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09-21-2007, 01:05 PM
This is important information for females of ALL ages.

A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what
they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts:

1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are
most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle
that can easily be grabbed . They are also likely to go after a woman with
long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.

2) The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women who's
clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around
specifically to cut clothing.

3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their
purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off-guard
and can be easily overpowered.

4) Men are most likely to attack & rape in the early morning, between 5:00
a.m. and 8:30 a.m.

5) The number one, place women are abducted from/attacked is grocery
store parking lots. Number two is office parking lots/garages. Number three
is public restrooms.

6) The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and
quickly move her to another location where they don't have to worry about
getting caught.

7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year
sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

8) If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it
only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't
worth it because it will be time-consuming.

9) These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas , or
other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands. Keys
are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to
use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not
worth it.

10) Several defense mechanisms he taught us are: If someone is following
behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell,
look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make
general small talk: "I can't believe it is so cold out here," "we're in for a bad
winter." Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a line-up;
you lose appeal as a target.

11) If someone is coming toward you , hold out your hands in front of you
and yell STOP or STAY BACK! Most of the rapists this man talked to said
they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be
afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

12) If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and
carries it with him wherever he goes) , yell I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY and
holding it out will be a deterrent.

13) If someone grabs you , you can't beat them with strength but you can
by outsmarting them If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinc
the attacker either under the arm (between the elbow and armpit) OR in the
upper inner thigh VERY VERY HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught
told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape
her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle
strands - the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as
hard as you can stand it - it hurts.

14) After the initial hit, always GO for the GROIN I know from a particularly
unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful.
You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you
more, but the thing these rapists told our instructor is that they want a
woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble and he's
out of there.

15) When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and
bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on
them as possible . The instructor did it to me without using much pressure,
and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

16) Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of
your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd
behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts! You may feel a little silly at
the time, but you would feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.


MORE TIPS:

1 . Tip from Tae Kwon Do: The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If
you are close enough to use it, do!

2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans. If a robber asks for your
wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM ! . Toss it away from you.
Chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than
you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER
DIRECTION!

3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail
lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The
driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives.

4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating,
working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc.).
DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect
opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun! to your
head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR,
LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.

5. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF,
repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into
anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in
the back seat they will get the worst of it. As soon as the car crashes bail
out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote
location.

6 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot or parking
garage:

> A.) Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side
floor, and in the back seat.

> B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger
door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans
while the women are attempting to get into their cars.

> C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the
passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you
may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to
walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And
better paranoid than dead.)


7. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible
places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at
NIGHT!)

8. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS
RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times. And
even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN, preferably in a
zigzag pattern!

9. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may get
you raped or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well-
educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting
women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his
vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.

10. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a
crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police
because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her
"Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door."

The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a
window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run
over. The policeman said, "We already have a unit on the way, whatever
you do, DO NOT open the door." He told her that they think a serial killer
has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes
thinking that someone dropped off a baby. He said they have not verified it,
but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries
outside their doors when they're home alone at night.

DO NOT open the door for a crying baby ----This should be taken seriously
because the Crying Baby theory was mentioned on America's Most Wanted
this past Saturday when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana.

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Snapping Turtle
09-21-2007, 01:19 PM
Top...I have seen this before. And let me tell you. I think about these things EVERY DAY. When I am walking across campus at night I am always aware of the people around me etc. I took a women's self defense course before I came up to college and I feel so much safer with the knowledge I gained from that class. I think all women should take one of these classes because it was fun, a good workout AND you learned how to save yourself. The instructors full on choked us and pinned us against walls, pushed us to the ground, made us pretend to be sleeping then they would attack us. It was scary but I feel so much more safe.

underrated29
09-21-2007, 01:19 PM
well the hit to the groin i think takes a max time of 15 seconds for it to sink in, so make sure if you get them there that you can not be caught for atleast 15 sec.

9/10 id say it will only take 3 seconds and the guy will drop, but just in case his are brass allow a few extra seconds for the pain to sink in.

once it does you will be home free

topscribe
09-21-2007, 02:00 PM
well the hit to the groin i think takes a max time of 15 seconds for it to sink in, so make sure if you get them there that you can not be caught for atleast 15 sec.

9/10 id say it will only take 3 seconds and the guy will drop, but just in case his are brass allow a few extra seconds for the pain to sink in.

once it does you will be home free
I don't know . . . I've been hit there before, more than once, mostly in football and basketball.

It didn't take any 15 seconds, I'll tell you that. :shocked:

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underrated29
09-21-2007, 02:41 PM
oh no doubt, i cant think of a time that i didnt drop right away. i dont know why sometimes it can take longer..maybe because they got their adrennaline pumping as where for most of us it is completely unexpected..

dont know? ask the military guys i think they could tell you more.

OB
09-21-2007, 02:43 PM
Great advice top!!!!!! Thank you (no cp's though - hehehehe)

I am ashamed to say that I do not pay attention to my surroundings when Im out n about...I grew up and spent most of my life in a small, safe town, never locked the doors type town and tend to be naive (Ive been told hundreds of times)

But the piniching of the arm thing works - I use that all the time when a guy thinks he is a tough *** :laugh:

kcvet
09-21-2007, 03:25 PM
that should be posted on all our boards. and emailed to all

BigBroncLove
09-21-2007, 06:10 PM
A few self defense tips to go along with some of what top posted.

-The elbow is infact the strongest point of your body. However it needs to be used properly. From personal experience I have used my elbow in seveeral different fights, and there is certienly a way not to use it. Do not use the back part of your elbow where your upper arm meets the elbow (where your tricep connects with the elbow). This is a very tender area. You may get some good hits in with it, but you may begin to lose some of the use of yoru arm (it will swell quickly, and hurts like hell to bend your elbow). In a life or death situation this is not a huge issue, but it is something to be avoided if you have a choice. Use the front part of your elbow, where your forearm meets the elbow like so....

http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~bb/dg/SelfDefence/Strikes/second%20elbow.jpg

-This is the most solid part of your body besides the head. I have seen a forearm elbow split open an eye faster then anything else.

-The groing area is certienly a very good place to attack. There will be a delaay. I have never experienced anything over five seconds, but once it hits it hits hard. Beware that smart criminals will be wearing a cup, so do not rely on this alone.

-The collar bone is one of the most easy bones to break in the body, and one of the most painful. It takes on average only 3 pounds of pressure per square inch to break a collar bone. Now, I would only suggest this to people with some self defense training, because you need to know how to make a targeted impact on a body part, but if you can, it is very easy to break this bone, and will ensure your enemy will be unable to use one arm completely.

-If someone gets you in a headlock/choke hold, the pinch is a very good technique and rely's on little strength. I would also suggest this. If taken in a headlock/choke hold from behind, your chin is a very useful tool. Dig your chin as hard as you can into the fleshiest part near it. Dig it in, dig it hard, and shake your chin so it forces your enemy to react to the pain and loosen their grip. You can then also use an arm to try and pry your head out, or if worse comes to worse, slide your chin under the headlock/choke hold and bite down hard. By sliding your chin down and biting, it also does not allow the attacker to choke you.

Just a few extra things to use to your advantage. There is tons of info out there people as far as self defense goes, and many are useful techniques your attackers will not be aware of. Surprise is the king in all conflicts, personal or otherwise :D .

Reidman
09-21-2007, 08:37 PM
Great advice top!!!!!! Thank you (no cp's though - hehehehe)

I am ashamed to say that I do not pay attention to my surroundings when Im out n about...I grew up and spent most of my life in a small, safe town, never locked the doors type town and tend to be naive (Ive been told hundreds of times)

But the piniching of the arm thing works - I use that all the time when a guy thinks he is a tough *** :laugh:

Something tells me that despite your beauty, no one would want to mess with you....;)

bengaaaaals1688
09-21-2007, 08:43 PM
Something tells me that despite your beauty, no one would want to mess with you....;)

Depends on the definition of mess with.:D

xX-Bronco-Xx
09-22-2007, 11:14 AM
I'd karate chop the dude in the groin.

See how he likes my ninja skills

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1610/ninjacat28ov.jpg

topscribe
09-22-2007, 11:22 AM
I'd karate chop the dude in the groin.

See how he likes my ninja skills

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1610/ninjacat28ov.jpg

I needed a laugh this morning, and you provided it! :lol:

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Kapaibro
09-22-2007, 11:49 AM
I whole-heartedly recommend a boxing class for every woman!

Not Tai-bo, but actual boxing, with the bags and sparring.

You get taught how to throw a punch correctly, and it is incredibly physical.

I was very lucky with the boxing classes I did. One of the instructors had 5 daughters, and would include self-defense tips for the women!

I have had to throw a few punches at guys, and am grateful for everything I learnt.

Oh, yeah, and a big chunky silver ring will help you out if you do have to throw a punch.

Also, if you are wearing stiletto heels, use them! Stomp the foot of your attacker as hard as possible. Then kick them off and run like hell! A friend of mine put the heel of her shoe through the foot of a guy who grabbed her. She was pretty pissed off at losing her shoes, and when the cops gave them back, she was even angrier for the blood on them.

OB
09-22-2007, 01:22 PM
Something tells me that despite your beauty, no one would want to mess with you....;)

awwww reid :redface:
A girl that used to work at the rest. with me came in last night (she moved back to FL) and she commented on all the new people (very high turnover in the rest. biz) and I said thats why I usually dont even bother to remember anyones name cause they are gone b4 I can finally remember - she said yeah and if they are around long enough to remember yours they are usually to scared of you by then to talk to you - hehehehe :laugh:

OB
09-22-2007, 01:26 PM
I'd karate chop the dude in the groin.

See how he likes my ninja skills

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1610/ninjacat28ov.jpg

:salute: AWESOME PIC!!!! That is sooo funny

sneakers
09-23-2007, 05:52 AM
well the hit to the groin i think takes a max time of 15 seconds for it to sink in, so make sure if you get them there that you can not be caught for atleast 15 sec.

9/10 id say it will only take 3 seconds and the guy will drop, but just in case his are brass allow a few extra seconds for the pain to sink in.

once it does you will be home free

I have seen a guy get nailed with a line drive to the groin while he was looking away at a brewers game one time.....it was by far the funniest thing I have ever seen.

Jody
10-18-2007, 11:05 PM
From experience of an unsuccessful attack years ago, I would disagree with many "tips" in this.

One the MOST vulnerable place to be attacked is at the point you open your car door, as when you open your door and you are between your car and the open door----an attacker uses the door to pin you in.

Two - Home invasions. Rapists watch/stalk you for periods of time prior to attacking you. They are watching your routine. Women tend to be very routine, which can be a detriment to your safety.

Three - Strength is not as much of a concern as perceived. Adrenalin can make a woman twice as strong as their attacker.

Four - Just feel ANGRY AS HELL this person thinks they have a right to touch you, period. Anger is strength.

Five - Use your panic button on your key chain - it's an excellent attention getter!

SIX - If they grab you from behind, take your foot and kick backwards on their kneecap - you can break their knee easily and put them down on the ground. All you need is 30 second to get away!

SEVEN - Don't take men's advice too much on this - chances are they have not lived it, will not live it, and can not relate to the vulnerability of women. How many times do you hear of men being stalked and rape. Not only that, but there has been many cases where the man teaching you self-defense ends up being your attacker (keep that in mind).

Eight = Remember this, and it's the most valuable piece of information I can give to you.......

It's YOUR LIFE or HIS, Choose to Live and Fight Like Hell!
Rapists are so desperate to not be identified, they often end up murdering their victim, so you have NOTHING TO LOSE.

omac
10-19-2007, 11:53 PM
Great post, Topscribe! And also nice added viewpoint, HW.

I think the first, best defense is to be overly paranoid; it makes you more aware of the people and your surroundings, and forces you to choose the safer route over the more convenient. It will determine how you dress in potentially dubious environments. I don't understand how naive some people think.

The 2nd is pepperspray; get a kind that you can quickly point and click. Just use it, don't hessitate, even if you're wrong. Worst case, the guy is innocent and he'll just experience some temporary excruciating pain. Better than the alternative. Also, don't get it mixed up with your breath spray or perfume. :D

3rd is safety in numbers; better to have your guy friend walk you to your car in a suspicious environment, or accompany your girlfriends to the restroom, stuff like that.

4th, don't drink with people you don't know. Date rape drugs are pretty common. Whenever possible in an environment you don't trust, order a beer or something that can be opened in front of you, so nothing can be dropped in it. Also, don't leave your glass unattended if you plan to drink from it again. Don't drink too much with people you don't know too well.

5. Self-defense moves are easier said than done. When the situation comes, it would be really tough to think straight, and shock could paralyze you. The better defenses are usually the simpler, non-complex ones, and they still have to be practiced in order for it to become a reflex. A kick to the groin, or a rake to the eyes or the face using your keys, or a stab with your keys to the ear or to the throat. Still, it has to be sudden and reflexive, so it needs to be practiced. Scream when you can.

Jody
10-20-2007, 12:08 AM
Great post, Topscribe! And also nice added viewpoint, HW.

I think the first, best defense is to be overly paranoid; it makes you more aware of the people and your surroundings, and forces you to choose the safer route over the more convenient. It will determine how you dress in potentially dubious environments. I don't understand how naive some people think.

The 2nd is pepperspray; get a kind that you can quickly point and click. Just use it, don't hessitate, even if you're wrong. Worst case, the guy is innocent and he'll just experience some temporary excruciating pain. Better than the alternative. Also, don't get it mixed up with your breath spray or perfume. :D

3rd is safety in numbers; better to have your guy friend walk you to your car in a suspicious environment, or accompany your girlfriends to the restroom, stuff like that.

4th, don't drink with people you don't know. Date rape drugs are pretty common. Whenever possible in an environment you don't trust, order a beer or something that can be opened in front of you, so nothing can be dropped in it. Also, don't leave your glass unattended if you plan to drink from it again. Don't drink too much with people you don't know too well.

5. Self-defense moves are easier said than done. When the situation comes, it would be really tough to think straight, and shock could paralyze you. The better defenses are usually the simpler, non-complex ones, and they still have to be practiced in order for it to become a reflex. A kick to the groin, or a rake to the eyes or the face using your keys, or a stab with your keys to the ear or to the throat. Still, it has to be sudden and reflexive, so it needs to be practiced. Scream when you can.

#5 - not true. It's what people dream about when attacked, that nothing will come out of their mouth when they scream or they will feel weak and helpless, or numb in thought......

On the contrary, One usually has but no choice to think very clearly and quickly in those predicaments. I thought of nothing else, except where this man was placed on top of me, I could not breath because of his weight ontop of me and his hand was covering my mouth and nose, and ALL I COULD THINK OF WAS - If he's going to win - he's going to have to win in pain, that I wasn't going to make it easy for him. It isn't just me, it's common for victims. It's in the movies you hear all the stereotypes that make women think they'd not stand a chance. Women need to know - you stand a chance and if you think you could be killed -------- try anything and everything!

It's not everyday one can say "HE LEFT RUNNING"......but that's why you give the FIGHT OF YOUR LIFE!

omac
10-20-2007, 01:19 AM
#5 - not true. It's what people dream about when attacked, that nothing will come out of their mouth when they scream or they will feel weak and helpless, or numb in thought......

On the contrary, One usually has but no choice to think very clearly and quickly in those predicaments. I thought of nothing else, except where this man was placed on top of me, I could not breath because of his weight ontop of me and his hand was covering my mouth and nose, and ALL I COULD THINK OF WAS - If he's going to win - he's going to have to win in pain, that I wasn't going to make it easy for him. It isn't just me, it's common for victims. It's in the movies you hear all the stereotypes that make women think they'd not stand a chance. Women need to know - you stand a chance and if you think you could be killed -------- try anything and everything!

It's not everyday one can say "HE LEFT RUNNING"......but that's why you give the FIGHT OF YOUR LIFE!

I'm sorry for what happend to you, but I'm glad you responded really well. Truth is, people react differently. The way you reacted may be very different from how someone else would. Some people think clearer, others don't. Some react better, others freeze. I heard a story of my aunt who was in a car-train accident when she was young; though she was conscious, she couldn't move because of shock. If she thought clearer, she'd be able to get out of the car afterwards, instead of being pulled out.

Some of the defensive moves said earlier would require clear thought, specially the non-instinctive ones like pinching a certain part or elbowing. All I'm saying is, don't expect these defensive moves to just come out naturally; it will for some, and it won't for others. Better to practice them just in case.

Nomad
10-22-2007, 11:52 AM
From experience of an unsuccessful attack years ago, I would disagree with many "tips" in this.

One the MOST vulnerable place to be attacked is at the point you open your car door, as when you open your door and you are between your car and the open door----an attacker uses the door to pin you in.

Two - Home invasions. Rapists watch/stalk you for periods of time prior to attacking you. They are watching your routine. Women tend to be very routine, which can be a detriment to your safety.

Three - Strength is not as much of a concern as perceived. Adrenalin can make a woman twice as strong as their attacker.

Four - Just feel ANGRY AS HELL this person thinks they have a right to touch you, period. Anger is strength.

Five - Use your panic button on your key chain - it's an excellent attention getter!

SIX - If they grab you from behind, take your foot and kick backwards on their kneecap - you can break their knee easily and put them down on the ground. All you need is 30 second to get away!

SEVEN - Don't take men's advice too much on this - chances are they have not lived it, will not live it, and can not relate to the vulnerability of women. How many times do you hear of men being stalked and rape. Not only that, but there has been many cases where the man teaching you self-defense ends up being your attacker (keep that in mind).

Eight = Remember this, and it's the most valuable piece of information I can give to you.......

It's YOUR LIFE or HIS, Choose to Live and Fight Like Hell!
Rapists are so desperate to not be identified, they often end up murdering their victim, so you have NOTHING TO LOSE.

HW, sorry to hear this news! I know men do not experience this very often but we do care. i have a wife, mother, sisters, and a daughter.

My advice is every woman and man should get a book on hand to hand combat! Remember the sensitive and critical areas of the body and go for them if you have to fight in defense for your life! Along with the many other tips, here are a couple!
-most women I know have fingernails and stab them in the eyes
-go for the throat, punch or kick or chop as hard as you can (if you can) in the throat, if they can't breath then they can't fight.
-another tip is to cup your hands and slap the ears as hard as you can

Jody
10-22-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm sorry for what happend to you, but I'm glad you responded really well. Truth is, people react differently. The way you reacted may be very different from how someone else would. Some people think clearer, others don't. Some react better, others freeze. I heard a story of my aunt who was in a car-train accident when she was young; though she was conscious, she couldn't move because of shock. If she thought clearer, she'd be able to get out of the car afterwards, instead of being pulled out.

Some of the defensive moves said earlier would require clear thought, specially the non-instinctive ones like pinching a certain part or elbowing. All I'm saying is, don't expect these defensive moves to just come out naturally; it will for some, and it won't for others. Better to practice them just in case.


That's a really sad story about your aunt, omac. And there's truth to what you posted for sure. My point is simply this----women should not 'assume' they will be helpless, and I have not been in an accident to compare to a physical attack, so I cannot have an opinion on your aunt's situation, for there...I've been very fortunate. Women are literally 'trained' via society from early on to think weak, be frail, etc. It's nothing intentional, it's just something to be aware of ----especially for women. Women naturally picture themselves as 'helpless', as did I, prior to my attack (and still have to fight feeling those same old feelings). For me, my shock came just hours later. I was literally dazed, withdrawn, and my mind just kept replaying everything over and over and over.

Children - often surprise me (in a euphoric way) when one hears they out manuevered their attacker or potential kidnapper. The human spirit and inner strength should never be understated in a time of crisis, as it is truly remarkable. I highly recommend a self-defense class for women, and it only took me one class at the age of 14 in Minneapolis, which I was able to recall instantly at 19 upon being attacked. It's amazing how many thoughts rush through your mind with literally just 'seconds' to make a decision, for better or for worse.

I don't assume, I just never underestimate.;) Again, interesting story about your aunt and she's very fortunate apparently.