Foxworth to be traded?

[honz]

I guess the Bronco's brass was as unimpressed with Foxy's play this preseason as many of the fans were. I guess this also means that the Shanny and co. are high on JMFW! What do you guys think we are looking to get for him?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3563823


The Denver Broncos are in the process of trading nickel cornerback Domonique Foxworth.

The cornerback was told by the team that he is close to being traded and to go home and wait to be traded. Foxworth said that he was told that there are several teams Denver is talking to and that he has no clue where he will play next week only that it won't be with the Broncos.

Foxworth said the Broncos are handling the situation with class.

"They didn't have to give me a warning," Foxworth said. "They are being classy about it. I'm not upset about it at all."

The Patriots, Redskins, Saints, Rams and Browns are among the teams that need a cornerback.

Foxworth, entering his fourth NFL season, has been Denver's nickel cornerback. With him on his way out, Denver's backup cornerbacks behind Champ Bailey and Dre' Bly are Karl Paymah and rookie Jack Williams.

Bill Williamson covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

[girler]

I guess the Bronco's brass was as unimpressed with Foxy's play this preseason as many of the fans were. I guess this also means that the Shanny and co. are high on JMFW! What do you guys think we are looking to get for him?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3563823

Who's going to tell us to quit smoking NOW??? :tsk:

[ChampWJ]

I hope we at least get an 8th round pick for him. We need another sweet running back. :D

[Simple Jaded]

Mike Shanahan must have an unnatural aversion to depth......

[Hobe]

I guess they feel that Paymah can handle the nickel spot as well as Foxy. They probably will get more for him now then to what till after the season. I rather see him go to the Saints, Rams or Browns. I would wish the Redskins on anyone.

[UnderArmour]

I'm going to miss Foxworth. He's been nothing but high class and high character for us.

[Skinny]

He deserves to be treated with class imo. He's done everything this team has asked him to do and with nothing but 100% effort and class himself. Total team player. Best wishes to Foxy.

[Hobe]

I hope we at least get an 8th round pick for him. We need another sweet running back. :D

Ahhhh...there is only 7 rounds now. I was hoping for a little more! ;) You right about the draft pick though. I'm sure Shanny is stock piling picks for next year or later.

[hamrob]

I think they understand what many of fans do as well. That is, that they can go out and pick up a guy off of waivers that is equally as good as Foxworth. Why not get something in return for the guy...if teams are willing to give it to us.

[ChampWJ]

Ahhhh...there is only 7 rounds now. I was hoping for a little more! ;) You right about the draft pick though. I'm sure Shanny is stock piling picks for next year or later.

LOL. I know the draft only has 7 rounds. It was a knock on the Broncos for overly relying on undrafted running backs. I will miss Foxworth, and I fully expect us to give him away for next to nothing.

[honz]

If we do trade him for a draft pick that also means that we won't have to cut one more guy upon Marshall's return from suspension.

[ChampWJ]

If we do trade him for a draft pick that also means that we won't have to cut one more guy upon Marshall's return from suspension.

Only if the Broncos play week 1 with a 52 man roster. I would bet money that won't happen.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I know there are some here who believe there is a lot to be desired from his play on the field, but he has been nothing but class on and off the field. What he's done for the Denver Community and what he has helped to in placing bandages on the franchise and families of those impacted by the passing of Darrent Williams will never be forgotten or replicated.

It will be a sad day when we lose this young, upstanding player and man from this team. Maybe he never realized his potential here on the field in Denver, but he deserves more salutes and kudos than one could ever give for the lives he's reached and touched during his brief stay in the Denver community.

Bless Foxworth, and I wish him nothing but happy trails in the future.

Foxy, you're a class act -- and I will miss you on this team. The NFL needs more players like you, and kids need more role models like you in their lives.

This one's for you man! :beer:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Draft pick or LB?

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I'm really hoping it's a draft pick. With 5-6 teams interested, they really can't lowball us with an offer for a guy who could start on all the teams listed, since they're in such dire need of help. If we got a third, I'd be stoked. If we get a fourth or something, whateva.

[dogfish]

I know there are some here who believe there is a lot to be desired from his play on the field, but he has been nothing but class on and off the field. What he's done for the Denver Community and what he has helped to in placing bandages on the franchise and families of those impacted by the passing of Darrent Williams will never be forgotten or replicated.

It will be a sad day when we lose this young, upstanding player and man from this team. Maybe he never realized his potential here on the field in Denver, but he deserves more salutes and kudos than one could ever give for the lives he's reached and touched during his brief stay in the Denver community.

Bless Foxworth, and I wish him nothing but happy trails in the future.

Foxy, you're a class act -- and I will miss you on this team. The NFL needs more players like you, and kids need more role models like you in their lives.

This one's for you man! :beer:


co-signed. . .


i've appreciated his selfless approach to the game and his involvement in the community. . .


with that said, this isn't a surprising move. . . with both he and paymah in the last years of their contracts and jack MF williams in the wings, it makes sense to move one of them now. . . with guys like DJ, cutler, marshall, kuper and dumervil all heading to free agency in the next few years, there's no way we were going to re-sign both foxworth and paymah, and the draft pick we should get in return has more value than one year of positional depth (unless you're someone who thinks we're winning the super bowl this year, which i don't). . . i love seeing us pile up those future draft picks-- you can never have too many of 'em! i hope we rob the shit out of washington yet again. . . . :elefant:


best of luck to domonique, wherever he lands-- both on and off the field!


:salute:

[dogfish]

Draft pick or LB?

draft pick please!!!

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Yeah, when I saw "Washington" -- I immediately thought of grand larceny/theft.

[G_Money]

I don't think Foxy's starting material for a winner. He does. I think he's a GREAT backup to have, but we're not re-signing him after the season - he WANTS to start. And in this league, when you see some of the guys playing the position...he can.

I wouldn't trade him. I think we're better going into the season with him as the nickel and Paymah...well, I think Paymah should go away. And he might after the season as well.

But I sure wish Foxy well in his path to trying to be a starter in this league. He's a great person and a quality member of a team, regardless of whether he gets his wish or not.

And I hope we get something good for him, because I'm greedy like that.

~G

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Yeah, G -- you bring up a good point. There was probably no way he was resigning with us (or us getting to sign both him and Paymah) after this season - so we might as well dangle him for something rather than having him leave for nothing.

Come on third rounder. . . in Redskins speak -- that'd be a 2009 first and a 2010 conditional pick! :laugh:

[NameUsedBefore]

Karl Paymah, moving on up >_>

[ChampWJ]

Karl Paymah, moving on up >_>

Sweet, bring on the pass interference calls.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

According to the RMN, the trade is supposed to happen within the next day. Teammates were stunned too.

[atwater27]

We need to get a 3rd for him. Or a linebacker/safety/defensive tackle worth a shit. Otherwise, what's the point?

[ktrain]

Karl Paymah, moving on up >_>

Paymah = dumb as a box of rocks

you've heard of TFTP?..... well he's TSTPZ (too stupid to play zone) - I am wondering how he works a a nickle back if he is always blowing zone coverages due to his pea sized brain. He is decent in man-to man coverage though. Maybe he will be the 4 th corner and JMFW takes over the Nickle????

[Broncos Mtnman]

A decent person - an average or worse player.

I wish him well, but I won't miss him. He got burned all preseason long, and that was against 2nd teamers alot of the time.

This team is loaded with tons of character guys like Foxworth. Someone else will fill that role, and in the meantime, we may get something of value for an average talent.

:coffee:

[DenBronx]

A decent person - an average or worse player.

I wish him well, but I won't miss him. He got burned all preseason long, and that was against 2nd teamers alot of the time.

This team is loaded with tons of character guys like Foxworth. Someone else will fill that role, and in the meantime, we may get something of value for an average talent.

:coffee:


agreed. i think foxy has reached the ceiling on his talent level. a 3rd, 4th or even 5th rounder in 2009 would be well worth dealing a guy were not going to resign anyway at the end of the year.

[NameUsedBefore]

This anti-Paymah talk is blasphemy! Blasphemy I tell ya!

[Lonestar]

A decent person - an average or worse player.

I wish him well, but I won't miss him. He got burned all preseason long, and that was against 2nd teamers alot of the time.

This team is loaded with tons of character guys like Foxworth. Someone else will fill that role, and in the meantime, we may get something of value for an average talent.

:coffee:

My thoughts exactly while lots of folks have been riding a man crush on/with him.. He is nice guy but has been unable to stop the underneath catch.. PERIOD.. third and decent throw it underneath to his player and it is a 1st down.. He is a great tackler but he does not IMO know how to play the ball and WR.. to prevent completions..

If they can get PBJ for him they are ahead of the deal.. No more foxworthless on the site.. Hallelujah.. Maybe there is a real safety out there we can pick up to take his roster spot....

[hamrob]

My thoughts exactly while lots of folks have been riding a man crush on/with him.. He is nice guy but has been unable to stop the underneath catch.. PERIOD.. third and decent throw it underneath to his player and it is a 1st down.. He is a great tackler but he does not IMO know how to play the ball and WR.. to prevent completions..

If they can get PBJ for him they are ahead of the deal.. No more foxworthless on the site.. Hallelujah.. Maybe there is a real safety out there we can pick up to take his roster spot....Finally, we are on the same page! :D

[underrated29]

LMAO at all the poeple that said foxworth would supplant dre bly for the starting position!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It does suck because he has such class and is a team first, high character kind of guy. It will be sad to see him go, but on the other hand most of us knew he wasnt going to be here next season so we might as well get what we can for him....


One thing that came to my mind with all these suttle little trades etc. Does anyone see this as a foreshadowing for what shanny wants to do next year in the first round.

Package up some picks to move into a position to nab a malualeaga/larinitis???

Just a thought..

[Buff]

I wish we were having this conversation about Paymah instead of Foxy, but I imagine the fact that he's been on the field more than Paymah and can play Safety in an emergency type situation increases his value. Not to mention Foxy's intangibles and his work in with the NFLPA probably make him a more marketable product.

Jack Williams' play in the preseason and the acquisition of Lowry probably sealed the deal. I do like the fact that we're now the team acquiring 2nd day picks instead of shipping them away for retreads. Let's hope that trend continues.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Nothing but class. This is why I will miss him. (http://cbs4denver.com/video/?id=46217@kcnc.dayport.com)

[Watchthemiddle]

Package up some picks to move into a position to nab a malualeaga/larinitis???

Just a thought..


:woot::woot:

[omac]

Hopefully, he learns to anticipate more, and get aggressive and take chances instead of playing safe; he'll get burned, but he might turn out to be an excelent corner.

Good luck, Foxy! :beer:

[BroncoWave]

Good, the only problem I have is that they waited this long to get rid of him. Should have done it after the 06 AFCCG.

[pnbronco]

Best of Luck Foxy. Thank you for all that you did for our community.

[underrated29]

Rumor has it over at the BM that we traded foxworth to the lions for shaun cody. (de/dt)

ANyways - it could be total rubbish since they didnt post a link, but i figured i would let you all know what the others seem to think.

I dont even know who the hell shaun cody is. Is he good?

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Shaun Cody makes Amon Gordon look like an All-Pro.

[underrated29]

well hell ya then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was supposed to be the little duck smiley in there. But it didnt show.

[dogfish]

cody's another USC underachiever. . . i hope it's not true-- i'd rather have a draft pick. . . .

[ikillz0mbies]

Shaun Cody is actually a nice guy....I met him a couple times when he was still in high school, other than that I don't know what else to say.

[NameUsedBefore]

Rumor has it over at the BM that we traded foxworth to the lions for shaun cody. (de/dt)

ANyways - it could be total rubbish since they didnt post a link, but i figured i would let you all know what the others seem to think.

I dont even know who the hell shaun cody is. Is he good?

Sounds like BM :lol:

[omac]

Just a scouting report on Cody, not that we're sure he's a Bronco or anything ...

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/06/scouting_report_shaun_cody.html


Scouting Report: Shaun Cody
by Tom Kowalski
Sunday June 01, 2008, 6:08 AM

Editor's note: Compare Lions Insider Tom Kowalski's 2007 scouting report on Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Cody with this year's report below.

SHAUN CODY
2008 Scouting report

The Lions didn't spend a third-round draft pick on Andre Fluellen because they've been thrilled with Cody's production over the last two years. What's been maddening for the coaching staff is that there's no reason why Cody should be so ineffective and inconsistent. He's got good strength and excellent quickness, but he just doesn't put it altogether on a regular basis.

A lingering toe injury limited him two years ago, but he was healthy enough last year and didn't get much accomplished. Of Detroit's regular eight-man defensive line rotation, Cody was the only player not to record a sack. And he was rarely disruptive and failed to create opportunities for other players.

Some members of the organization believe Cody's biggest issue has been his less-than-intense approach to the game and they believe Shaun Rogers' departure will help send the message. Perhaps, but Cody isn't going to get a lot of time to prove that he can step up his game.

While rookie Cliff Avril slotted as a pass-rush specialist and Ikaika Alama-Francis' ability to move inside on passing downs, the Lions are only likely to keep four defensive tackles. Cory Redding has a lock on one job while Chuck Darby (because of his Tampa Two experience) and Fluellen (because of draft status) likely will win two other spots.

That means Cody has to beat out Langston Moore for the final position and, if you were to base that competition solely on last year's production, Cody will be out of a job.

But now Cody has one last chance to have his production match his potential. The clock is ticking.

[topscribe]

I wish we were having this conversation about Paymah instead of Foxy, but I imagine the fact that he's been on the field more than Paymah and can play Safety in an emergency type situation increases his value. Not to mention Foxy's intangibles and his work in with the NFLPA probably make him a more marketable product.

Jack Williams' play in the preseason and the acquisition of Lowry probably sealed the deal. I do like the fact that we're now the team acquiring 2nd day picks instead of shipping them away for retreads. Let's hope that trend continues.

If I had to make a wild guess, it would be that this impending trade is more
than just jettisoning a player. Unloading Foxy, as Champ said, weakens their
depth. They are really taking a chance with only four CBs.

Adding to that is that Foxy has become a CB of starting quality. Not many
teams have a nickel back who is of starting quality. Plus, Foxy has a first-
rate attitude and is more than a solid member of the community.

I have a sneaking hunch the Broncos may have their eyes on a player, or
players, in positions that still remain relatively effete, such as DT.

I may be wrong, but that is my suspicion.

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[Timmy!]

Foxy starting quality? I dunno about that. He got WORKED against the Cards 2nd team (and most of the preseason). I like Foxy, he gives a solid effort, tackles well, and is one of the "good guys" in the NFL, but he's NOT a great corner, and, IMHO, never will be as his coverage skills suck. I'm not very high on Paymah either, but JMFW looks to be the real deal. He reminds me a lot of this other kid that had the last name of Williams. That being said, I wish Foxy the best, but jack of all trades, master of none, hopefully gets us a 4+ round pick. I'll take it. I couldn't stomach Foxy playing safety again this season. I'll take Lowry. As other posters have mentioned, I foresee a multiple pick package to move up and get a another impact player next draft. I like it.

[Lonestar]

the only reason foxworthless was a nickle or maybe even dime this years was he would have never beat out Bl whom I do not hold in really high regard either..

I was a team leader in tackle because he allowed completed catch after completed pass. Usually after a first down..

Hopefully we got something for him of value..

[hamrob]

What I don't get is why some reports are saying we might...outright...release him. What is that all about?

[Timmy!]

What I don't get is why some reports are saying we might...outright...release him. What is that all about?

I doubt it. There is no way we cut him. If we can't get anything for him (which we will, even if it is a 6th, which I doubt, we should be able to take the best offer as several teams are interested), we won't cut him. Worst case, he's a Bronco this season and we don't resign him in the offseason. There is no way we cut him for nothing at this point.

[hamrob]

Looks like it's a done deal and we got SCREWED!

Bronco Foxworth Traded To Atanta Falcons
DOVE VALLEY, Colo. (CBS4) ― CBS4 has learned that the Denver Broncos have traded Domonique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons.

The Broncos will receive a 7th round draft pick for the 4th year defensive back.

Foxworth is in the final year of his current contract and if he were to resign with Atlanta after this season, the Broncos would also receive a 6th round draft pick.

Foxworth was chosen in the 3rd round of the 2005 NFL draft by the Broncos.

In his 3 years with Denver, he started 18 games.

Last season, he was primarily used as a "nickel back" in passing situations.

Foxworth has also been very involved in the Denver community.

He played an instrumental role in the development of the Darrent Williams Memorial Teen Center in northeast Denver.

[ChampWJ]

Looks like it's a done deal and we got SCREWED!

Bronco Foxworth Traded To Atanta Falcons
DOVE VALLEY, Colo. (CBS4) ― CBS4 has learned that the Denver Broncos have traded Domonique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons.The Broncos will receive a 7th round draft pick for the 4th year defensive back.

Foxworth is in the final year of his current contract and if he were to resign with Atlanta after this season, the Broncos would also receive a 6th round draft pick.

Foxworth was chosen in the 3rd round of the 2005 NFL draft by the Broncos.

In his 3 years with Denver, he started 18 games.

Last season, he was primarily used as a "nickel back" in passing situations.

Foxworth has also been very involved in the Denver community.

He played an instrumental role in the development of the Darrent Williams Memorial Teen Center in northeast Denver.

How does this help us exactly? Wow, a 7th rounder.

[Timmy!]

Dunno about screwed, as a 6th or 7th is better than nothing. Hillis was a 7th round pick, and watch what he's going to do :)

Either way, ammo to move up for nothing is a good thing. Champ, Bly, Paymah, JMFW is not week at CB, and many temporary 1 year stopgaps are out there in FA.

[ChampWJ]

Dunno about screwed, as a 6th or 7th is better than nothing. Hillis was a 7th round pick, and watch what he's going to do :)

Either way, ammo to move up for nothing is a good thing. Champ, Bly, Paymah, JMFW is not week at CB, and many temporary 1 year stopgaps are out there in FA.

The Falcons just acquired a player who will start for them and be a positive influence in the locker room and the community for a 7th round pick. A 7th round pick! What team in the league wouldn't do that deal?

[Timmy!]

The Falcons just acquired a player who will start for them and be a positive influence in the locker room and the community for a 7th round pick. A 7th round pick! What team in the league wouldn't do that deal?

Good point. I honestly think it's a win/win deal for both teams. Foxy will probably perform well enough for them that they will resign him, costing them a 6th. Am I happy to let Foxy go for a 6th? Not really. Is a 6th better than nothing? Yes. As I said, I see this as part of a package of picks to move up to get an impact player. I wish Foxy the best (minus 1 game) ;)

[dogfish]

ouch! man, that's low-- i was hoping for more than that. . .




Dunno about screwed, as a 6th or 7th is better than nothing. Hillis was a 7th round pick, and watch what he's going to do :)

Either way, ammo to move up for nothing is a good thing. Champ, Bly, Paymah, JMFW is not week at CB, and many temporary 1 year stopgaps are out there in FA.

for us to get value out of it, it'll have to be a player. . . a 7th doesn't give you any ammo to move up, unless you want to move up two spots in the 6th round. . . 7th's aren't worth more than a point or two. . . but, i will take another player like hillis if we can find one. . . it's better than cutting him outright, at any rate. . . still disappointing, though. . .




*cue vicious parting shot from JR*

[ChampWJ]

2005 Draft War Room:

Shanahan: "I've really got my eye on your 7th rounder in 2009, we need another camp body."

Atlanta: "We might be willing to let it go for your 4th this year, as long as you can assure us that player will turn out to be above average and a quality individual"

Shanahan: "That's all you want for it? Really? Sold."


Honestly, I would rather have Foxworth's services around here for a year and lose him to free agency for nothing than give him away for a 7th. What a joke.

[Timmy!]

ouch! man, that's low-- i was hoping for more than that. . .





for us to get value out of it, it'll have to be a player. . . a 7th doesn't give you any ammo to move up, unless you want to move up two spots in the 6th round. . . 7th's aren't worth more than a point or two. . . but, i will take another player like hillis if we can find one. . . it's better than cutting him outright, at any rate. . . still disappointing, though. . .




*cue vicious parting shot from JR*

Bottom line 6th>nothing.

Do I like it for this season? No.

Am I happy that the Broncos are stock piling picks? Yes.

Let's think about it, say we are at pick 20 in 2009 (just guessing obviously)

2010 5th (isn't that what we got for Holland?), 2009 6th (Foxy), 2009 3rd and 2009 1st (to move up 10 spots or so) to get what we want? It's all BS right now, but it makes sense. We'll see.

[CoachChaz]

A 3rd round draft choice DB that has the skillset of almost any 7th round DB. Foxy is baggage. He's buried behind Champ and Dre and Williams is the heir apparent. Where does the value factor come in? If Denver were to give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for another teams dime back, everyone here would have a fit. Be realistic.

[red98]

It's a 7th
and a 6th (if they re-sign him)



Not that that's much better...

[DenBronx]

i'm on the band wagon of thinking something is better than nothing for a guy we were going to lose anyway. i thought he was worth at least a 5th but i think the broncos were just wanting to hurry and deal him to make room for someone of interest. the broncos might have their eyes on one last key free agent before the season starts.

who knows, maybe the lions also included a player in the trade and we havnt got the whole report yet.

[broncobryce]

Yeah, sounds like they were going to cut him when they signed that safety from the Titans. So they took what they could get. I thought he was a good 3rd corner, until this preseason he looked like crap. He must have felt JMFW breathing down his neck.

[Magnificent Seven]

It looks like Tennessee Titans might interested in Foxworth

[G_Money]

Foxworth was worth more to us than the 7th we picked up. A 7th and a 6th is slightly more interesting. I don't know why we didn't keep him. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to trade the better of our backup DBs for essentially nothing. I mean, it's nice to get *a* draftpick for somebody who's not gonna make the team...but Foxy WAS gonna make the team.

He might not have been on NEXT year's team, but if Bly goes down with an injury - as seems likely considering his recent health history - we sure might need a CB who can just slide in and play competently.

JMFW might be the answer. I can pretty much guarantee Paymah isn't.

Just a strange decision. I know Foxworth wants to start, but it's not in Shanahan's nature to make trades to favor a player instead of himself.

It weakens us for this year. It doesn't immediately do anything to strengthen us in future years.

Hard to call it a win for us just now.

~G

[topscribe]

Looks like it's a done deal and we got SCREWED!

Bronco Foxworth Traded To Atanta Falcons
DOVE VALLEY, Colo. (CBS4) ― CBS4 has learned that the Denver Broncos have traded Domonique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons.

The Broncos will receive a 7th round draft pick for the 4th year defensive back.

Foxworth is in the final year of his current contract and if he were to resign with Atlanta after this season, the Broncos would also receive a 6th round draft pick.

Foxworth was chosen in the 3rd round of the 2005 NFL draft by the Broncos.

In his 3 years with Denver, he started 18 games.

Last season, he was primarily used as a "nickel back" in passing situations.

Foxworth has also been very involved in the Denver community.

He played an instrumental role in the development of the Darrent Williams Memorial Teen Center in northeast Denver.

SEVENTH ROUNDER?? :mad:

Crap. Are they in middle of a drunken orgy up there, or what??

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[Retired_Member_001]

Why the hell are we DEPLETING the squad?

This is just stupid and you can tell it's stupid because Topscribe just swore.

:eek:

[claymore]

This is retarded.

[broncofaninfla]

Yeah, I don't see teh sense in this at all. He was worth way more than a 7th rounder!

[MOtorboat]

Is he hurt?

[chanesaw]

This makes more sense than trading Warren last year, but I think we would have received better compensation (3rd or 4th comp pick) if we would have let him leave as FA.

[Buff]

Yeah, I don't see teh sense in this at all. He was worth way more than a 7th rounder!

Well, apparently he was not.

I'm with you, when I woke up this morning and read that all we got was a 7th rounder I was bitter... But the more I think about it, the more it makes sense (sort of). I mean, everyone could see that Foxworth and Paymah have been average at best this preseason. Meanwhile, J. Williams has shown he is ready to see some time right away.

The way I see it, and the way I assume the coaches saw it, is that Paymah and Foxworth are essentially interchangeable. They want to get Williams on the field, so that meant Paymah or Foxworth was going to be riding the pine unless we saw an injury. Rather than let one of them wallow away on the bench, we thought we'd try to eek some value out of them. Paymah doesn't have any trade value, and really, we were just trying to salvage the little value Foxworth still had.

So the question becomes, would you rather have a 7th rounder (potentially 6th) or depth on the bench? I think initially most of us are inclined to say we'd rather have quality depth-- but the reality of the situation is that Foxworth's play has been mediocre and we're really not losing much (if anything) by playing Paymah/Williams instead. Once we got more depth at Safety, I think the front office made the desicion to move on with 1 less DB and they figure Paymah wouldn't fetch anything, so we may as well move Foxy while we still can.

[Rick]

Warner and Lienart combined 14 - 18 vs Foxy and CO.

Brad Johnson 9 - 12 vs Foxy and CO.

Sage Rosenfels 10 - 15 vs Foxy and CO.

I like Foxy a lot as a person but if that is the quality of our depth then I just don't know how we would have got much more for any of the back ups.

Part of that is lack of pass rush but wow, those 4 players a combined 33 - 45 73%...

To be fair our starters did not fair any better but if we are judging the guy traded on needing the depth we can get any bad player in here for depth, losing a bad player to draft picks isn't a bad thing...

[Northman]

How funny, so many people thought Foxy was garbage and yet when we get a 7th for him everyone is up in arms about it. lmao

[TheSportsGuru]

Here are my thoughts on the situation --

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/9/2/605885/denver-broncos-trade-domon

The fact is, Foxy was about to become the 5th CB. What would you want the Broncos to give up if the tables were turned?

[NightTrainLayne]

How funny, so many people thought Foxy was garbage and yet when we get a 7th for him everyone is up in arms about it. lmao

Exactly. How many times have we complained about the front-office holding onto players and then just releasing them when they have no value left and we're all stuck holding the bag.

Of course, we'd always like to have more, but something in this case is better than nothing.

I have a strange feeling that had we kept Foxworth on the roster and then ended up releasing him next year when there were no offers on the table for him everyone would be complaining about how we should have gotten rid of him earlier when he had value.

[turftoad]

the only reason foxworthless was a nickle or maybe even dime this years was he would have never beat out Bl whom I do not hold in really high regard either..

I was a team leader in tackle because he allowed completed catch after completed pass. Usually after a first down..

Hopefully we got something for him of value..


A 3rd round draft choice DB that has the skillset of almost any 7th round DB. Foxy is baggage. He's buried behind Champ and Dre and Williams is the heir apparent. Where does the value factor come in? If Denver were to give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for another teams dime back, everyone here would have a fit. Be realistic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. Foxworth is a good person.

He is not a good football player. He got burnt ALL preseason when he started vs 2nd rate guys.
If he was worth a 3rd, he would have been plucked off our roster when we franchised him for a 3rd.
He'd better be a good tackler because he allows the catch just about every time. If he couldn't tackle, it'd be taken to the house every time.
Paymah and Williams are both better than him. Trading him for a 7th is better than cutting him and getting nothing at all.

For those of you bummed out about this deal, go back and watch some pre season games.
As JR says "Foxworhtless" is a good man, just not a good football player.

[claymore]

I guess I didnt pay enough attention to Preseason. I thought Foxworth did a damn good job on TO. and thought he was good to go.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Seventh rounder this year, and a fifth if he re-signs with Atlanta. We got something out of him. He wouldn't have re-signed after this season. I'm disappointed in the compensation, but it's better than a kick in the nuts.

[MOtorboat]

Seventh rounder this year, and a fifth if he re-signs with Atlanta. We got something out of him. He wouldn't have re-signed after this season. I'm disappointed in the compensation, but it's better than a kick in the nuts.

It kind of feels like a kick in the nuts.

[ChampWJ]

Since we're in such a giving mood, maybe we can find someone who will do a straight up swap with us and give us a 3rd or 4th rounder next year for our 1st rounder.

[turftoad]

BRONCOS TRADE FOXWORTH TO FALCONS
Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2008, 9:54 a.m.
CBS 4 in Denver reports that the Broncos have dealt cornerback Dominique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons.

In return, the Broncos will receive a seventh-round pick. If the Falcons re-sign Foxworth this year, the pick upgrades to a sixth-rounder.
Foxworth, a third-round pick in 2005, started 18 games in three seasons. He played mainly as a nickel back last year.

Foxworth was one of the players who took the January 2007 death of Darrent Williams particularly hard, and the simple reality could be that Foxworth needed to move on before he truly could move on.

[NightTrainLayne]

BRONCOS TRADE FOXWORTH TO FALCONS
Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2008, 9:54 a.m.
CBS 4 in Denver reports that the Broncos have dealt cornerback Dominique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons.

In return, the Broncos will receive a seventh-round pick. If the Falcons re-sign Foxworth this year, the pick upgrades to a sixth-rounder.
Foxworth, a third-round pick in 2005, started 18 games in three seasons. He played mainly as a nickel back last year.

Foxworth was one of the players who took the January 2007 death of Darrent Williams particularly hard, and the simple reality could be that Foxworth needed to move on before he truly could move on.

So, basically we traded him for a 6th rounder.

If he's not good enough to resign with the Falcons then we essentially got a freebie 7th rounder.

Wish that first interpretation of a 6th AND a 7th had been right though. .. would have been a little better.

[Dreadnought]

I am all in favor of the trade; Foxy wasn't having a good preseason...but damn...a 7th?! Oh well, its not a catastrophe, just a not very good deal for a not all that valuable a CB. Bring on JMFW!

[Shazam!]

Tch. I liked Foxy. Oh well.

[topscribe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.............. Foxworth is a good person.

He is not a good football player. He got burnt ALL preseason when he started vs 2nd rate guys.
If he was worth a 3rd, he would have been plucked off our roster when we franchised him for a 3rd.
He'd better be a good tackler because he allows the catch just about every time. If he couldn't tackle, it'd be taken to the house every time.
Paymah and Williams are both better than him. Trading him for a 7th is better than cutting him and getting nothing at all.

For those of you bummed out about this deal, go back and watch some pre season games.
As JR says "Foxworhtless" is a good man, just not a good football player.

Well, as it turns out, I guess you and JR and Coach are right. From all the
hype I got out of camp, I was under the impression Foxy had finally come
into his own this year. And it distressed me that he was so owned in the
Cardinals game, but I figured, well, that was the Cardinals receivers he was
up against, and they are among the best in the game.

But if Shanny is willing to take such a low price for him . . . I have said all
along that Shanny is the one who sees the players day in and day out, and
we aren't. And those coaches have forgotten more about football than I
will ever know. So I must accept that the Broncos did the right thing.

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[Requiem / The Dagda]

RMN and DP I believe said we'll get a fifth too if he re-signs.

God, it's like the Holland trade.

Nobody knows for sure.

Whatevre.

[BroncoWave]

I kinda wish we had gotten more for him but I have been one of his harshest critics so I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say we should have gotten alot more for him.

[Lonestar]

one quick thought here..

He almost always allowed the receiver to catch the ball.. He was a sure tackler no doubt but if your giving up automatic 1st downs what are you really accomplishing..

NOW I did not scour the tapes of the games this year but every time they threw at him tit was a underneath completion.. Does he always play off the LOS to keep them in front of him by direction of the coaches or is he even capable of playing it close?.. Did he lose his confidence?.. or playing tough bump and run.?

What ever it was he was not getting the job done.. Maybe with better coaching, a change of scenery or just getting to play more he will get better. I wish him well.. It was not happening here..

Now the bright side he is going to ATL one of the two worst teams int eh NFL so his 7 the rounder is like getting an extra 6th and if he does well there we almost get another 5th.. Which folks is alot more than we were going to get after he went FA..

[turftoad]

I kinda wish we had gotten more for him but I have been one of his harshest critics so I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say we should have gotten alot more for him.

I'm sure we shopped him.

Teams must have thought there were players out there on the waiver wire that were as good if not better than Foxy or else they would have been in a bidding war.

It's evident that Foxy's worth is a 6-7th round draft choice, that's what other teams were offering and that's what we took.

[Lonestar]

Tch. I liked Foxy. Oh well.

He was a nice guy and a character PLUS in the NFL but what counts is on th field..
I hope he plays lights out in ATL he deserves that for being a nice guy.. and then of course we get a better choice in the next draft..

BTW just because mikey has got a few gems there .. the odds are very small he will find another TD here are all of his 6-7th rounders with TWO keepers in MA and TD..


2008
7 220 Josh Barrett SAF Arizona State
7 227 Peyton Hillis FB Arkansas

2006
6 198 Greg Eslinger C Minnesota

2005
6 200 Chris Myers G Miami (Fla.)
7 239 Paul Ernster K Northern Arizona

2004
6 171 Triandos Luke WR Alabama
6 190 Josh Sewell -- Nebraska
7 225 Matt Mauck QB Louisiana State
7 247 Brandon Miree RB Pittsburgh
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt QB Colorado State

2003
6 194 Aaron Hunt -- Texas Tech
7 227 Clint Mitchell DE Florida
7 235 Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama

2002
6 191 Jeb Putzier TE Boise State
7 228 Chris Young DB Georgia Tech
7 231 Monsanto Pope DT Virginia

2001
6 190 Kevin Kasper WR Iowa

2000
6 189 Mike Anderson RB Utah
7 214 Jarious Jackson QB Notre Dame
7 246 Leroy Fields -- Jackson State

1999
6 179 Desmond Clark TE Wake Forest
6 204 Chad Plummer WR Cincinnati
7 218 Billy Miller WR USC
7 238 Justin Swift TE Kansas State

1998
7 200 Trey Teague T Tennessee
7 219 Nate Wayne LB Mississippi

1996
6 181 Tony Veland DB Nebraska
7 213 Leslie Ratliffe -- Tennessee
7 226 Chris Banks G Kansas
7 235 L.T. Levine -- Kansas
7 236 Brian Gragert -- Wyoming

1995
6 182 Fritz Fequiere -- Iowa
6 196 Terrell Davis RB Georgia
7 218 Steve Russ LB Air Force
7 222 Byron Chamberlain WR Wayne State (Neb.)

[WARHORSE]

Great character. Good play. But obviously Denver felt the need to let him go. I can only assume that means they are happy with what they have without Foxworth, which is good news to us.

Lowry is the replacement character wise supposedly, and I hope his big hitting style earns him a job starting. If he can come in and replace someone, we scored.

Good luck Foxworth...........I hope you get paid in full.

[ChampWJ]

RMN and DP I believe said we'll get a fifth too if he re-signs.

God, it's like the Holland trade.

Nobody knows for sure.

Whatevre.

I usually take your word on things like this, but I can't find anything about a 5th.

Denver Post: "The Denver Broncos traded cornerback Domonique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday for an undisclosed draft choice in 2009.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10362315

RMN: "Initially the deal appears to be for a seventh-round pick, though the compensation could improve if Foxworth, who will be an unrestricted free agent at season's end, re-signs with the Falcons."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/02/Broncos-nfl-foxworth-appears-headed-falcons/

So far, it looks like everything indicates the deal is for a 7th, and if he resigns that pick upgrades to a 6th, not an additional pick. Hopefully more details will emerge as the day goes on.

On another note, Foxworth is expected in Atlanta around 3pm to complete his physical.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/09/02/falcons_trade_foxworth.html

[LRtagger]

NOW I did not scour the tapes of the games this year but every time they threw at him tit was a underneath completion.. Does he always play off the LOS to keep them in front of him by direction of the coaches or is he even capable of playing it close?.. Did he lose his confidence?.. or playing tough bump and run.?



He gave a bit of a cushion. He got beat deep against some scrub in the Dallas game and then gave up a TD to the same guy on the very next play.

Seems like every team we played this preseason picked on Fox. I liked the guy, but he just wasnt getting it done. If we can get another player like Hillis with the 6th/7th then it was more than worth it IMO.

Now I will get to watch us beat two of our old players at the Atlanta game...still trying to decide if I should boo or cheer Elam :lol:

[atwater27]

If all the league could offer was a freaking 7th rounder, we should have just kept him as a straight up nickel or dime back. Useless and worthless trade.

[Buff]

one quick thought here..

He almost always allowed the receiver to catch the ball.. He was a sure tackler no doubt but if your giving up automatic 1st downs what are you really accomplishing..
..

Exactly Jr, and that's the difference between a 1st stringer and a 4th stringer in the NFL-- Everyone's athletic, we know they're gonna be in the neighborhood of the ball and the receiver, but the elite players make plays on the ball. That was Foxy's problem, good positioning and decent tackling-- but he just wasn't enough of a ball-hawker.

[underrated29]

If all the league could offer was a freaking 7th rounder, we should have just kept him as a straight up nickel or dime back. Useless and worthless trade.



I THOUGHT so at first as well, for a freaking 7th. But then i realized several things:
1.- he was going to leave as a FA so we might as well get something for him
2.- he was good, but he couldnt break up any passes, just tackle the wr when they do make the catch.
3.- We can get our young guys that much more PT and experience.

So i kinda see this when we are facing a triple spread look. Champ and dre back on the outside while paymah (who excells in press) works on the slot or JMFW since he has such fluid hips and speed takes slot and payms takes the other wr.

[broncobryce]

I THOUGHT so at first as well, for a freaking 7th. But then i realized several things:
1.- he was going to leave as a FA so we might as well get something for him
2.- he was good, but he couldnt break up any passes, just tackle the wr when they do make the catch.
3.- We can get our young guys that much more PT and experience.

So i kinda see this when we are facing a triple spread look. Champ and dre back on the outside while paymah (who excells in press) works on the slot or JMFW since he has such fluid hips and speed takes slot and payms takes the other wr.

You are right on the money here:salute:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

it sux that we only got a 7, but at least it clears a roster spot.

I still don't get how Holland haas that much more value though...

[Buff]

it sux that we only got a 7, but at least it clears a roster spot.

I still don't get how Holland haas that much more value though...

That's a head-scratcher for me too... The only thing I can figure is that Dallas really had a need at the G position with their injuries, and they had a chance to scout Holland first hand. Not to mention being a little overweight on their O-line is actually welcomed.

[honz]

Yeah, we wish they could have gotten more for him, but the fact is that he was evidently not a part of our future so the Broncos got what they could for him instead of just letting him walk after this season. I've always been a Foxy supporter, but he was rather unimpressive in the preseason and I think this was the right move.

[LRtagger]

I'm sure the Cards game didnt help his stock any...should have shopped him around the draft like I had suggested. I bet we could have gotten a higher pick on draft day from NE. Maybe a 4th.

[topscribe]

Go over and read a great article on this at Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/9/2/605885/denver-broncos-trade-domon).

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[hamrob]

That's a head-scratcher for me too... The only thing I can figure is that Dallas really had a need at the G position with their injuries, and they had a chance to scout Holland first hand. Not to mention being a little overweight on their O-line is actually welcomed.The trade is about even. The Holland trade was for a 5th in 2010. The Foxworth trade gives us a 7th in 09...value = a 6th in 2010. Then...if foxworth resigns with Atlanta...we get an added 6th in 2010. Seems to be about even to me.

[LRtagger]

The trade is about even. The Holland trade was for a 5th in 2010. The Foxworth trade gives us a 7th in 09...value = a 6th in 2010. Then...if foxworth resigns with Atlanta...we get an added 6th in 2010. Seems to be about even to me.


New reports say if he re-signs the pick will be UPGRADED from a 7th to a 6th.

[Retired_Member_001]

Why the hell are we DEPLETING the squad?

This is just stupid and you can tell it's stupid because Topscribe just swore.

:eek:

He went back and edited it.

It's alright Topscribe, we won't hold you up on this one.

[Buff]

How the Foxworth trade went down

September 2, 2008 2:18 PM


Posted by ESPN.com' s Bill Williamson


I just got off the phone with Domonique Foxworth. He was headed to the Atlanta Falcons' facility after taking a 6 a.m. flight from Denver. A physical and meetings await.

"It's been a hectic 24 hours," Foxworth said. "But it's for the best."

Foxworth said he was contacted by the Broncos early Tuesday morning. He was told that he had a flight to Atlanta in six hours. He was told he was the newest member of the Atlanta Falcons.

That phone call ended a long day for Foxworth. It started Monday morning when he was summoned into coach Mike Shanahan's office. Shanahan told Foxworth that the Broncos were talking to seven or eight teams and that he would be traded in the next day or so. Foxworth, who earlier this year said he heard rumors that he would be traded to Detroit or Cleveland, was told to go home and await the deal.

After a fairly quiet afternoon, Foxworth said things got heated up in the evening. He was in constant contact with his agent Brian Mackler, who was in contact with the Broncos and interested teams. Foxworth said it came down to the Falcons, Houston and Kansas City. Foxworth said the Chiefs wanted him to sign an extension for one year. His contract is up after this season and he is a free agent. He said he didn't want to sign a one-year deal, and he didn't know how well he fits into the Chiefs' defensive scheme.

"In the end, this is the best fit for me," Foxworth said. "I will miss Denver in some ways, but this is my new home now."

Foxworth and the Falcons meet Denver Nov. 16.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation

I'm just glad we didn't ship him to KC. I'd hate to root against Foxy.

[Tned]

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but was there any announcement from Shanahan as to who will be the nickel back?

[jrelway]

we have enough stand up guys on this team..i want to some more champs and marshalls and cutlers.

[dekers]

I usually take your word on things like this, but I can't find anything about a 5th.

Denver Post: "The Denver Broncos traded cornerback Domonique Foxworth to the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday for an undisclosed draft choice in 2009.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10362315

RMN: "Initially the deal appears to be for a seventh-round pick, though the compensation could improve if Foxworth, who will be an unrestricted free agent at season's end, re-signs with the Falcons."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/02/Broncos-nfl-foxworth-appears-headed-falcons/

So far, it looks like everything indicates the deal is for a 7th, and if he resigns that pick upgrades to a 6th, not an additional pick. Hopefully more details will emerge as the day goes on.

On another note, Foxworth is expected in Atlanta around 3pm to complete his physical.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/09/02/falcons_trade_foxworth.html
I wish denver would just tell us , according to the Falcons web site it is based on playing time not if he resigns. ?
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/A...ter_moves.aspx



FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today completed a trade with the Denver Broncos, acquiring cornerback Domonique Foxworth for a 2009 seventh round draft pick, contingent on Foxworth’s playing time this season. Atlanta also claimed safety Jamaal Fudge off waivers from Jacksonville and released cornerback Blue Adams and fullback Corey McIntyre.

Foxworth, 5-11, 180 pounds, was a third round selection by the Broncos in the 2005 NFL Draft and enters his fourth year in the league. In 48 career games, he has totaled 166 tackles (138 solo), three interceptions, 34 passes defensed, three forced fumbles and one fumble recovery. Foxworth was actively involved in the community in Denver and was recognized as the Broncos’ Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award winner in 2007.

Fudge, 5-9, 194 pounds, enters his third year in the NFL having spent the last two seasons with the Jacksonville Jaguars. He has competed in 20 career games while totaling 15 tackles (12 solo), one forced fumble and one fumble recovery. Fudge was coached by Mike Smith when he served as Jacksonville’s defensive coordinator from 2003-07.

[dekers]

RMN and DP I believe said we'll get a fifth too if he re-signs.

God, it's like the Holland trade.

Nobody knows for sure.

Whatevre.

I wish denver would just tell us , according to the Falcons web site it is based on playing time not if he resigns. ?
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/A...ter_moves.aspx



FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. – The Atlanta Falcons today completed a trade with the Denver Broncos, acquiring cornerback Domonique Foxworth for a 2009 seventh round draft pick, contingent on Foxworth’s playing time this season. Atlanta also claimed safety Jamaal Fudge off waivers from Jacksonville and released cornerback Blue Adams and fullback Corey McIntyre.

Foxworth, 5-11, 180 pounds, was a third round selection by the Broncos in the 2005 NFL Draft and enters his fourth year in the league. In 48 career games, he has totaled 166 tackles (138 solo), three interceptions, 34 passes defensed, three forced fumbles and one fumble recovery. Foxworth was actively involved in the community in Denver and was recognized as the Broncos’ Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award winner in 2007.

Fudge, 5-9, 194 pounds, enters his third year in the NFL having spent the last two seasons with the Jacksonville Jaguars. He has competed in 20 career games while totaling 15 tackles (12 solo), one forced fumble and one fumble recovery. Fudge was coached by Mike Smith when he served as Jacksonville’s defensive coordinator from 2003-07.

[Hawgdriver]

I guess I'm late to the lovefest, but 'Nique is one of the few players for which I would want to write an NFL 'team eulogy'.

First, I'm excited. I think he's in a talent logjam here, and that's really a shame. By the time he peaks, and I think he'll be a solid player for years to come, he'll be elsewhere and we'll be back to trading blue chip running backs for corners. From an organizational standpoint, it makes sense though. We could use the draft picks; we still have a ways to go toward building the dominant franchise of the 10's, and this fits that plan. Although I'm still on the Foxworth bandwagon, I have always been waiting to see that final stage of dominance from him. He's been a capable tackler, and good with assignments in both safety and corner roles, but I guess I wish he was more aggressive. I guess that's the perception with 'good guys'--you wonder if they have that mad-dog, back alley attitude you want to see in your secondary. Dominque always struck me as more of a perfectionist--wanting to learn, correct, and fine tune. I think part of me was waiting to see a nasty 'Nique that just wanted to thrill the next WR who dared to run the 7yd quick out. Instead, he was a sure tackler and low-risk player who seldom if ever got burnt badly, and always played intelligently.

But that's the real conundrum--chip on the shoulder vs. clean cut, because in truth I've grown a little distant from the team in the last couple of years. Between the Travis Henry catastrophe, the arrests, and the Javon Walker Oprah episodes, I wanted a team that represented the kind of character I think the Broncos should epitomize--the kind of character I think Foxworth has. It's sad that we are losing that kind of a role model, but I hope it's for the best for both the team and for Dominique. I know I'll miss him and will always be excited when he shines. Except when Brandon Marshall bulldozes and stiffarms him to the earth in a display of Orange and Blue power and dominance! :D Was that out of line?

Happy trails, 'Nique.

Edit: a 7th? Damn...

[Retired_Member_001]

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but was there any announcement from Shanahan as to who will be the nickel back?

I'm not sure who will immediately get it, but I think Jack Williams will be our nickel by the end of the season. I think this is Karl Paymah's chance to show us, or another team whether he is any good. I guess we will have to wait and see.

[BeefStew25]

A 7th, huh? Is it really worth it?

[Tned]

A 7th, huh? Is it really worth it?

Probably not, but it was probably more about wanting to free up a roster spot for something else, like the guard the signed, and rather than just cutting him, they go a 7th round pick.