The Fumble...new perspective for debate

[SmilinAssasSin27]

OK, I think we can all agree it was a fumble and should have been called as one. AT THE SAME TIME, we have all seen plays stopped, and bad calls, occur, because of the whistle. Doesn't make it right, just saying it's fairly common.

All that aside, this is how I look at it...The SD fans have a right to bitch. They do. HOWEVER, it was an unforced error. Our QB, facing a bit of pressure but not much, simply dropped the ball. It wasn't on a hit. he wasn't trying to pull it back due to an great play by a defender. He simply lost the grip. My basic point is that NO SD PLAYER did anything to cause the fumble, and as much of an excuse ya may have now, yer D still sux WAY worse than you expected. Had it been ruled a fumble, you'd be 1-1 just like us, but you'd still have the same issues ya do now. Merriman is gone, Cromartie looks like garbage and you have some serious issues.

Now this does work both ways. Since Cutty's first action v Seattle in 2006 he averages @ 1 botched snap/unforced fumble per game. This needs to be fixed.

Some may agree or disagree / my perspective. If ya do, feel free to discuss...

[Northman]

Im still wondering why Jay had to balls slip out of his hand today. It baffles me that he lost it like that twice in one game.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Like I said, he fumbles a LOT. I think he fumbled snaps in each of his first 4 or 5 games...and I know there were some in 2007.

[Northman]

Like I said, he fumbles a LOT. I think he fumbled snaps in each of his first 4 or 5 games...and I know there were some in 2007.

Is he squeezing the ball to hard? Injury or just sweat?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I dunno, but it scares the frick out of me. Just before he threw the INT, I was just saying..."don't fumble the snap. Don't fumble the snap."

[gobroncsnv]

One thing he could take from Jake's game is licking the hands before the snap... That would probably help. Same thing happened to Russell last week against us. Pressure's on, ball gets slicker...

[atwater27]

Yeah. the fumbling thing. Yikes. Make the best quarterback play worthless. Negates his skills. Daunte Culpepper

[Tned]

Im still wondering why Jay had to balls slip out of his hand today. It baffles me that he lost it like that twice in one game.

Elway used to have the ball pop out of his hand, especially when it was really humid/wet or raining/snowing. He used to say that it was because he gripped the ball so hard to make his bullet passes. Cutler also has an Elway like arm, it might be that he also grips the ball very hard, leading to 'pop outs'.

However, even if that is the case, it doesn't explain all the fumbled snaps and stuff.

While he hasn't lost too many, Cutler has had a LOT of fumbles in his 23 games.

[broncobryce]

Yeah, I was a little worried about that. But then the threw the TD pass and the conversion to win the game. I thought maybe he went to throw it and kinda last second tried to not throw it, so it slipped out. Because unless he was throwing it away, I didn't see anyone to throw to.

[honz]

Well he hasn't fumbled a snap yet and he has been playing "smarter" than ever this entire preseason and season. We have to remember that he is still a fairly inexperienced QB and it is hard to complain about the way he has performed so far in his first couple of seasons. I think the play today was just a fluke play that could happen to anyone and I am truly impressed by the way he responded to the INT and fumble incident. He didn't let it bother him too much and he responded by coming up with a couple of big plays to win the game for us. Cutler is a gunslinger by nature so he will make a couple of bad throws every now and then, but he also seems to have that "it" factor. He has come up big in the clutch for us many times already.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Im still wondering why Jay had to balls slip out of his hand today. It baffles me that he lost it like that twice in one game.

After the game, Jay said it's because of the dry air here.

[scott.475]

To be fair to Jay, his first many games the snapper was snapping the balls very low to Jay, I mean VERY low, so a lot of it was the fault of the snapper.

Today, if you watch the play, he actually came back from the snap with the ball in his left hand to sell the fake. When he turns back toward the camera and starts the roll out, he transitions from his left hand to his right, and it seems to me he just never got a great grip on the ball after moving it from left to right. I guess you could say he screwed up a hand-off to himself :)

[sneakers]

I thought this was "The Fumble": :confused:

http://www.benkrieger.com/benkrieger/thefumble.jpg

[scott.475]

I thought this was "The Fumble": :confused:

http://www.benkrieger.com/benkrieger/thefumble.jpg

That poor guy

[Broncolingus]

That poor guy

Mmmmmm....Sarah Palin.

http://4hillary.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/sarah-palin-vogue.jpg

[BroncoWave]

Cutler said after the game that the ball he fumbled was a new ball and that it was slick. Now that doesn't excuse the fumble but when you're used to using a worn-in ball during the drive and they slip a new one in there, you can kinda see his point.

[Northman]

Doesnt matter, you really cant blame the balls when the game is on the line. If he knew that going in then he needs to take better care of it. He got lucky the first time he fumbled and it still doesnt excuse his bad judgement when he threw the INT earlier in another drive. The kid is great and has a lot of upside but he still has a lot to learn and get under control. We just got more lucky bounces today than bad ones.

[BroncoWave]

Doesnt matter, you really cant blame the balls when the game is on the line. If he knew that going in then he needs to take better care of it. He got lucky the first time he fumbled and it still doesnt excuse his bad judgement when he threw the INT earlier in another drive. The kid is great and has a lot of upside but he still has a lot to learn and get under control. We just got more lucky bounces today than bad ones.

I'm not saying it excuses it, but it does shed some light on why the fumble occurred. Personally I was more pissed about his interception. He had a total Jake Plummer moment on that one throwing it right into double coverage.

[broncobryce]

I'm not saying it excuses it, but it does shed some light on why the fumble occurred. Personally I was more pissed about his interception. He had a total Jake Plummer moment on that one throwing it right into double coverage.

You're right. Now if he starts growing a beard I'm going to get really scared!:D

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Cutler talks about fumble:

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21531

Cutler Talks About Fumble, 2-Point Conversion
Playing with house money, Mike Shanahan went for the 2-point conversion with 29 seconds left and Jay Cutler hit rookie Eddie Royal over the middle to give the Denver Broncos a 39-38 win over the stunned San Diego Chargers on Sunday. Read More... (http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=...nc.dayport.com) [CBS 4 Denver Broncos Videos] - 9/14/2008 8:23:47 PM

[AlWilsonizKING]

All I'm going to say is that it's about time WE get the call for a change.



PEACE!!!

[BroncoWave]

You're right. Now if he starts growing a beard I'm going to get really scared!:D

I actually thought the mustache/beard was the most badass thing about Jake!

I mean, this picture just screams class:

http://www.brianbehrend.com/links/archives/images/plummer-porn.jpg

[AlWilsonizKING]

This doesn't have to do with the "Fumble" but why wasn't there a Pass Interference call on the two point conversion, dude was CLEARLY holding Eddie on the cut before the catch. Just a thought.


PEACE!!!

[Denver Native (Carol)]

It's just like TJ said on the Blitz in regards to the fumble - "Yes, the ref blew the call, but San Diego had two chances to stop the Broncos from scoring, and they DID NOT". Just because the ref blew the call, did not mean we were AUTOMATICALLY in the end zone for 6, and AUTOMATICALLY in the end zone for the 2 point conversion.

[gobroncsnv]

Bad calls happen in the course of a game, and in a season. We'll have some of these happen to us this year, so I'm over it already. How bout you guys?

[G_Money]

The Champ strip and recovery was not a good call.

The Jay fumble that was blown dead as an imcomplete pass was not a good call.

The roughing the passer call against DJ wasn't a good call.

There were many bad and non calls during the game. Do I feel fortunate to come out with a win? Sure I do. The Broncos defense was playing like a bunch of pencil necked geeks, to quote Classy Freddy Blassie.

Do I think the Chargers D needs to look in the mirror after giving up the game to the Panthers and the one to us, and stop letting Norv Turner blame the refs for our 39 points and 495 yards of offense?

No, because I want them to keep blaming other people instead of addressing the myriad cracks appearing in their armor. :D

If San Diego can play defense, we aren't anywhere near their output, because God knows our D can't right now. If Jay doesn't toss that boneheaded INT on the goal line, then we're driving to win the game at the end, not trying to tie it (or make a 2-point conversion).

That fumble-that-wasn't didn't cost San Diego the game. Not being able to pressure Jay with a defense that 12 months ago was shoving male organs in our eye sockets might be a bigger contributor.

Super Bowl teams don't ask the refs to bail them out. They take care of their own business.

San Diego has a long way to go to be considered a SB caliber team. The Giants would chew them up right now. Better fix that before crying about the refs costing you the game.

~G

[omac]

OK, I think we can all agree it was a fumble and should have been called as one. AT THE SAME TIME, we have all seen plays stopped, and bad calls, occur, because of the whistle. Doesn't make it right, just saying it's fairly common.

All that aside, this is how I look at it...The SD fans have a right to bitch. They do. HOWEVER, it was an unforced error. Our QB, facing a bit of pressure but not much, simply dropped the ball. It wasn't on a hit. he wasn't trying to pull it back due to an great play by a defender. He simply lost the grip. My basic point is that NO SD PLAYER did anything to cause the fumble, and as much of an excuse ya may have now, yer D still sux WAY worse than you expected. Had it been ruled a fumble, you'd be 1-1 just like us, but you'd still have the same issues ya do now. Merriman is gone, Cromartie looks like garbage and you have some serious issues.

Now this does work both ways. Since Cutty's first action v Seattle in 2006 he averages @ 1 botched snap/unforced fumble per game. This needs to be fixed.

Some may agree or disagree / my perspective. If ya do, feel free to discuss...

Good perspective. :salute:

The botched call was unfortunate for the Chargers, but a lot of those bad/missed calls happen during a season. You all remember last season when Crowder(?) got a fumble, was starting to race to the endzone, but the ref called the play dead? Because he did, Crowder stopped running towards the endzone, and the opponent wasn't chasing him either. On the replay, it was a fumble, so Denver took over where the ball was, but it should've instead been a TD.

No matter. Cutler and the Broncos have one pass to make, and everyone knows he's going for the endzone. Despite that, the Chargers couldn't stop it.

Then in the 2 pointer, the Broncos had one chance, and again, everyone knew it was a pass to the endzone. And again, the Chargers couldn't stop it.

In the NFL highlights, it looks like Norv messed up; he looked like his mind was still in the botched call, and they didn't look prepared for the obvious plays.

[omac]

The Champ strip and recovery was not a good call.

The Jay fumble that was blown dead as an imcomplete pass was not a good call.

The roughing the passer call against DJ wasn't a good call.

There were many bad and non calls during the game. Do I feel fortunate to come out with a win? Sure I do. The Broncos defense was playing like a bunch of pencil necked geeks, to quote Classy Freddy Blassie.

Do I think the Chargers D needs to look in the mirror after giving up the game to the Panthers and the one to us, and stop letting Norv Turner blame the refs for our 39 points and 495 yards of offense?

No, because I want them to keep blaming other people instead of addressing the myriad cracks appearing in their armor. :D

If San Diego can play defense, we aren't anywhere near their output, because God knows our D can't right now. If Jay doesn't toss that boneheaded INT on the goal line, then we're driving to win the game at the end, not trying to tie it (or make a 2-point conversion).

That fumble-that-wasn't didn't cost San Diego the game. Not being able to pressure Jay with a defense that 12 months ago was shoving male organs in our eye sockets might be a bigger contributor.

Super Bowl teams don't ask the refs to bail them out. They take care of their own business.

San Diego has a long way to go to be considered a SB caliber team. The Giants would chew them up right now. Better fix that before crying about the refs costing you the game.

~G

Great post! :salute:

Seemed like Norv and the Chargers were still stuck up on the botched call. Good analysis on the Chargers not recognizing their chinks in the armor. After Carolina, Norv didn't mention about Carolina's strengths, but intead on how SD needs to play better. This time, he did acknowledge some of the Broncos strengths, though.

[WARHORSE]

Cromartie had his puka panties exposed and pulled over his head by Marshall. Hes gonna have nightmares thinking about Brandon in his dreams...............:salute: