Tebow's first QB start statistics versus the 1st-Round for the past 5 years ('05-'10)

[gatorpower]

Kind of coincidental that he started in week #15 and his number is #15

Player - Starting Year, Week # - Performance - PE Rating

Matt Ryan - R, 1 - Passing: 9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: -2 yards, 0 TDs - 137.0 PE
Aaron Rodgers - 4, 1 - Passing: 18/22 178 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 35 yards, 1 TDs, 1 Fumble - 115.5 PE
Brady Quinn - 2, 10 - Passing: 23/35 239 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 3 yards, 0 TDs - 104.3 PE
***Tim Tebow - R, 15 - Passing: 8/16 138 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 78 yards, 1 TDs - 100.5 PE
Jason Campbell - 2, 11 - Passing: 19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 6 yards, 0 TDs - 92.3 PE
Matt Leinart - R, 5 - Passing: 22/35 253 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 4 yards, 0 TDs - 91.7 PE
JaMarcus Russell - R, 17 - Passing: 23/31 224 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 0 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumble - 91.3 PE
Josh Freeman - R, 9 - Passing: 14/31 205 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 20 yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumble - 86.1 PE
Mark Sanchez - R, 1 - Passing: 18/31 272 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 6 yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumble - 84.3 PE
Joe Flacco - R, 1 - Passing: 15/29 129 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 37 yards, 1 TDs - 63.7 PE
Jay Cutler - R, 13 - Passing: 10/21 143 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INT, Rushing: 10 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles - 62.3 PE
Sam Bradford - R, 1 - Passing: 32/55 253 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INT, Rushing: 0 yards, 0 TDs - 53.1 PE
Vince Young - R, 4 - Passing: 14/29 155 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 3 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles - 47.3 PE
Matthew Stafford - R, 1 - Passing: 16/37 205 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INT, Rushing: 0 yards, 1 TDs - 27.4 PE
Alex D. Smith - R, 5 - Passing: 9/23 74 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INT, Rushing: 3 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles - 8.5 PE

In case you were wondering. I was going to go back further, but my lunch break is only so long.

[Juriga72]

Outside Ryan- fewest passes thrown

Granted most if not all those teams were terrible, cept Green Bay and that was 4 years of bench time for Rodgers.

Hard to say it matters tho... Look at Quinn just above and both Lienart and Russell just below.

[TXBRONC]

He didn't put up impressive numbers but I wasn't expecting him to either.

[Northman]

How ironic he sits behind Quinn. lmao

[BroncoBJ]

Damn, I didn't realize how bad of 1st start Alex Smith had :lol:

But hopefully this is his 1st start of many with us. :elefant:

[WARHORSE]

Take a look at Peyton...Bradys......Elways.....first starts.


Orton vs ratturds this year: 12 for 29 2 TDs 1 INT

Rating 73.6


And that was in garbage time.

[slim]

The Law of Large Numbers.

Check it out.

[EMB6903]

a lot harder to start your first game on the road as well.

[camdisco24]

a lot harder to start your first game on the road as well.

and in the rain... on a soggy field.






with inept coaches.

[EMB6903]

and in the rain... on a soggy field.






with inept coaches.

so true... a lot of people dont realize that it wasnt only Tebow's first start in this league but it was also McCoy's 2nd game having play calling responsibilities.

Tebow is a gamer no doubt about it.

[Tebow666]

Tebow is a gamer no doubt about it.

And anybody who still doubts it, will believe after next season.

[Jake Klug]

a lot harder to start your first game on the road as well.

...not to mention in week 15 where everyone but you has had his game sharpened by the rigors of an NFL season.

[PAINTERDAVE]

I fully expect us to win this game against the Texans.

We aint waiting another season to win!

Go Broncos!
Go Tim.
Go Champ.
Go Denver. :laugh:

[I Eat Staples]

I don't like ranking them in order of rating.

[TXBRONC]

I don't like ranking them in order of rating.

Care to expand on that thought?

[I Eat Staples]

Care to expand on that thought?

For example, Cambell and Leinart have better stat lines than Tebow and even Ryan outside of completion %. They are ranked lower because they have a lower rating, when they actually threw the ball more, for more yards and TDs (the only things that matter). Matt Ryan did not have the best debut. He threw the ball 13 times and completed most of them, giving him the highest rating. But with that stat line, his defense obviously played great. His individual performance was not the best.

Passer rating gives a general idea of how successful a QB was, but it is the least important stat out of everything. Throwing the ball less will give you a higher rating, which is not at all indicative of a good performance by the QB.

[Dreadnought]

Care to expand on that thought?

Agreed - some don't like the QB rating system, but I'm a big fan of it. Plus, of the stats that make up the QB rating I pay most attention to YPA - and our guy did just fine. Comp % is the least important of the relevant stats. Joey Harrington and David Carr always did pretty well with that one, but for @6 YPA, so what difference did it make?

It may be too hard for some sports journalists to figger out, but that doesn't mean it isn't a valid measure.

[sneakers]

Aw man, the tebow fanboys are invading!!!!!

[Dreadnought]

Passer rating gives a general idea of how successful a QB was, but it is the least important stat out of everything. Throwing the ball less will give you a higher rating, which is not at all indicative of a good performance by the QB.

Not true. Its completion percentage, TD %, Int %, and yards per attempt, factored into one figure. Total attempts and yards don't count. Its a solid measure of QB efficiency. TD % is easy to game, as TD throws on 2nd and goal at the 1 (when properly TD's ought to be scored by the running game with a balanced offense) can plump up the number.

[jhildebrand]

How ironic he sits behind Quinn. lmao

Problem is Tebow didn't get to play against the Broncos. This team has been making rookie qb's look good for some time now!

[I Eat Staples]

Not true. Its completion percentage, TD %, Int %, and yards per attempt, factored into one figure. Total attempts and yards don't count. Its a solid measure of QB efficiency. TD % is easy to game, as TD throws on 2nd and goal at the 1 (when properly TD's ought to be scored by the running game with a balanced offense) can plump up the number.

Take a look at these three stat lines:

9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT - 137.0 rating

19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT - 92.3 rating

22/35 253 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT - 91.7 rating

Just looking at those stats, the first QB (Ryan) did the least. The best individual performance would be between Campbell (2nd QB) and Leinart (3rd QB). 196 yards and 2 TDs is a better performance than 161 yards and 1 TD no matter how you look at it, but the the latter has a much higher rating.

[TXBRONC]

Agreed - some don't like the QB rating system, but I'm a big fan of it. Plus, of the stats that make up the QB rating I pay most attention to YPA - and our guy did just fine. Comp % is the least important of the relevant stats. Joey Harrington and David Carr always did pretty well with that one, but for @6 YPA, so what difference did it make?

It may be too hard for some sports journalists to figger out, but that doesn't mean it isn't a valid measure.

I'm a stat junky but I also understand that stats don't tell you the entire story. People who watched the game for the most will tell you that given the circumstances and just how the game progressed know that Tebow did a decent all things considered.

[Dreadnought]

Take a look at these three stat lines:

9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT - 137.0 rating

19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT - 92.3 rating

22/35 253 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT - 91.7 rating

Just looking at those stats, the first QB (Ryan) did the least. The best individual performance would be between Campbell (2nd QB) and Leinart (3rd QB). 196 yards and 2 TDs is a better performance than 161 yards and 1 TD no matter how you look at it, but the the latter has a much higher rating.

Disagree totally. the first line is the best, going away. Its not even close IMO, esp given his YPA. He was brutally efficient on just a few throws. Ideal IMO

[LordTrychon]

Take a look at these three stat lines:

9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT - 137.0 rating

19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT - 92.3 rating

22/35 253 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT - 91.7 rating

Just looking at those stats, the first QB (Ryan) did the least. The best individual performance would be between Campbell (2nd QB) and Leinart (3rd QB). 196 yards and 2 TDs is a better performance than 161 yards and 1 TD no matter how you look at it, but the the latter has a much higher rating.

It really depends on how you look at it.

250% as many attempts, for 20% more yards is a lot less efficient at moving the ball. The extra touchdown is nice though.

[I Eat Staples]

Disagree totally. the first line is the best, going away. Its not even close IMO, esp given his YPA. He was brutally efficient on just a few throws. Ideal IMO

You really think it was the better individual performance? That stat line won't win a game unless it's accompanied by a good running game and defense. I don't see how it was the best individual performance.

[Dreadnought]

You really think it was the better individual performance? That stat line won't win a game unless it's accompanied by a good running game and defense. I don't see how it was the best individual performance.

That stat line will be a winner nine times out of ten, because it will usually show up with a sound run game. You get that kind of huge YPA off of an effective run game and big strike play action passes against a defense stacking the box. It comes with smart play calling and a solid game plan

The YPA's of the 2nd two lines are nothing special.

[TXBRONC]

That stat line will be a winner nine times out of ten, because it will usually show up with a sound run game. You get that kind of huge YPA off of an effective run game and big strike play action passes against a defense stacking the box. It comes with smart play calling and a solid game plan

The YPA's of the 2nd two lines are nothing special.

Campbell's was a paltry 5.8 ypa.

[LordTrychon]

Take a look at these three stat lines:

9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT - 137.0 rating

19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT - 92.3 rating

You really think it was the better individual performance? That stat line won't win a game unless it's accompanied by a good running game and defense. I don't see how it was the best individual performance.

Look at it this way.

Imagine the second stat line is a QB's stats for a whole game.

Imagine the first stat line is the stats for the first half.

So then you break it into halfs...

First half...

9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT

Second Half...

10/21 35 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT

Now which half do you think is better?

Would you say the second half dropped the overall effectiveness of the quarterback or not? If you average the two, the second almost assuredly dropped the value from the first, wouldn't you say? Making the overall average lower than just the first half?

[TXBRONC]

Aw man, the tebow fanboys are invading!!!!!

That's right so lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. :D

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Outside Ryan- fewest passes thrown

Granted most if not all those teams were terrible, cept Green Bay and that was 4 years of bench time for Rodgers.

Hard to say it matters tho... Look at Quinn just above and both Lienart and Russell just below.

Yeah, but both Quinn and Russell got their first starts against our sorry-assed 2008 defense!!! Russel on Monday Night, Quinn on Thursday Night football.

How's that for ironic? That was the defense that made rookies look like probowlers!

Could you imagine if our offense with Tebow would've started against the defense we fielded vs Oakland on Sunday? Tebow would already be in Canton for breaking the single game TD record... :lol:

[frauschieze]

YPA is also highly dependent upon the receivers and their ability on YAC.

Shitty receivers and/or receivers tackled as soon as they catch a dumped off pass = lower YPA = lower QB rating. Great YAC receivers make QB ratings appear inflated when most of the yards are gained on the ground.

YPA for QBs is, IMO, one of the most potentially misleading stats because of this.

[FanInAZ]

Take a look at these three stat lines:

9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT - 137.0 rating

19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT - 92.3 rating

22/35 253 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT - 91.7 rating

Just looking at those stats, the first QB (Ryan) did the least. The best individual performance would be between Campbell (2nd QB) and Leinart (3rd QB). 196 yards and 2 TDs is a better performance than 161 yards and 1 TD no matter how you look at it, but the the latter has a much higher rating.


It really depends on how you look at it.

250% as many attempts, for 20% more yards is a lot less efficient at moving the ball. The extra touchdown is nice though.

In other words, if Ryan's coach would have let him throw the 34 times, he would have thrown for about 420 yards & 2 or 3 TDs. Assuming of course that he maintained his level of effectiveness.

I also believe that the consequences of throwing an INT nullifies the benifits of the same number of TDs. Therefore, Leinart's INT cause him to loose credit with me for 1 of his TDs. I'm sure others disagree, but that is how much stock I put in the consequences of throwing INTs.

[BroncoStud]

Geez Alex Smith sucks. How in the heck did that turd go 1st overall?

[Juriga72]

Geez Alex Smith sucks. How in the heck did that turd go 1st overall?

Ummmmm yeah... Mike Nolan picked him. SO for all the "Mike Nolan for HC" peeps........lol

[Rick]

I think Tebow would have made something happen with that one sack he got as well, he broke an initial sack, slipped on field and then couldn't get away from second tackler. Good field with his athleticism is going to be real interesting.

If anyone expected the kid to throw down pro bowl numbers in his first start and in a hostile environment as well they were just being unrealistic.

What we saw was potential, promise for the future, possibly someone the team can be built around because like it or not the kid makes plays.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Ummmmm yeah... Mike Nolan picked him. SO for all the "Mike Nolan for HC" peeps........lol

In Nolan's defense, there were only 2 QBs that were 1st round graded that year. Smith and Rogers. Smith was so far ahead of Rogers at the time of the draft, physically, that he was the logical choice. Geez, every pundit from Kiper/McShay to even everyone's favorite draft gospel spewer Mike Mayock said Smith should be the first overall pick. It was just bad luck that they were in the market for a QB in one of the worst QB classes of the decade. Rogers has turned out to be pretty darned good, but he got to sit behind Favre for 3 years before being expected to produce.

Smith has always had the physical attributes, it's the mental side of the game he struggles with. He's the anti-Kyle Orton. Put Kyle's brain in Smith's body and you get Tom Brady...

I'm worried that this is our dilemma with D-line. We finally have great draft position and the ability to get "our guy", but we're a year too late. Guys like Fairley and Dareus are ripe for the picking, but they're second rate compared to guys like Suh and McCoy from last year. It's that, "Always the Bridesmaid" feeling when it comes to Denver and the draft...

[Juriga72]

In Nolan's defense, there were only 2 QBs that were 1st round graded that year. Smith and Rogers. Smith was so far ahead of Rogers at the time of the draft, physically, that he was the logical choice. Geez, every pundit from Kiper/McShay to even everyone's favorite draft gospel spewer Mike Mayock said Smith should be the first overall pick. It was just bad luck that they were in the market for a QB in one of the worst QB classes of the decade. Rogers has turned out to be pretty darned good, but he got to sit behind Favre for 3 years before being expected to produce.

Smith has always had the physical attributes, it's the mental side of the game he struggles with. He's the anti-Kyle Orton. Put Kyle's brain in Smith's body and you get Tom Brady...

I'm worried that this is our dilemma with D-line. We finally have great draft position and the ability to get "our guy", but we're a year too late. Guys like Fairley and Dareus are ripe for the picking, but they're second rate compared to guys like Suh and McCoy from last year. It's that, "Always the Bridesmaid" feeling when it comes to Denver and the draft...

That year the Niners d was terrible as was the offense. Its just that Nolan (Defense guy) takes a "Franchise qb" with the overall top pick.

BUT.... hindsight being 20/20.. That whole 2005 first 10 picks sucked bad. It might be the worst draft in history..lol

[robert ethan]

Not true. Its completion percentage, TD %, Int %, and yards per attempt, factored into one figure. Total attempts and yards don't count. Its a solid measure of QB efficiency. TD % is easy to game, as TD throws on 2nd and goal at the 1 (when properly TD's ought to be scored by the running game with a balanced offense) can plump up the number.

So Tebow plumped up his numbers by throwing a 33 yard TD pass? They could have just rammed that ball in with a fullback.

Good thing they didn't record passer ratings for Elway's debut. Dude was 1 out of 8 with a pick and no TDs. Plus he broke the huddle and lined up behind a gaurd at one point in the game. Imagine the hellfire that would have rained down on Tebow's head if he did the same?

[Dzone]

He got passed over for Rookie of the week for some no names who didnt play as well as Tebow

[LordTrychon]

He got passed over for Rookie of the week for some no names who didnt play as well as Tebow

Although he did get rookie of the week a while back when he had 3 snaps I think... so it works out.

[Slick]

Kind of coincidental that he started in week #15 and his number is #15

Player - Starting Year, Week # - Performance - PE Rating

Matt Ryan - R, 1 - Passing: 9/13 161 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: -2 yards, 0 TDs - 137.0 PE
Aaron Rodgers - 4, 1 - Passing: 18/22 178 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 35 yards, 1 TDs, 1 Fumble - 115.5 PE
Brady Quinn - 2, 10 - Passing: 23/35 239 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 3 yards, 0 TDs - 104.3 PE
***Tim Tebow - R, 15 - Passing: 8/16 138 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 78 yards, 1 TDs - 100.5 PE
Jason Campbell - 2, 11 - Passing: 19/34 196 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 6 yards, 0 TDs - 92.3 PE
Matt Leinart - R, 5 - Passing: 22/35 253 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 4 yards, 0 TDs - 91.7 PE
JaMarcus Russell - R, 17 - Passing: 23/31 224 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 0 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumble - 91.3 PE
Josh Freeman - R, 9 - Passing: 14/31 205 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 20 yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumble - 86.1 PE
Mark Sanchez - R, 1 - Passing: 18/31 272 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 6 yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumble - 84.3 PE
Joe Flacco - R, 1 - Passing: 15/29 129 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INT, Rushing: 37 yards, 1 TDs - 63.7 PE
Jay Cutler - R, 13 - Passing: 10/21 143 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INT, Rushing: 10 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles - 62.3 PE
Sam Bradford - R, 1 - Passing: 32/55 253 yards, 1 TDs, 3 INT, Rushing: 0 yards, 0 TDs - 53.1 PE
Vince Young - R, 4 - Passing: 14/29 155 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INT, Rushing: 3 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles - 47.3 PE
Matthew Stafford - R, 1 - Passing: 16/37 205 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INT, Rushing: 0 yards, 1 TDs - 27.4 PE
Alex D. Smith - R, 5 - Passing: 9/23 74 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INT, Rushing: 3 yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles - 8.5 PE

In case you were wondering. I was going to go back further, but my lunch break is only so long.

On your next lunch break can you add wins and losses to that list.

Kyle Orton had some sexy numbers this year but at the end of the day...

[Sinthor]

You really think it was the better individual performance? That stat line won't win a game unless it's accompanied by a good running game and defense. I don't see how it was the best individual performance.

It's not about the overall team effort or if the QB won the game or not, it's just what it says, the "QUARTERBACK Passer Efficiency Rating." It's solely about the QB's performance and efficiency, no matter whether or not the game was won, although usually a high rating can be indicative of team performance. Check the link below. It calculates the rating for you but you can also see HOW it's calculated.

Completions vs attempts factor a little and the yards as well as the yards per attempt factor a bit more. The biggest factor seems to be TD's versus attempts. INTS bring down the scores dramatically as well. So I think this is a good indication of how a QB is doing. A QB can be padding the stats yardage wise and if he doesn't have enough touchdowns or has too many INTs, his score is still going to be terrible. I think if you look at that you'd agree the QB rating is a pretty darn good indicator of how the QB performs during the game. The one thing it doesn't factor in at all is yardage on the ground or from scrambles. But I guess that's why it's called the "PASSER" rating. :)

http://brucey.net/nflab/statistics/qb_rating.html