Source: Vikings to meet Josh McDaniels

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Former Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels is scheduled to meet Friday with the Minnesota Vikings regarding a potential spot on Leslie Frazier's coaching staff, a source told ESPN on Thursday.

It seems unlikely that McDaniels would consider anything below the offensive coordinator's position, which in Minnesota is still held by Darrell Bevell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5996646

[BroncoWave]

Damn you are fast Carol! Was just about to post this.

[Buff]

Woody Paige said that McD doesn't like Orton, which is too bad considering Minnesota is looking for a QB and we'll be looking to unload him soon. Still, maybe they'll want to bring in Orton and draft a young guy.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Josh McDaniels would rather be an assistant coach in Minnesota than a head coach in San Francisco.

ESPN’s Ed Werder reports that McDaniels is scheduled to meet Friday with Vikings coach Leslie Frazier about an undefined assistant coaching job. (Very likely the offensive coordinator position.) McD passed up a chance to interview for the 49ers head coaching job earlier Thursday.

Don’t forget the Vikings still have an offensive coordinator: Brett Favre’s BFF Darrell Bevell. While nothing has been made official about Bevell’s status, this news strongly indicates the Vikings are looking to go in a new direction. The Childress-Favre-Bevell offense appears to be on the way out.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/report-josh-mcdaniels-to-meet-with-vikings/

[scott.475]

Damn you are fast Carol! Was just about to post this.

Scanning the interwebs for Bronco news is her full time job I think. She is like our Bronco version of the Matrix guys who see all the computer code scanning by and are able to read it. Carol is awesome.

[chazoe60]

Maybe he's going there to be the GM. :laugh:




Seriously though, the first thought that popped into my mind was "Welcome to Minn. Kyle Orton."

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Maybe he's going there to be the GM. :laugh:




Seriously though, the first thought that popped into my mind was "Welcome to Minn. Kyle Orton."


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[OrangeHoof]

Cool. Maybe he'll trade us Adrian Peterson and Visente Shancoe (sp) for Kyle Orton and draft picks.

[BeefStew25]

Cool. Maybe he'll trade us Adrian Peterson and Visente Shancoe (sp) for Kyle Orton and draft picks.

I hope all is well Hoof.

[Dzone]

Whatever you do, dont let him have anything to do with buying the groceries

[zbeg]

Whatever you do, dont let him have anything to do with buying the groceries

McDaniels watches a ton of Food Network and has a bunch of awesome recipes and knows a bunch of sweet tricks to make tasty food, but when he goes to the store, he buys old produce and sometimes gets baking powder when he means to buy sugar.

Put him in the right environment (like as a contestant on Chopped) though, and he'd be pretty good.

[Dzone]

^Mcdaniels went to the store for steak and came home with dog food

[BeefStew25]

I'll trade you some kobe steaks for some off brand hot dogs.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Two of this season's deposed head coaches could land jobs with a team that may build a new staff of its own.

ESPN reports that former Denver Broncos boss Josh McDaniels will meet with newly anointed Minnesota Vikings head coach Leslie Frazier about a position Friday. McDaniels could supplant Darrell Bevell as the offensive coordinator.

Frazier is also eyeing ex-San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Singletary to coach the Minnesota linebackers.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/josh-mcdaniels-mike-singletary-ticketed-for-minnesota-vikings/1

[BeefStew25]

I wish Joe Ellis would interview with some other teams.

[Northman]

How funny. McD would rather ride the coattails of a team much closer to a contender than to actually have to work in SF. lmao, this shit is getting better and better.

[MNPatsFan]

How funny. McD would rather ride the coattails of a team much closer to a contender than to actually have to work in SF. lmao, this shit is getting better and better.Not sure that is the reason. IMHO he knows he probably only has ONE more chance as a head coach. Therefore, he doesn't want to do what Eric Mangini did and jump into just any HC job. He wants to try to find the job where he thinks he has the best chance of succeeding and will work as a Off. Coordinator to rebuild his reputation and name while waiting and looking. Just my :2cents:

[Northman]

Not sure that is the reason. IMHO he knows he probably only has ONE more chance as a head coach. Therefore, he doesn't want to do what Eric Mangini did and jump into just any HC job. He wants to try to find the job where he thinks he has the best chance of succeeding and will work as a Off. Coordinator to rebuild his reputation and name while waiting and looking. Just my :2cents:


I have no doubt he's trying to save his reputation by signing on with a more successful team as that was kind of my point. Rather than face another challenge he took the easy way out.

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I have no doubt he's trying to save his reputation by signing on with a more successful team as that was kind of my point. Rather than face another challenge he took the easy way out.

Actually, that would seem to me the wiser way to go . . .

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[MNPatsFan]

I have no doubt he's trying to save his reputation by signing on with a more successful team as that was kind of my point. Rather than face another challenge he took the easy way out.I realize that was your point. My point was that he may have felt or determined that he wouldn't be able to work cohesively, effectively and successfully as HC with the new GM and the front office in San Francisco. Therefore, he is looking for a situation or team where he believes he could work cohesively, effectively and successfully as either a HC or Offensive coordinator, regardless of whether the team he is joining is presently more successful than the 49ers. I have heard rumors that McD is also interested in and a potential candidate for the OC position with Carolina, which clearly doesn't constitute as a "more successful team".

Are you advocating that a coach should automatically agree to be head coach of a team even if they don't feel or believe they can work cohesively, effectively and successfully as HC with the owner, GM and/or front office of that team?:confused: I don't think you are, but I could be mistaken.

[Northman]

I realize that was your point. My point was that he may have felt or determined that he wouldn't be able to work cohesively, effectively and successfully as HC with the new GM and the front office in San Francisco. Therefore, he is looking for a situation or team where he believes he could work cohesively, effectively and successfully as either a HC or Offensive coordinator, regardless of whether the team he is joining is presently more successful than the 49ers. I have heard rumors that McD is also interested in and a potential candidate for the OC position with Carolina, which clearly doesn't constitute as a "more successful team".

Are you advocating that a coach should automatically agree to be head coach of a team even if they don't feel or believe they can work cohesively, effectively and successfully as HC with the owner, GM and/or front office of that team?:confused: I don't think you are, but I could be mistaken.

Of course not, however SF made it no secret that McD was their second choice as a HC canidate which means they hold him in pretty high regard despite the pitfall in Denver.

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Of course the Vikings are the wiser choice, same with the position. Doesnt really change the fact that he isnt willing to take on the challenge again. Being a OC in Minny has a far less amount of pressure than he would face as a HC in SF. As i said, he took the easy way out.

[Ravage!!!]

My point was that he may have felt or determined that he wouldn't be able to work cohesively, effectively and successfully as HC with the new GM and the front office in San Francisco.

I think I can safely agree with you here, he doesn't get along with many.

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Woody Paige said that McD doesn't like Orton, which is too bad considering Minnesota is looking for a QB and we'll be looking to unload him soon. Still, maybe they'll want to bring in Orton and draft a young guy.

Woody has been an Orton hater and a Tebow groupie from the beginning. He
probably lost control of his faculties the moment Tebow was announced as
the Broncos' selection in the draft. Plus, Woody is a crackpot, IMO.

I remember when McDaniels got defensive with a reporter (Woody?) who
asked when the Broncos would have a good QB - something like that. McD
responded, "We have a good QB," meaning Orton. Whether or not he liked
Orton as a person, McD continually, avidly defended Orton's play.

So I would think that McDaniels' joining the Vikings staff as OC may increase
Orton's chance of going there, should the Broncos indeed trade him . . .

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[MNPatsFan]

Of course not, however SF made it no secret that McD was their second choice as a HC canidate which means they hold him in pretty high regard despite the pitfall in Denver.So does this mean that Bill Belichik took the easy way out because the NY Jets made it no secret that BB was their FIRST choice as HC candidate to replace Parcells. Of course not, BB simply felt that the offered coaching and front office situation in New England was better than that with the NY Jets.

[Northman]

So does this mean that Bill Belichik took the easy way out because the NY Jets made it no secret that BB was their FIRST choice as HC candidate to replace Parcells. Of course not, BB simply felt that the offered coaching and front office situation in New England was better than that with the NY Jets.


Was BB taking the OC position in New England vs a HC in NY? I dont think so.

[Ravage!!!]

So does this mean that Bill Belichik took the easy way out because the NY Jets made it no secret that BB was their FIRST choice as HC candidate to replace Parcells. Of course not, BB simply felt that the offered coaching and front office situation in New England was better than that with the NY Jets.


Was BB taking the OC position in New England vs a HC in NY? I dont think so.

Yeah MN, not exactly the same comparison.

[Northman]

Im actually looking at Bill's resume now. From 96'-99' Billy was the assistant HC to Parcells both in NE and in NY. At no point did Bill take a OC position as opposed to a HC gig or a share of it.

[MNPatsFan]

Im actually looking at Bill's resume now. From 96'-99' Billy was the assistant HC to Parcells both in NE and in NY. At no point did Bill take a OC position as opposed to a HC gig or a share of it.That would be because Belichik is/was a Defensive Coordinator, not Offensive Coordinator.;)

:lol:

In 1996 Bill Belichik was the DC of the Patriots and the assistant HC. I think Al Groh may have had the official title of DC, but Belichik was the actual DC. When Parcells and Belichik moved to the Jets, Belichik was again the DC and assistant HC.

[Ravage!!!]

Bill didn't take the gig at NY because he didn't want to be the one following Parcells. Can't blame him.

I also undesrtand that McD realized he's not ready to be a HC. He doesn't get along with people, and needs how to relate and learn how to delegate without putting yourself above others. He needs to try and have success away from Belicheck and Brady.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I think Minn would be a good place for McD to go. He would have no hand in player decisions (well probably a little, but he wouldn't be the GM). Frasier is not an offensive minded coach, so McD wouldn't be confined by a system as much. Add in a power blocking line and a good RB and all he would need is a QB and a few more recievers.

It's kind of like how he wanted to rebuild the Broncos, only backwards.

[MNPatsFan]

Yeah MN, not exactly the same comparison.I realize it is not exactly the same comparison, but I was making an extreme example to show the absurdity of the position that a coach should accept the HC position just because a team makes it no secret that he is their top/second/etc. choice as a HC candidate which means they hold him in pretty high regard.

Guess using Northman's position or logic, every coordinator is taking the easy way out when they pull their name out of consideration for a HC position.

[BigDaddyBronco]

The other thing about McD not wanting to go to the 49ers. The York family has been heavily critized as an ownership group for the last decade. Maybe the word on the NFL street is that they are terrible to work for. Just a thought.

[Ravage!!!]

I realize it is not exactly the same comparison, but I was making an extreme example to show the absurdity of the position that a coach should accept the HC position just because a team makes it no secret that he is their top/second/etc. choice as a HC candidate which means they hold him in pretty high regard.

Guess using Northman's position or logic, every coordinator is taking the easy way out when they pull their name out of consideration for a HC position.

I get what you are saying, but your example fell very short of making your point.

I don't blame McD for not taking an HC job right now. He proved to everyone that he is just NOT ready, at all. He needs to learn a LOT about how to deal with people, how to delegate, how to listen, and how to COACH a team bfore he takes on that position again. I don't blame him for being gun-shy in jumping onto the spot-light. For he's been bashed by everyone for his horrible short stint while in Denver, and needs to back away and lick his wounds, and do some self reflecting.

[Northman]

I realize it is not exactly the same comparison, but I was making an extreme example to show the absurdity of the position that a coach should accept the HC position just because a team makes it no secret that he is their top/second/etc. choice as a HC candidate which means they hold him in pretty high regard.

Guess using Northman's position or logic, every coordinator is taking the easy way out when they pull their name out of consideration for a HC position.


Well, wait a minute dude. I never said he HAD to take the position. Im just saying from my point of view it was taking the easy way out to not accept the challenge posed in SF. You then pointed to BB which wasnt nearly in the same hemisphere. BB took a job that either was a head coaching job or equal too the head coaching job. He made lateral moves instead of regressing which tells me BB believed in himself enough that he could do the job and ultimately it paid off when he took the HC job in NE in 2000.

[Northman]

I get what you are saying, but your example fell very short of making your point.

I don't blame McD for not taking an HC job right now. He proved to everyone that he is just NOT ready, at all. He needs to learn a LOT about how to deal with people, how to delegate, how to listen, and how to COACH a team bfore he takes on that position again. I don't blame him for being gun-shy in jumping onto the spot-light. For he's been bashed by everyone for his horrible short stint while in Denver, and needs to back away and lick his wounds, and do some self reflecting.

Bingo!

Not only was he not ready i dont think he can handle the scrutiny that he would be faced with by taking another HC gig right now. So what better way to avoid all that by TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT. No one says he HAD to take a position, only its quite obvious why he would rather go back to HC to avoid confrontation and ridicule.

[MNPatsFan]

Bill didn't take the gig at NY because he didn't want to be the one following Parcells. Can't blame him.IMHO, it was a lot more than that. The Jets were in the midst of a change of ownership because Woody Johnson was in the process of buying the Jets from the estate of Leon Hess, the front office was in disarray, etc. In fact, for similar reasons, Al Groh, who became HC when BB bolted to the Patriots only coached that season before quitting and becoming the HC at Virginia.

[MNPatsFan]

Well, wait a minute dude. I never said he HAD to take the position. Im just saying from my point of view it was taking the easy way out to not accept the challenge posed in SF. You then pointed to BB which wasnt nearly in the same hemisphere. BB took a job that either was a head coaching job or equal too the head coaching job. He made lateral moves instead of regressing which tells me BB believed in himself enough that he could do the job and ultimately it paid off when he took the HC job in NE in 2000.Okay, I see what you are saying. I don't necessarily agree it was the easy way out because I don't think it makes sense to agree to become HC of a team where you don't think you can work with or under the owner, GM and/or front office no matter how high a team may regard that person or how much the team may want him to be their HC.

With regards to BB, you overlook and/or re-characterize the fact that BB went from HC of the Cleveland Browns to a non-HC position under Bill Parcells as the DC and Asst. HC, which is not an HC position, with both the Patriots and then the Jets. During those years BB clearly improved his people skills (talking about with team players and personnel, not media :lol:) and ability to delegate, which were alleged to be huge contributing factors in his struggles and ultimate firing as the Browns HC.

I realize I am nit picking here, and :salute: your opinions and post.

[Northman]

Okay, I see what you are saying. I don't necessarily agree it was the easy way out because I don't think it makes sense to agree to become HC of a team where you don't think you can work with or under the owner, GM and/or front office no matter how high a team may regard that person or how much the team may want him to be their HC.

With regards to BB, you overlook and/or re-characterize the fact that BB went from HC of the Cleveland Browns to a non-HC position under Bill Parcells as the DC and Asst. HC, which is not an HC position, with both the Patriots and then the Jets. During those years BB clearly improved his people skills (talking about with team players and personnel, not media :lol:) and ability to delegate, which were alleged to be huge contributing factors in his struggles and ultimate firing as the Browns HC.

I realize I am nit picking here, and :salute: your opinions and post.


Well, i say this with all due respect to you. You dont have to defend Josh just because he was a former Pat (if that is what your doing) because i will always maintain that BB is the driving force behind the success of NE and Josh was just a tiny part of that. Same with all the other cordinators that have long left NE. Having had to listen to the _______ that tried to tell me the last two years that the credit in NE was Josh its made me a little bitter towards the man because of what has happened to my team. :D

[MNPatsFan]

Well, i say this with all due respect to you. You dont have to defend Josh just because he was a former Pat (if that is what your doing) because i will always maintain that BB is the driving force behind the success of NE and Josh was just a tiny part of that. Same with all the other cordinators that have long left NE. Having had to listen to the _______ that tried to tell me the last two years that the credit in NE was Josh its made me a little bitter towards the man because of what has happened to my team. :DNo offense taken. I can understand why you might be bitter. I am not defending Josh because he is a former Pat's coach (I won't defend Mangini or some of the other Pats coaches just because they were Pats coaches). I am defending him just like I would defend Jeff Fisher or another coach whom I think is a good coach. With Josh, despite his debacle in Denver, I actually think he is a good bright coach who got in over his head and made horrible personnel decisions.

PS Although I don't think getting rid of Cutler was necessarily one of those because Cutler wanted out and I am not sure their relationship was salvageable and/or would have worked. I remember hearing that Cutler had demanded a trade when Shanahan and his staff were fired, before McD had even been hired, tried to trade for Cassell, etc.

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No offense taken. I can understand why you might be bitter. I am not defending Josh because he is a former Pat's coach (I won't defend Mangini or some of the other Pats coaches just because they were Pats coaches). I am defending him just like I would defend Jeff Fisher or another coach whom I think is a good coach. With Josh, despite his debacle in Denver, I actually think he is a good bright coach who got in over his head and made horrible personnel decisions.

I agree with you there.

It is hard not to be bitter, however, because it happened to us . . .

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[BigDaddyBronco]

I'm hopping McD becomes the new GM for the Patriots.

[Northman]

PS Although I don't think getting rid of Cutler was necessarily one of those because Cutler wanted out and I am not sure their relationship was salvageable and/or would have worked. I remember hearing that Cutler had demanded a trade when Shanahan and his staff were fired, before McD had even been hired, tried to trade for Cassell, etc.

To my knowledge that was clearly speculation. Now, its fact that Jay was quite unhappy with the firing of Shanahan and then the loss of Bates but the actual request for a trade by his agent didnt pop up until after the Cassell thing. But ironically, i caught a video segment by Tebow last night on ESPN where he was asked what was disappointing to him in regards to this year and one of the things he mentioned was the loss of the HC who drafted him. So even for a guy like Tebow (who has handled it much better) he was hurt and stung by the firing of McDaniels so its not hard to understand Jay's displeasure at the time. But i agree, had either guy decided to actually work together it probably would of been fine. As Top would say, woulda shoulda coulda.

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To my knowledge that was clearly speculation. Now, its fact that Jay was quite unhappy with the firing of Shanahan and then the loss of Bates but the actual request for a trade by his agent didnt pop up until after the Cassell thing. But ironically, i caught a video segment by Tebow last night on ESPN where he was asked what was disappointing to him in regards to this year and one of the things he mentioned was the loss of the HC who drafted him. So even for a guy like Tebow (who has handled it much better) he was hurt and stung by the firing of McDaniels so its not hard to understand Jay's displeasure at the time. But i agree, had either guy decided to actually work together it probably would of been fine. As Top would say, woulda shoulda coulda.

I likewise never heard or read a word about Cutler's wanting to be traded
before McDaniels came on board . . .

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[BigDaddyBronco]

I likewise never heard or read a word about Cutler's wanting to be traded
before McDaniels came on board . . .

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Nah, I'm sure he understood the Shanny thing, but started to get butt-hurt when Bates was let go. Then your new HC starts to try and replace you with Cassel. I can understand why he got pissed. Not sure if he has the final laugh yet, but he is close to it.

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Nah, I'm sure he understood the Shanny thing, but started to get butt-hurt when Bates was let go. Then your new HC starts to try and replace you with Cassel. I can understand why he got pissed. Not sure if he has the final laugh yet, but he is close to it.

IIRC, before Bates ever left, Cutler emphatically stressed he wanted Bates to stay.

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[BigDaddyBronco]

IIRC, before Bates ever left, Cutler emphatically stressed he wanted Bates to stay.

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I heard that as well. I'm sure Cutler was pissed over that. It's kind of like Jay felt that the system they had was awesome and that McD would come in and only make minor tweeks, then McD comes in and dumps gasoline on it and throws a match on and Jay is like "wha.....".

[Ravage!!!]

At tthe pro-bowl, Cutler was on camera saying how excited he was to worth with Josh, and to establish that trust that you need to have when working with anyone. Cutler did not get "butt hurt" because Shanahan or Bates were fired. McDaniels proved to be a liar and liar and liar again. He proved he coudln't get along with anyone. Cutler was just the first one to run into the problem, and was the FIRST of the pattern that was later established. When you are the first one in line, the media and fans jumped on you. Cutler was jumped on, and its not seen that McD is the one that can't get along with coaches and players....even his assistants have said this when it wasn't even 2 years working with him.

[Northman]

At tthe pro-bowl, Cutler was on camera saying how excited he was to worth with Josh, and to establish that trust that you need to have when working with anyone. Cutler did not get "butt hurt" because Shanahan or Bates were fired. McDaniels proved to be a liar and liar and liar again. He proved he coudln't get along with anyone. Cutler was just the first one to run into the problem, and was the FIRST of the pattern that was later established. When you are the first one in line, the media and fans jumped on you. Cutler was jumped on, and its not seen that McD is the one that can't get along with coaches and players....even his assistants have said this when it wasn't even 2 years working with him.

Well, a lot of what you stated is true however im not going to give Jay an ultimate pass. He acted like a complete baby (same with Marshall but under different circumstances) and refused to just get the **** over it. If he wanted to not speak to McD right away ok, i can understand that. But when your Boss calls it might be wise to pick up the phone. Hell, even when you teammates call you should take the time to see what they say. The fact that Jay just couldnt get over it in any way shape or form didnt do himself any favors as far as his immaturity was concerned.

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I heard that as well. I'm sure Cutler was pissed over that. It's kind of like Jay felt that the system they had was awesome and that McD would come in and only make minor tweeks, then McD comes in and dumps gasoline on it and throws a match on and Jay is like "wha.....".

I was really down on Cutler over all that back then, but now I think I may
have been wrong about some (but not all) things . . .

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[BigDaddyBronco]

I was really down on Cutler over all that back then, but now I think I may
have been wrong about some things . . .

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I'm still down on Cutler for lots of other things, but I can understand him getting pissed at this. It's what you do when you get pissed that matters.

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I'm still down on Cutler for lots of other things, but I can understand him getting pissed at this. It's what you do when you get pissed that matters.

Agreed. In fact, I edited my comment after reading North's just above mine . . .

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[Northman]

I'm still down on Cutler for lots of other things, but I can understand him getting pissed at this. It's what you do when you get pissed that matters.

Indeed. Tebow was disappointed that Mcd was fired but didnt go ape shit over it. I like Jay as a player and he seems to be making strides on a more personal level now but i wish he would of been a little more scaled back while he was here. One thing that always irritated me was his inability to keep his cool playing Rivers and company. But, i wish him luck in Chi-town and hope he can finally become the player that many expected him to be.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Whether Josh McDaniels becomes the Vikings' offensive coordinator remains to be seen, but the former Denver Broncos coach did spend time meeting with Leslie Frazier and other team officials today at Winter Park.

The Vikings would be looking at going away from the West Coast offense under McDaniels and switching to a system that, like he West Coast, puts plenty on the plate of the quarterback. McDaniels had great success with this offense in New England because Tom Brady was so good at running it.

Former NFL quarterback Rich Gannon, who is now an analys for CBS and worked two Broncos games this season, said he thinks it would be wise for the Vikings to look at trading for Kyle Orton for the short term if McDaniels is hired. Orton was the Broncos quarterback for much of this season.
“That would make perfect sense," Gannon said. "Kyle Orton is really a pretty good player now. I did a game in Week 12, coming into that game he had almost 3,500 yards passing, 20 touchdowns, just six interceptions, a quarterback rating somewhere around 95. And they couldn’t run the ball a lick. They had a rookie at center and a rookie at guard. If you bring in a guy like Kyle Orton it would be a home run from a number of standpoints. You’ve got a guy that’s familiar with the system, that can step in and play.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/113099619.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUi D3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUo aEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI

[scott.475]

What kind of salary relief do we get if he is picked up as a coordinator? Is the same as if her were picked up as head coach? I know the numbers would obviously be different because of the salary diff between coach and coordinator, but do the same percentages still hold or anything?