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Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 01:04 PM
How long would it be before the fans screamed for the coaches head? I mean we all know what the team would look like right? And what is that exactly crap.

Vikings look like crap with the night and day performance of Favre this season compared to last.

Cardinals...

The list goes on and on and on proving just how huge of a detrimental impact the QB can have on the entire team.

GEM
10-27-2010, 01:15 PM
Well no shit sherlock...now what does this have to do with the Broncos?

camdisco24
10-27-2010, 01:16 PM
Can you imagine what the Broncos would be like without ORTON???
Crap.

slim
10-27-2010, 01:18 PM
Also, if our elected officials don't stop spending, how long will it be before we are all speaking Chinese?

BroncoWave
10-27-2010, 01:21 PM
How long would it be before the fans screamed for the coaches head? I mean we all know what the team would look like right? And what is that exactly crap.

Vikings look like crap with the night and day performance of Favre this season compared to last.

Cardinals...

The list goes on and on and on proving just how huge of a detrimental impact the QB can have on the entire team.

So you're saying if we lose Orton we'll be even worse? Glad to see you've finally come around!

slim
10-27-2010, 01:24 PM
C'mon guys, this thread is not about Orton.

It is about Peyton Manning and deficit spending.

MasterShake
10-27-2010, 01:24 PM
So you're saying if we lose Orton we'll be even worse? Glad to see you've finally come around!

Well, he's certainly not saying that Tebow is Peyton Manning! That would be CRAZY!

Northman
10-27-2010, 01:25 PM
If Jags lost one of his nutsacks he would not be a full man.

GEM
10-27-2010, 01:26 PM
Thank you for further proving that Orton needs to be the starter. :salute:

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 01:26 PM
Can you imagine what the Broncos would be like without ORTON???
Crap.

Last I checked that is what they look like with him.

Broncos fans all across the WWW can't stop spamming their anti-McDaniels rhetoric. Its even bad here.

lets look at the team today...are we better than the team that shannahan was fired for?

Create a new staff

For those who think we are improving

Gruden or Cowher?

Krieger: Is McDaniels losing fans? The Team?

Josh McDaniels is a GENIUS!

FIRE McDaniels

Time to Bring in Parcells

My point though singular posses many diverse aspects to it. Just as all the trolls aspects of why McDaniels has to go.

I am not here to win a popularity contest.

Folks can get away with spamming the boards all day long in regards to their anti McDaniels angle and its OK, but when someone comes in and spouts off about Norton with 1% of the vehement frequency he is hated and his takes are regarded as spam while the Anti McDaniels spam goes unchecked. TO me this is BS.


Thing for me to do is counteract all the hostility towards McDaniels by pinning the tale of what ails this team where it belongs.

Now considering what I am up against, my takes are not even 1% of the anti' McDaniels nonsenses, so as you can see there is a lot of work to be done...

dogfish
10-27-2010, 01:26 PM
How long would it be before the fans screamed for the coaches head? I mean we all know what the team would look like right? And what is that exactly crap.

Vikings look like crap with the night and day performance of Favre this season compared to last.

Cardinals...

The list goes on and on and on proving just how huge of a detrimental impact the QB can have on the entire team.

****!


:welcome:

Ravage!!!
10-27-2010, 01:29 PM
I can't even read that OP, it doesn't even make sense.

slim
10-27-2010, 01:29 PM
Last I checked that is what they look like with him.

Broncos fans all across the WWW can't stop spamming their anti-McDaniels rhetoric. Its even bad here.

lets look at the team today...are we better than the team that shannahan was fired for?

Create a new staff

For those who think we are improving

Gruden or Cowher?

Krieger: Is McDaniels losing fans? The Team?

Josh McDaniels is a GENIUS!

FIRE McDaniels

Time to Bring in Parcells

My point though singular posses many diverse aspects to it. Just as all the trolls aspects of why McDaniels has to go.

I am not here to win a popularity contest.

Folks can get away with spamming the boards all day long in regards to their anti McDaniels angle and its OK, but when someone comes in and spouts off about Norton with 1% of the vehement frequency he is hated and his takes are regarded as spam while the Anti McDaniels spam goes unchecked. TO me this is BS.


Thing for me to do is counteract all the hostility towards McDaniels by pinning the tale of what ails this team where it belongs.

Now considering what I am up against, my takes are not even 1% of the anti' McDaniels nonsenses, so as you can see there is a lot of work to be done...

I agree.

Good post, jags.

Keep up the good work!!

Northman
10-27-2010, 01:31 PM
http://www.gummibearheads.com/ign/dooshy_thread_stinks.jpg

broncogirl7
10-27-2010, 01:31 PM
Last I checked that is what they look like with him.

Broncos fans all across the WWW can't stop spamming their anti-McDaniels rhetoric. Its even bad here.

lets look at the team today...are we better than the team that shannahan was fired for?

Create a new staff

For those who think we are improving

Gruden or Cowher?

Krieger: Is McDaniels losing fans? The Team?

Josh McDaniels is a GENIUS!

FIRE McDaniels

Time to Bring in Parcells

My point though singular posses many diverse aspects to it. Just as all the trolls aspects of why McDaniels has to go.

I am not here to win a popularity contest.

Folks can get away with spamming the boards all day long in regards to their anti McDaniels angle and its OK, but when someone comes in and spouts off about Norton with 1% of the vehement frequency he is hated and his takes are regarded as spam while the Anti McDaniels spam goes unchecked. TO me this is BS.


Thing for me to do is counteract all the hostility towards McDaniels by pinning the tale of what ails this team where it belongs.

Now considering what I am up against, my takes are not even 1% of the anti' McDaniels nonsenses, so as you can see there is a lot of work to be done...

The problem lies in the continual spamming done on this board by this particular 'thread' starter. Why must you create 500 (exaggerated)different threads about the same crap?

Tebow is not ready to be a starter...period, someday maybe.
Orton is one of the NFL highest ranked QB's this year, just a bad game with a bad line.
McDaniels has been creating a world of negativity in the Bronco fanbase with his continual dumbassery.

Oh and although the thread appeared to be about the Colts, it's in the Bronco area so the talk has nothing to do with the Broncos.

Krugan
10-27-2010, 01:41 PM
Imagine if Brady Quinn were the starter...

Better chance of that happening if Orton goes down.

Preach on with the Tebow wanting, that wont fix the play calling, the Oline play, the lack of a running game, the Dline efforts(as little as it seems), the age of the secondary, I could go on but wont.

slim
10-27-2010, 01:42 PM
Imagine if Brady Quinn where the starter...

Better chance of that happening if Orton goes down.

Preach on with the Tebow wanting, that wont fix the play calling, the Oline play, the lack of a running game, the Dline efforts(as little as it seems), the age of the secondary, I could go on but wont.

No way Quinn starts before Tebow.

Krugan
10-27-2010, 01:45 PM
I dont see that.

Not at all. Tebow isnt ready to run this offense outside his little package.

Of course thats just my opinion.

slim
10-27-2010, 01:48 PM
I dont see that.

Not at all. Tebow isnt ready to run this offense outside his little package.

Of course thats just my opinion.

Quinn isn't ready to run an NFL offense either, IMO (and probably never will be).

I would just as soon see Tebow get some experience. At least that way we have an excuse for going 5-11 :D

Krugan
10-27-2010, 01:49 PM
Hehe, yea, im not sure we need an excuse, but ill avoid the negtive for now:P

Gamechanger
10-27-2010, 01:49 PM
wut?

NorCalBronco7
10-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Last I checked that is what they look like with him.

Broncos fans all across the WWW can't stop spamming their anti-McDaniels rhetoric. Its even bad here.

lets look at the team today...are we better than the team that shannahan was fired for?

Create a new staff

For those who think we are improving

Gruden or Cowher?

Krieger: Is McDaniels losing fans? The Team?

Josh McDaniels is a GENIUS!

FIRE McDaniels

Time to Bring in Parcells

My point though singular posses many diverse aspects to it. Just as all the trolls aspects of why McDaniels has to go.

I am not here to win a popularity contest.

Folks can get away with spamming the boards all day long in regards to their anti McDaniels angle and its OK, but when someone comes in and spouts off about Norton with 1% of the vehement frequency he is hated and his takes are regarded as spam while the Anti McDaniels spam goes unchecked. TO me this is BS.


Thing for me to do is counteract all the hostility towards McDaniels by pinning the tale of what ails this team where it belongs.

Now considering what I am up against, my takes are not even 1% of the anti' McDaniels nonsenses, so as you can see there is a lot of work to be done...

Im confused, what the ef are you talking about? Your post is hard to understand.

BTW you cant call Bronco fans trolls that what McDaniels to go. Just because you dont agree with them dosent make them a troll or any more a broncos fan than you.

Northman
10-27-2010, 01:52 PM
BTW you cant call Bronco fans trolls that what McDaniels to go.

Of course he can, the forum rules dont apply to him.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 01:56 PM
My thoughts on this thread:


http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/BIGrofl2-1.gif



I'll have to get back to you . . .



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slim
10-27-2010, 01:56 PM
Im confused, what the ef are you talking about? Your post is hard to understand.

BTW you cant call Bronco fans trolls that what McDaniels to go. Just because you dont agree with them dosent make them a troll or any more a broncos fan than you.

You also can't call the owner a drunk monkey, FYI.

Northman
10-27-2010, 01:58 PM
You also can't call the owner a drunk monkey, FYI.


:lol:

NorCalBronco7
10-27-2010, 01:59 PM
You also can't call the owner a drunk monkey, FYI.

clever.

:coffee:

I Eat Staples
10-27-2010, 02:05 PM
If you score less points than the other team, you won't win the game.

Northman
10-27-2010, 02:14 PM
If you score less points than the other team, you won't win the game.


Especially 45 points less.

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:58 PM
Last I checked that is what they look like with him.

Broncos fans all across the WWW can't stop spamming their anti-McDaniels rhetoric. Its even bad here.

lets look at the team today...are we better than the team that shannahan was fired for?

Create a new staff

For those who think we are improving

Gruden or Cowher?

Krieger: Is McDaniels losing fans? The Team?

Josh McDaniels is a GENIUS!

FIRE McDaniels

Time to Bring in Parcells

My point though singular posses many diverse aspects to it. Just as all the trolls aspects of why McDaniels has to go.

I am not here to win a popularity contest.

Folks can get away with spamming the boards all day long in regards to their anti McDaniels angle and its OK, but when someone comes in and spouts off about Norton with 1% of the vehement frequency he is hated and his takes are regarded as spam while the Anti McDaniels spam goes unchecked. TO me this is BS.


Thing for me to do is counteract all the hostility towards McDaniels by pinning the tale of what ails this team where it belongs.

Now considering what I am up against, my takes are not even 1% of the anti' McDaniels nonsenses, so as you can see there is a lot of work to be done...

This thread isn't even good enough for the black hole.

gnomeflinger
10-27-2010, 03:02 PM
Jagsbch is just wanting to find out what exactly he can or can't say. This is just a playground for him. Play along, change the course of his actions, or ignore. That's about all there is to it, folks.

I have an almost 13 year old who says stuff all the time, just to see what's acceptable and what isn't.

KCL
10-27-2010, 03:03 PM
wut?

:lol:

Shazam!
10-27-2010, 03:42 PM
What the hell is this thread about???

topscribe
10-27-2010, 03:45 PM
What the hell is this thread about???

Yes.

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I Eat Staples
10-27-2010, 03:50 PM
Yes.

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Lmao. :lol:

camdisco24
10-27-2010, 04:19 PM
what the hell is this thread about???

tacos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

weazel
10-27-2010, 04:38 PM
I really, really freaking love lamp

NorCalBronco7
10-27-2010, 04:49 PM
Regular season totals, through Week 7
Revised as of 10/26/2010
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.

•Passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
•Fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
•Clicking on a player's name will bring you to his FO player page with advanced stats through 2009.
•Opponent adjustments are currently 70 percent of full strength and will increase each week until Week 10.
PASSING: Minimum 53 passes, 41 players ranked
Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
P.Manning IND 856 1 970 1 37.3% 2 43.7% 262 1,904 2,588 13 2 1 2 67.3%
K.Orton DEN 727 2 724 3 26.8% 5 26.6% 299 2,170 2,532 11 0 0 4 60.7%
P.Rivers SD 687 3 735 2 26.8% 4 29.5% 293 2,198 2,412 13 3 2 6 63.8%
D.Brees NO 628 4 621 4 21.4% 9 21.0% 297 2,000 2,411 14 2 0 10 70.2%
A.Rodgers GB 596 5 602 5 25.5% 6 25.9% 248 1,763 2,120 12 0 0 8 64.7%
T.Romo DAL 532 6 460 8 27.8% 3 22.5% 221 1,570 1,825 11 0 0 7 69.8%
T.Brady NE 490 7 519 6 24.8% 7 26.9% 213 1,342 1,765 11 0 1 3 66.2%
M.Ryan ATL 482 8 476 7 16.7% 11 16.3% 270 1,691 2,049 12 0 2 5 62.0%
M.Schaub HOU 444 9 435 10 21.9% 8 21.2% 214 1,497 1,687 9 1 1 5 64.8%
C.Palmer CIN 432 10 445 9 14.0% 15 14.8% 257 1,653 1,969 10 1 2 6 62.4%
J.Flacco BAL 366 11 424 11 11.5% 19 15.1% 252 1,751 1,798 10 2 2 5 59.6%
C.Henne MIA 340 12 351 12 13.9% 16 14.6% 217 1,409 1,558 7 0 0 5 63.4%
E.Manning NYG 298 13 284 16 7.1% 22 6.2% 256 1,756 1,724 14 2 3 11 65.7%
S.Hill DET 287 14 180 23 10.0% 21 2.1% 217 1,272 1,494 9 2 0 7 61.4%
Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
K.Kolb PHI 277 15 235 19 16.1% 13 12.0% 160 946 1,197 7 2 1 2 64.4%
M.Sanchez NYJ 269 16 328 13 10.5% 20 15.2% 189 1,131 1,371 9 0 0 2 56.3%
B.Roethlisberger PIT 260 17 266 17 67.3% 1 69.0% 58 569 622 5 1 1 1 64.8%
M.Cassel KC 252 18 318 14 13.4% 17 19.9% 156 1,011 1,169 8 1 0 3 60.0%
R.Fitzpatrick BUF 243 19 296 15 16.6% 12 22.7% 137 938 1,035 11 0 0 4 63.0%
J.Freeman TB 236 20 227 21 6.4% 23 5.8% 214 1,233 1,400 7 3 0 3 58.8%
D.McNabb WAS 212 21 227 20 2.0% 25 2.9% 266 1,678 1,594 6 3 0 6 57.7%
M.Vick PHI 195 22 246 18 18.0% 10 25.7% 108 755 792 6 2 0 0 62.1%
S.Wallace CLE 177 23 166 24 15.3% 14 13.7% 107 674 777 4 0 0 2 63.0%
V.Young TEN 176 24 200 22 13.3% 18 16.6% 117 787 819 7 1 2 2 61.4%
D.Garrard JAC 94 25 89 25 0.1% 27 -0.5% 142 806 799 9 0 0 7 65.6%
K.Collins TEN 83 26 64 26 5.6% 24 1.8% 77 505 511 5 1 2 3 64.3%
M.Hasselbeck SEA 57 27 47 27 -7.1% 28 -7.8% 218 1,183 1,209 6 0 2 6 60.1%
C.McCoy CLE 43 28 33 28 1.0% 26 -1.9% 56 368 348 1 0 0 2 65.3%
Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
A.Smith SF 28 29 31 29 -9.4% 29 -9.2% 257 1,494 1,342 9 2 1 9 60.6%
S.Bradford STL 9 30 3 31 -10.7% 30 -10.9% 276 1,414 1,461 9 0 1 7 56.6%
C.Batch PIT -4 31 -40 32 -12.2% 31 -23.2% 55 338 265 3 1 0 3 61.2%
B.Gradkowski OAK -36 32 25 30 -16.2% 33 -7.6% 111 695 521 4 2 1 4 52.5%
J.Campbell OAK -40 33 -84 34 -16.4% 34 -22.4% 126 701 545 4 4 1 4 56.8%
J.Cutler CHI -64 34 -64 33 -16.1% 32 -16.1% 210 1,358 960 7 3 2 7 61.1%
J.Delhomme CLE -118 35 -120 35 -42.2% 38 -42.6% 62 328 145 1 0 0 4 56.7%
M.Moore CAR -118 36 -168 37 -27.5% 35 -34.4% 111 631 421 4 1 2 6 53.5%
D.Anderson ARI -147 37 -133 36 -28.3% 36 -26.6% 143 742 492 3 1 1 5 51.5%
T.Edwards BUF -202 38 -240 39 -49.7% 39 -56.8% 87 341 148 1 0 0 4 57.3%
B.Favre MIN -265 39 -222 38 -32.6% 37 -29.1% 200 1,142 636 7 1 4 10 58.1%
J.Clausen CAR -308 40 -321 40 -60.2% 40 -62.3% 106 401 86 1 5 1 3 47.3%
M.Hall ARI -345 41 -341 41 -86.6% 41 -85.5% 71 209 -101 0 2 2 3 50.8%
:defense:

Ortons only behind Peyton this year in performance.

So you should title this thread, "If the Broncos lost Orton" and it would hold just as much weight.

:salute:

Italianmobstr7
10-27-2010, 05:13 PM
Especially 45 points less.

or 1 point less... A loss is a loss. Whether it's by 45 or 1.

CHARLIEADAMSFAN
10-27-2010, 05:13 PM
How long would it be before the fans screamed for the coaches head? I mean we all know what the team would look like right? And what is that exactly crap.

Vikings look like crap with the night and day performance of Favre this season compared to last.

Cardinals...

The list goes on and on and on proving just how huge of a detrimental impact the QB can have on the entire team.

Bill Polian would solve it. I don't have any doubts he would figure it out. We're talking about the guy who won in Buffalo and made Carolina a respectable playoff contender fast.

GEM
10-27-2010, 05:42 PM
regular season totals, through week 7
revised as of 10/26/2010
quarterbacks are ranked according to dyar, or defense-adjusted yards above replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. Dyar (and its cousin, yar, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is dvoa, or defense-adjusted value over average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the dvoa rating, the better the player's performance. Negative dvoa represents below-average offense. Dvoa (and its cousin, voa, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The simple version: Dyar means a quarterback with more total value. Dvoa means a quarterback with more value per play.

Effective yards, listed in red, translate dvoa into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: In general, players with more effective yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer effective yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than dyar.

•passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
•fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
•clicking on a player's name will bring you to his fo player page with advanced stats through 2009.
•opponent adjustments are currently 70 percent of full strength and will increase each week until week 10.
Passing: Minimum 53 passes, 41 players ranked
player team dyar rk yar rk dvoa rk voa passes yards eyds td fk fl int c%
p.manning ind 856 1 970 1 37.3% 2 43.7% 262 1,904 2,588 13 2 1 2 67.3%
k.orton den 727 2 724 3 26.8% 5 26.6% 299 2,170 2,532 11 0 0 4 60.7%
p.rivers sd 687 3 735 2 26.8% 4 29.5% 293 2,198 2,412 13 3 2 6 63.8%
d.brees no 628 4 621 4 21.4% 9 21.0% 297 2,000 2,411 14 2 0 10 70.2%
a.rodgers gb 596 5 602 5 25.5% 6 25.9% 248 1,763 2,120 12 0 0 8 64.7%
t.romo dal 532 6 460 8 27.8% 3 22.5% 221 1,570 1,825 11 0 0 7 69.8%
t.brady ne 490 7 519 6 24.8% 7 26.9% 213 1,342 1,765 11 0 1 3 66.2%
m.ryan atl 482 8 476 7 16.7% 11 16.3% 270 1,691 2,049 12 0 2 5 62.0%
m.schaub hou 444 9 435 10 21.9% 8 21.2% 214 1,497 1,687 9 1 1 5 64.8%
c.palmer cin 432 10 445 9 14.0% 15 14.8% 257 1,653 1,969 10 1 2 6 62.4%
j.flacco bal 366 11 424 11 11.5% 19 15.1% 252 1,751 1,798 10 2 2 5 59.6%
c.henne mia 340 12 351 12 13.9% 16 14.6% 217 1,409 1,558 7 0 0 5 63.4%
e.manning nyg 298 13 284 16 7.1% 22 6.2% 256 1,756 1,724 14 2 3 11 65.7%
s.hill det 287 14 180 23 10.0% 21 2.1% 217 1,272 1,494 9 2 0 7 61.4%
player team dyar rk yar rk dvoa rk voa passes yards eyds td fk fl int c%
k.kolb phi 277 15 235 19 16.1% 13 12.0% 160 946 1,197 7 2 1 2 64.4%
m.sanchez nyj 269 16 328 13 10.5% 20 15.2% 189 1,131 1,371 9 0 0 2 56.3%
b.roethlisberger pit 260 17 266 17 67.3% 1 69.0% 58 569 622 5 1 1 1 64.8%
m.cassel kc 252 18 318 14 13.4% 17 19.9% 156 1,011 1,169 8 1 0 3 60.0%
r.fitzpatrick buf 243 19 296 15 16.6% 12 22.7% 137 938 1,035 11 0 0 4 63.0%
j.freeman tb 236 20 227 21 6.4% 23 5.8% 214 1,233 1,400 7 3 0 3 58.8%
d.mcnabb was 212 21 227 20 2.0% 25 2.9% 266 1,678 1,594 6 3 0 6 57.7%
m.vick phi 195 22 246 18 18.0% 10 25.7% 108 755 792 6 2 0 0 62.1%
s.wallace cle 177 23 166 24 15.3% 14 13.7% 107 674 777 4 0 0 2 63.0%
v.young ten 176 24 200 22 13.3% 18 16.6% 117 787 819 7 1 2 2 61.4%
d.garrard jac 94 25 89 25 0.1% 27 -0.5% 142 806 799 9 0 0 7 65.6%
k.collins ten 83 26 64 26 5.6% 24 1.8% 77 505 511 5 1 2 3 64.3%
m.hasselbeck sea 57 27 47 27 -7.1% 28 -7.8% 218 1,183 1,209 6 0 2 6 60.1%
c.mccoy cle 43 28 33 28 1.0% 26 -1.9% 56 368 348 1 0 0 2 65.3%
player team dyar rk yar rk dvoa rk voa passes yards eyds td fk fl int c%
a.smith sf 28 29 31 29 -9.4% 29 -9.2% 257 1,494 1,342 9 2 1 9 60.6%
s.bradford stl 9 30 3 31 -10.7% 30 -10.9% 276 1,414 1,461 9 0 1 7 56.6%
c.batch pit -4 31 -40 32 -12.2% 31 -23.2% 55 338 265 3 1 0 3 61.2%
b.gradkowski oak -36 32 25 30 -16.2% 33 -7.6% 111 695 521 4 2 1 4 52.5%
j.campbell oak -40 33 -84 34 -16.4% 34 -22.4% 126 701 545 4 4 1 4 56.8%
j.cutler chi -64 34 -64 33 -16.1% 32 -16.1% 210 1,358 960 7 3 2 7 61.1%
j.delhomme cle -118 35 -120 35 -42.2% 38 -42.6% 62 328 145 1 0 0 4 56.7%
m.moore car -118 36 -168 37 -27.5% 35 -34.4% 111 631 421 4 1 2 6 53.5%
d.anderson ari -147 37 -133 36 -28.3% 36 -26.6% 143 742 492 3 1 1 5 51.5%
t.edwards buf -202 38 -240 39 -49.7% 39 -56.8% 87 341 148 1 0 0 4 57.3%
b.favre min -265 39 -222 38 -32.6% 37 -29.1% 200 1,142 636 7 1 4 10 58.1%
j.clausen car -308 40 -321 40 -60.2% 40 -62.3% 106 401 86 1 5 1 3 47.3%
m.hall ari -345 41 -341 41 -86.6% 41 -85.5% 71 209 -101 0 2 2 3 50.8%
:defense:

Ortons only behind peyton this year in performance.

So you should title this thread, "if the broncos lost orton" and it would hold just as much weight.

:salute:

bam!

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 06:09 PM
ortons only behind peyton this year in performance.:salute:

doh

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 06:10 PM
I said it before and I will say it again until you can offer me anything that resembles a credible response with some marginal amount of intelligence.

Why are we to believe Tebow would make this team better right now? Tebow is an Urban Meyer guy. Chris Leak and Alex Smith were Urban Meyer guys before him. They were, by all accounts, more NFL ready than Tebow. Alex Smith was the number 1 overall pick. Knowing that, and knowing that some NFL GM's wont touch a Tedford QB or anybody who played under Mike Leach while he was at TT, what evidence is there to suspect that Tebow could honestly come in here and make this team win games?

Please be sure to show me how longtime NFL writers, former players, and coaches have all said Tebow is a project are simply wrong! Most think he will be good but almost all think he is a project. Be sure to qualify how they are wrong and what evidence you have to support.

I'll wait for you to respond, jags. If you don't, I will neg you in every thread you try to derail with your Tebow bull shit!

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10-27-2010, 06:13 PM
I said it before and I will say it again until you can offer me anything that resembles a credible response with some marginal amount of intelligence.

Why are we to believe Tebow would make this team better right now? Tebow is an Urban Meyer guy. Chris Leak and Alex Smith were Urban Meyer guys before him. They were, by all accounts, more NFL ready than Tebow. Alex Smith was the number 1 overall pick. Knowing that, and knowing that some NFL GM's wont touch a Tedford QB or anybody who played under Mike Leach while he was at TT, what evidence is there to suspect that Tebow could honestly come in here and make this team win games?

Please be sure to show me how longtime NFL writers, former players, and coaches have all said Tebow is a project. Most think he will be good but almost all think he is a project.

I'll wait for you to respond, jags. If you don't, I will neg you in every thread you try to derail with your Tebow bull shit!

You're actually inviting Jags to talk about Orton and Tebow?? :eek:

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Northman
10-27-2010, 06:40 PM
or 1 point less... A loss is a loss. Whether it's by 45 or 1.

Very true, but some are more embarrassing than others.

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 07:07 PM
After going 2-8 in the last ten games of the 2009 season

It should have been clear that the rebuilding proccess was going to take time, especially as long as Orton was the one responsible for leading this team. His performance racking up all those yards inbetween the 20"s outside of 3rd down had this fan base seeing visions of grandure.

Sunday should have been a wake up call that Orton was not going to change the flow of the rebuilding proccess, yet for some reason folks seem to still believe in Orton and have waken to a twilight zone frame of mind that has them believing it is McDaniels to blame for their delusions of grandure.

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 07:08 PM
You're actually inviting Jags to talk about Orton and Tebow?? :eek:

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Well seeing how he is published and has a far greater amount of football knowledge than me, sure!

He is the resident Tebow expert. Either he will answer it and earn some credibility or ignore it at which point we can all ignore him.

I will be the first to admit he probably knows about 1,000% more about Tebow than I do.

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 07:09 PM
After going 2-8 in the last ten games of the 2009 season

It should have been clear that the rebuilding proccess was going to take time, especially as long as Orton was the one responsible for leading this team. His performance racking up all those yards inbetween the 20"s outside of 3rd down had this fan base seeing visions of grandure.

Sunday should have been a wake up call that Orton was not going to change the flow of the rebuilding proccess, yet for some reason folks seem to still believe in Orton and have waken to a twilight zone frame of mind that has them believing it is McDaniels to blame for their delusions of grandure.

And Tebow would change things how, exactly?

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10-27-2010, 07:17 PM
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NorCalBronco7
10-27-2010, 07:23 PM
After going 2-8 in the last ten games of the 2009 season

It should have been clear that the rebuilding proccess was going to take time, especially as long as Orton was the one responsible for leading this team. His performance racking up all those yards inbetween the 20"s outside of 3rd down had this fan base seeing visions of grandure.

Sunday should have been a wake up call that Orton was not going to change the flow of the rebuilding proccess, yet for some reason folks seem to still believe in Orton and have waken to a twilight zone frame of mind that has them believing it is McDaniels to blame for their delusions of grandure.

The Broncos are rebuilding, your right. And Orton is a solid piece in that rebuilding process. He has been one of the most consistent players on the Broncos all year. Why change that?

Orton had a bad game last week, but he has had a great season so far. Pointing out one bad week as your example is weak considering there have been 7 games so far.

KCL
10-27-2010, 07:23 PM
I agree with dog...this obsession with Tebow is pretty strange to say the least.

BeefStew25
10-27-2010, 07:26 PM
Live in Florida. It is even worse in person.

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 07:26 PM
Jags is here to flame and nothing more. On one hand Tebow would save us instantly and Orton is the problem and McD is a good coach and should be given time to rebuild but on the other hand McD is the very coach who has Orton as not only the starter but extended him!

Can we just ban jags now?

BeefStew25
10-27-2010, 07:27 PM
I think Jags is NUB.

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10-27-2010, 07:53 PM
I think Jags is NUB.

Nah. NUB is a Broncos fan . . .

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I Eat Staples
10-27-2010, 08:42 PM
doh

I agree completely, this was the first thing that came to my mind when I had the misfortune of opening this abomination of a thread.


He is the resident Tebow lover

Fixed for accuracy.


I will be the first to admit he probably knows about 1,000% more about Tebow than I do.

Agreed, I just don't want to know exactly what he knows about him or the creepy method by which he obtained this information.

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