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Cugel
12-12-2010, 08:53 PM
I just noted this tiny little blurb in an article about John Elway coming back to the Broncos and getting involved in helping to select the next head coach:


Many of the co-workers who potentially would surround Elway already are in place. The Broncos do plan to retain general manager Brian Xanders, though his responsibilities could be altered to accommodate Elway. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5911711)

If Brian Xanders has ANYTHING to do with drafting and FA acquisitions and trades we are BEYOND SCREWED! :mad:

Of course there are LOTS of "draft consultants" and "scouts" but how is Xanders supposed to make a DECISION based on evaluating their reports? You need a TOP FLIGHT GM with real ability to spot talent and make GOOD trades!

Otherwise the head coach BY DEFAULT will wind up making the draft decisions. Why? Because HE will know vastly more about talent evaluation than Xanders. So, how can Xanders overrule him?

Thus, we wind up RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME FAILURE-MODE that led to the present disaster!

If all Bowlen learned from the McDaniels fiasco is that "we should let Brian draft the players -- he's a LOT more senile than his worst critics could have guessed!

I hope this is just a mis-print and that someone, God Help Us! ANYONE -- is brought in to serve as a REAL GM! And given total control over all player acquisitions.

It won't matter a DAMN who the new coach is if Brian Xanders sticks around and is the next GM! :shocked:

P.S. Elway has already admitted HE isn't capable of being GM and making player personnel decisions. He isn't qualified. So, that's not a possible solution.

BeefStew25
12-12-2010, 08:55 PM
Calm down. His is best with a TI-82 and a slide rule. And he knows it.

PAINTERDAVE
12-12-2010, 08:58 PM
This is not news..... it was part of the Elway deal.

BeefStew25
12-12-2010, 09:00 PM
And he won't be GM.

TXBRONC
12-12-2010, 09:00 PM
I don't see how we would be beyond screwed. Xanders wasn't the one pulling the trigger on player personnel.

Cugel
12-12-2010, 09:01 PM
Calm down. His is best with a TI-82 and a slide rule. And he knows it.

Are you suggesting they are going to have THREE top executives; Ellis, Xanders as GM and some third guy responsible for player personnel decisions? Who will that guy report to?

What kind of screwed up executive is that? Teams have a GM and a coach. They may also hire a "numbers guy" to handle the business end of things the way that Ellis does and possibly a "cap-ologist" to manage the overall salary structure.

They need to give the GM total power over player personnel decisions and that person CANNOT be Brian Xanders!

BeefStew25
12-12-2010, 09:02 PM
Are you suggesting they are going to have THREE top executives; Ellis, Xanders as GM and some third guy responsible for player personnel decisions? Who will that guy report to?

What kind of screwed up executive is that? Teams have a GM and a coach. They may also hire a "numbers guy" to handle the business end of things the way that Ellis does and possibly a "cap-ologist" to manage the overall salary structure.

They need to give the GM total power over player personnel decisions and that person CANNOT be Brian Xanders!


You need to take a viagra and chill. Xanders is the cap guy. His business card is the only thing changing.

Cugel
12-12-2010, 09:07 PM
I don't see how we would be beyond screwed. Xanders wasn't the one pulling the trigger on player personnel.

You missed my point. Xanders was promoted to GM. Because he doesn't know a THING about drafting or FA or player talent evaluation, BY DEFAULT the responsibility fell to Josh McDaniels.

That was NOT the original plan. "It sorta just happened" in the words of Joe Ellis.

He can't make the decisions. He has to GO! Or they have to move him to some other position where he won't get in the way of hiring a TOP ELITE GM and giving that guy total control over player acquisition and trades.

The entire future of the organization depends on this. But, how are they going to hire an elite GM if the guy can be vetoed by Brian Xanders?

It's just not going to work! It will be a continuation of the Ted Sundquist problem -- for years the Broncos drafting sucked because Shanahan made all the decisions and Sundquist was a figurehead.

They were UNABLE to hire a really TOP GM like a Scott Pioli because they have all this dead-wood in the person of Xanders and Ellis! And the guy takes one look at the organization, sees a muddled and screwed up chain of command and says "I'll pass!"

That's what's happened for the last 15 years! Now it's GOT to stop if the Broncos are EVER going to catch up!

Their roster is considered by NFL personnel guys to be one of the WORST in the NFL and it shows every Sunday!

They need to demote Xanders to "cap-ologist" or something and get him out of the way!

PAINTERDAVE
12-12-2010, 09:09 PM
Ok .

Tned
12-12-2010, 09:10 PM
Calm down. His is best with a TI-82 and a slide rule. And he knows it.

Come on, let him use a TI-99 and he will rock the draft!

BeefStew25
12-12-2010, 09:11 PM
Come on, let him use a TI-99 and he will rock the draft!

Incorrect. We are still paying 3 previous calculators, so we had to go with the 82.

Cugel
12-12-2010, 09:11 PM
You need to take a viagra and chill. Xanders is the cap guy. His business card is the only thing changing.

I have no problem if that's all he's going to do and he wants a fancy title. But, that's not at all clear at this point.

If they wind up hiring a guy and giving him the title "General Manager of Player Personnel" and have him report directly to Ellis, then fine. I have no problem with that unless Ellis tries to meddle with draft decisions (which he hasn't so far).

But, notice there's been NOT ONE WORD about hiring a top talent evaluator as GM. AT least I haven't ready ANYTHING in the sports press about this, just a lot of FAN speculation.

BeefStew25
12-12-2010, 09:12 PM
I have no problem if that's all he's going to do and he wants a fancy title. But, that's not at all clear at this point.

If they wind up hiring a guy and giving him the title "General Manager of Player Personnel" and have him report directly to Ellis, then fine. I have no problem with that unless Ellis tries to meddle with draft decisions (which he hasn't so far).

But, notice there's been NOT ONE WORD about hiring a top talent evaluator as GM. AT least I haven't ready ANYTHING in the sports press about this, just a lot of FAN speculation.

PM me your email address. You and I can have a Frank discussion offline.

Tned
12-12-2010, 09:21 PM
Incorrect. We are still paying 3 previous calculators, so we had to go with the 82.

Then we're screwed. Can't even play Zork on the 82.

BeefStew25
12-12-2010, 09:22 PM
Then we're screwed. Can't even play Zork on the 82.

Well, the budget dictated that. Sorry. Email Joe Ellis, CPA.

TXBRONC
12-12-2010, 09:51 PM
You missed my point. Xanders was promoted to GM. Because he doesn't know a THING about drafting or FA or player talent evaluation, BY DEFAULT the responsibility fell to Josh McDaniels.

That was NOT the original plan. "It sorta just happened" in the words of Joe Ellis.

He can't make the decisions. He has to GO! Or they have to move him to some other position where he won't get in the way of hiring a TOP ELITE GM and giving that guy total control over player acquisition and trades.

The entire future of the organization depends on this. But, how are they going to hire an elite GM if the guy can be vetoed by Brian Xanders?

It's just not going to work! It will be a continuation of the Ted Sundquist problem -- for years the Broncos drafting sucked because Shanahan made all the decisions and Sundquist was a figurehead.

They were UNABLE to hire a really TOP GM like a Scott Pioli because they have all this dead-wood in the person of Xanders and Ellis! And the guy takes one look at the organization, sees a muddled and screwed up chain of command and says "I'll pass!"

That's what's happened for the last 15 years! Now it's GOT to stop if the Broncos are EVER going to catch up!

Their roster is considered by NFL personnel guys to be one of the WORST in the NFL and it shows every Sunday!

They need to demote Xanders to "cap-ologist" or something and get him out of the way!

I didn't miss the point.

The information you provided sounds very much like he might be headed for a demotion.

jhildebrand
12-12-2010, 10:00 PM
he'll be a cap guy and nothing more.

Bosco
12-13-2010, 12:59 AM
he'll be a cap guy and nothing more.

Exactly. Some people seriously need to chill the **** out.

Lancane
12-13-2010, 01:06 AM
Exactly. Some people seriously need to chill the **** out.

But why? :lol:

I saw this coming anyways...but the team insiders have already said he'd have limited duties in a sense, he's a good with finances and administrative duties. But I'll wait to see how it plays out before I start to complain.

jhildebrand
12-13-2010, 02:38 AM
But why? :lol:

I saw this coming anyways...but the team insiders have already said he'd have limited duties in a sense, he's a good with finances and administrative duties. But I'll wait to see how it plays out before I start to complain.

He is good at cap and contract structure. The truth is Tebow's deal is very friendly for the Broncos-thanks to Xanders.

He isn't a personnel guy. I just haven't seen it from him. I could be wrong but he will be a cap guy.

dogfish
12-13-2010, 03:41 AM
We need to take off and nuke Xanders from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.