Cutler - torn MCL

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Just reported on 87.7 the ticket

[Buff]

Obviously I can't stand the guy, but I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many people are crucifying him when they wouldn't be able to play with a hang nail.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

After a fair bit of speculation, it's now officially a "report": Jay Cutler has a torn MCL, according to one Chicago writer.

That writer is the Chicago Sun-Times' Bears beat reporter, Sean Jensen, who tweets that he's been informed Cutler's got an MCL tear, but how bad it is is still unknown.

I'm told Cutler has an MCL tear, and they are determining grade.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/24/1953090/jay-cutler-injury-torn-mcl

[GEM]

Yet....Rivers played on a torn ACL. :shrugs: I was more upset to see Hanie sitting on the sideline with his nose in the book and Cutler sitting next to him doing absolutely nothing to help him out than him not playing.

If you can't play, I get it...but you can help a 3rd string guy out. His mouth wasn't torn.

[Mike]

Did anyone really expect the report to say anything less?

[BroncoNut]

Yet....Rivers played on a torn ACL. :shrugs: I was more upset to see Hanie sitting on the sideline with his nose in the book and Cutler sitting next to him doing absolutely nothing to help him out than him not playing.

If you can't play, I get it...but you can help a 3rd string guy out. His mouth wasn't torn.

It took me a while to dig through that, but good point.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Yet....Rivers played on a torn ACL. :shrugs: I was more upset to see Hanie sitting on the sideline with his nose in the book and Cutler sitting next to him doing absolutely nothing to help him out than him not playing.

If you can't play, I get it...but you can help a 3rd string guy out. His mouth wasn't torn.

I'll give him a little pass on that, the cameras weren't on him the whole time. But yea, I can see your point, every time the camera was on him he wasn't talking to a teammate or cheering them on, he just had a faraway look in his eyes. But that is Jay, he is like that most of the time.

Still doesn't change the fact that he was terrible in the first half. When the Packers came out of the gates and scored that first TD, I thought it was going to fall on Cutler to keep up, and I wanted to see if he could do it. After the first half I thought there was no way, even though the Bears defense started playing very well. The 3rd stringer looked more comfortable playing than Cutler did.

[TXBRONC]

Yet....Rivers played on a torn ACL. :shrugs: I was more upset to see Hanie sitting on the sideline with his nose in the book and Cutler sitting next to him doing absolutely nothing to help him out than him not playing.

If you can't play, I get it...but you can help a 3rd string guy out. His mouth wasn't torn.

At least he didn't whine "We're done."

[Mike]

At least he didn't whine "We're done."

One does not disqualify the other. Both are indicators of the lack of leadership.

[Lonestar]

Yet....Rivers played on a torn ACL. :shrugs: I was more upset to see Hanie sitting on the sideline with his nose in the book and Cutler sitting next to him doing absolutely nothing to help him out than him not playing.

If you can't play, I get it...but you can help a 3rd string guy out. His mouth wasn't torn.



But then it is for the team. Right.

I thought I saw him say. It's over when hanie asked for help. But then my lip reading is not what it usedto be. :laugh:
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[BroncoNut]

I'll give him a little pass on that, the cameras weren't on him the whole time. But yea, I can see your point, every time the camera was on him he wasn't talking to a teammate or cheering them on, he just had a faraway look in his eyes. But that is Jay, he is like that most of the time.

Still doesn't change the fact that he was terrible in the first half. When the Packers came out of the gates and scored that first TD, I thought it was going to fall on Cutler to keep up, and I wanted to see if he could do it. After the first half I thought there was no way, even though the Bears defense started playing very well. The 3rd stringer looked more comfortable playing than Cutler did.

would you say that in general, Jay is distant and aloof?

[OrangeHoof]

A torn MCL is entirely consistent with what went on. He could stand on it and walk on it with relatively little pain but it doesn't feel right if you try to bend or extend. And if you're the Bears, you don't send him back into the game with all the potential for further injury.

The difference in Sunday's game was that Rodgers had pass protection and the Bears QBs didn't. It didn't matter which QB was under center, he wasn't getting time to set up and throw. That explains all the wounded ducks that were thrown.

[GEM]

But then it is for the team. Right.

I thought I saw him say. It's over when hanie asked for help. But then my lip reading is not what it usedto be. :laugh:
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JR....if you don't believe that Orton said what he said, you have every right to your opinion. I saw what I saw. Instead of continually bringing that up in every thread you post in, how about you go hate on Cutler and Shanahan some more.

Orton sucks because he has no athletic ability. Cutler sucks because he has no heart.

Move along and post another brilliant Jay George comment.

[BigDaddyBronco]

would you say that in general, Jay is distant and aloof?

Pretty much. It's hard for him to find people to back him due to his body language, the way he treats the media, etc. If it had been Peyton Mannin or Drew Brees the media would have siad it was sad that he was so horribly injured and that he was crushed that he couldn't continue.

He is being treated somewhat unfairly, but it looks pretty bad when you stink it up in the first half, then don't play in the second half and nobody can pinpoint when he got hurt.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I am going to somewhat throw a curve in this, by asking the following, because I don't know.

Jay is a diabetic - and I have read some say just give him a cortisone shot for the pain and throw him back out there. Could that have thrown off his insulin level, as he wears a pump during the games?

[BigDaddyBronco]

JR....if you don't believe that Orton said what he said, you have every right to your opinion. I saw what I saw. Instead of continually bringing that up in every thread you post in, how about you go hate on Cutler and Shanahan some more.

Orton sucks because he has no athletic ability. Cutler sucks because he has no heart.

Move along and post another brilliant Jay George comment.
I don't hate on Orton much because he really tries to get the most out of his talent, he is just limited. He is also a moper and not a leader, but he isn't in the same class as Cutler. Cutler pisses me off so much because he does have the talent, but not the personality to be great.

[BroncoNut]

I am going to somewhat throw a curve in this, by asking the following, because I don't know.

Jay is a diabetic - and I have read some say just give him a cortisone shot for the pain and throw him back out there. Could that have thrown off his insulin level, as he wears a pump during the games?

I have no idea

[GEM]

I don't hate on Orton much because he really tries to get the most out of his talent, he is just limited. He is also a moper and not a leader, but he isn't in the same class as Cutler. Cutler pisses me off so much because he does have the talent, but not the personality to be great.

I don't hate Orton either. He's just not a great QB or leader.

I don't like Cutler for the same reason, plus he's just not a real likeable guy. I like a QB to be spirited, I like a QB who has a passion to win. Hell, if I didn't hate Rivers for being a Sparkler, I'd say he has all the qualities that I like in a QB. :lol:

[Nomad]

Pretty much. It's hard for him to find people to back him due to his body language, the way he treats the media, etc. If it had been Peyton Mannin or Drew Brees the media would have siad it was sad that he was so horribly injured and that he was crushed that he couldn't continue.

He is being treated somewhat unfairly, but it looks pretty bad when you stink it up in the first half, then don't play in the second half and nobody can pinpoint when he got hurt.

Listening to players on 1st and 10 like Heath Evans and John Richey and Derrick Brooks, they're questioning his leadership on the sidelines more than anything, but also using Brees and Rivers as the standard when a QB has played with a tear.

Skip Bayless is making every excuse for Cutler but as a poster said in another thread, 'what do people know when they haven't put on pads in the NFL'!!

[BigDaddyBronco]

I don't hate Orton either. He's just not a great QB or leader.

I don't like Cutler for the same reason, plus he's just not a real likeable guy. I like a QB to be spirited, I like a QB who has a passion to win. Hell, if I didn't hate Rivers for being a Sparkler, I'd say he has all the qualities that I like in a QB. :lol:
Rivers has the facial expression thing and he is a Charger, but other than that I would love for him to be the Broncos QB.

[BroncoNut]

Rivers has the facial expression thing and he is a Charger, but other than that I would love for him to be the Broncos QB.

why don't you 2 get a room

[dogfish]

why don't you 2 get a room

with rivers. . . JFC!



:huh:

[BroncoNut]

with rivers. . . JFC!



:huh:

oh, who did I mean? bdb and gem, they have been going back and forth for a page on quality qbs :dur:

[BigDaddyBronco]

why don't you 2 get a room
I don't think that would work. He loves Hardwick I have heard.

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How in hell did Orton find his way into this thread?

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[dogfish]

How in hell did Orton find his way into this thread?

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apparently rivers brought him in. . . .


:huh:

[chazoe60]

How in hell did Orton find his way into this thread?

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Well dogfish is in here so Kyle probably smelled the booze.

[GEM]

How in hell did Orton find his way into this thread?

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Top, people can bring up Orton in Cutler conversations. They can bring Orton up whenever they want. You don't need to run in and save him...it's ok if some don't like Orton like you do.

Does he have you on his payroll for Cap'n SaveanOrton?

:D

[Buff]

Top, people can bring up Orton in Cutler conversations. They can bring Orton up whenever they want. You don't need to run in and save him...it's ok if some don't like Orton like you do.

Does he have you on his payroll for Cap'n SaveanOrton?

:D

I'm surprised Ravage isn't in here sticking up for Cutler.

[silkamilkamonico]

I am going to somewhat throw a curve in this, by asking the following, because I don't know.

Jay is a diabetic - and I have read some say just give him a cortisone shot for the pain and throw him back out there. Could that have thrown off his insulin level, as he wears a pump during the games?

Yes. People die of diabetic shock. You don't ---- with type 1 diabetes.

[GEM]

I'm surprised Ravage isn't in here sticking up for Cutler.

I think Rav wears a Cutler Cape. :lol:

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Yes. People die of diabetic shock. You don't ---- with type 1 diabetes.

So, are you saying that with him being a diabetic, a cortisone shot was out of the question, or anything for pain would have been out of the question?

The reason I brought it up in the first place is that in the papers, on line, on the radio, etc., they are bringing up athletes who have torn their MCL, and continued to play. I am sure they did so with pain killers, shots, etc. Was this not appropriate for Jay, since he is diabetic?

[LawDog]

I am going to somewhat throw a curve in this, by asking the following, because I don't know.

Jay is a diabetic - and I have read some say just give him a cortisone shot for the pain and throw him back out there. Could that have thrown off his insulin level, as he wears a pump during the games?

Carol,

Jay doesn't wear the pump during games. I'm a type 1 diabetic, and I've had knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus. Prior to my surgery I had a cortisone injection to see if the additional lubrication, etc. would allow my knee to heal enough to avoid surgery. The cortisone shot sent my blood sugars absolutely through the roof, as was predicted by my endocrinologist and the ortho doc. You can mitigate it somewhat by injecting additional insulin, but that will start you on a roller coaster that could easily result in severe hypoglycemia - something that you absolutely do not want, especially during a pro football game - because it is much less predictable than injecting insulin to cover the carbs you eat.

So, I'm guessing that cortisone was not real high on the list of options for Jay and the Bears medical staff.

Great question though.

[BORDERLINE]

Cutler , torn MCL, and a broken glass V**....

all jokes aside even it's it was only a sprain do you guys believe da bears would have said anything else.

How bad would that have made Cutler look

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Carol,

Jay doesn't wear the pump during games. I'm a type 1 diabetic, and I've had knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus. Prior to my surgery I had a cortisone injection to see if the additional lubrication, etc. would allow my knee to heal enough to avoid surgery. The cortisone shot sent my blood sugars absolutely through the roof, as was predicted by my endocrinologist and the ortho doc. You can mitigate it somewhat by injecting additional insulin, but that will start you on a roller coaster that could easily result in severe hypoglycemia - something that you absolutely do not want, especially during a pro football game - because it is much less predictable than injecting insulin to cover the carbs you eat.

So, I'm guessing that cortisone was not real high on the list of options for Jay and the Bears medical staff.

Great question though.

I ask Nate (the guy who is on the ticket now) the same thing, and he said that Jay does wear a pump during the games.

[silkamilkamonico]

So, are you saying that with him being a diabetic, a cortisone shot was out of the question, or anything for pain would have been out of the question?

The reason I brought it up in the first place is that in the papers, on line, on the radio, etc., they are bringing up athletes who have torn their MCL, and continued to play. I am sure they did so with pain killers, shots, etc. Was this not appropriate for Jay, since he is diabetic?

A cortisone shot directly affects the blood composition of an individual, and whether it would have directly affected his blood sugar or not, IMHO it would have been irresponsibility from the medical staff to just give him a cortisone shot and let him play.

Whether he was wearing a pump or not, no trained medical professional is going to do something that is going to directly affect the blood composition of a type 1 diabetic without closely observing and moitoring his blood sugar. They couldn't do that when he's out on the field playing. They would be medically liable for anything that happened.

[LawDog]

I ask Nate (the guy who is on the ticket now) the same thing, and he said that Jay does wear a pump during the games.

I say that only because it was reported that he did not wear it when he was first diagnosed while still in Denver. Also, there isn't a real need to wear it during the game because the pump doesn't administer insulin in an automatic reaction to blood sugar level. The way they work is that you calculate what you are about to eat and punch it into the the meter on the pump. The pump then provides insulin based on predetermined factors to cover the food you eat. Plus, the way the pump attaches to the injection site and the pump controller itself could be compromised during the phsyicality of the game. He may wear it, but I strongly doubt it. In any event, the pump wouldn't create or prevent any issue with respect to the impact on blood sugars due to cortisone.

[Watchthemiddle]

I expected the report to say nothing less.

Like Gem said, atleast help out your teamates...councel the 3rd stringer. Don't sit there like you can't wait for the game to get over so you can get to the bar.

He didn't even cheer on the sidelines. I remember when Farve hurt his knee this year and was on the sideline, he atleast hoped around on one leg and smiled. I guess that is the difference between a leader and a poser.

Jay after the game "um they kind of pulled me". He needs to be more sure than KIND OF

[Denver Native (Carol)]

A cortisone shot directly affects the blood composition of an individual, and whether it would have directly affected his blood sugar or not, IMHO it would have been irresponsibility from the medical staff to just give him a cortisone shot and let him play.

Whether he was wearing a pump or not, no trained medical professional is going to do something that is going to directly affect the blood composition of a type 1 diabetic without closely observing and moitoring his blood sugar. They couldn't do that when he's out on the field playing. They would be medically liable for anything that happened.

So, even though I get accused of doing nothing but bashing Jay, it sounds like all of the things out there - "he gave up on his team", "he should just have continued to play", other athletes, sportscasters, fans, etc. calling him down, are not realistic, as, because he is a diabetic, there is nothing that the medical staff could have done, to enable him to continue playing, other than him going out there without any treatment, and gutting it out, which I can't believe any of these other athletes people are bringing up, did, without receiving medical treatment for the pain, swelling, etc, before they reentered the game. If this is accurate, it is very unfair the things others are saying about him in regards to the game yesterday.

[Juriga72]

Yet....Rivers played on a torn ACL. :shrugs: I was more upset to see Hanie sitting on the sideline with his nose in the book and Cutler sitting next to him doing absolutely nothing to help him out than him not playing.

If you can't play, I get it...but you can help a 3rd string guy out. His mouth wasn't torn.

Gem....

A couple of things..... I am listening to the Chicago Sports talk show ( WSCR-670AM) on the web right now...... They had people calling in saying YES.... Cutler WAS helping out with Hanie on the sidelines. OF course they did not show it either.....

Now for the ACL- Rivers had gotten treatment for it and had practiced with it torn. Learning how to run with it all week... and knowing it was bad.

19/37 277 yards o td and 2 int... MAYBE they would have been better with Volek in there......LOL


Cutler was getting chased down left and right, and now with a hurt knee.... He would look like Orton out there. He ( from reports) got a shot at halftime ( thats why he left early to the lockeroom and came back out last) tried it for one series.

YES.. he played like crap before he got hurt... BUT thinking that someone else might do a better job than him hurt...... I would rather have him on the bench than anything like Kyle "Toughing it out" like he did against KC and Arizona

[Nomad]

So, even though I get accused of doing nothing but bashing Jay, it sounds like all of the things out there - "he gave up on his team", "he should just have continued to play", other athletes, sportscasters, fans, etc. calling him down, are not realistic, as, because he is a diabetic, there is nothing that the medical staff could have done, to enable him to continue playing, other than him going out there without any treatment, and gutting it out, which I can't believe any of these other athletes people are bringing up, did, without receiving medical treatment for the pain, swelling, etc, before they reentered the game. If this is accurate, it is very unfair the things others are saying about him in regards to the game yesterday.

There's a news conference on ESPN about Cutler in 15 minutes!! If this is the case then the doctors will give this answer. I don't have diabetes and won't pretend to know what affects medicine does to someone with the disease. It'll be alot more understanding if this is the case, but other than a type III tear will people excuse Jay and I'm going by what players and coaches are saying!!!

[silkamilkamonico]

So, even though I get accused of doing nothing but bashing Jay, it sounds like all of the things out there - "he gave up on his team", "he should just have continued to play", other athletes, sportscasters, fans, etc. calling him down, are not realistic, as, because he is a diabetic, there is nothing that the medical staff could have done, to enable him to continue playing, other than him going out there without any treatment, and gutting it out, which I can't believe any of these other athletes people are bringing up, did, without receiving medical treatment for the pain, swelling, etc, before they reentered the game. If this is accurate, it is very unfair the things others are saying about him in regards to the game yesterday.

I think people are going to have their opinions on him regardless. I do think he has a cold and sitant persona which is why he's targeted more. I.e, when Manning or Brady are yelling and getting in their teammates faces, they are labeled as leaders. When Cutler does it he's labeled as a crying, selfish, blaming everyone else and not being accountable QB.

IMHO nobody should be argung the cortisone shot route, that's just ignorant and irresponsbile. I can see why someone would want to argue he just isn't tough and didn't want to play through pain in a close game of the biggest game of his life.

I look at it like this. We know Cutler isn't a *****. he's taken hit after hit in his career and he gets back up and doesn't miss signifcant games. I don't care if Rivers or anyone else played on a tear and Cutler couldn't, he's playing in a cold environment that's terrible for injuries, he's getting mugged on every play, and he has some serious torque when he throws that I would imagine would either be extremely painful on his leg every time, or just wouldn't allow him to do it.

I love watching Cutler play, and I can't stand Cutler as a person. I certainly do not blame him for not finishing out the game yesterday under the circumstances.

[Nomad]

Lovie Smith just said it's a sprain not a tear!!

[BigDaddyBronco]

Um. Ok. Either way, he was hurting his team by playing. We all saw the first half. The Bears fans are going to go nuts over this.

[Slick]

Um. Ok. Either way, he was hurting his team by playing. We all saw the first half. The Bears fans are going to go nuts over this.

So are the Bronco fans for some reason.

[Foochacho]

As someone who has played injured and fully tore my acl, and partially tearing my mcl and pcl. I see no reason why he couldn't of toughed it out for the game. I walked around and practiced with three tears in my knee for two weeks before seeing a specialist and finding the tears. The schools trainer told me it was just a bruised knee so I kept trying to play through it each practice eventually realizing it was more than that. I wasn't very affective while injured playing the offensive line, because it hurt the worse when bent down putting pressure on it. But I had could run around no problem, not 100 percent but effective enough to play Qb if needed. Now I did all this with out a shot in my knee so I wonder why Jay couldn't tough it out for a big game like this?

Brett Favre along with many other qb's would of toughed it out or at least gave a better effort. Jay wouldn't being getting all this crap if he tried to tough it out a little longer. He came in one series looked fine no limp from what I saw. If he was getting murdered back there after the injury I could see sitting out but that wasn't the case. His attitude is being spotlighted even more and emo face is going to have a hard time overcoming it.

[BigDaddyBronco]

So are the Bronco fans for some reason.
Just the ones who are annoyed with the Bronco fans who still cries about trading Cutler.

Guilty as charged.

[Foochacho]

Lovie Smith just said it's a sprain not a tear!!

Hahaha if I was urlacher I would kick cutler in his double chin.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Hahaha if I was urlacher I would kick cutler in his double chin.

Now that is funny. :laugh:

[LordTrychon]

It's funny, because I've seen Rivers referenced a number of times (not as much here) for playing on a bum knee...

Everyone remembers him playing on it... nobody remembers he actually didn't finish the game he was injured in. He had a minor corrective surgery that week to allow him to play the AFCCG... but he wasn't able to finish the week he was actually injured.

[BroncoNut]

that is pretty funny foochacho

[broncogirl7]

I expected the report to say nothing less.

Like Gem said, atleast help out your teamates...councel the 3rd stringer. Don't sit there like you can't wait for the game to get over so you can get to the bar.

He didn't even cheer on the sidelines. I remember when Farve hurt his knee this year and was on the sideline, he atleast hoped around on one leg and smiled. I guess that is the difference between a leader and a poser.

Jay after the game "um they kind of pulled me". He needs to be more sure than KIND OF

This is not known for a fact. The camera was not on Jay the entire game so we cannot know his every moment/movement.

[jhildebrand]

I get tired of Deion questioning people's toughness when the guy was softer than a kleenex playing DB! He will acknowledge as much proudly with his proclamation that it was a "business decision."

Cutler though now realizes Chicago is a 9 and that 9 works both ways.

As for Rivers, he sat out a game he was injured in and allowed to get surgery. Ladanian sat out with a hip flexor!

[Buff]

It's funny, because I've seen Rivers referenced a number of times (not as much here) for playing on a bum knee...

Everyone remembers him playing on it... nobody remembers he actually didn't finish the game he was injured in. He had a minor corrective surgery that week to allow him to play the AFCCG... but he wasn't able to finish the week he was actually injured.

That's exactly what I was going to point out. Apples/oranges to play on an injury that has been fully evaluated and you've had time to prepare to play on it vs. one that just happened.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

That's exactly what I was going to point out. Apples/oranges to play on an injury that has been fully evaluated and you've had time to prepare to play on it vs. one that just happened.

And, with one that just happened, that was my point in asking the question, since he is diabetic, was the medical staff very limited in what they could give him for pain/swelling, so he could finish the game. If so, the only other option was "gutting it out". I would imagine there are some who would have "gutted it out", or past/current players who have "gutted it out". Maybe that is more what is upsetting the fans, etc.

[LordTrychon]

And, with one that just happened, that was my point in asking the question, since he is diabetic, was the medical staff very limited in what they could give him for pain/swelling, so he could finish the game. If so, the only other option was "gutting it out". I would imagine there are some who would have "gutted it out", or past/current players who have "gutted it out". Maybe that is more what is upsetting the fans, etc.

Or fans are used to seeing players 'gut it out'... with help from painkillers that Cutler couldn't take.

FWIW... Cutler did want to gut it out, and the coaching staff told him no.

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Or fans are used to seeing players 'gut it out'... with help from painkillers that Cutler couldn't take.

FWIW... Cutler did want to gut it out, and the coaching staff told him no.

Surely was the opportunity Cutler's detractors were looking for, though, wasn't it?

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I get tired of Deion questioning people's toughness when the guy was softer than a kleenex playing DB! He will acknowledge as much proudly with his proclamation that it was a "business decision."

Cutler though now realizes Chicago is a 9 and that 9 works both ways.

As for Rivers, he sat out a game he was injured in and allowed to get surgery. Ladanian sat out with a hip flexor!

Deion? Toughness? That guy couldn't beat himself out of a wet dream . . .

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[tubby]

Mods, please change the title of this thread to.......

Cutler – torn uterus

:rimjob:

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Mods, please change the title of this thread to.......

Cutler – torn uterus

:rimjob:

Please refer to Post #56.

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[Watchthemiddle]

Or fans are used to seeing players 'gut it out'... with help from painkillers that Cutler couldn't take.

FWIW... Cutler did want to gut it out, and the coaching staff told him no.

I have heard different reports..torn, sprained..etc. Maybe it's one or the other.

So, if Phyllis can tough it out, Orlandis Gary can play a game at RB for the broncos with a TORN ACL, Jay can gut it out.

To your FWIW line, maybe the coaches did hold him out because of how bad he was playing in the biggest game of his life.

Good job on Hanie for actually being competitive. IT's funny at how once he came in, the team actually had energy. Jay does not bring that to this team.

He has always been knocked around the league for his lack of leadership skills/abilities and that is what I hear today as why he was being bashed so much and still is.

Derrick Brooks was one of the biggest bashers yesterday on twitter. He was on the BVP show a few minutes ago backing up his statements. He was not questioning his toughness, but his demeanor and lack of leadership...as one who is titled the franchise QB, you are automatically labelled that. He praised Urlacker for standing up to the podium and backing his teamate. That is what leaders do. And if they are hurt and can't play, they are involved and lead in different ways from the sidelines. Jay does not lead on or off the field. It's well documented.

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So, if Phyllis can tough it out, Orlandis Gary can play a game at RB for the broncos with a TORN ACL, Jay can gut it out.

To your FWIW line, maybe the coaches did hold him out because of how bad he was playing in the biggest game of his life.


Well, that is what Jay thought, apparently, that he could gut it out. So it
wasn't Jay's decision. And it may be that the injury was making Jay ineffective
since he said he couldn't plant his foot to pass. That would certainly do it . . .

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[Juriga72]

It's funny, because I've seen Rivers referenced a number of times (not as much here) for playing on a bum knee...

Everyone remembers him playing on it... nobody remembers he actually didn't finish the game he was injured in. He had a minor corrective surgery that week to allow him to play the AFCCG... but he wasn't able to finish the week he was actually injured.

NOR do they remember Rivers sucking it up... with two picks and a 12-20 loss

But hey..... ANY moron can say " I played jr high band with a torn ACL"

He didn't have Clay Mathews chasing his arse down either...

[Juriga72]

Well, that is what Jay thought, apparently, that he could gut it out. So it
wasn't Jay's decision. And it may be that the injury was making Jay ineffective
since he said he couldn't plant his foot to pass. That would certainly do it . . .

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He left the game early at half to get a shot ( WSCR-670am Chicago Zac Zademan Bears guy), and then played one series after the half...

Dude tried..after watching him get chased down all first half. Yes he played a crappy game...

You did notice that Hanie looked good because I'm sure Green bay didnt spend too much time on his "tape"......LOL

[Watchthemiddle]

Well, that is what Jay thought, apparently, that he could gut it out. So it
wasn't Jay's decision. And it may be that the injury was making Jay ineffective
since he said he couldn't plant his foot to pass. That would certainly do it . . .

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My point is is that he didn't look interested since the National Anthem. He looked cold and didn't look like he wanted to be there since the first snap. So whenever he got hurt remains to be scene, but 7 offensive series, 6 punts and 1 INT.....hurt or not, that stinks.

Also, did the coaches and training staff hide his helmet?? How many times do we hear that they do that when a player is fighting to get back into the game? We hear that over and over. DId we see Jay icing it? On crutches? Hear anything about the shot? His adrenaline should have been so high that he didn't even feel the pain, but it wasn't because he was not in the game from the start.

That is why when the 3rd stringer came in, the team had energy. Look at what happened when Jay was out a week with a concussion this year....they went off in the game he was out. It's funny at how actions sometimes speak louder than words.

[Watchthemiddle]

He left the game early at half to get a shot ( WSCR-670am Chicago Zac Zademan Bears guy), and then played one series after the half...

Dude tried..after watching him get chased down all first half. Yes he played a crappy game...

You did notice that Hanie looked good because I'm sure Green bay didnt spend too much time on his "tape"......LOL

Well he didn't try hard enough for the NFCCG and that is why hall of famers, pro bowlers past and present, coaches, players, his peers, media, and fans are bashing him.

It's pretty sad when your own peers who would give anything to be playing in that game call you out.

[dogfish]

you'd think watching the guy lose would ease some of the lingering butthurt, but clearly it's as strong as ever. . . .

[Northman]

JR....if you don't believe that Orton said what he said, you have every right to your opinion. I saw what I saw. Instead of continually bringing that up in every thread you post in, how about you go hate on Cutler and Shanahan some more.

Orton sucks because he has no athletic ability. Cutler sucks because he has no heart.

Move along and post another brilliant Jay George comment.

At least i wasnt the only one catching those cheap shots. :lol:

[topscribe]

My point is is that he didn't look interested since the National Anthem. He looked cold and didn't look like he wanted to be there since the first snap. So whenever he got hurt remains to be scene, but 7 offensive series, 6 punts and 1 INT.....hurt or not, that stinks.

Also, did the coaches and training staff hide his helmet?? How many times do we hear that they do that when a player is fighting to get back into the game? We hear that over and over. DId we see Jay icing it? On crutches? Hear anything about the shot? His adrenaline should have been so high that he didn't even feel the pain, but it wasn't because he was not in the game from the start.

That is why when the 3rd stringer came in, the team had energy. Look at what happened when Jay was out a week with a concussion this year....they went off in the game he was out. It's funny at how actions sometimes speak louder than words.

That is one thing I could never figure out: How others think they can figure
out a player by how he looks. I don't remember seeing much more than an
ounce of emotion from either Bart Starr or Johnny Unitas all throughout their
careers. How did that work out?

And then there was Tom Landry who coached the Cowboys for about 100
years. I wouldn't be surprised if they had to send medics out at halftime to
make sure he had a pulse.

But how do we know what kind of conversation Jay had with the coaches
over whether he should come back it. Was Jay miked? Was any of us privy
to it?

I just think that some of us are jumping to conclusions and then turning them
into a representation of fact . . .

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[Northman]

Carol,

Jay doesn't wear the pump during games. I'm a type 1 diabetic, and I've had knee surgery to repair a torn meniscus. Prior to my surgery I had a cortisone injection to see if the additional lubrication, etc. would allow my knee to heal enough to avoid surgery. The cortisone shot sent my blood sugars absolutely through the roof, as was predicted by my endocrinologist and the ortho doc. You can mitigate it somewhat by injecting additional insulin, but that will start you on a roller coaster that could easily result in severe hypoglycemia - something that you absolutely do not want, especially during a pro football game - because it is much less predictable than injecting insulin to cover the carbs you eat.

So, I'm guessing that cortisone was not real high on the list of options for Jay and the Bears medical staff.

Great question though.


Good answer and great question by Carol as i had not thought of that senario.

[Watchthemiddle]

Calling Jay the next Jeff George or saying Jay George or Jeff Cutler is an insult to Jeff George.

I wonder who will be the next Jay Cutler?? I hear High School musical might make a 4th movie...maybe he can go audition:laugh:

[broncogirl7]

I don't care what anyone says, Cutler is a franchise quarterback. He took the shot and staff said no. He's on an insulin pump and that shot could spin his blood sugar out of control that could cost him his life. The coaching staff made a wise decision.

[Watchthemiddle]

That is one thing I could never figure out: How others think they can figure
out a player by how he looks. I don't remember seeing much more than an
ounce of emotion from either Bart Starr or Johnny Unitas all throughout their
careers. How did that work out?

And then there was Tom Landry who coached the Cowboys for about 100
years. I wouldn't be surprised if they had to send medics out at halftime to
make sure he had a pulse.

But how do we know what kind of conversation Jay had with the coaches
over whether he should come back it. Was Jay miked? Was any of us privy
to it?

I just think that some of us are jumping to conclusions and then turning them
into a representation of fact . . .

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Exactly...how did that work out?? They won championships and are legends. They were leaders, raised the level of play from those around him. Had respect around the league from opposing players and FANS. Jay possesses non of that, and it is becoming more and more clear. The Nation saw first hand yesterday the lack of leadership, teamate, and heart from Cutler that many of us have talked about for years.

What really caught me off guard, was Jay's post game press conference. The statement that speaks volumes for me was "um..they kind of held me out". So they KIND of did and you chose to not fight it, or the KIND OF DID and you had no say? They KIND of pulled me or held me out does not sound like they were 100% convinced he couldn't play.

Like I said before, where was the fight? Where was the video tape of the staff hiding his helmet so he couldn't go back in? No where. THe only tape is of him keeping to himself with his smug look.

[topscribe]

I don't care what anyone says, Cutler is a franchise quarterback. He took the shot and staff said no. He's on an insulin pump and that shot could spin his blood sugar out of control that could cost him his life. The coaching staff made a wise decision.

Well, as it was pointed out, Jay doesn't use the pump during games. However,
you did hit on a good point: Everybody's situation is different. It is really unfair
to say, "Well so-and-so did it, so he can." That is not necessarily true of
about anything in life . . .

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[BigDaddyBronco]

you'd think watching the guy lose would ease some of the lingering butthurt, but clearly it's as strong as ever. . . .
I don't think as many Bronco fans would give a crap if we didn't have so many people who became so unglued after we traded him. It's the old "I told you so" routine.

[GEM]

Elway played his entire professional career with no ACL...just saying...

Cutler thinks he has the stronger arm...but Elway kicks his ass in tough mothertrucker dept. :lol:

[Northman]

Elway played his entire professional career with no ACL...just saying...

How could you tell? I could never get past the teeth.

[Watchthemiddle]

I don't care what anyone says, Cutler is a franchise quarterback. .

Which is exactly why his peers around the league are piling on. He is supposed to raise the level of play of those around him...whether he is on or off the field. He did not do that. He just stood there on the sidelines with his hands in his pockets.

Adrenaline in the NFCCG should be so high that you don't even feel the pain....especially if you have a shot. Rodgers got lit up, looked seriously dazed and was not the same for the rest of the game after he took his shot to the head. Was he standing on the sidelines as the franchise QB with his hands in his pockets?? No, he kept fighting.

Perception in todays world outweighs reality. It doesn't matter what the "reality" of the entire situation was, Jay has built up this perception that does not allow him to get much support around the league. It's pretty sad when guys he has never even played with jump on him. It's also sad that there is NO players he has previously played with are coming to his defense. WHere is Marshall, Sheffler, Hillis, etc coming to his defense?? No where

[GEM]

How could you tell? I could never get past the teeth.

I'll take the teeth over the triple chin blubber. :shocked:

[topscribe]

Exactly...how did that work out?? They won championships and are legends. They were leaders, raised the level of play from those around him. Had respect around the league from opposing players and FANS. Jay possesses non of that, and it is becoming more and more clear. The Nation saw first hand yesterday the lack of leadership, teamate, and heart from Cutler that many of us have talked about for years.

What really caught me off guard, was Jay's post game press conference. The statement that speaks volumes for me was "um..they kind of held me out". So they KIND of did and you chose to not fight it, or the KIND OF DID and you had no say? They KIND of pulled me or held me out does not sound like they were 100% convinced he couldn't play.

Like I said before, where was the fight? Where was the video tape of the staff hiding his helmet so he couldn't go back in? No where. THe only tape is of him keeping to himself with his smug look.

Now you're jumping on Jay's use of terminology. "Kind of" is a common
expression among young people. I've heard my granddaughter use it.

Another case regarding demeanor was our own Shanahan -- about the only
time I saw much emotion from him was when the Broncos won championships
and Super Bowls. And I've already mentioned Landry -- another legend.

And you made my point. Starr and Unitas are legends, HOFers. A quiet
demeanor is not necessarily a sign of lack of leadership. Yet it has been used
to denigrate both Cutler and Orton.

I just don't buy that. Cutler had enough leadership to quarterback the Bears
to the NFC Championship game.

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[Juriga72]

Calling Jay the next Jeff George or saying Jay George or Jeff Cutler is an insult to Jeff George.

I wonder who will be the next Jay Cutler?? I hear High School musical might make a 4th movie...maybe he can go audition:laugh:

Seriously...... You have to be the most ignorant person.

"Kyle played hurt!!!!!" and cost us TWO games because he couldn't PLAY

"Phillip Rivers played HURT!!!!" AND cost them the AFC Championship game by throwing TWO picks....LOSING 12-20

"Culter sucked!!!!!! They had 6 punts in 7 drives!!!!!"
2nd "Drive"...
1st-10, CHI16 4:49 Chicago committed 5 yard penalty
1st-15, CHI11 4:49 M. Forte rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
2nd-12, CHI14 4:12 M. Forte rushed to the left for 6 yard gain
3rd-6, CHI20 3:29 J. Cutler sacked by C. Jenkins and C. Matthews

Hmmmm a VERY Orton like drive.

3rd "drive"
Chicago - 0:22
1st-10, CHI2 0:22 M. Forte rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
2nd Quarter
Chicago continued
2nd-8, CHI4 15:00 J. Cutler incomplete pass down the middle
3rd-8, CHI4 14:55 M. Forte rushed to the left for 2 yard loss

2 runs- one pass

TWO DRIVES- 1 pass att/ 1 sack..."CUTLER SUCKS!!!!!"

4th "drive!!!!!"

1st-10, CHI34 11:08 J. Cutler passed to J. Knox to the left for 24 yard gain
1st-10, GB42 10:38 J. Cutler incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, GB42 10:33 J. Cutler passed to C. Taylor to the right for 12 yard gain
1st-10, GB30 9:50 J. Cutler incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, GB30 9:44 Chicago committed 11 yard penalty
2nd-21, GB41 9:17 J. Cutler rushed to the left for 9 yard gain
3rd-12, GB32 8:31 J. Cutler rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
4th-11, GB31 7:40 B. Maynard punt, touchback
Green Bay - 7:40

ALL Jay right there...... 2-4 for 36 yards- 10 yards rushing.....
He leads them to the FREAKING 31 yard line and they punt it....FOR a touchback......

"CUTLER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

5th drive-
1st-10, CHI11 4:17 J. Cutler incomplete pass to the right Gets hurt
2nd-10, CHI11 4:11 Green Bay committed 5 yard penalty
1st-10, CHI16 4:06 J. Cutler incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, CHI16 3:59 M. Forte rushed to the left for 14 yard gain
1st-10, CHI30 3:25 M. Forte rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, CHI31 2:46 J. Cutler passed to M. Forte down the middle for 2 yard gain
3rd-7, CHI33 2:00 J. Cutler sacked by S. Shields. J. Cutler fumbled. M. Forte recovered fumble
4th-17, CHI23 1:44

So he has a tear in his MCL here... yeah he sucked it up here.

On the int, Knox just watches to guy pick it..... and kinda just brushes him down at the 2....

Seriously.... You should have watched the game before going on about how bad Jay played..

I dont hear you talking about Smith punting twice while at the Green Bay 31, both of those were touchbacks.

[Northman]

I'll take the teeth over the triple chin blubber. :shocked:


Well, yea of course. But the story isnt finished with blubber boy.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Mark Schlereth
ESPN Analyst
"As a guy how had 20 knee surgeries you'd have to drag me out on a stretcher to Leave a championship game!"


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1101/cutler.criticism/content.10.html#ixzz1BzS800Lw

[Juriga72]

Elway played his entire professional career with no ACL...just saying...

Cutler thinks he has the stronger arm...but Elway kicks his ass in tough mothertrucker dept. :lol:

True... John Elway set the record for "Largest loss EVER in a Super Bowl..." with no ACL....LOL

Again.... The radio guy Zademan is saying that "while I was on the sidelines yesterday, Jay Cutler was yelling at Lovie Smith when he put Todd Collins in..."

hmmmmmm maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. IMHO

[Denver Native (Carol)]

WELL - just found the following:


Jay Cutler took his wounded knee to Mastro's Steakhouse in River North on Sunday night after the Chicago Bears' 21-14 loss to the Green Bay Packers in the NFC Championship Game. Cutler and girlfriend Kristin Cavallari were joined by 11 others iin Mastro's private dining room upstairs.

The Tribune's David Kaplan reports that Cutler was a generous tipper, leaving an extra $500 on top of the usual 20 percent of the bill. Cutler dined on the second floor of the restaurant and sources said that while he was limping, he did take the stairs and not the elevator.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/cutler-cavallari-dine-at-mastros-after-playoff-loss.html

[Watchthemiddle]

Now you're jumping on Jay's use of terminology. "Kind of" is a common
expression among young people. I've heard my granddaughter use it.

Another case regarding demeanor was our own Shanahan -- about the only
time I saw much emotion from him was when the Broncos won championships
and Super Bowls. And I've already mentioned Landry -- another legend.

And you made my point. Starr and Unitas are legends, HOFers. A quiet
demeanor is not a sign of lack of leadership. Yet it has been used to denigrate
both Cutler and Orton.

I just don't buy that. Cutler had enough leadership to quarterback the Bears
to the NFC Championship game.

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LOL....my daughters use "kind of" also...but it's usually when they are NOT SURE of the answer or confident in their answer.

Quiet demeanor is a great trait. To name another would be Tony Dungy. I have the same trait...quiet by nature. I don't knock someone for having the quiet demeanor. However, there is a difference between quiet leadership and arrogance, I am too good for you, I EXPECT you to meet MY needs. That is the perception Jay has brought on himself because of fact and some rumors.

Also, Cutler did not lead that team to the NFCCG. The defense led that team the same way the Ravens D led them to a Super Bowl victory. Jay played this season as a game manager. Nothing more nothing less.

[Northman]

WELL - just found the following:



http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/cutler-cavallari-dine-at-mastros-after-playoff-loss.html

And who say's he isnt tough?

[jhildebrand]

I have heard different reports..torn, sprained..etc. Maybe it's one or the other.

:lol: A sprain is a tear! :lol:

The degree (1st, 2nd, or 3rd) indicates severity. Obviously you want to hate on the guy no matter what yet don't know the basics. :rolleyes:

[GEM]

True... John Elway set the record for "Largest loss EVER in a Super Bowl..." with no ACL....LOL

Again.... The radio guy Zademan is saying that "while I was on the sidelines yesterday, Jay Cutler was yelling at Lovie Smith when he put Todd Collins in..."

hmmmmmm maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. IMHO

He also won 2. ;)

[Watchthemiddle]

Seriously.... You should have watched the game before going on about how bad Jay played..

.

How many points did the Cutler led offense generate? A big fat GOOSE EGG!!!

Wow that is a stellar performance in the biggest game of his life from a "franchise" QB. :banghead:

[Juriga72]

Mark Schlereth
ESPN Analyst
"As a guy how had 20 knee surgeries you'd have to drag me out on a stretcher to Leave a championship game!"


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1101/cutler.criticism/content.10.html#ixzz1BzS800Lw

Mark Schlearth also thinks "Kyle Orton will lead the Denver Broncos to the playoffs this year (2010)!!!!"

BTW..... The MRI results are a "MCL grade II tear"-Grade II MCL Tear
Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.



Hmmmmmm "Pain and swelling is more signifigant"..... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[topscribe]

LOL....my daughters use "kind of" also...but it's usually when they are NOT SURE of the answer or confident in their answer.

Quiet demeanor is a great trait. To name another would be Tony Dungy. I have the same trait...quiet by nature. I don't knock someone for having the quiet demeanor. However, there is a difference between quiet leadership and arrogance, I am too good for you, I EXPECT you to meet MY needs. That is the perception Jay has brought on himself because of fact and some rumors.

Also, Cutler did not lead that team to the NFCCG. The defense led that team the same way the Ravens D led them to a Super Bowl victory. Jay played this season as a game manager. Nothing more nothing less.

Notice, I said Cutler quarterbacked the Bears to the championship. You said "lead."

But the "facts" I have seen have always been mixed. For instance, Urlacher,
who punked Cutler a year ago in the press, heatedly stood up for him this
time, calling him a "tough son of a bitch." That is just one example . . .

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[jhildebrand]

So when Orton said "I don't comment on other player's performances" and some of us pointed out his refusal to do anything but mope on the bench many posters told us to lay off. Some of those same posters are now trying to play the other side of the fence with Cutler.

R-I-C-H

[BigDaddyBronco]

He also won 2. ;)

And won 5 AFC Championships. :cool:

[topscribe]

So when Orton said "I don't comment on other player's performances" and some of us pointed out his refusal to do anything but mope on the bench many posters told us to lay off. Some of those same posters are now trying to play the other side of the fence with Cutler.

R-I-C-H

Point noted.

Now, :focus:

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[Watchthemiddle]

WELL - just found the following:



http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/cutler-cavallari-dine-at-mastros-after-playoff-loss.html

I heard he DID take the elevator down because he was TANKED!!!! :laugh:

[BigDaddyBronco]

I heard he DID take the elevator down because he was TANKED!!!! :laugh:

I wonder how he handled that with his diabetes. Maybe he should have just had the cortisone shot instead. :D

[Watchthemiddle]

Notice, I said Cutler quarterbacked the Bears to the championship. You said "lead."

But the "facts" I have seen have always been mixed. For instance, Urlacher,
who punked Cutler a year ago in the press, heatedly stood up for him this
time, calling him a "tough son of a bitch." That is just one example . . .

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Quarterbacked is a fair statement....not lead.

I was going to mention the Urlacher thing how he called him out a year ago, and not stood up for him. But that is what leaders do.

[Juriga72]

And won 5 AFC Championships. :cool:

How many Super Bowls did he win without T-D???:coffee:

[topscribe]

WELL - just found the following:



http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/cutler-cavallari-dine-at-mastros-after-playoff-loss.html

Unfortunately, there is no staircase on the football field. The issue was he could
not plant his foot to pass. I can see where he might be able to take some steps
yet not be able to plant his foot to pass.

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[GEM]

And won 5 AFC Championships. :cool:

I wonder if it was common for him to mope on the sidelines? :lol:

I'm sorry....I shouldn't do that. These are the feelings I have had on Cutler for quite awhile. This episode may be over exaggerated, but it's just created more of the same questions I have had for awhile.

Yes, I do question his passion.
Yes, I do question his leadership skills.
Yes, I do have issues with Cutler the person that leads to low opinion of Cutler the quarterback.

I don't define it as fact. It's my OPINION.

[topscribe]

Quarterbacked is a fair statement....not lead.

I was going to mention the Urlacher thing how he called him out a year ago, and not stood up for him. But that is what leaders do.

The point is, Urlacher not only stood up for Cutler, but he did it with passion.

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[GEM]

How many Super Bowls did he win without T-D???:coffee:

You are seriously going to question Elway while sticking up for Cutler?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! :D

[pnbronco]

I don't think as many Bronco fans would give a crap if we didn't have so many people who became so unglued after we traded him. It's the old "I told you so" routine.

This is pretty much how I feel. Jay was on the front page of the paper that he was going to be in the championship game, but not Rogers. So we get it's kind of a constant "told you so", if you're a Bronco fan.

Was working so I didn't get to watch any of that game, so I was shocked when I saw this strange name on the internet that playing QB. Would not want Jay to take a long term health risk if the shots would do that. However would like to know that he's doing his part and stop drinking but haven't heard that yet either.

[Lonestar]

JR....if you don't believe that Orton said what he said, you have every right to your opinion. I saw what I saw. Instead of continually bringing that up in every thread you post in, how about you go hate on Cutler and Shanahan some more.

Orton sucks because he has no athletic ability. Cutler sucks because he has no heart.

Move along and post another brilliant Jay George comment.



Absolutely no sense of humor I guess. Just trying to have some fun. Since all the jay bois are going into melt down.
Thought it was pay back time for all the "fun" everyone was having because I do not think josh in the scum of the earth.

But I guess what is good for the gander is nitgood for the goose.
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[topscribe]

This is pretty much how I feel. Jay was on the front page of the paper that he was going to be in the championship game, but not Rogers. So we get it's kind of a constant "told you so", if you're a Bronco fan.

Was working so I didn't get to watch any of that game, so I was shocked when I saw this strange name on the internet that playing QB. Would not want Jay to take a long term health risk if the shots would do that. However would like to know that he's doing his part and stop drinking but haven't heard that yet either.

That's a very good point. I might wonder that, too . . .

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[Timmy!]

http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/wp-content/uploads/cutlerdartsjpg-thumb-400x394-13462.jpg

[Devilspawn]

Cutler or anyone, the player of today is softer than the Man of yesteryear. I compare Cutler to that quarterback who in college had his teammates carry him to the huddle each play because he couldn't walk. I forgot who it was but I think he played for Jacksonville. Not Garrard but the guy before him, I can't remember his name.

[GEM]

Absolutely no sense of humor I guess. Just trying to have some fun. Since all the jay bois are going into melt down.
Thought it was pay back time for all the "fun" everyone was having because I do not think josh in the scum of the earth.

But I guess what is good for the gander is nitgood for the goose.
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You've been in Shanahan/Cutler meltdown for 2 years now...

[GEM]

Cutler or anyone, the player of today is softer than the Man of yesteryear. I compare Cutler to that quarterback who in college had his teammates carry him to the huddle each play because he couldn't walk. I forgot who it was but I think he played for Jacksonville. Not Garrard but the guy before him, I can't remember his name.

Byron Leftwich.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Cutler or anyone, the player of today is softer than the Man of yesteryear. I compare Cutler to that quarterback who in college had his teammates carry him to the huddle each play because he couldn't walk. I forgot who it was but I think he played for Jacksonville. Not Garrard but the guy before him, I can't remember his name.

Leftwich was pretty tough that game.

[MNPatsFan]

BTW..... The MRI results are a "MCL grade II tear"-Grade II MCL Tear
Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.



Hmmmmmm "Pain and swelling is more signifigant"..... HmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmWell I would hope and think that the pain and swelling associated with a Grade II injury is more significant than that associated with a Grade I injury.:D

Similarly, the pain and swelling associated with a Grade III injury is more significant than that associated with a Grade II injury.;)

[Lonestar]

I'm surprised Ravage isn't in here sticking up for Cutler.

There is no way to justify sticking up for jay just one more time he bailed on his team.

But he has had a thing for him since before the draft and has hated anyone not cutler since.

All about people getting a room. :laugh:
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[Devilspawn]

Byron Leftwich.

Yes thanks I saw his face but couldn't remember his name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-jzYMSiNHQ

[Devilspawn]

Cutler has diabetes. Does that even come into play?

[BigDaddyBronco]

Cutler has diabetes. Does that even come into play?

I guess cortisone shots eff you up if you have the sugarbeetus.

[Northman]

Cutler has diabetes. Does that even come into play?

Evidently it does. I never knew that so that could of had a major impact on whether he could return or not.

[Devilspawn]

I guess cortisone shots eff you up if you have the sugarbeetus.
Where's Wilford Brimley when you need him?! He has all the diabitis answers!

[G_Money]

Hilarious thread.

I find it fascinating that a supposed lack of toughness is going to be a defining moment in Cutler's career. This from a guy who got pounded for 4 years at Vandy due to an overwhelmed and inept line, has had the same experience for 2 years in Chicago, and only misses games that the medical staff refuses to clear him for.

I can understand questioning his leadership skills, his media skills, his attitude, his coachability...

But toughness? Jay, son of a bricklayer, has always prided himself on blue-collar toughness. Ironic that this will go down in his obituary as defining his lack of it.

You'd almost think he was still a Bronco though, as much as this apparently matters to Bronco nation.

Here's hoping Tebow can be the tough leader that neither Orton nor Cutler have managed to convince anyone they are. Being a good player would be nice too.

~G

[sneakers]

Wasn't it the coaches who pulled him? If he did it in the second quarter, and he went all half time and came out the second half...

[Slick]

Some of you guys are embarrassing yourselves.

[sneakers]

Some of you guys are embarrassing yourselves.

This happens quite often around here.

[Buff]

Where's Wilford Brimley when you need him?! He has all the diabitis answers!

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[jhildebrand]

I dont recall people questioning his toughness after 9 sacks against the Giants and a concussion when his O line was making like a levee in Hurrican Katrina!

He came back from that and led his team to the NFCG. Yet that doesn't get mentioned :rolleyes:

I am not a Cutler fan but at least try to keep it fair/real.

[silkamilkamonico]

1 - Finding happiness in bagging on other teams, because our team asbolutely sucks and is in shambles? ...check

2 - bagging on our own QB, even though he has been a model citizen to the entire community in giving back, only because our team sucks? ...check

3 - tearing down former players and laughing at their injury even though they made the NFCCG and our organization SUCKS? ...check


Thanks to threads like these, we are officially the current version of the old shitty, Oakland Raider fanbase.

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The Denver Broncos suck. They blow dogshit in the NFL. We are fans of arguably the worst team in the NFL this year. I wouldn't be bagging on anybody from another NFL team right now.

[Buff]

1 - Finding happiness in bagging on other teams, because our team asbolutely sucks and is in shambles? ...check

2 - bagging on our own QB, even though he has been a model citizen to the entire community in giving back, only because our team sucks? ...check

3 - tearing down former players and laughing at their injury even though they made the NFCCG and our organization SUCKS? ...check


Thanks to threads like these, we are officially the current version of the old shitty, Oakland Raider fanbase.

The Denver Broncos suck. They blow dogshit in the NFL. We are fans of arguably the worst team in the NFL this year. I wouldn't be bagging on anybody from another NFL team right now.

I'm not going to sink to that level. That's why I take the high road and make fun of people for their medical condition(s).

[BroncoTech]

I've questioned Jay's leadership and throwing decisions but never his toughness.

I don't really question any NFL QB's toughness, I've seen too many stand in there for the last second waiting for the open man and then get creamed. We all saw Vince Young trying to get into a game he was injured in and basically get cut over it. So as much as I enjoy watching Cutty get creamed if he says he couldn't plant and throw with it that's good enough for me.

[LordTrychon]

I'm not going to sink to that level. That's why I take the high road and make fun of people for their medical condition(s).

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[chazoe60]

I am not a Cutler apologist, in fact I don't like the smarmy little punk, but this is ridiculous. We are making fun of him for getting hurt in a Championship game while we sit and wait to pick second in the draft.

We just had to endure 29 games of one of the most unwatchable, boring ass QBs I have ever seen in Orton and now were smacking Cutler around for getting hurt in the NFCCG. How pathetic must we look from any other perspective?

I'd rather watch that punk ass Cutler lead the Broncos to championship games than watch the loser we've been watching for the majority of the last two seasons.

Now, with that rant out of the way I am now just looking at what might be in the future. So, here's to Tebow taking us to some championship games and doing with class and energy.

[claymore]

The Cutler prejudice is amazing. How many other players were hurt yesterday and didnt come back?

[Nomad]

Must be alot of prejudice against Cutler from NFL players, former coaches and players!! They're the ones who have the credibility that I'm getting opinions from!!

[chazoe60]

Must be alot of prejudice against Cutler from NFL players, former coaches and players!! They're the ones who have the credibility that I'm getting opinions from!!

I'm fine with those guys talking shit, what I'm saying is that as Bronco fans we look silly and petty talking so much junk about the guy as we sit by and wait to pick second in the draft.

[Buff]

The Cutler prejudice is amazing. How many other players were hurt yesterday and didnt come back?

Yes, but to be fair, the other players aren't penises in every other facet of their lives.

[Nomad]

I'm fine with those guys talking shit, what I'm saying is that as Bronco fans we look silly and petty talking so much junk about the guy as we sit by and wait to pick second in the draft.

If he didn't quit on the BRONCOS then I'd agree!! Actually, it was players who incited this bashing of Cutler!!

[topscribe]

1 - Finding happiness in bagging on other teams, because our team asbolutely sucks and is in shambles? ...check

2 - bagging on our own QB, even though he has been a model citizen to the entire community in giving back, only because our team sucks? ...check

3 - tearing down former players and laughing at their injury even though they made the NFCCG and our organization SUCKS? ...check


Thanks to threads like these, we are officially the current version of the old shitty, Oakland Raider fanbase.

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The Denver Broncos suck. They blow dogshit in the NFL. We are fans of arguably the worst team in the NFL this year. I wouldn't be bagging on anybody from another NFL team right now.

I got your point, Silk, but that picture is hilarious! :lol:

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[Lonestar]

And, with one that just happened, that was my point in asking the question, since he is diabetic, was the medical staff very limited in what they could give him for pain/swelling, so he could finish the game. If so, the only other option was "gutting it out". I would imagine there are some who would have "gutted it out", or past/current players who have "gutted it out". Maybe that is more what is upsetting the fans, etc.

The bears are nota finesse team they have been hard nosed since Halas. Founded them a gazillion years ago. So it is realeasy for d
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[dogfish]

I wonder if it was common for him to mope on the sidelines? :lol:


enh. . . plenty of greats and champions have looked dejected or hung their heads coming off the field over the years. . . and the cameras catch everything. . .


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hell, i don't even like cutler that much-- i fully expected him to fold yesterday, and agree that he's brought a lot of avoidable criticism on himself with his detached attitude. . .

never understood the complaints about his sideline demeanor, though. . . maybe my memory is foggy, but i don't really remember john doing more on the sideline than sitting on the bench or talking with shanahan. . . if he was constantly huddling everyone up and rallying the troops, i musta missed it. . .

sure, tebow's antics are great, but most of the all-time greats didn't do that much of that stuff. . . somebody find me photos of joe montana firing up his D-linemen on the sideline. . .

[Tned]

I think I am going to have to buck the trend and say "Thank you Jay"

Thanks for letting us debate whether or not you're 'tough' enough following your injury in the NFC Championship game -- the game that's one away from the Super Bowl. Your injury has let us momentarily:


Forget that only Carolina finished with a worse record than our beloved Broncos.
Forget that for all practical purposes we were out of the playoff hunt by our mid-season bye week -- if not before.
Forget that coach McDaniels trashed the team and then was kicked out the door before the season even ended.
Forget that the arch rival Raiders fell only 2 points short of scoring 100 points combined in the two matchups
Forget that even though we gave up our fourth round pick, Maroney really showed promise in those three games he played in -- before he was thrown in jail.
Forget that whole Hillis trade
Forget...... Hey, it worked, we've forgotten the rest.


:salute: Jay's knee, thanks for helping us forget

[claymore]

Yes, but to be fair, the other players aren't penises in every other facet of their lives.

I dont see how you could possibly judge that.

[broncobryce]

Tebow runs for 20 yard TD with broken leg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQWaQkArpE

[atwater27]

That is one thing I could never figure out: How others think they can figure
out a player by how he looks. I don't remember seeing much more than an
ounce of emotion from either Bart Starr or Johnny Unitas all throughout their
careers. How did that work out?

And then there was Tom Landry who coached the Cowboys for about 100
years. I wouldn't be surprised if they had to send medics out at halftime to
make sure he had a pulse.

But how do we know what kind of conversation Jay had with the coaches
over whether he should come back it. Was Jay miked? Was any of us privy
to it?

I just think that some of us are jumping to conclusions and then turning them
into a representation of fact . . .
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For some here, that is their code of honor.

[broncobryce]

I can't believe some will dawg our own team just to make Quitler look better. What is your favorite team again?

[dogfish]

I dont see how you could possibly judge that.

dude, buff is an expert judge of penises. . .

that's just common knowledge. . . .

[atwater27]

I don't think as many Bronco fans would give a crap if we didn't have so many people who became so unglued after we traded him. It's the old "I told you so" routine.

Who told who so? We suck without Jay. The Bears are a deep playoff team with Jay. They weren't before Jay. They weren't with Kyle Orton. Those are facts that not even JR, WTM, or any of the Jay bashers can spin or refute.

[claymore]

dude, buff is an expert judge of penises. . .

that's just common knowledge. . . .

/Thread :laugh:

[Buff]

I dont see how you could possibly judge that.

Just let us hate Jhey Cutler in peace. He is to me as McDaniels is to you.

[Tned]

I can't believe some will dawg our own team just to make Quitler look better. What is your favorite team again?

With witty names like "Quitler", I am sure you are one of the people that called out our own players that got hurt in games, came out of the game, and then minutes after the game were Tweeting about their big weekend plans, party they were going to or other fun stuff -- right?

[Buff]

dude, buff is an expert judge of penises. . .

that's just common knowledge. . . .

You're thuch a thilly gooth thometimeth.

[Buff]

With witty names like "Quitler", I am sure you are one of the people that called out our own players that got hurt in games, came out of the game, and then minutes after the game were Tweeting about their big weekend plans, party they were going to or other fun stuff -- right?

Who did that? I will tear them to pieces.

[Watchthemiddle]

I think I am going to have to buck the trend and say "Thank you Jay"

Thanks for letting us debate whether or not you're 'tough' enough following your injury in the NFC Championship game -- the game that's one away from the Super Bowl. Your injury has let us momentarily:


Forget that only Carolina finished with a worse record than our beloved Broncos.
Forget that for all practical purposes we were out of the playoff hunt by our mid-season bye week -- if not before.
Forget that coach McDaniels trashed the team and then was kicked out the door before the season even ended.
Forget that the arch rival Raiders fell only 2 points short of scoring 100 points combined in the two matchups
Forget that even though we gave up our fourth round pick, Maroney really showed promise in those three games he played in -- before he was thrown in jail.
Forget that whole Hillis trade
Forget...... Hey, it worked, we've forgotten the rest.


:salute: Jay's knee, thanks for helping us forget

Nicely done!!! :beer:

Way to divert the thread...thats the Tned we all know and .........know

:focus:

[Watchthemiddle]

For some here, that is their code of honor.

and for some, it's pot meet kettle

:coffee:

[topscribe]

Top, people can bring up Orton in Cutler conversations. They can bring Orton up whenever they want. You don't need to run in and save him...it's ok if some don't like Orton like you do.

Does he have you on his payroll for Cap'n SaveanOrton?

:D

You seem to forget that I can also raise the question . . . :coffee:

I really have never understood someone responding to a comment by saying,
"Well, he has a right to say it," as if that comment was prohibiting that right
of the other person. The person making the comment has just as much right.
It's stupid, really.

And I am really reeeeeaaaalllllllly sick and tired of the mass misunderstanding
of my posts regarding Orton. I am treated like a troll by some because I know
some things about him others don't, and when I see something that is not
accurate or untruthful, I speak up.

I have stood up for many other players, just like I'm standing up for Cutler
here! Maybe you would prefer I just don't post since my opinions seem
anathema to you . . .

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[claymore]

Just let us hate Jhey Cutler in peace. He is to me as McDaniels is to you.

If I could understand why anyone hated him I would let it go.

Plummer, I can understand, Favre, man I hate that guy. Cutler... I just dont see what he has done to deserve this.

[Tned]

Nicely done!!! :beer:

Way to divert the thread...thats the Tned we all know and .........know

:focus:

:lol: WTM, the drive by baiter is going to call me out for being off topic. :laugh: Oh no, I'm laughing so hard I think I think I have costochondral separation.

[Watchthemiddle]

I can't believe some will dawg our own team just to make Quitler look better. What is your favorite team again?

that my friend is OUR fraud.

Glad I am not the only who notices.

[BigDaddyBronco]

If I could understand why anyone hated him I would let it go.

Plummer, I can understand, Favre, man I hate that guy. Cutler... I just dont see what he has done to deserve this.
You are blinded by your man crush.

You combine Plummer and Favre and take away any of their accomplishments and you have Cutler.

[atwater27]

1 - Finding happiness in bagging on other teams, because our team asbolutely sucks and is in shambles? ...check

2 - bagging on our own QB, even though he has been a model citizen to the entire community in giving back, only because our team sucks? ...check

3 - tearing down former players and laughing at their injury even though they made the NFCCG and our organization SUCKS? ...check


Thanks to threads like these, we are officially the current version of the old shitty, Oakland Raider fanbase.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/tbag112004/arr.jpg

The Denver Broncos suck. They blow dogshit in the NFL. We are fans of arguably the worst team in the NFL this year. I wouldn't be bagging on anybody from another NFL team right now.

Post of the month. Right on silky.

[Buff]

If I could understand why anyone hated him I would let it go.

Plummer, I can understand, Favre, man I hate that guy. Cutler... I just dont see what he has done to deserve this.

Well, just like McDaniels there is a laundry list of character flaws, but here is what it boils down to for me:

His ego is bigger than his skill set. He forced his way out of Denver because of his sense of entitlement and immaturity.

He is a born loser.

[claymore]

You are blinded by your man crush.

You combine Plummer and Favre and take away any of their accomplishments and you have Cutler.

Those are legitimitely bad people, that quit on their teams. Proven bad people.

[Watchthemiddle]

If I could understand why anyone hated him I would let it go.

Plummer, I can understand, Favre, man I hate that guy. Cutler... I just dont see what he has done to deserve this.

1.Cutler BEGGED to be traded...from the BRONCOS

2.He dogged the Bronco fans...YOU AND ME...(not those who dog the broncos in order to prove a Cutler point...those peeps are frauds..)

3.He has been overrated since he came into the league

Point one and two...BOOM. What else do you need.

Do you live here? Does most people on this forum live in Denver? maybe 50/50...the city who knows him best hates him.....all of you outsiders love him.

that's fine, but now he has two major football cities hating him....and If i was him, I would rather Denver hating me than Chi town...and now Chi town hates him.

Fact. Chicago does not let the BLIND lead the BLIND...they can see the obvious. As does some of us in Denver.

[Tned]

Well, just like McDaniels there is a laundry list of character flaws, but here is what it boils down to for me:

His ego is bigger than his skill set. He forced his way out of Denver because of his sense of entitlement and immaturity.

He is a born loser.

Ok, you keep throwing out the names Cutler and McDaniels. I'm assuming the above bolded portion is referring to McDaniels or am I wrong and you were talking about Cutler.

[claymore]

Well, just like McDaniels there is a laundry list of character flaws, but here is what it boils down to for me:

His ego is bigger than his skill set. He forced his way out of Denver because of his sense of entitlement and immaturity.

He is a born loser.

I guess I expect the maturity to reside in the front office and not with the 24 year old kids.

Kids do stupid shit.

[Buff]

I guess I expect the maturity to reside in the front office and not with the 24 year old kids.

Kids do stupid shit.

And it should have. But that doesn't give him a free pass to act like an entitled douche. He is fully grown.

[Watchthemiddle]

Those are legitimitely bad people, that quit on their teams. Proven bad people.

I was going to ask a question about Plummer but that would derail this thread and the fraud might call me out....so therefore...

carry on...i don't want to be linked with IT

[Buff]

Ok, you keep throwing out the names Cutler and McDaniels. I'm assuming the above bolded portion is referring to McDaniels or am I wrong and you were talking about Cutler.

Lots of parallels between those two.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Lots of parallels between those two.


Ego and entitlement and stupid-ass smirks, yup you nailed it.

[claymore]

1.Cutler BEGGED to be traded...from the BRONCOS

2.He dogged the Bronco fans...YOU AND ME...(not those who dog the broncos in order to prove a Cutler point...those peeps are frauds..)

3.He has been overrated since he came into the league

Point one and two...BOOM. What else do you need.

Do you live here? Does most people on this forum live in Denver? maybe 50/50...the city who knows him best hates him.....all of you outsiders love him.

that's fine, but now he has two major football cities hating him....and If i was him, I would rather Denver hating me than Chi town...and now Chi town hates him.

Fact. Chicago does not let the BLIND lead the BLIND...they can see the obvious. As does some of us in Denver.

He asked for a trade after he met McDaniels. I cant blame him. He called denver a 6 and chicago a nine. What was he supposed to say? Denver is way better than chicago?

[Buff]

1.Cutler BEGGED to be traded...from the BRONCOS

2.He dogged the Bronco fans...YOU AND ME...(not those who dog the broncos in order to prove a Cutler point...those peeps are frauds..)

3.He has been overrated since he came into the league

Point one and two...BOOM. What else do you need.

Do you live here? Does most people on this forum live in Denver? maybe 50/50...the city who knows him best hates him.....all of you outsiders love him.

that's fine, but now he has two major football cities hating him....and If i was him, I would rather Denver hating me than Chi town...and now Chi town hates him.

Fact. Chicago does not let the BLIND lead the BLIND...they can see the obvious. As does some of us in Denver.

Not only does Clay live out of state. He has admitted he doesn't even watch the games.

[topscribe]

I was going to ask a question about Plummer but that would derail this thread and the fraud might call me out....so therefore...

carry on...i don't want to be linked with IT

I know how you feel . . .

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[Tned]

I was going to ask a question about Plummer but that would derail this thread and the fraud might call me out....so therefore...

carry on...i don't want to be linked with IT

Oh, come on, risk it. You gun shy after getting permabanned from the forum linked your sig? :confused:

[Watchthemiddle]

Well, just like McDaniels there is a laundry list of character flaws, but here is what it boils down to for me:

His ego is bigger than his skill set. He forced his way out of Denver because of his sense of entitlement and immaturity.
He is a born loser.

This is all about Cutler.....from day one that McDaniels was hired he cried to Bowlen and his agent and FORCED his way out. He never even gave it a chance. McDaniels aside (because that is a different thread TNED) Cutler asked to leave. Once he was gone he bashed the fans and organization.

He has been a lifelong Bears fan. Good job. Now, lifelong Bears fans hate him and are BURNING his jersey.

How did that turn out for you Jay???

[BigDaddyBronco]

He asked for a trade after he met McDaniels. I cant blame him. He called denver a 6 and chicago a nine. What was he supposed to say? Denver is way better than chicago?

Or McDaniels wanted to trade him as soon as he met him.

[claymore]

And it should have. But that doesn't give him a free pass to act like an entitled douche. He is fully grown.

He flew back and met with Mcd. He did his part. McD was such an uber doosh he effed it up. Then the spin police took over.

[topscribe]

Oh, come on, risk it. You gun shy after getting permabanned from the forum linked your sig? :confused:

Nice. Now we are publicly talking about what has happened to posters in other
forums. How long has it been? Three, four years? :coffee:

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[Tned]

This is all about Cutler.....from day one that McDaniels was hired he cried to Bowlen and his agent and FORCED his way out. He never even gave it a chance. McDaniels aside (because that is a different thread TNED) Cutler asked to leave. Once he was gone he bashed the fans and organization.

He has been a lifelong Bears fan. Good job. Now, lifelong Bears fans hate him and are BURNING his jersey.

How did that turn out for you Jay???

I'm going to have to ask you to spell my name correctly if you are going to make me the topic of a post. It's Tned. Only the T is capitalized.

Thanks in advance for your help in this matter...

:coffee:

[Foochacho]

If I could understand why anyone hated him I would let it go.

Plummer, I can understand, Favre, man I hate that guy. Cutler... I just dont see what he has done to deserve this.

I love Plummer and hate Cutler. Bizarro world, I bet you look just like me but have blond hair and a small penis.:shocked:

[BigDaddyBronco]

He flew back and met with Mcd. He did his part. McD was such an uber doosh he effed it up. Then the spin police took over.
Don't let your hate of McD cloud your judgement. They are both uberdouches. Move on and form a new man love. I'll volunteer. :shocked:

[Tned]

Nice. Now we are publicly talking about what has happened to posters in other
forums. How long has it been? Three, four years? :coffee:

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No idea. I just know that when I clicked on the link thinking it would be some profound statement that would change my life, it said WTM was banned.

Nice of you to ask, though. :coffee:

[claymore]

Or McDaniels wanted to trade him as soon as he met him.

Maybe. I will side with Cutler every time on that one. McD was one of the worst thing thats ever happened to this organization.

[chazoe60]

Maybe. I will side with Cutler every time on that one. McD was one of the worst thing thats ever happened to this organization.

"One of"? What the Hell did I miss?

[Tned]

WOW,,,credibilty right out the door.. Is he fraud #2??? I sure hope not.

Wow, can't believe you would even post on a forum run by an "out of towner"...

Oh yea, you can't post on the other one. ;)

[Buff]

"One of"? What the Hell did I miss?

Kenny McKinley shooting himself in the face.

[claymore]

Not only does Clay live out of state. He has admitted he doesn't even watch the games.

I skipped half the McD era. BFD. I skipped alot of heartache.

[topscribe]

No idea. I just know that when I clicked on the link thinking it would be some profound statement that would change my life, it said WTM was banned.

Nice of you to ask, though. :coffee:

Yes, just thought I might. I do remember WTM coming to us three years ago
and telling us that, and admitting he was wrong over there, and saying he
would not do the same over here, and our guaranteeing him that the past does
not matter on this forum. Apparently, he hasn't because he's still here.

I don't think anyone needs that embarrassment now.

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[Buff]

I skipped half the McD era. BFD. I skipped alot of heartache.

Yeah, which means you haven't suffered as much as the rest of us and therefore our opinions are somehow more valid. :smug:

[claymore]

Yeah, which means you haven't suffered as much as the rest of us and therefore our opinions are somehow more valid. :smug:

LMAO. Good point.

[Watchthemiddle]

He flew back and met with Mcd. He did his part. McD was such an uber doosh he effed it up. Then the spin police took over.

Perhaps...the best decision McD ever made was listen to other coaches, players, management, BOWLEN and learn about Cutler and his character.

Do you (who doesn't watch the games, so you probably don't watch the press conferences) remember Bowlen when he fired Shanny??? He specifically said he makes the decisions and Cutler was his guy.

Spin spin spin.....he never liked Cutler and Cutler was not in on the decision making of the new HC. He had a man crush with Bates, he knew with MCd coming in Bates was out, so he started crying.

You know what kind of personality Bates has around the league? He can't get along with others. His "offense' made it into the playoffs with Seattle...where is Bates now?? FIRED. WHere is Cutler....boozing it up taking the stairs at some restaurant in Chicago after the game. Those two are made for each other.

So....if I want to follow an overhyped, big armed, nothing between the ears QB I will follow ............. well no one. The only QB's left in the game are winners, don't need the monster arm, just need to know how to win and lead. Jay=0% of that.

Follow him, cheer him on, support him, defend him (as some blind will) but seriously....
:coffee:

[Tned]

Yes, just thought I might. I do remember WTM coming to us three years ago
and telling us that, and admitting he was wrong over there, and saying he
would not do the same over here, and our guaranteeing him that the past does
not matter on this forum. Apparently, he hasn't because he's still here.

I don't think anyone needs that embarrassment now.

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Geez, Top. Just so I know, every time WTM does a drive by on one of my posts, and I respond, will you repeat that little holier than thou rant? Just curious... :coffee:

[BroncoNut]

your better than this.

that's enough Clay. Let it go or you can collect your wages now

[broncobryce]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/ginuwin794/cutty2.jpg

[topscribe]

Geez, Top. Just so I know, every time WTM does a drive by on one of my posts, and I respond, will you repeat that little holier than thou rant? Just curious... :coffee:

Yup, I'm the bad guy now. :coffee:

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[shank]

shouldn't the thread title be changed to "Cutler - sandy vagina"

[Tned]

Yup, I'm the bad guy now. :coffee:

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I really don't think WTM needs you to run to his rescue, or is this still about us?

Anyway, I'm out before I say something I regret.

[atwater27]

So....if I want to follow an overhyped, nothing between the ears QB :coffee:

So you have more in common with him than I thought. You might get along great!

[slim]

Obviously I can't stand the guy, but I do think it's kind of ridiculous that so many people are crucifying him when they wouldn't be able to play with a hang nail.

It seems that most of the criticism is coming from current and ex players.

That is very different than a fat, loud mouth like me doing it.

[dogfish]

Yup, I'm the bad guy now. :coffee:

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like you weren't before. . .



:elefant:

[BroncoNut]

Yup, I'm the bad guy now. :coffee:

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more importantly you are now the old guy and I'm glad you're here.

[claymore]

Perhaps...the best decision McD ever made was listen to other coaches, players, management, BOWLEN and learn about Cutler and his character.

Do you (who doesn't watch the games, so you probably don't watch the press conferences) remember Bowlen when he fired Shanny??? He specifically said he makes the decisions and Cutler was his guy.

Spin spin spin.....he never liked Cutler and Cutler was not in on the decision making of the new HC. He had a man crush with Bates, he knew with MCd coming in Bates was out, so he started crying.

You know what kind of personality Bates has around the league? He can't get along with others. His "offense' made it into the playoffs with Seattle...where is Bates now?? FIRED. WHere is Cutler....boozing it up taking the stairs at some restaurant in Chicago after the game. Those two are made for each other.

So....if I want to follow an overhyped, big armed, nothing between the ears QB I will follow ............. well no one. The only QB's left in the game are winners, don't need the monster arm, just need to know how to win and lead. Jay=0% of that.

Follow him, cheer him on, support him, defend him (as some blind will) but seriously....
:coffee:

I only missed 50% of the McDaniels era. So no need to get overly dramatic. Im completley aware of everything that happened.

Leadership starts with the front office. We had a tard 32 yo maniac in control of our team for 2 years.

That was the issue. Not a 24/25 yo kid that saw it coming before us.

[chazoe60]

Drama Queens talking about Drama Queens. :laugh:

[GEM]

Who told who so? We suck without Jay. The Bears are a deep playoff team with Jay. They weren't before Jay. They weren't with Kyle Orton. Those are facts that not even JR, WTM, or any of the Jay bashers can spin or refute.

They were in the Super Bowl just about a year or so before Jay. :confused:

[BroncoNut]

I only missed 50% of the McDaniels era. So no need to get overly dramatic. Im completley aware of everything that happened.

Leadership starts with the front office. We had a tard 32 yo maniac in control of our team for 2 years.
That was the issue. Not a 24/25 yo kid that saw it coming before us.

whose the tard now. Seriously, think about how this sentence simply does not add up. :doh:

[dogfish]

Drama Queens talking about Drama Queens. :laugh:

you shut your whore mouth!

[claymore]

It seems that most of the criticism is coming from current and ex players.

That is very different than a fat, loud mouth like me doing it.

The vast majority of the people knocking him probably voted for Obama. Just a hunch that they buy into hype and dont put any research into it.

His team mates seem to be defending him pretty heavily though.

[chazoe60]

you shut your whore mouth!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Biitch!

[Watchthemiddle]

So you have more in common with him than I thought. You might get along great!

I have two big arms...he has one....:coffee:

[slim]

The vast majority of the people knocking him probably voted for Obama. Just a hunch that they buy into hype and dont put any research into it.

His team mates seem to be defending him pretty heavily though.

I don't know. Mark Schlereth has been pretty adamant about it and if there is one guy that has a right to talk about playing injured, it is him.

[atwater27]

They were in the Super Bowl just about a year or so before Jay. :confused:

2 years. I stand corrected.

[claymore]

whose the tard now. Seriously, think about how this sentence simply does not add up. :doh:

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[Dreadnought]

Hilarious thread.

I find it fascinating that a supposed lack of toughness is going to be a defining moment in Cutler's career. This from a guy who got pounded for 4 years at Vandy due to an overwhelmed and inept line, has had the same experience for 2 years in Chicago, and only misses games that the medical staff refuses to clear him for.

I can understand questioning his leadership skills, his media skills, his attitude, his coachability...

But toughness? Jay, son of a bricklayer, has always prided himself on blue-collar toughness. Ironic that this will go down in his obituary as defining his lack of it.

You'd almost think he was still a Bronco though, as much as this apparently matters to Bronco nation.

Here's hoping Tebow can be the tough leader that neither Orton nor Cutler have managed to convince anyone they are. Being a good player would be nice too.

~G

More like pathetic, G. Possibly the single stupidest thread I have read here in three years, short of the infamous "Kyle Orton gave Blood" thread of 2009. A few posters who ought to know better have made themselves look pretty stupid and small here. So be it.

[topscribe]

I really don't think WTM needs you to run to his rescue, or is this still about us?

Anyway, I'm out before I say something I regret.

:shocked:

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[claymore]

I don't know. Mark Schlereth has been pretty adamant about it and if there is one guy that has a right to talk about playing injured, it is him.

Did he bust out anyone else for leaving the game injured yesterday?

[BroncoNut]

^ give me a second, I'll brb

[slim]

Did he bust out anyone else for leaving the game injured yesterday?

No...but both Stink and Alfred Williams seem to think that Jay quit yesterday.

Not sure if I agree with it, but both have earned the right to say it (both have played through numerous injuries).

[topscribe]

I don't know. Mark Schlereth has been pretty adamant about it and if there is one guy that has a right to talk about playing injured, it is him.

Well, you're right about Stink. But I wonder how much he took into account
that it was not Jay's decision, and that they would not let him back in even
after he told them he wanted to go back in.

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[slim]

Well, you're right about Stink. But I wonder how much he took into account
that it was not Jay's decision, and that they would not let him back in even
after he told them he wanted to go back in.

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He called BS.

Something to the effect that if a player really wants to play, they will find a way to get on the field....

[claymore]

No...but both Stink and Alfred Williams seem to think that Jay quit yesterday.

Not sure if I agree with it, but both have earned the right to say it (both have played through numerous injuries).

I didnt know they never missed games, or were pulled out of games due to injuries.

Since they didnt, I guess they do have a right.

[BroncoNut]

He called BS.

Something to the effect that if a player really wants to play, they will find a way to get on the field....

I think that's a stretch. what if a players head was ripped off? seriously, think about it

[topscribe]

He called BS.

Something to the effect that if a player really wants to play, they will find a way to get on the field....

Well, I respect Stink and all, but it apparently was still a coach's decision. If
Cutler was abiding by the wishes of one who has authority over him, my
criticism stops right there . . .

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[claymore]

...

I think he looks alot better since his very serious disease has gotten under control.

I dont think Cutler parties any harder than some other famous QB's we love.

[topscribe]

I think he looks alot better since his very serious disease has gotten under control.

I dont think Cutler parties any harder than some other famous QB's we love.

Yes, but the issue there is Cutler's diabetes, Clay. Persons with diabetes are
generally supposed to avoid the stuff.

I don't know what that has to do with his actions yesterday, though . . .

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[claymore]

Yes, but the issue there is Cutler's diabetes, Clay. Persons with diabetes are
generally supposed to avoid the stuff.

I don't know what that has to do with his actions yesterday, though . . .

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Oh I know. My moms had it for 35 years. She just takes more insulin. :shrugs"

[claymore]

I think that's a stretch. what if a players head was ripped off? seriously, think about it

I think your drunk and horny from the dog porn I posted.

[BroncoNut]

I think your drunk and horny from the dog porn I posted.

and I think you are only exactly 50% correct

[BroncoNut]

hmm

[BroncoNut]

wtf? clay leaves to go starch a sock and everyone shuts up?

[claymore]

and I think you are only exactly 50% correct

So whats up with Nut? Hows the Bunnies, the dog and work n stuff?

[slim]

hmm

Nut, did you watch the games yesterday?

I thought it was odd that none of the QB's played well.

It was all about defense yesterday.

[slim]

wtf? clay leaves to go starch a sock and everyone shuts up?

Clay is the straw that stirs the drink.

You should know that by now.

[claymore]

wtf? clay leaves to go starch a sock and everyone shuts up?

If you stop banging dogs I will stop defending Cutler. It will be a test for us both.

[topscribe]

wtf? clay leaves to go starch a sock and everyone shuts up?

I think everyone is thinking that the starched sock is going to be awfully rough on . . . um . . .




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[claymore]

I think everyone is thinking that the starched sock is going to be awfully rough on . . . um . . .




:focus:




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If you stop screwing goats I will cure diabeetas.

[BroncoNut]

So whats up with Nut? Hows the Bunnies, the dog and work n stuff?

work is going good. I'm a little more excited about it these days. working with some good folks. about finished with a manuscript, and well into the next project. Work is an escape for me. I'm getting out of the rabbits. They are just to much headache and I have weird dreams about them like I forget that I have them for months and then go out and they are eating each other. The dog is really good. I like where he's at right now. He will be 6 in march and is becoming quite a nice middle aged man. He's good company. We are about the same age now that I think about it.

[BroncoNut]

If you stop banging dogs I will stop defending Cutler. It will be a test for us both.

wait, just a little longer , hold on. O.k. done.

[claymore]

work is going good. I'm a little more excited about it these days. working with some good folks. about finished with a manuscript, and well into the next project. Work is an escape for me. I'm getting out of the rabbits. They are just to much headache and I have weird dreams about them like I forget that I have them for months and then go out and they are eating each other. The dog is really good. I like where he's at right now. He will be 6 in march and is becoming quite a nice middle aged man. He's good company. We are about the same age now that I think about it.

Im glad your done with the rabbits. We need to get you a worm farm or something.

[BroncoNut]

Im glad your done with the rabbits. We need to get you a worm farm or something.

awesome. I was worried that you were going to take it hard like you usually do

[topscribe]

If you stop screwing goats I will cure diabeetas.

After all the times I so generously let you take that goat to the mountains with you.

I don't know if I'll ever get over this, Clay . . . :tsk:

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[claymore]

After all the times I so generously let you take that goat to the mountains with you.

I don't know if I'll ever get over this, Clay . . . :tsk:

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So no deal? If it has one utter its a dick Top.

[topscribe]

This thread is fast going downhill.

It's bound either for the Lounge or the Black Hole . . .

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[atwater27]

This thread is fast going downhill.
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Like the Broncos without Shanahan and Cutler. :D

[Devilspawn]

This thread is fast going downhill.

It's bound either for the Lounge or the Black Hole . . .

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Why would you take a thread to Oakland and dump it in the middle of a bunch of fans? :confused: Top take your medicine.

[topscribe]

Why would you take a thread to Oakland and dump it in the middle of a bunch of fans? :confused: Top take your medicine.

Wut?

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[BroncoNut]

Wut?

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the black hole reference you moron

[topscribe]

the black hole reference you moron

Oh. Oakland's black hole.

I don't think I would ever do that to a thread, outside some of Beef's work . . .

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[Lonestar]

I have heard different reports..torn, sprained..etc. Maybe it's one or the other.
So, if Phyllis can tough it out, Orlandis Gary can play a game at RB for the broncos with a TORN ACL, Jay can gut it out.
To your FWIW line, maybe the coaches did hold him out because of how bad he was playing in the biggest game of his life.
Good job on Hanie for actually being competitive. IT's funny at how once he came in, the team actually had energy. Jay does not bring that to this team.
He has always been knocked around the league for his lack of leadership skills/abilities and that is what I hear today as why he was being bashed so much and still is
Derrick Brooks was one of the biggest bashers yesterday on twitter. He was on the BVP show a few minutes ago backing up his statements. He was not questioning his toughness, but his demeanor and lack of leadership...as one who is titled the franchise QB, you are automatically labelled that. He praised Urlacker for standing up to the podium and backing his teamate. That is what leaders do. And if they are hurt and can't play, they are involved and lead in different ways from the sidelines. Jay does not lead on or off the field. It's well documented.

Wonder if jAywould have backed up urlacker on the same way.
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[Lonestar]

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[BroncoNut]

Oh. Oakland's black hole.

I don't think I would ever do that to a thread, outside some of Beef's work . . .

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whose black hole where you referencing? Marv's at the clinic?

[Lonestar]

Meant to add Griese played a half or more with a separated throwing shoulder.

He did not quit on his team.
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[topscribe]

whose black hole where you referencing? Marv's at the clinic?

Isn't that what they call the garbage forum here?

I haven't kept up very well . . .

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[BroncoNut]

Isn't that what they call the garbage forum here?

I haven't kept up very well . . .

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yes it is Top.