did. You're the only one so far who has a hard time grasping that and keeps trying to make it about something else.

Yes, his thread is about Orton not inviting Tebow on vacation with him. Are you now seeing how high school that is?

What's next, "Orton doesn't invite Tebow to dinner with him and his wife"?

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:52 PM
Yes, his thread is about Orton not inviting Tebow on vacation with him. Are you now seeing how high school that is?

What's next, "Orton doesn't invite Tebow to dinner with him and his wife"?


It doesn't matter. That's not what this thread is about.

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:53 PM
Stop trolling. You're not even on topic and haven't been in this thread.

I know. I have now sunk down to your level. See what Tim Tebow makes us do?

KCL
01-28-2011, 02:54 PM
:doh:

silkamilkamonico
01-28-2011, 02:54 PM
It doesn't matter. That's not what this thread is about.

Not yet anyways! I figure we have time, because Orton will probably be a Denver Bronco for at least a couple more weeks anyways.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 02:55 PM
I know. I have now sunk down to your level. See what Tim Tebow makes us do?

Don't blame Tebow for your problems. This wasn't even about Tebow. It's about Orton.

vandammage13
01-28-2011, 02:58 PM
You people are all wrong. It's NORMAL for QBs to treat their OLs to various things, both during and AFTER the season.

Some guys take their OL to the pro-bowl. Some, like Elway used to take them out to steak dinners, etc.

Now, in all this WHAT NFL QB takes the backup QB out to dinner?

NOBODY does that! NOBODY! It's NOT a slight on Tebow, it's simply that Orton is acknowledging his OL because they blocked for him all season and kept him out of the hospital.

That's all there is to this. I doubt there's ONE NFL QB who takes the other QBs on his team out to dinner, let alone to Vegas.

If you bothered to ask the simple question: "is it normal for a QB to take his OL and NOT the backup QBs out for a dinner?" you would immediately realize this is a total NON-EVENT. :coffee:

Then why did he take Quinn?

camdisco24
01-28-2011, 03:23 PM
Its not an official BF thread until silkamilkamonico starts an argument about Tebow and/or the topic of the thread....

topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:28 PM
Once again, we have a lot of judgment without all the facts . . .

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chazoe60
01-28-2011, 03:35 PM
I don't despise Kyle Orton being our QB because of who he does or does not invite on vacation with him. I despise him as our QB because he sucks at it.

The QB (on the Broncos roster) that gives us the best chance to win is in Arizona working his ass off while the QB who gives us the best chance to remain pitiful is partying down in Vegas.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:37 PM
I don't despise Kyle Orton being our QB because of who he does or does not invite on vacation with him. I despise him as our QB because he sucks at it.

The QB (on the Broncos roster) that gives us the best chance to win is in Arizona working his ass off while the QB who gives us the best chance to remain pitiful is partying down in Vegas.

So then, what you are saying is that a QB shouldn't have any relaxation time during the offseason?

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chazoe60
01-28-2011, 03:39 PM
So then, what you are saying is that a QB shouldn't have any relaxation time during the offseason?

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Didn't say that at all. I was merely pointing out where the respective players are at.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:40 PM
Didn't say that at all. I was merely pointing out where the respective players are at.

So if I'm working while my colleague takes a vacation, and then he's working
while I take one, who is the more dedicated?

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chazoe60
01-28-2011, 03:43 PM
So if I'm working while my colleague takes a vacation, and then he's working
while I take one, who is the more dedicated?

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Let's just look at Tebow and then look at Orton. Or look at pictures of each that come up on searches and you tell me which guy is more dedicated. It's not close.

Maybe if Orton did a little more working out he wouldn't get hurt every year. Just saying

GEM
01-28-2011, 03:44 PM
Tebow's name is in the title. Orton is a product of the boy wonder Josh McDaniels. So is Tim Tebow. Where is Andrew Luck when we need a top 20 QB?

Still at Stanford. :coffee:


:D

GEM
01-28-2011, 03:45 PM
You people are all wrong. It's NORMAL for QBs to treat their OLs to various things, both during and AFTER the season.

Some guys take their OL to the pro-bowl. Some, like Elway used to take them out to steak dinners, etc.

Now, in all this WHAT NFL QB takes the backup QB out to dinner?

NOBODY does that! NOBODY! It's NOT a slight on Tebow, it's simply that Orton is acknowledging his OL because they blocked for him all season and kept him out of the hospital.

That's all there is to this. I doubt there's ONE NFL QB who takes the other QBs on his team out to dinner, let alone to Vegas.

If you bothered to ask the simple question: "is it normal for a QB to take his OL and NOT the backup QBs out for a dinner?" you would immediately realize this is a total NON-EVENT. :coffee:

He took Quinn with him...

The invitation said "Thanks for knowing your place, pretty boy."

KCL
01-28-2011, 03:45 PM
Didn't say that at all. I was merely pointing out where the respective players are at.

In Hawaii???.....:beer:

topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:47 PM
Let's just look at Tebow and then look at Orton. Or look at pictures of each that come up on searches and you tell me which guy is more dedicated. It's not close.

Maybe if Orton did a little more working out he wouldn't get hurt every year. Just saying

Pictures on searches? :lol:

Who posts those pictures, generally? Never mind. Rhetorical question.

We all know the answer to that . . .

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topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:48 PM
He took Quinn with him...

The invitation said "Thanks for knowing your place, pretty boy."

:lol:

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chazoe60
01-28-2011, 03:50 PM
Pictures on searches? :lol:

Who posts those pictures, generally? Never mind. Rhetorical question.

We all know the answer to that . . .

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Here is what comes up when you look under google images for Kyle Orton
http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=kyle+orton&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1344&bih=901

Here is what comes up when you look up Tim Tebow
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1344&bih=901&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tim+t

Judge for yourself.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:51 PM
Here is what comes up when you look under google images for Kyle Orton
http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=kyle+orton&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1344&bih=901

Here is what comes up when you look up Tim Tebow
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1344&bih=901&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tim+t

Judge for yourself.

Yup . . . some real mental midgets posting in both cases, aren't there?

Nonetheless, I don't see anything particularly damning in Orton's case . . .

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chazoe60
01-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Top, are you honestly going to try and claim that Kyle Orton works out as hard as Tim Tebow?


Come on man I know you like bOreton but that is not even an argument.

jlarsiii
01-28-2011, 03:57 PM
It is obviously the offseason when you see threads like this one.

In case most of you have forgotten I believe NFL players are all considered to be adults even if they don't act like it all the time.

Orton took his o-line to vegas as a thanks for the season, and he probably took Quinn along for all of those fantastic back rubs during the season. :shocked:

He didn't invite Tebow. . . . .so what? These guys are all adults, and as such they do not have to invite everybody (especially if they don't like one another as it is widely speculated that Orton doesn't like Tebow). It is not an insult or slight in any way. It is acknowledging what most suspect in the Orton doesn't care for Tebow. After all you wouldn't invite someone you don't like to go with you because in the end you would do more of a dis-service to each other by doing so. Being fake and inviting someone you don't like simply to save face to "the general public" is far worse then being an adult and not inviting them.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 03:59 PM
Top, are you honestly going to try and claim that Kyle Orton works out as hard as Tim Tebow?


Come on man I know you like bOreton but that is not even an argument.

Where did I say that, Chaz?

I don't know that any QB works out as hard as Tebow. Does Manning? Brady?
Brees? Hell, Elway confessed to not working out much. Will Tebow ever be as
good as they? Maybe . . . but that would be going some to do so.

If I want a behemoth at QB, I would look at Hulk Hogan. I'm concerned with
things such as how well they pass the ball. Now, before Orton was injured,
that amounted to, as Elway mentioned, a record-shattering pace.

Maybe Tebow will end up starring at QB. Maybe he won't. But that won't
have a lot to do with the size of his biceps or six-pack abs . . .

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GEM
01-28-2011, 04:01 PM
It is obviously the offseason when you see threads like this one.

In case most of you have forgotten I believe NFL players are all considered to be adults even if they don't act like it all the time.

Orton took his o-line to vegas as a thanks for the season, and he probably took Quinn along for all of those fantastic back rubs during the season. :shocked:

He didn't invite Tebow. . . . .so what? These guys are all adults, and as such they do not have to invite everybody (especially if they don't like one another as it is widely speculated that Orton doesn't like Tebow). It is not an insult or slight in any way. It is acknowledging what most suspect in the Orton doesn't care for Tebow. After all you wouldn't invite someone you don't like to go with you because in the end you would do more of a dis-service to each other by doing so. Being fake and inviting someone you don't like simply to save face to "the general public" is far worse then being an adult and not inviting them.

Yea....Orton gets the Bunny Ranch while Tebow gets the starting position.

Plus he doesn't want to hear Tim tell him that Jim Beam is the devil. Party on, Kyle. Put it all on Red.

Ravage!!!
01-28-2011, 04:01 PM
It is obviously the offseason when you see threads like this one.

In case most of you have forgotten I believe NFL players are all considered to be adults even if they don't act like it all the time.

Orton took his o-line to vegas as a thanks for the season, and he probably took Quinn along for all of those fantastic back rubs during the season. :shocked:

He didn't invite Tebow. . . . .so what? These guys are all adults, and as such they do not have to invite everybody (especially if they don't like one another as it is widely speculated that Orton doesn't like Tebow). It is not an insult or slight in any way. It is acknowledging what most suspect in the Orton doesn't care for Tebow. After all you wouldn't invite someone you don't like to go with you because in the end you would do more of a dis-service to each other by doing so. Being fake and inviting someone you don't like simply to save face to "the general public" is far worse then being an adult and not inviting them.

Good post. We all know I'm not Orton man, but this thread is just like watching mud slinging campaigns. Its ridiculous.

If the Tebow guys are SOOOOO confident in their QB, both as a player and a person, then why do you feel the need to bash Orton? You think it makes Tebow look better? Whats the point, whats the purpose, whats the gain?

Tebow, himself, would look down at you for this crap.

GEM
01-28-2011, 04:02 PM
Where did I say that, Chaz?

I don't know that any QB works out as hard as Tebow. Does Manning? Brady?
Brees? Hell, Elway confessed to not working out much. Will Tebow ever be as
good as they? Maybe . . . but that would be going some to do so.

If I want a behemoth at QB, I would look at Hulk Hogan. I'm concerned with
things such as how well they pass the ball. Now, before Orton was injured,
that amounted to, as Elway mentioned, a record-shattering pace.

Maybe Tebow will end up starring at QB. Maybe he won't. But that won't
have a lot to do with the size of his biceps or six-pack abs . . .

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Or the happy trail....:D :lol:

slim
01-28-2011, 04:03 PM
I wouldn't have invited him either.

KCL
01-28-2011, 04:03 PM
Here is what comes up when you look under google images for Kyle Orton
http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=kyle+orton&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1344&bih=901

Here is what comes up when you look up Tim Tebow
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1344&bih=901&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tim+t

Judge for yourself.

Is that Tebow in the red shorts sporting a tattoo?

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 04:03 PM
Where did I say that, Chaz?

I don't know that any QB works out as hard as Tebow. Does Manning? Brady?
Brees? Hell, Elway confessed to not working out much. Will Tebow ever be as
good as they? Maybe . . . but that would be going some to do so.

If I want a behemoth at QB, I would look at Hulk Hogan. I'm concerned with
things such as how well they pass the ball. Now, before Orton was injured,
that amounted to, as Elway mentioned, a record-shattering pace.

Maybe Tebow will end up starring at QB. Maybe he won't. But that won't
have a lot to do with the size of his biceps or six-pack abs . . .

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And despite Orton's "record shattering" pace Tebow was more productive and the team as a whole was more competitive. Orton works within the system and does absolutely nothing more. He can not make something out of nothing. And his leadership skills are among the worst I have ever seen. Hell, even Brandon Lloyd has come to the realization that Tebow is the future of this franchise.

Kyle Orton is done as a Bronco, thank God. His era was the worst of any regular starting QB that I have ever witnessed for this franchise.

KCL
01-28-2011, 04:06 PM
I don't know that any QB works out as hard as Tebow.

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I heard JaMarcus Russell does...I'm not claiming it's true...:lol:

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 04:07 PM
Orton has become toxic. They need to get rid of him ASAP.

What a guy!

topscribe
01-28-2011, 04:07 PM
Or the happy trail....:D :lol:

GEM, Tebow just does not give me strange hormonal feelings . . . :D

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KCL
01-28-2011, 04:08 PM
I get the feeling some of you guys don't like Orton.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 04:09 PM
And despite Orton's "record shattering" pace Tebow was more productive and the team as a whole was more competitive. Orton works within the system and does absolutely nothing more. He can not make something out of nothing. And his leadership skills are among the worst I have ever seen. Hell, even Brandon Lloyd has come to the realization that Tebow is the future of this franchise.

Kyle Orton is done as a Bronco, thank God. His era was the worst of any regular starting QB that I have ever witnessed for this franchise.

I don't know if it's proper to thank God for that.

You might check with Tebow . . . :D

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GEM
01-28-2011, 04:10 PM
GEM, Tebow just does not give me strange hormonal feelings . . . :D

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I would hope not, Topper!! :lol:

I don't find him all that attractive....but he does have a fantastic happy trail! :D

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 04:12 PM
I get the feeling some of you guys don't like Orton.
That's putting it lightly.

Would you like a QB who led your team to its worst ever season and then said afterword "I didn't open the door for anyone." "My play warrants me starting." and "I have enough on film."?!?!?!

I don't know if it's proper to thank God for that.

You might check with Tebow . . . :D

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I think God's cool with it.

BroncoNut
01-28-2011, 04:17 PM
hmmm. If I were Tebow, I wouldn't take this to heart, and I doubt he does. It was a dick move though by Kyle, he should have known better.

KCL
01-28-2011, 04:20 PM
That's putting it lightly.

Would you like a QB who led your team to its worst ever season and then said afterword "I didn't open the door for anyone." "My play warrants me starting." and "I have enough on film."?!?!?!


I think God's cool with it.

chazo..that post of mine was sarcasm in case you didn't pick up on that.

Cassel sucked his first season...I don't hate him for it though.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 04:20 PM
That's putting it lightly.

Would you like a QB who led your team to its worst ever season and then said afterword "I didn't open the door for anyone." "My play warrants me starting." and "I have enough on film."?!?!?!

Why not? A few of us realize that this was a last-place team both in
defense and the running game. You should have listened to Elway's
comments on Orton. He indicated he was ignoring the W-L record in judging
Orton (you gotta remember, Elway had a 5-11 season), that he is
impressed with how Orton played before Orton had those rib injuries.

You know I love ya, Chaz, but Elway has more credibility there. Sorry.



I think God's cool with it.I don't think God even cares, do you? http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thwink.gif

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KCL
01-28-2011, 04:22 PM
Orton had at least one good game last season that I know of...:lol:

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 04:26 PM
Orton had at least one good game last season that I know of...:lol:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

By far his best game as a Bronco.

And Top, I think (just my guess not claiming it to be fact) that in a private moment John would admit that Orton is not good enough. Is Tebow the guy that is good enough? It's too early to tell, but I am certain Orton is not.

People have accused me of being a Tebow fanboy, but I am not. I would be calling for Orton's head if Tebow wasn't on this team. I just plat out do not think Orton is a good QB.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 04:29 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

By far his best game as a Bronco.

And Top, I think (just my guess not claiming it to be fact) that in a private moment John would admit that Orton is not good enough. Is Tebow the guy that is good enough? It's too early to tell, but I am certain Orton is not.

People have accused me of being a Tebow fanboy, but I am not. I would be calling for Orton's head if Tebow wasn't on this team. I just plat out do not think Orton is a good QB.

I know, Chaz. You come by your hate honestly. ;)

And that is a wild guess, to be sure. Just the fact Orton was elected team
captain and player representative is indicative of his popularity and
leadership. But I doubt that will make much of an impression on you, either.

Agree to disagree? http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdrink.gif

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KCL
01-28-2011, 04:31 PM
You all just need to :kiss: and make up... :hug:

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 04:33 PM
You all just need to :kiss: and make up... :hug:

I tried to kiss Top, but he told me I didn't have enough facial hair. :D

topscribe
01-28-2011, 04:34 PM
I tried to kiss Top, but he told me I didn't have enough facial hair. :D

No, I told you to take a bath . . .



:couch:



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KCL
01-28-2011, 04:38 PM
No, I told you to take a bath . . .



:couch:



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And then you'll kiss him? :confused:

:eek:

cardoso
01-28-2011, 04:50 PM
Just out of curiousity is Topscribe upset because he wasn't invited either? :elefant: Damn Neckbeard is pissing everyone off! Ship his ass out of here asap!

Foochacho
01-28-2011, 05:49 PM
Let's just look at Tebow and then look at Orton. Or look at pictures of each that come up on searches and you tell me which guy is more dedicated. It's not close.

Maybe if Orton did a little more working out he wouldn't get hurt every year. Just saying

This post makes you look gay. Checking out Tebow. :tsk:


Go Orton, get shitfaced and sword some skanks.:beer:

topscribe
01-28-2011, 06:23 PM
Just out of curiousity is Topscribe upset because he wasn't invited either? :elefant: Damn Neckbeard is pissing everyone off! Ship his ass out of here asap!

Not true. Orton texted me three or four times, left several messages on my
voicemail, emailed me twice, and even hit me up on Facebook. But I couldn't
go . . . just too busy.

Besides, I don't like Vegas all that much. Now, a fishing trip to the Grand Tetons . . .

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topscribe
01-28-2011, 06:25 PM
And then you'll kiss him? :confused:

:eek:

Well, I would make him think I'm going to . . .



Just a damned tease, ain't I? :laugh:



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MadMax
01-28-2011, 07:13 PM
I bet if Jake Plummer were still our QB he would have invited Tebow.



:behindsofa:

jhildebrand
01-28-2011, 07:36 PM
My thoughts on Orton kind of crystalized driving around and listening to sports radio today.

There is an awful lot of talk that the team should keep Orton and Tebow should compete for the starting job.

Why? :confused:

Orton was handed the starting job here! He never needed to compete for the job.

Furthermore, Orton following the KC (2nd game) and AZ game was criticised by every member of the media in this town for giving up and mailing it in. Sandy Clough mentioned that to him, in his 30+ years covering the Broncos, he never saw a QB play like one who KNEW the team wasn't going to pull him and who could not care less.

If that isn't quitting, then I don't know what is! Yet everyone here (seems like anyways) says Cutler quit? :confused: At least Cutler gave his team a chance even if it meant he step aside! With the act Orton was pulling he would have been nothing more than a 4 game cancer to end the season.

Orton is JUST LIKE Josh McDaniels. He preached and bought in to the "team first" talk until the rubber hit the road. Then we saw his true colors!

Orton quit on the field. He quit when the team handed the reigns to Tebow. Most importantly he showed us who he is....a little **tch! Orton has shown that this team can do anything going forward BUT HOLD ONTO HIM.

I hope this team has a real opportunity to move him after the CBA is negotiated.


:wave: Orton.

Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 07:44 PM
My thoughts on Orton kind of crystalized driving around and listening to sports radio today.

There is an awful lot of talk that the team should keep Orton and Tebow should compete for the starting job.

Why? :confused:

Orton was handed the starting job here! He never needed to compete for the job.

Furthermore, Orton following the KC (2nd game) and AZ game was criticised by every member of the media in this town for giving up and mailing it in. Sandy Clough mentioned that to him, in his 30+ years covering the Broncos, he never saw a QB play like one who KNEW the team wasn't going to pull him and who could not care less.

If that isn't quitting, then I don't know what is! Yet everyone here (seems like anyways) says Cutler quit? :confused: At least Cutler gave his team a chance even if it meant he step aside! With the act Orton was pulling he would have been nothing more than a 4 game cancer to end the season.

Orton is JUST LIKE Josh McDaniels. He preached and bought in to the "team first" talk until the rubber hit the road. Then we saw his true colors!

Orton quit on the field. He quit when the team handed the reigns to Tebow. Most importantly he showed us who he is....a little **tch! Orton has shown that this team can do anything going forward BUT HOLD ONTO HIM.

I hope this team has a real opportunity to move him after the CBA is negotiated.


:wave: Orton.

Yeah, Orton is toxic now. They need to move him ASAP.

And considering a lot of his stats that he amassed came in garbage time, there's really no reason to do all this. It seems like he's going out of his way to be a cancer.

Edit-- Just to follow up on my comments about Orton's season, I looked up the # of times Denver failed to score at least 21 points, which was the lowest point total by the offense during Tebow's time playing.

Under Tebow, the Broncos offense scored 23, 24, and 21 (28 but the ST scored 1 TD). So 21 is the lowest output by the offense under Tebow. Under the the 13 starts with Orton as QB, the Broncos failed to reach 21 points a whopping 9 times. Orton is a veteran and Tebow didn't even fully know what he was doing yet, and the offense under Orton failed to live up to what it was with Tebow 9 out of 13 times.

topscribe
01-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Sure, Orton quit. He played a year and a half on high ankle sprains. He played
with a compound (bone through the skin) dislocation of the guiding finger on
his throwing hand. He played through a shoulder injury and three games
through severe rib injuries.

And now you idiots are mouthing off about something about which you have
no information other than that Tebow didn't go to Vegas.

This is the kind of mentality of which lynch mobs were formed.

Right now, I'm ashamed of all of you . . .



And don't think this is because you think I'm an "Orton lover," either.

I would be kinder than this, I would be of the same attitude, toward a
player if I hated his guts . . .

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Agent of Orange
01-28-2011, 07:54 PM
Sure, Orton quit. He played a year and a half on high ankle sprains. He played
with a compound (bone through the skin) dislocation of the guiding finger on
his throwing hand. He played through a shoulder injury and three games
through severe rib injuries.

And now you idiots are mouthing off about something about which you have
no information other than that Tebow didn't go to Vegas.

This is the kind of mentality of which lynch mobs were formed.

Right now, I'm ashamed of all of you . . .



And don't think this is because you think I'm an "Orton lover," either.

I would be kinder than this, I would be of the same attitude, toward a
player if I hated his guts . . .

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Thats OK. I'm, likewise, ashamed of you. Even if this turns out to be not true, it's not like Orton hasn't made other comments or gestures that aren't consistent with this.

Dzone
01-28-2011, 08:02 PM
What an ahole...this just proves what a total jerk Orton is. This is why Orton will be A cancer on the team and he must be traded or cut asap. This story makes me want to puke. Orton is a skinny version of jay cutler.
Prob talked them all into some strip joints aND other such unmentionable places.

chazoe60
01-28-2011, 08:09 PM
Here's the thing about Orton IMHO: he is not a guy any team should ever be built around. We, the Denver Broncos, are definitely rebuilding. So, why stick with a guy like Orton? It makes no sense.

You can't even use the old "he gives us the best chance to win" line any more. Tebow proved in those last three games, in which his productivity and the team's overall competitiveness was much better, that he gives us the best chance.

Orton is not right for this city, this team, or this fanbase. This is a QB centric franchise and Orton has none of the qualities it takes to satisfy those needs. Orton, in truth, should be a backup. He can play in most systems and he rarely makes big mistakes, but he fails almost 100% of the time when the system breaks down and is pathetic under pressure. He's built to be a backup. He would probably do well on a team with a great defense and good running game as a game manager, but even then, the two or three games a season that came down to needing the QB to make a play would probably be lost.

Even if we become a heavy run team under Foxy tue QB will always be the focus of the fanbase. Elway has made us this way. Orton is not cut out to have that microscope on him. Tebow on the other hand may be exactly what we want.

Foxy's conservative style may be just perfect for Tebow. I think Tebow will be great in a run heavy Play Action type system. And Tebow has the added bonus of being a guy that just seems to have a little magic about him at the end of games. It just seems like with Tebow we will be in most games to the wire, I never felt that way with Orton. Tebow also has the charisma and personality to hold the fans interest and loyalty between games as well, Orton has the personality (the one he shows to the public anyhow) of roadkill.

To me all things point to giving Tebow his shot. If it proves he can't do it then we address the QB position later. Tebow might be the guy, Orton definitely is not.

As an aside, don't be surprised of Tebow has a bad season Elway sells the farm to draft Luck next season. Elway loves that kid.

jhildebrand
01-28-2011, 08:23 PM
Sure, Orton quit. He played a year and a half on high ankle sprains. He played
with a compound (bone through the skin) dislocation of the guiding finger on
his throwing hand. He played through a shoulder injury and three games
through severe rib injuries.

And now you idiots are mouthing off about something about which you have
no information other than that Tebow didn't go to Vegas.

This is the kind of mentality of which lynch mobs were formed.

Right now, I'm ashamed of all of you . . .



And don't think this is because you think I'm an "Orton lover," either.

I would be kinder than this, I would be of the same attitude, toward a
player if I hated his guts . . .

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Now I am an idiot? :confused:

Now I am inciting lynch mobs? :confused:

Get real, Top. I offered my final thoughts on the guy. For a guy who decries personal insults, you were certainly quick to sling 'em.

While I wont comment on his playing injured in Chicago, I will during his Denver tenure. But first let me say this isn't about me hating his guts because I don't. And this isn't about Tebow not going to Vegas. I put it here because it was the most appropriate place without starting a new thread.

Orton played hurt. Great. Good for him. So does almost every other player in the NFL. DO you want a certificate of achievment for him, Top? :confused:

Orton played hurt and at times was effective in doing so. He should be commended for that. However, there is no excuse for what he pulled in the KC and AZ games. NONE. Not from even the Orton fan club president.

Finally, Orton has become caustic and has made certain that he stays at the forefront of talk for all the wrong reasons. He is being divisive at every turn and I don't see how that can at all be good for a team trying to rebuild.

WARHORSE
01-28-2011, 08:32 PM
Why wouldnt Tebow go to Vegas? Will he burn or sumthing?


Just cause you go to Vegas doesnt mean youre going to visit the nearest brothel.

I cant speak for whether Tebow would have been interested in going or not, but I can say that there are devout christians that live there. Imagine that.



As far as Orton goes, hes making his own bed with these actions and the things hes saying. Tebow is the answer at this point because he showed enough in the last three games in order for us to understand that he should be playing because hes going to get better with repetitions.

Orton does not have the playmaking ability to improvise when plays break down. Tebow has shown this.


Orton scored 17 points or less in 9 out of his 13 starts.

In three starts, as a rookie not getting reps with the first team until the week of him starting, Tebow scored 23, 24 and 28 pts. The 28 pts coming against the number one defense in the league.

While there needs to be competition at the QB position, Orton and his sourpuss needs to leave, because he thinks hes the bomb.


Get the best draft pick we can for Orton, and lets move on.


Orton has had career years here, and for that Im truly thankful, but only because that means a higher draft pick.

:coffee:

Dzone
01-28-2011, 08:33 PM
Cutlers bad act on sunday, followed by Ortons selfish behavior now makes me even more grateful to have a quarterback like Tebow. When I was growing up, we really never had a great person like Tebow to idolize. I mean, I idolized Joe Namath, a guy who had no dedication at all, who laughed about playing hungover. Thank God I also had Floyd Little and GradishaR and craig morton...I wish I had had a guy like Tebow to follow as a kid..anyway, this orton guy needs to go. I guarantee you they are talking about this Vegas trip at Dove Valley. And am sure Tebow is on e of the only players showing up there everydiay to train and study. Man, Orton really needs to be gone

topscribe
01-28-2011, 08:36 PM
And so do I, I'm beginning to think.

Goodnight.

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Rusty Shackleford
01-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Not sure how many of you browse the Orangemane, but Chris Kuper's father posts there very occasionally.

It's not true folks. From the mouth a man who's son is one of those in Vegas. Sensationalism from Woody Paige. So it's time to stop freaking out.

Dzone
01-28-2011, 09:42 PM
Not sure how many of you browse the Orangemane, but Chris Kuper's father posts there very occasionally.

It's not true folks. From the mouth a man who's son is one of those in Vegas. Sensationalism from Woody Paige. So it's time to stop freaking out.
well, Im glad to hear its not true. That would really suck if Orton did that for real. thanks for the clarifying.

Denver Native (Carol)
01-28-2011, 10:05 PM
Not good to ASS U ME

Benetto
01-28-2011, 10:31 PM
Just because you're not sucking the keg dry, or deep-throating a bong at a party doesn't mean you don't wanna be there...From some pictures I saw scattered over the net, Tim is/was the life of many-a-party back in his collegiate days. Not thaaat hard to have fun in Vegas without getting plastered...


Orton just keeps proving how much of a bitter POS he is...

Rusty Shackleford
01-28-2011, 10:37 PM
Orton just keeps proving how much of a bitter POS he is...

Decided not to read the whole thread then?

LawDog
01-28-2011, 11:04 PM
Well, I would make him think I'm going to . . .



Just a damned tease, ain't I? :laugh:



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Top goes 80 and waits for Orton to go 20...

Benetto
01-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Decided not to read the whole thread then?


I read the first maybe 50 or so posts, then skipped the rest...Sorry if I missed something...

Benetto
01-28-2011, 11:35 PM
BTW Rusty....Are you the REAL R.Shackleford, or just Dale Gribble?



God how I miss KOTH.

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Newsflash: Orton has been far from a model citizen. This is just another example.

Well, I've sure seen plenty of hearsay about Orton and his so-called 'actions', but have yet to see/hear anything credible.

If anybody knows, Orton knows not to burn bridges.

A cat doesn't turn into a skunk, overnight.

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 11:43 PM
Gem said it. This is about Orton and his sour grapes. Its not really even about Tebow. It's about Orton's bitterness, jealousy,...whatever.

Orton has been perpetrating a fraud.

It was more like Woody trying (succeeding) in starting some shit.

:rolleyes:

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 11:47 PM
You people are all wrong. It's NORMAL for QBs to treat their OLs to various things, both during and AFTER the season.

Some guys take their OL to the pro-bowl. Some, like Elway used to take them out to steak dinners, etc.

Now, in all this WHAT NFL QB takes the backup QB out to dinner?

NOBODY does that! NOBODY! It's NOT a slight on Tebow, it's simply that Orton is acknowledging his OL because they blocked for him all season and kept him out of the hospital.

That's all there is to this. I doubt there's ONE NFL QB who takes the other QBs on his team out to dinner, let alone to Vegas.

If you bothered to ask the simple question: "is it normal for a QB to take his OL and NOT the backup QBs out for a dinner?" you would immediately realize this is a total NON-EVENT. :coffee:

Did Cuges just skim the artickle and not read it fully? :shocked:

Does Cuges' 'puter have a Brady Quinn filter, and fully activated?

Oh my....inquiring minds!!!!! :eek:

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 11:52 PM
You're the one who is deviating from the topic. You're trying to make it about Tebow. As I've pointed out to you, it's about Orton.

....and his non-invite.

Derrrrrr......

Dzone
01-28-2011, 11:54 PM
Not good to ASS U ME
I think maybe its time we all assume that everything Woody Paige writes is totally made up. That's not cool to put that in the paper in an attempt to turn fans against Orton. Most people believe their local newspaper writers. If Paige is doing this, then he needs to be fired from the Denver Post. Seriously. He needs to provide proof. Why should Lying to his readers be excused???

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 11:55 PM
So then, what you are saying is that a QB shouldn't have any relaxation time during the offseason?

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Oh, if only the roles were reversed, top. :coffee:

rcsodak
01-28-2011, 11:59 PM
Let's just look at Tebow and then look at Orton. Or look at pictures of each that come up on searches and you tell me which guy is more dedicated. It's not close.

Maybe if Orton did a little more working out he wouldn't get hurt every year. Just saying

:lol:

Yah....cuz working out in the offseason will keep bones from protruding out one's finger....

.....and I'm sure all the other players who've been hurt never took any time off either.

OMG!

Funny shit on this board, sometimes..... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

rcsodak
01-29-2011, 12:06 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

By far his best game as a Bronco.

And Top, I think (just my guess not claiming it to be fact) that in a private moment John would admit that Orton is not good enough. Is Tebow the guy that is good enough? It's too early to tell, but I am certain Orton is not.

People have accused me of being a Tebow fanboy, but I am not. I would be calling for Orton's head if Tebow wasn't on this team. I just plat out do not think Orton is a good QB.

While NFL peeps do.

hmmmm......eeeny meeeny miney mo.......

rcsodak
01-29-2011, 12:14 AM
Edit-- Just to follow up on my comments about Orton's season, I looked up the # of times Denver failed to score at least 21 points, which was the lowest point total by the offense during Tebow's time playing.

Under Tebow, the Broncos offense scored 23, 24, and 21 (28 but the ST scored 1 TD). So 21 is the lowest output by the offense under Tebow. Under the the 13 starts with Orton as QB, the Broncos failed to reach 21 points a whopping 9 times. Orton is a veteran and Tebow didn't even fully know what he was doing yet, and the offense under Orton failed to live up to what it was with Tebow 9 out of 13 times.

Just so you know, the above "research" is by far the most simplistically mundane info posted to date.

Though, it did make me laugh. :laugh:

rcsodak
01-29-2011, 12:22 AM
Why wouldnt Tebow go to Vegas? Will he burn or sumthing?


Just cause you go to Vegas doesnt mean youre going to visit the nearest brothel.

I cant speak for whether Tebow would have been interested in going or not, but I can say that there are devout christians that live there. Imagine that.



As far as Orton goes, hes making his own bed with these actions and the things hes saying. Tebow is the answer at this point because he showed enough in the last three games in order for us to understand that he should be playing because hes going to get better with repetitions.

Orton does not have the playmaking ability to improvise when plays break down. Tebow has shown this.


Orton scored 17 points or less in 9 out of his 13 starts.

In three starts, as a rookie not getting reps with the first team until the week of him starting, Tebow scored 23, 24 and 28 pts. The 28 pts coming against the number one defense in the league.

While there needs to be competition at the QB position, Orton and his sourpuss needs to leave, because he thinks hes the bomb.


Get the best draft pick we can for Orton, and lets move on.


Orton has had career years here, and for that Im truly thankful, but only because that means a higher draft pick.

:coffee:

:laugh:

LMAO!!!!

MORE comparisons with 3 games???? (I won't even mention the competition)

I say WHY STOP WITH ONLY ORTON?

I'd say TT's Scoring Machine is better than Brady's!

Look out, world!!!!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

rcsodak
01-29-2011, 12:25 AM
Not sure how many of you browse the Orangemane, but Chris Kuper's father posts there very occasionally.

It's not true folks. From the mouth a man who's son is one of those in Vegas. Sensationalism from Woody Paige. So it's time to stop freaking out.

As I've said......


.....much ado about nuttin'..... :coffee:


I wonder how many more sensationalized articles the Orton haters will jump on. :rolleyes:

rcsodak
01-29-2011, 12:26 AM
Decided not to read the whole thread then?

What point would that prove? :rolleyes:

Agent of Orange
01-29-2011, 12:30 AM
....and his non-invite.

Derrrrrr......

Quoted as an accurate depiction.

chazoe60
01-29-2011, 01:07 AM
Just so you know, the above "research" is by far the most simplistically mundane info posted to date.

Though, it did make me laugh. :laugh:

And your research is equally as hilarious. Oh that's right you didn't actually do any research you just came in and ridiculed someone else.

topscribe
01-29-2011, 02:09 AM
And your research is equally as hilarious. Oh that's right you didn't actually do any research you just came in and ridiculed someone else.

I reviewed all of RC's posts, and the only person he dissed was Woody.

Not a bad person to diss, actually . . .

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WARHORSE
01-29-2011, 06:21 AM
:laugh:

LMAO!!!!

MORE comparisons with 3 games???? (I won't even mention the competition)

I say WHY STOP WITH ONLY ORTON?

I'd say TT's Scoring Machine is better than Brady's!

Look out, world!!!!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Errrr, yeah. See, thats how many games he played. 3

And the comparison doesnt have to stop with Orton. It can compare with any QB in the same position as Tebow.


Just so you understand, we can only compare what has been done...right?:tsk:


In Ortons first three games, or any other QB for that matter, how many plays did he make when things didnt go according to plan?

Tebow already has a number of those on his resume, and it is what it is, and aint what it aint.


I got no problem pointing that out.

Over and over if the need be there.......:D

NittanyBuff24
01-29-2011, 08:17 AM
I'll be celebrating when we trade Orton for a pick or two!

HORSEPOWER 56
01-29-2011, 08:56 AM
It's okay... I'm sure Tebow could care less. Right now, he's running, lifting, throwing, working on his drops, working on his reads, studying film, studying the playbook, etc.

Kyle is choosing to spend his time doing this:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8DfrU7n1YESAO5nAuQFrE1ujVrPgs_ QDiW8p7W81hMxWjB68bsQ&t=1

So, who do you think will start for the Broncos next year? Go Tebow.

Nomad
01-29-2011, 09:02 AM
It's okay... I'm sure Tebow could care less. Right now, he's running, lifting, throwing, working on his drops, working on his reads, studying film, studying the playbook, etc.

Kyle is choosing to spend his time doing this:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8DfrU7n1YESAO5nAuQFrE1ujVrPgs_ QDiW8p7W81hMxWjB68bsQ&t=1

So, who do you think will start for the Broncos next year? Go Tebow.

No big deal!! I thought Tebow was training down in Arizona anyway!!

I look at this as a positive that Orton thinks enough of the Oline to treat them, not really sticking up for the guy! All QBs should do this for their lineman! But inviting Quinn is a head scratcher.....maybe they needed a stewardess!!:D

Dzone
01-29-2011, 09:38 AM
Paige needs to be questioned about this Vegas trip he writes about. Where he got the information and he needs to confirm it. If he is lying or embellishing the truth, then he needs to answer for it and explain himself. Thats BS. Its an insult to his readers.
I dont like Orton, I cant stand him, but theres no need to lie about him to make him look bad. Orton does enough on his own to look bad, he doesnt need any help from woody paige

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 09:42 AM
:lol:

Yah....cuz working out in the offseason will keep bones from protruding out one's finger.........and I'm sure all the other players who've been hurt never took any time off either.

OMG!

Funny shit on this board, sometimes..... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Funny thing... Orton went 6-0 AFTER having a bone "protruding from his finger".....

Of course each and every year going back to his sophomore year in college he has lost games due to injury.

A China Doll is tougher than Kyle Orton. BTW.. I love how Orton fans c,laim he playe "1.5 years on a high ankle sprain" that only effects him when he plays really good teams.

MileHiWildcat
01-29-2011, 10:17 AM
Partying in Vegas with Neckbeard......sign me up !

rationalfan
01-29-2011, 11:24 AM
funny. assuming all the broncos' players should be "friends" is like assuming they're all good people.

Agent of Orange
01-29-2011, 12:17 PM
Just so you know, the above "research" is by far the most simplistically mundane info posted to date.

Though, it did make me laugh. :laugh:

9/13 is not mundane. I wish I can say the same about your ridiculous posts but they're no more amusing than garbage along the highway. I'd ask you to provide your own stats that speaks in favor of Orton, but then I realize how little I respect you. It would be pointless.

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 01:33 PM
So then, what you are saying is that a QB shouldn't have any relaxation time during the offseason?

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Well..... Kyle DID have that nice three weeks at the end of the season head start on Tim...

You know where he sat there and didnt talk to anyone during the games, or practice....Or even refused to "coment on other players like when I WAS the starter and called out everyone":coffee:

jhildebrand
01-29-2011, 02:08 PM
So...I continue to see the insinuation the Woody was lying. Yet I haven't seen anything that can substantiate that in any way! Not one thing.

What is there to suggest Woodrow is lying? :confused:

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 02:52 PM
So...I continue to see the insinuation the Woody was lying. Yet I haven't seen anything that can substantiate that in any way! Not one thing.

What is there to suggest Woodrow is lying? :confused:

These are the very same people who believe that a NFL team, its medical staff, teammates, MRI results....AND every sideline reporter all were lying last sunday.

See.. once you understand that everything else falls into place.:lol:

silkamilkamonico
01-29-2011, 03:09 PM
This thread has extended beyond ridiculous. Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow are nothing alike. The only thing they have in common is they are both losing QB's as starters for the Denver Broncos. That is all.

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 03:13 PM
This thread has extended beyond ridiculous. Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow are nothing alike. The only thing they have in common is they are both losing QB's as starters for the Denver Broncos. That is all.

No.... ONE qb has three starts with his teammates playing well.... ONE qb has 29 starts and tells his team "Thats it ...were done" in a game

silkamilkamonico
01-29-2011, 03:20 PM
No.... ONE qb has three starts with his teammates playing well.... ONE qb has 29 starts and tells his team "Thats it ...were done" in a game

If you are insinuating that Kyle Orton's record of 11-17 as a starting QB, which is terrible, and Tim Tebow's record of 1-2 are not "losing records", then I am going to just go ahead and omit your argument completely.

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 03:42 PM
If you are insinuating that Kyle Orton's record of 11-17 as a starting QB, which is terrible, and Tim Tebow's record of 1-2 are not "losing records", then I am going to just go ahead and omit your argument completely.

No.... Judging a career of 3 starts as to 29 starts is asinine.

Kinda like saying "Man... Kyle looks REALLY good out there" after 5 weeks of the 2009 season.

silkamilkamonico
01-29-2011, 03:48 PM
No.... Judging a career of 3 starts as to 29 starts is asinine.

Kinda like saying "Man... Kyle looks REALLY good out there" after 5 weeks of the 2009 season.

LMAO Who said anything about "judging". You tryin gto change my argument is asinine.

The fact of the matter is, they both have losing record as starters of the Denver Broncos, that is something they have in common, and that's about all they have in common.

I think you trying to argue that Tim Tebow's 1-2 record NOT being a losing record is an asinine argument in itself.

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 03:56 PM
LMAO Who said anything about "judging". You tryin gto change my argument is asinine.

The fact of the matter is, they both have losing record as starters of the Denver Broncos, that is something they have in common, and that's about all they have in common.

I think you trying to argue that Tim Tebow's 1-2 record NOT being a losing record is an asinine argument in itself.

Seriously..... give it up..... Your looking sadder each time you post. If possible.

Hey I know... lets call 3 games a Career!!!!! Oh wait... its not In 3 games Tebow is a HOF candidate

Of course he did it all without any injury

silkamilkamonico
01-29-2011, 03:59 PM
Seriously..... give it up..... Your looking sadder each time you post. If possible.

Hey I know... lets call 3 games a Career!!!!! Oh wait... its not In 3 games Tebow is a HOF candidate

Of course he did it all without any injury

LMAO WHo said anything about "career". Now you're talking "HOF candidate"?

You cannot be serious.

Tebow has played in a total of 3 games. He's a promising young talent. The sooner you can figure that out, the better off you're going to be.

You should just stop posting about Tim Tebow. He would be utterly embarrassed by your 'arguments'.

BroncoJoe
01-29-2011, 04:06 PM
silk, are you bipolar?

silkamilkamonico
01-29-2011, 04:07 PM
silk, are you bipolar?

I think only on thursdays. Is it thursday yet?

Slick
01-29-2011, 04:08 PM
So Kuper's dad posted on the Orange Mane that the alleged story of Orton snubbing Tebow on the Vegas trip is untrue?

Whew!

Sure glad we got that cleared up.

silkamilkamonico
01-29-2011, 04:10 PM
So Kuper's dad posted on the Orange Mane that the alleged story of Orton snubbing Tebow on the Vegas trip is untrue?

Whew!

Sure glad we got that cleared up.

I think it was misinformed facts.

The story should have read, "Orton snubs Tebow on dinner date with his wife."

hotcarl
01-29-2011, 04:14 PM
good thing you idiots obsessed about it for 12 pages! kudos!

jhildebrand
01-29-2011, 05:01 PM
So Kuper's dad posted on the Orange Mane that the alleged story of Orton snubbing Tebow on the Vegas trip is untrue?

Whew!

Sure glad we got that cleared up.

Tell me that is not the only evidence for the fact that woody is "lying!"

Some guy on the man who claims to be Kuper's daddy, which may or may not be true, is the reason woody is lying.

ROFLMAO. A guy on the mane vs an actual journalist. Gee I wonder who I would believe.

rcsodak
01-29-2011, 05:20 PM
No.... ONE qb has three starts with his teammates playing well.... ONE qb has 29 starts and tells his team "Thats it ...were done" in a game

Funny....but still haven't seen the proof of this....and nothing agianst GEM. But where is the lipreader? What was the context?

See, for all your measly jabs at Orton *or me*, you don't have, and never will have, proof of most of what you're regurgitating.

But you and your ilk are still funny, like 'Lil Abner. :lol:

chazoe60
01-29-2011, 05:25 PM
Funny....but still haven't seen the proof of this....and nothing agianst GEM. But where is the lipreader? What was the context?

See, for all your measly jabs at Orton *or me*, you don't have, and never will have, proof of most of what you're regurgitating.

But you and your ilk are still funny, like 'Lil Abner. :lol:

You know what we do have proof of? 11-17 as a Broncos starter. Last two games started >50 QB rating. 6 times last season Kyle Orton had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to win or tie, we were 1-5 in those games.

These are all indisputable facts.

Rusty Shackleford
01-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Tell me that is not the only evidence for the fact that woody is "lying!"

Some guy on the man who claims to be Kuper's daddy, which may or may not be true, is the reason woody is lying.

ROFLMAO. A guy on the mane vs an actual journalist. Gee I wonder who I would believe.

Instead of having a freak out and insulting people do this.

Go on the Orangemane search for the poster "kupesdad". He has posted photo's from his son's wedding, contract news before any journalists plus in depth info on his injuries. He also posted that this story is NOT true.

Or continue having blinders on if that is what you would prefer, I mean, you called Woody an "actual journalist" :confused: :laugh:

topscribe
01-29-2011, 05:43 PM
You know what we do have proof of? 11-17 as a Broncos starter. Last two games started >50 QB rating. 6 times last season Kyle Orton had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to win or tie, we were 1-5 in those games.

These are all indisputable facts.

Yes, that reminds me a lot of Elway's 5-11 season.



Nonetheless, I'm having trouble correlating this with the Vegas trip in question . . . :confused:



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topscribe
01-29-2011, 05:47 PM
Funny....but still haven't seen the proof of this....and nothing agianst GEM. But where is the lipreader? What was the context?

See, for all your measly jabs at Orton *or me*, you don't have, and never will have, proof of most of what you're regurgitating.

But you and your ilk are still funny, like 'Lil Abner. :lol:

Just another case of judgment without having all the facts. It happens when
one hates a person . . . or on the other side of it, has a crush on him.

All they have is, "We're done." Nothing else. So they interpret it their own
way, instead of admitting they don't have all the facts. Anything to bash.
Facts do not matter . . .

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broncobryce
01-29-2011, 05:48 PM
silk, are you bipolar?

No. Multiple personality disorder. I think one of em sorta likes Tebow. ;)

topscribe
01-29-2011, 05:56 PM
Tell me that is not the only evidence for the fact that woody is "lying!"

Some guy on the man who claims to be Kuper's daddy, which may or may not be true, is the reason woody is lying.

ROFLMAO. A guy on the mane vs an actual journalist. Gee I wonder who I would believe.

Kupesdad has been around for a long time on the Mane, ever since Kuper has
been a Bronco, IIRC. He has had some meaningful discussions there, regarding
his son, over time. That is indeed Kuper's father.

And I have had many occasions over the years where it has been difficult
to believe Woody. Referring to him as a "journalist" is using the term loosely,
IMO.

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jhildebrand
01-29-2011, 06:10 PM
Instead of having a freak out and insulting people do this.

Go on the Orangemane search for the poster "kupesdad". He has posted photo's from his son's wedding, contract news before any journalists plus in depth info on his injuries. He also posted that this story is NOT true.

Or continue having blinders on if that is what you would prefer, I mean, you called Woody an "actual journalist" :confused: :laugh:

I don't really care for the mane. I will take your word for it that it is truly Kuper's father. However, that doesn't make his word gospel on this particular story.

Do you recall Kuper's comments following the AZ game and heading into the Oakland game? :confused:

Kuper was/is all about Orton. I am not so sure he wouldn't have a skewed perception or story about how this Orton taking people to Vegas but dissing tebow story actually went.

As for Woody, yes he is a journalist. You may not like him. I personally never cared for him. However, I don't see him tarnishing his reputation over one silly little story like this. He still has to maintain a certain level of journalistic integrity and I am sure he did.

topscribe
01-29-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't really care for the mane. I will take your word for it that it is truly Kuper's father. However, that doesn't make his word gospel on this particular story.

Do you recall Kuper's comments following the AZ game and heading into the Oakland game? :confused:

Kuper was/is all about Orton. I am not so sure he wouldn't have a skewed perception or story about how this Orton taking people to Vegas but dissing tebow story actually went.

As for Woody, yes he is a journalist. You may not like him. I personally never cared for him. However, I don't see him tarnishing his reputation over one silly little story like this. He still has to maintain a certain level of journalistic integrity and I am sure he did.

It works two ways, my friend. Have you read many of Woody's columns?
He is all Tebow, and all hate for Orton -- almost since the time Orton set
foot off the plane in the spring of 2009. See how that works?

And I'm not all that sure Woody has ever been overly concerned about
integrity. IMO, he posts blogs that are glorified as columns. Personally, I
would never use the term "journalist" in reference to him.

Nope, I would believe Kuper and his dad over Woody any day of the week. :coffee:

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Agent of Orange
01-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Yes, that reminds me a lot of Elway's 5-11 season.



Nonetheless, I'm having trouble correlating this with the Vegas trip in question . . . :confused:



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I never thought Id see someone compare Elway and Orton.

Agent of Orange
01-29-2011, 06:17 PM
I don't really care for the mane. I will take your word for it that it is truly Kuper's father. However, that doesn't make his word gospel on this particular story.

Do you recall Kuper's comments following the AZ game and heading into the Oakland game? :confused:

Kuper was/is all about Orton. I am not so sure he wouldn't have a skewed perception or story about how this Orton taking people to Vegas but dissing tebow story actually went.

As for Woody, yes he is a journalist. You may not like him. I personally never cared for him. However, I don't see him tarnishing his reputation over one silly little story like this. He still has to maintain a certain level of journalistic integrity and I am sure he did.

It's not like there arent other instances of Orton saying or doing something along these lines.

chazoe60
01-29-2011, 07:09 PM
Yes, that reminds me a lot of Elway's 5-11 season.



Nonetheless, I'm having trouble correlating this with the Vegas trip in question . . . :confused:



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This thread has evolved into a thread about all things Orton so my comments were appropriate.

And Orton is the anti-Elway so the comparison is ridiculous.

Krugan
01-29-2011, 07:21 PM
Ahh the good old days, where not everyone got a ribbon for playing.

Im pretty sure this is being overhyped and not really important.

52 people in one room, most likely there will be several people you just dont want to hang out with.

bcbronc
01-29-2011, 07:23 PM
Just another case of judgment without having all the facts. It happens when
one hates a person . . . or on the other side of it, has a crush on him.

All they have is, "We're done." Nothing else. So they interpret it their own
way, instead of admitting they don't have all the facts. Anything to bash.
Facts do not matter . . .

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I disagree, top. they don't even have "we're done", all they have is GEM saying she lip read it. no context, no actual confirmation of this supposed event...in other words...nothing.

now, I'm not saying GEM is lying or making it up, just pointing out that it's lip reading. unless GEM is deaf or CIA trained, I'm going to be pretty skeptical about her (or anyone's) lip reading abilities.

sorry GEM, don't get mad: elephant shoes.

chazoe60
01-29-2011, 07:39 PM
I disagree, top. they don't even have "we're done", all they have is GEM saying she lip read it. no context, no actual confirmation of this supposed event...in other words...nothing.

now, I'm not saying GEM is lying or making it up, just pointing out that it's lip reading. unless GEM is deaf or CIA trained, I'm going to be pretty skeptical about her (or anyone's) lip reading abilities.

sorry GEM, don't get mad: elephant shoes.

What about the quotes we do know about? Such as: "I haven't opened the door for anyone." Or "I had a good season." Or "I have enough on film."

How do those comments, coming from the guy who Quaterbacked this team to it's worst season ever, make you feel as a Bronco fan? Personally, they piss me off. Orton shows absolutely no winning mentality IMHO.

The very first thing out of his mouth after the KC disaster, which BTW was a game we would have won with almost any other starting QB, was "WE need to play better". Granted, it was followed up with "I need to do better", but the fact that his first thought was to deflect the heat away from himself says a lot to me, especially considering that particular game was as close to a one man loss as you will see in the NFL.

Kyle Orton is an absolutely atrocious leader. His demeanor is pitiful. I despise watching him play for the Broncos and will celebrate like mad the day he is jettisoned out of here.

Slick
01-29-2011, 08:10 PM
Tell me that is not the only evidence for the fact that woody is "lying!"

Some guy on the man who claims to be Kuper's daddy, which may or may not be true, is the reason woody is lying.

ROFLMAO. A guy on the mane vs an actual journalist. Gee I wonder who I would believe.

Lighten up bro, you took me way too seriously.

I was basically saying who gives a ****.

bcbronc
01-29-2011, 08:33 PM
What about the quotes we do know about? Such as: "I haven't opened the door for anyone." Or "I had a good season." Or "I have enough on film."

How do those comments, coming from the guy who Quaterbacked this team to it's worst season ever, make you feel as a Bronco fan? Personally, they piss me off. Orton shows absolutely no winning mentality IMHO.

The very first thing out of his mouth after the KC disaster, which BTW was a game we would have won with almost any other starting QB, was "WE need to play better". Granted, it was followed up with "I need to do better", but the fact that his first thought was to deflect the heat away from himself says a lot to me, especially considering that particular game was as close to a one man loss as you will see in the NFL.

Kyle Orton is an absolutely atrocious leader. His demeanor is pitiful. I despise watching him play for the Broncos and will celebrate like mad the day he is jettisoned out of here.

last I looked, Orton was part of the ol' royal "we". Or maybe you thought Orton was actually the only Bronco this season that needed to do better? that would explain your double standards (I want a leader, but not one that wants to be the starter, durrrrr, durrrr, derrrrp).

as for his quotes, big whop. Orton did have a solid season, at least until the wheels fell off at the end. Is he the guy I want to see under centre going forward? nope. But it's a HUGE stretch to lay all the blame at his feet for the results this season, considering we had no running game, an oline in constant flux the first 2/3s of the season, no defense at all, and (according to some) the worst head coach in the history of head.

KCL
01-29-2011, 08:57 PM
Just another case of judgment without having all the facts. It happens when
one hates a person . . . or on the other side of it, has a crush on him.

All they have is, "We're done." Nothing else. So they interpret it their own
way, instead of admitting they don't have all the facts. Anything to bash.
Facts do not matter . . .

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Kind of like JR aka Lonestar when he is posting about Cutler.

chazoe60
01-29-2011, 09:24 PM
last I looked, Orton was part of the ol' royal "we". Or maybe you thought Orton was actually the only Bronco this season that needed to do better? that would explain your double standards (I want a leader, but not one that wants to be the starter, durrrrr, durrrr, derrrrp).

as for his quotes, big whop. Orton did have a solid season, at least until the wheels fell off at the end. Is he the guy I want to see under centre going forward? nope. But it's a HUGE stretch to lay all the blame at his feet for the results this season, considering we had no running game, an oline in constant flux the first 2/3s of the season, no defense at all, and (according to some) the worst head coach in the history of head.

I didn't say I have a problem with him wanting to be the starter, I have a problem with him thinking he's entitled to it durrrr, durrrr, derrrrp.

Juriga72
01-29-2011, 09:29 PM
Somehow Orton is a "true leader of men" by losing 16 out of 21 games, yet Tebow is a loser because he went 1-2, and of course Cutler is a punk because all he did was win a playoff game. Oh and those 19 wins over the last two years were "ONLY because his defense carried him"....

got it...

topscribe
01-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Kind of like JR aka Lonestar when he is posting about Cutler.

That may be, but I don't want to distract from my point. I was referring to
the alleged "we're done" remark. My point is, that is all they have to go on,
just two words: "we're done." I mean, the context could be, "we're done,
unless . . . " or, "we're done if we keep playing this way" . . . something like
that.

Nope, we want to take just two words and wrap our own thoughts around
that. That is an example of what I meant earlier about jumping to conclusions
and then forming judgments from them . . .

And this little offhand remark from Woody is another example. No, he's just
going to apply his little slant to it and then let people start making
judgments from a few words in the paper, without knowing any further facts.
And those judgments are according to whether we like or don't like the
object of our judgments.

One of the few really reasonable posts in this thread has been by Dzone
who stated he does not like Orton, yet questions the veracity and intent
of the beat writer who made that statement.

As for me, I suspect rumor mongering. I have seen, what is in my opinion,
that form of behavior from that writer before . . .

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Dzone
01-29-2011, 09:43 PM
Fire Orton before he sabotages the 2011 season. Hes a bad influence on the younger players on the team. How many lap dances do you think he bought for his OL? How much do you want to bet that he bought the married guys the most lap dances? Laughing the whole time.:laugh: Gee, What a guy!

topscribe
01-29-2011, 09:44 PM
This thread has evolved into a thread about all things Orton so my comments were appropriate.

And Orton is the anti-Elway so the comparison is ridiculous.

Not really. The point is (and I'm amazed I have to explain this to you), if it
happens to the best of them, then there must be other possible reasons for a
losing season.

But you already knew that. I made a valid point. You are debating because of
your distaste for Orton. There's the difference.


But still, I don't know what that has to do with the OP . . .

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topscribe
01-29-2011, 09:48 PM
I disagree, top. they don't even have "we're done", all they have is GEM saying she lip read it. no context, no actual confirmation of this supposed event...in other words...nothing.

now, I'm not saying GEM is lying or making it up, just pointing out that it's lip reading. unless GEM is deaf or CIA trained, I'm going to be pretty skeptical about her (or anyone's) lip reading abilities.

sorry GEM, don't get mad: elephant shoes.

I understand that. However, my point is, even if they do have that, it is all they have . . .

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chazoe60
01-29-2011, 09:58 PM
Not really. The point is (and I'm amazed I have to explain this to you), if it
happens to the best of them, then there must be other possible reasons for a
losing season.

But you already knew that. I made a valid point. You are debating because of
your distaste for Orton. There's the difference.


But still, I don't know what that has to do with the OP . . .

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I already expressed my opinion of the OP. I don't care who Orton does or does not invite on vacation. I then went on to express my opinions on other issues regarding Orton, because I am not one to make a lot of different threads about similar subjects. I don't like cluttering the MB with threads. If this is not an appropriate attitude for this MB, which I am new to being an active member of, let me know.

topscribe
01-29-2011, 10:01 PM
I already expressed my opinion of the OP. I don't care who Orton does or does not invite on vacation. I then went on to express my opinions on other issues regarding Orton, because I am not one to make a lot of different threads about similar subjects. I don't like cluttering the MB with threads. If this is not an appropriate attitude for this MB, which I am new to being an active member of, let me know.

To the contrary, it would be better if you did it in another thread. I am in this
thread to discuss the OP. I am sick to death of the debate over whether you
or I think Orton is a good QB. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and
we have stated it over and over again, ad nauseam. So what is the point of
your derailing the topic put forth by the OP to continue that useless debate?

:deadhorse:



I know I did bite on what you said, and I regret that I did.

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chazoe60
01-29-2011, 10:06 PM
To the contrary, it would be better if you did it in another thread. I am in this
thread to discuss the OP. I am sick to death of the debate over whether you
or I think Orton is a good QB. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and
we have stated it over and over again, ad nauseam. So what is the point of
your derailing the topic put forth by the OP to continue that useless debate?

:deadhorse:



I know I did bite on what you said, and I regret that I did.

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Because the vast majority of my posts in this thread have been geared toward what I think of Orton's attitude along with his play. IMHO this thread's overriding theme is Orton's perceived attitude. I guess if you dislike my posts that badly you should just ignore them.

topscribe
01-29-2011, 10:10 PM
Because the vast majority of my posts in this thread have been geared toward what I think of Orton's attitude along with his play. IMHO this thread's overriding theme is Orton's perceived attitude. I guess if you dislike my posts that badly you should just ignore them.

Calm down now, my friend. I don't mean anything personal. As for me, I do
appreciate that you are now an active member of this board, FWIW.

You have the full right to continue try to to persuade us few remaining
posters who appreciate Orton that he is a bad QB. I'm just questioning
whether it is appropriate in this specific thread. But I'm not a mod, and I
would not prohibit that from you, anyway. It is just my opinion, that's all.

But let's not get our panties in a wad over it, okay? :)


P.S. The post below this accused me of being sarcasting and condescending.
I apologize if you also feel this way. I did not mean that in any way at all.
And I meant to put a little humor into it with that final sentence.

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Dzone
01-29-2011, 10:16 PM
^man, that was one very sarcastic post. And condescending as well.

topscribe
01-29-2011, 10:18 PM
^man, that was one very sarcastic post. And condescending as well.

Really? I'm sorry I came across that way. I had no condescending intentions whatsoever.

I sincerely meant to have my hand out.

Wow.

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chazoe60
01-29-2011, 10:21 PM
Now my feelers are hurt. I'm inviting everyone but Top to join me on a trip to Vegas.








*airfare and accommodations not included.

Dzone
01-29-2011, 10:29 PM
Really? I'm sorry I came across that way. I had no condescending intentions whatsoever.

I sincerely meant to have my hand out.

Wow.

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What do you mean wow? You say " now lets not get our panties in a wad?" That can only be taken one way:rude.
Just the way you end your posts, with some instigating wisecrack

topscribe
01-29-2011, 10:31 PM
What do you mean wow? You say " now lets not get our panties in a wad?" That can only be taken one way:rude.
Just the way you end your posts, with some instigating wisecrack

Then don't read my posts. I even extended to you a compliment earlier in this thread.

But if you don't like the way I post, ignore me. Who the hell are you, anyway?
Get lost. I was discussing it with my friend Chaz, anyway . . .

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bcbronc
01-29-2011, 11:21 PM
Somehow Orton is a "true leader of men" by losing 16 out of 21 games, yet Tebow is a loser because he went 1-2, and of course Cutler is a punk because all he did was win a playoff game. Oh and those 19 wins over the last two years were "ONLY because his defense carried him"....

got it...

no, you've got it all wrong.

Cutler is an elite QB because he beat a sub .500 playoff team, Tebow is a sure fire HoFer because he was great in college (and because he trains in the offseason), and Orton is a piece of crap as a human being because McDaniels didn't replace him as the starter quick enough.

my last comment on this whole mess...

thank gawd Cutler is gone
thank gawd Orton is about to be gone
and let's all pray to gawd that Tebow develops into 1/10 the player the Tebowites claim he already is.
Amen, hallelujah!

BeefStew25
01-29-2011, 11:29 PM
you guys are killing Horton's trade value.

Juriga72
01-30-2011, 08:40 AM
you guys are killing Horton's trade value.

The problem with Horton is...... He cannot even hear a Who he's so bad.

Lonestar
01-30-2011, 10:49 AM
Kind of like JR aka Lonestar when he is posting about Cutler.

I don't hate jay just call a spade a spade.
It is not like he is the all pro QB that a few folks pine about.
He just happened to be on a team that has a decent running game, great ST play and one of the top defenses in he league.
Something neither Orton nor Tebow was blessed to have.
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Juriga72
01-30-2011, 10:55 AM
I don't hate jay just call a spade a spade.
It is not like he is the all pro QB that a few folks pine about.
He just happened to be on a team that has a decent running game, great ST play and one of the top defenses in he league.
Something neither Orton nor Tebow was blessed to have.
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There's where you are wrong... Guess what....
Which team had more rushing Td's this year?
Guess which team had a higher ypc?
Guess which team rushed for more first downs this year?
Guess which team had more Kick off reutrns for TD's?

get back to me on those....

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 02:40 PM
You know what we do have proof of? 11-17 as a Broncos starter. Last two games started >50 QB rating. 6 times last season Kyle Orton had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to win or tie, we were 1-5 in those games.

These are all indisputable facts.

">" = Greater than...
"<" = Less than...

/class

More "indisputable facts" was Orton's record with a defense was 21-12.

Ya'll REALLY need to make up your minds about whether or not this is a TEAM sport or an INDIVIDUAL sport. :rolleyes:

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 02:42 PM
Instead of having a freak out and insulting people do this.

Go on the Orangemane search for the poster "kupesdad". He has posted photo's from his son's wedding, contract news before any journalists plus in depth info on his injuries. He also posted that this story is NOT true.

Or continue having blinders on if that is what you would prefer, I mean, you called Woody an "actual journalist" :confused: :laugh:

Kupesdad has been around as long as Kupe. More than I can say about some whiney-assed posters that have sprouted from the weeds around here, lately.

Good find, Rusty.

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 02:46 PM
I never thought Id see someone compare Elway and Orton.

WoW!

Reading Correlation 101 be damned.

:lol:

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 02:50 PM
Kind of like JR aka Lonestar when he is posting about Cutler.

Hardly. :tsk:

Agent of Orange
01-30-2011, 02:56 PM
WoW!

Reading Correlation 101 be damned.

:lol:

Elway should not be used as a basis for comparison when you're talking about Orton.

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 02:57 PM
Somehow Orton is a "true leader of men" by losing 16 out of 21 games, yet Tebow is a loser because he went 1-2, and of course Cutler is a punk because all he did was win a playoff game. Oh and those 19 wins over the last two years were "ONLY because his defense carried him"....

got it...

WoW....

I've seen some stretches before.....


But if anybody will say Chicago's season wasn't BECAUSE of their defense this year, naivete is the basis.......bias at the least.

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 02:58 PM
Fire Orton before he sabotages the 2011 season. Hes a bad influence on the younger players on the team. How many lap dances do you think he bought for his OL? How much do you want to bet that he bought the married guys the most lap dances? Laughing the whole time.:laugh: Gee, What a guy!

Seriously, dude.....where do you come up with these fantasies? :confused:

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Because the vast majority of my posts in this thread have been geared toward what I think of Orton's attitude along with his play. IMHO this thread's overriding theme is Orton's perceived attitude. I guess if you dislike my posts that badly you should just ignore them.

So, in other words, ignore your 'I'm new here,(800+posts) guys...am I doing this right?', to 'TAKE IT AND EAT IT, BEEYOTCHES'.

Gotcha.

:rolleyes:

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 03:16 PM
Elway should not be used as a basis for comparison when you're talking about Orton.

HE wasn't.

His RECORD, was.

:coffee:

topscribe
01-30-2011, 03:20 PM
you guys are killing Horton's trade value.

Okay, let's sell Orton to the next team, shall we? Here is the


Official BroncosForum.com Sales Message for Kyle Orton:

Kyle Orton is entering his prime as a QB. He is only 28 years old, and is
entering his fifth year as a starter. He is married, which seems to have
settled him down in his life away from the field.

Orton has proven his toughness and dedication, having played through a high
ankle sprain during the last half of the 2008 season and first half of the 2009
season, and two high ankle sprains at the same time during the last half of
the 2009 season. In addition, he suffered a compound (bone through the
skin) dislocation of his index (guiding) finger on his throwing hand in late
preseason 2009, yet played through it for several games in early 2009.

Orton has shown to be viewed as a leader in his locker room, evidenced by
having been elected team captain and player representative by his
teammates.

Despite the team's 4-12 record this last year, the team's new Vice President
of Football Operations, John Elway (who ought to know QBs), had glowing
words for Orton, mentioning his record-shattering pace "until his rib injuries,"
which Orton (admittedly unwisely) played through his last couple games,
(which were obviously the reasons for his decline in production in those
two games). Elway's assessment of Orton supported that of Orton's
previous coach, who, when asked what he liked about Orton, mentioned
accuracy, good decisions, good arm, leadership, and ball security.

Indeed, before his rib injuries, Orton was playing at a Pro Bowl level, passing
at a record-shattering pace. He was ranked #2 in the league, according to
DVOA, and #6, according to DYAR. He was #1 in the league in passes of
40+ yards and #3 at 30-40 yards, so he is one of the better deep passers
in the league. His completion percentage hovered around 63%, and his QBR
was 96.0. Again, this was before his rib injuries during the last two games.

The striking thing about Orton's superlative numbers is that he did all this
without the "support" of the last-place running game AND a defense that
flirted with last place all season. Can anyone honestly deny that Orton
might be even better with a decent running game and/or decent defense?

The Broncos' asking price for Orton is a minimum of a 2nd round draft choice,
preferably in the upper half of that round. And the lucky team that lands
him will be getting him for less than he is worth. With a team that has at
least a competitive running game and defense, Orton may become a
franchise QB.

It would behoove that team to grab Orton before the Broncos change their
mind.



Now, don't anyone go and try to tear down this analysis if you want a
decent value in return for Orton . . . http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thannoyed-1.gif



:D



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rcsodak
01-30-2011, 03:29 PM
No.... Judging a career of 3 starts as to 29 starts is asinine.

Kinda like saying "Man... Kyle looks REALLY good out there" after 5 weeks of the 2009 season.

But isn't that EXACTLY what some posters were doing?

chazoe60
01-30-2011, 03:52 PM
rcsodak, what team do you root for anyway? It's so hard to tell because all you do is come in and bash other peoples posts and ideas, without ever offering any real input of your own. Seriously, why do you post at all?

atwater27
01-30-2011, 03:53 PM
this thread has 221 too many posts.

topscribe
01-30-2011, 03:54 PM
rcsodak, what team do you root for anyway? It's so hard to tell because all you do is come in and bash other peoples posts and ideas, without ever offering any real input of your own. Seriously, why do you post at all?

I think he has some very good comments.

There are a few posting here whose posts are so personal and worthless that
I have them on Ignore. I haven't noticed your addressing them . . .

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atwater27
01-30-2011, 03:57 PM
Hardly. :tsk:

what you said. Cept the opposite.

rcsodak
01-30-2011, 03:59 PM
rcsodak, what team do you root for anyway? It's so hard to tell because all you do is come in and bash other peoples posts and ideas, without ever offering any real input of your own. Seriously, why do you post at all?

I'm guessing your post was rhetorical...at least in nature.

I just like to comment on overzealous, and boisterous posts that are screaming to be re-engineered.


....as it clearly states under my avy.


:salute:

KCL
01-30-2011, 05:58 PM
Hardly. :tsk:

Oh are you speaking to me now...:coffee:

KCL
01-30-2011, 06:02 PM
I think he has some very good comments.

There are a few posting here whose posts are so personal and worthless that
I have them on Ignore. I haven't noticed your addressing them . . .

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I have to say the "lap dance" comment was pretty stupid as is some post about other players that aren't even on the Broncos anymore!

topscribe
01-30-2011, 06:48 PM
I have to say the "lap dance" comment was pretty stupid as is some post about other players that aren't even on the Broncos anymore!

Welcome to the dark side, KCL . . .

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topscribe
01-30-2011, 06:52 PM
I bet if Jake Plummer were still our QB he would have invited Tebow.



:behindsofa:


Maybe, maybe not.

I got the impression Jake was not all that chummy with Cutler . . .

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chazoe60
01-30-2011, 07:47 PM
Maybe, maybe not.

I got the impression Jake was not all that chummy with Cutler . . .

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Which is weird considering how warm and fuzzy Cutler is.

Kapaibro
01-30-2011, 09:46 PM
Tebow to Orton: "I'm the starter now you washed up has-been/never-was! Who needs Vegas when you have a future?"

BroncoStud
01-31-2011, 09:40 AM
Orton should have also invited Colquitt for wearing out his leg this year....as a thank you

This ^

BroncoStud
01-31-2011, 09:43 AM
Okay, let's sell Orton to the next team, shall we? Here is the


Official BroncosForum.com Sales Message for Kyle Orton:

Kyle Orton is entering his prime as a QB. He is only 28 years old, and is
entering his fifth year as a starter. He is married, which seems to have
settled him down in his life away from the field.

Orton has proven his toughness and dedication, having played through a high
ankle sprain during the last half of the 2008 season and first half of the 2009
season, and two high ankle sprains at the same time during the last half of
the 2009 season. In addition, he suffered a compound (bone through the
skin) dislocation of his index (guiding) finger on his throwing hand in late
preseason 2009, yet played through it for several games in early 2009.

Orton has shown to be viewed as a leader in his locker room, evidenced by
having been elected team captain and player representative by his
teammates.

Despite the team's 4-12 record this last year, the team's new Vice President
of Football Operations, John Elway (who ought to know QBs), had glowing
words for Orton, mentioning his record-shattering pace "until his rib injuries,"
which Orton (admittedly unwisely) played through his last couple games,
(which were obviously the reasons for his decline in production in those
two games). Elway's assessment of Orton supported that of Orton's
previous coach, who, when asked what he liked about Orton, mentioned
accuracy, good decisions, good arm, leadership, and ball security.

Indeed, before his rib injuries, Orton was playing at a Pro Bowl level, passing
at a record-shattering pace. He was ranked #2 in the league, according to
DVOA, and #6, according to DYAR. He was #1 in the league in passes of
40+ yards and #3 at 30-40 yards, so he is one of the better deep passers
in the league. His completion percentage hovered around 63%, and his QBR
was 96.0. Again, this was before his rib injuries during the last two games.

The striking thing about Orton's superlative numbers is that he did all this
without the "support" of the last-place running game AND a defense that
flirted with last place all season. Can anyone honestly deny that Orton
might be even better with a decent running game and/or decent defense?

The Broncos' asking price for Orton is a minimum of a 2nd round draft choice,
preferably in the upper half of that round. And the lucky team that lands
him will be getting him for less than he is worth. With a team that has at
least a competitive running game and defense, Orton may become a
franchise QB.

It would behoove that team to grab Orton before the Broncos change their
mind.



Now, don't anyone go and try to tear down this analysis if you want a
decent value in return for Orton . . . http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thannoyed-1.gif



:D



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This should be on the Broncos official site. Hopefully there is a team dumb enough to believe it and pony up a 2nd rounder for Kyle. That would be a damn nice victory for the Broncos.

GEM
01-31-2011, 11:34 AM
Funny....but still haven't seen the proof of this....and nothing agianst GEM. But where is the lipreader? What was the context?

See, for all your measly jabs at Orton *or me*, you don't have, and never will have, proof of most of what you're regurgitating.

But you and your ilk are still funny, like 'Lil Abner. :lol:

I've said it more than enough times for you to read Rc, perhaps like usual, you read what you want to read, come back with your 5 word retort of absolute horseshit. I saw what I saw. Believe it if you want, don't if you don't want. I could give a shit less.

We're done.

GEM
01-31-2011, 11:36 AM
Just another case of judgment without having all the facts. It happens when
one hates a person . . . or on the other side of it, has a crush on him.

All they have is, "We're done." Nothing else. So they interpret it their own
way, instead of admitting they don't have all the facts. Anything to bash.
Facts do not matter . . .

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Just an FYI, Top. I don't hate Orton. I am happy he isn't the starter, but that has nothing to do with him as a person. It has to do with him as a player. I just don't think he is all that good.

So...please refrain from putting the hate moniker on me. I haven't been one of those who put the "Orton lover" moniker on you.

GEM
01-31-2011, 11:38 AM
I disagree, top. they don't even have "we're done", all they have is GEM saying she lip read it. no context, no actual confirmation of this supposed event...in other words...nothing.

now, I'm not saying GEM is lying or making it up, just pointing out that it's lip reading. unless GEM is deaf or CIA trained, I'm going to be pretty skeptical about her (or anyone's) lip reading abilities.

sorry GEM, don't get mad: elephant shoes.

See 2 posts above this one...

We're done.

vandammage13
01-31-2011, 11:53 AM
Brady Quinn: "Now I'm Done"
Kyle Orton: "We're Done"

And Kyle invited Quinn to Vegas....Coincidence?..I think not.

BroncoStud
01-31-2011, 12:14 PM
Brady Quinn: "Now I'm Done"
Kyle Orton: "We're Done"

And Kyle invited Quinn to Vegas....Coincidence?..I think not.

Hopefully for Kyle he wins more often at the tables than he does as the Broncos starting QB.

Juriga72
01-31-2011, 01:32 PM
I heard that Kyle put 1,000.00 on the Denver Bronco's to win the 2010 Super Bowl...

Just sayin

vandammage13
01-31-2011, 01:55 PM
I heard that Kyle put 1,000.00 on the Denver Bronco's to win the 2010 Super Bowl...

Just sayin

Orton must have thought Tebow was going to win the starting job in training camp.

topscribe
01-31-2011, 02:11 PM
Just an FYI, Top. I don't hate Orton. I am happy he isn't the starter, but that has nothing to do with him as a person. It has to do with him as a player. I just don't think he is all that good.

So...please refrain from putting the hate moniker on me. I haven't been one of those who put the "Orton lover" moniker on you.

Neither did I put the hate moniker on you, unless you can show me that I
quoted you with that post. You only revealed what you read his lips as saying,
although you made the error of interpreting those two words. It was others
who took off on that and made a great big deal over it. But I never once
accused you personally of being an Orton "hater."

You used the same prejudgment on me that you used on those two words
that you lip-read.



I've said it more than enough times for you to read Rc, perhaps like usual, you read what you want to read, come back with your 5 word retort of absolute horseshit. I saw what I saw. Believe it if you want, don't if you don't want. I could give a shit less.

We're done.

Although I don't doubt that you saw what you saw, I agree that you did
not see enough. So I, too, have to ask, "What was the context?" Because,
without the actual context, those two words could mean many different
things.

P.S. I would be asking the same question if I hated the player's guts. Fair
is fair, no matter who it is . . .

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Juriga72
01-31-2011, 02:31 PM
Neither did I put the hate moniker on you, unless you can show me that I
quoted you with that post. You only revealed what you read his lips as saying,
although you made the error of interpreting those two words. It was others
who took off on that and made a great big deal over it. But I never once
accused you personally of being an Orton "hater."

You used the same prejudgment on me that you used on those two words
that you lip-read.




Although I don't doubt that you saw what you saw, I agree that you did
not see enough. So I, too, have to ask, "What was the context?" Because,
without the actual context, those two words could mean many different
things.

P.S. I would be asking the same question if I hated the player's guts. Fair
is fair, no matter who it is . . .

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This is utter nonsense crap...... "What context was it"... It was us getting the crap beat out of us... THATS the contex.

Questioning others/ medical reports/ team releases as being "Just to cover he got benched for poor play" is what you do.. BUT by god if anyone even speaks ill of your favorite player.... Then they must be "mis-remembering"..

BroncoStud
01-31-2011, 02:40 PM
How did Gem make an error of interpreting those two words as Orton muttered them?

If he gave up, he gave up, context or not. I don't care if we are down by 30, giving up is unacceptable, especially from the QB position.

topscribe
01-31-2011, 02:47 PM
How did Gem make an error of interpreting those two words as Orton muttered them?

If he gave up, he gave up, context or not. I don't care if we are down by 30, giving up is unacceptable, especially from the QB position.

You are being short-sighted, probably because of your dislike for Orton.
Again, without the context in which those words were uttered, you have no
clue as to the meaning that those two words carried with them. None. Zip.
Zilch. Nada. I've been over this before, but apparently any explanation just
amounts to so many keystrokes with some people . . .

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GEM
01-31-2011, 02:56 PM
Neither did I put the hate moniker on you, unless you can show me that I
quoted you with that post. You only revealed what you read his lips as saying,
although you made the error of interpreting those two words. It was others
who took off on that and made a great big deal over it. But I never once
accused you personally of being an Orton "hater."

You used the same prejudgment on me that you used on those two words
that you lip-read.




Although I don't doubt that you saw what you saw, I agree that you did
not see enough. So I, too, have to ask, "What was the context?" Because,
without the actual context, those two words could mean many different
things.

P.S. I would be asking the same question if I hated the player's guts. Fair
is fair, no matter who it is . . .

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That's the unfortunate thing that happens a lot in sports. You don't get the "whole" story. So what you are left with is bits and pieces and opinions. When you see enough of a type of behavior it is no longer bits and pieces but more of a pattern. Different people have different levels of acceptable. My level of tolerance is different than yours. For me, Orton has surpassed that level of acceptance of his off field antics. For you, he hasn't. You could sit here and name a hundred things and it probably wouldn't change my opinion, just like if I were to do the same, you wouldn't either. :shrugs:

BroncoStud
01-31-2011, 02:57 PM
You are being short-sighted, probably because of your dislike for Orton.
Again, without the context in which those words were uttered, you have no
clue as to the meaning that those two words carried with them. None. Zip.
Zilch. Nada. I've been over this before, but apparently any explanation just
amounts to so many keystrokes with some people . . .

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In that given context, what other meaning could Orton have intended? "It's over"... :elefant:

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01-31-2011, 02:58 PM
In that given context, what other meaning could Orton have intended? "It's over"... :elefant:

Please review my posts. I gave examples. Or maybe you don't want to.

Doesn't matter to me . . . :coffee:

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GEM
01-31-2011, 03:00 PM
Please review my posts. I gave examples. Or maybe you don't want to.

Doesn't matter to me . . . :coffee:

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See, that's the problem. For some the 2 words are what they are. For others, there has to be more to it.

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01-31-2011, 03:03 PM
That's the unfortunate thing that happens a lot in sports. You don't get the "whole" story. So what you are left with is bits and pieces and opinions. When you see enough of a type of behavior it is no longer bits and pieces but more of a pattern. Different people have different levels of acceptable. My level of tolerance is different than yours. For me, Orton has surpassed that level of acceptance of his off field antics. For you, he hasn't. You could sit here and name a hundred things and it probably wouldn't change my opinion, just like if I were to do the same, you wouldn't either. :shrugs:

I have seen people make general references to "off field antics," but few, if
any, specific examples, other than what they interpret certain behaviors
mean to them -- which, as I have implied before, can be jaded by a like or
dislike of a certain player.

My opinion is not easily changed without facts. And I earnestly try to look
past my favor or aversion toward another individual. In that respect, I have
stood up for players I didn't personally like and criticized those I did. And I
haven't seen any facts here. Sorry.

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01-31-2011, 03:04 PM
See, that's the problem. For some the 2 words are what they are. For others, there has to be more to it.

Absolutely.

For those who are not inclined to prejudgment, which can lead to error, which
can damage a person's image or reputation, there has to be more to it. Even
though such an error is an "honest" mistake, it can be as damaging as an
outright lie.

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GEM
01-31-2011, 03:09 PM
Absolutely.

For those who are not inclined to prejudgment, which can lead to error, which
can damage a person's image or reputation, there has to be more to it. Even
though such an error is an "honest" mistake, it can be as damaging as an
outright lie.

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In this context...that is absolute bullshit. Sorry Top. Like or dislike...I don't want to see any player on my team mouth those words on the field. I would feel the same if it were Champ Bailey who I absolutely adore.