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WARHORSE
10-27-2010, 03:39 AM
To begin his new week, Josh McDaniels opened his news conference by talking about the San Francisco 49ers. And nothing but.

All those close losses mean they're much better than their record, McDaniels said. By the time he finished building an impression of Vernon Davis, Frank Gore and Patrick Willis, there was every reason to believe those 49ers skipped across the Atlantic on their way to London.

All McDaniels talked about was the next game, this Sunday at famous Wembley Stadium, against the 49ers.

Hold on there, coach. The people in Denver are still seething about the previous game. They're still outraged at the 59-14 fiasco at Invesco Field that occurred Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.

Some people aren't quite ready to release their bitterness and despondency. The venom that has been released has almost fully been aimed at the Broncos' head coach.

"I'm not sugarcoating this. I'm going to be as honest as can be and tell it to you straight. It's not Josh," Broncos linebacker Mario Haggan said. "I've never been more prepared as a player from a head coach. And I've been through five or six already.

"We knew when the screen play was coming. We just didn't stop it. We knew when it was run-toss and they were going to try to hit the edge. We just didn't stop it. It's not him. People may not understand that, but I'm telling you that's the way it is."

It's become a cliche after every blowout defeat in any sport to accuse the beaten team of quitting and to question whether the coach has lost his players in the locker room.

The Broncos were not immune from these allegations and inquests even though the deficit was so large, so early — 38-0 midway through the second quarter — that there wasn't time to even think of mutiny.
"That's ridiculous," Broncos defensive tackle Justin Bannan said. "Josh hasn't lost this team. Nobody quit. When it's 21-0 and there's only five minutes gone on the
clock? You're like, 'Oh, boy.' It's not even an uphill battle at that point. It's a fight for survival."
McDaniels has spent almost all of the past 48 hours studying the 49ers (1-6), putting together a game plan that gives his 2-5 team the best chance of posting a perfect international record of 1-0.

But because he's also a husband and father of three, he goes home at night. He's not completely insulated from the uproar that has thundered up and down the Front Range.

"You understand they want you to win, and when you don't win, they're going to take out their frustrations," McDaniels said in a quiet hallway at the team's Dove Valley headquarters. "And it's usually the coach. That's the occupation that I chose. It's part of the deal. You don't run from it. You take responsibility for it."

And now it's Wednesday and the team has a new game to play, on a different continent, on a new day, against a different opponent.
"The only thing I can control is do the best I can to move forward and play and coach better than what we did," McDaniels said.

Criticism nothing new
Those who see McDaniels' boyish looks and believe he will melt beneath the heat of criticism are forgetting his background.
As a fifth-grader, he needed a police escort to elementary school because his father, a highly successful high school coach in the prep football-crazed area of northern Ohio, received a death-threat letter that hinted at
kidnapping.

Josh and Ben McDaniels, now the Broncos' quarterbacks coach, grew up in a neighborhood where occasionally the neighbors stated their disenchantment with Dad by planting a sign in the front yard.

McDaniels later became the starting quarterback for his father's high school team at Canton McKinley, a distinction that never helps a kid win the school's popularity contest. In the famous 100th meeting between archrivals McKinley and Massillon, McDaniels quarterbacked his offense to 41 points.

But he also missed an extra-point kick in overtime that helped Massillon prevail 42-41.
How many 17-year-olds lived with that? So go ahead. Shake those angry fists at McDaniels. Write in comments to The Denver Post's website demanding that Mc-Daniels be fired. He can take it because he's been through this before. And because the 49ers are dead ahead.

"I think that's sports," Mc-Daniels said. "You have this job for one reason and that's to try and win. We certainly didn't do nearly well enough the other day. We have to handle adversity together and focus on what we can control, which is going forward."

After missing that extra point, McDaniels came back two weeks later to help beat Massillon in the playoffs. Granted, it's a long way between playing a Federal League game in Canton, Ohio, and an NFL game in London.
But dealing with life's humiliating experiences has nothing to do with the size of the stage.

"We know we have a good coach," Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said. "We know we have a good team. We just have to play like it."


Read more: Players quick to defend McDaniels in wake of Broncos' blowout loss to Raiders - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16442435#ixzz13XwqTYL3

Lancane
10-27-2010, 04:03 AM
It's funny, at least to me that while the rest of the world is either laughing or bitching about McDaniels that Klis has continued his ass-kissing ways with McDaniels. Not that I am buying into the whole 'McDaniels has lost the locker room' reports or not. But I can guarantee that some of the team and such are not happy with where they're at as a team or organization. Let's not forget that Bailey not long ago blasted McDaniels and the organization when they pulled out of contract talks...but like he is going to say otherwise when he's bound to be a free agent after the season, or even Bannon or Haggan both of whom would be rotational or backups on other teams. I don't buy for one minute that any of them would actually speak out at this point, but I don't buy their side of it either...it's damage control and I'm sure that I am not the only one who doesn't buy into it either.

WARHORSE
10-27-2010, 04:20 AM
It's funny, at least to me that while the rest of the world is either laughing or bitching about McDaniels that Klis has continued his ass-kissing ways with McDaniels. Not that I am buying into the whole 'McDaniels has lost the locker room' reports or not. But I can guarantee that some of the team and such are not happy with where they're at as a team or organization. Let's not forget that Bailey not long ago blasted McDaniels and the organization when they pulled out of contract talks...but like he is going to say otherwise when he's bound to be a free agent after the season, or even Bannon or Haggan both of whom would be rotational or backups on other teams. I don't buy for one minute that any of them would actually speak out at this point, but I don't buy their side of it either...it's damage control and I'm sure that I am not the only one who doesn't buy into it either.


Bailey did not slam the Broncos.


Ellis and Bowlen called for the halt on those talks, and after signing Doom to a longterm contract and then having him get hurt, it makes no sense to take a chance knowing the CBA is up in the air and a lockout is possible.


I imagine if the CBA can be worked out, the negotiations with Champ can resume.

If nothing else, we can franchise him.

TXBRONC
10-27-2010, 05:12 AM
Bailey did not slam the Broncos.


Ellis and Bowlen called for the halt on those talks, and after signing Doom to a longterm contract and then having him get hurt, it makes no sense to take a chance knowing the CBA is up in the air and a lockout is possible.


I imagine if the CBA can be worked out, the negotiations with Champ can resume.

If nothing else, we can franchise him.

They didn't enter into contract talks until well after Dumervil had been re-signed then injuried.

FanInAZ
10-27-2010, 06:32 AM
As a fifth-grader, he needed a police escort to elementary school because his father, a highly successful high school coach in the prep football-crazed area of northern Ohio, received a death-threat letter that hinted at
kidnapping.

:tsk: That's absolutely insane :tsk: Some people really need to get a life :tsk:

HORSEPOWER 56
10-27-2010, 06:49 AM
So, when we lose to SF this week, who's fault will it be then? McDaniels has quite a conundrum on his hands. He no longer has the "rookie HC" excuse. No longer has the "new system" excuse and 82% of the roster was hand picked by him. Really can't use the "injuries" excuse because the offense was fully healthy and only scored 14 points while turning the ball over numerous times. Short of blaming alien abduction, there are no more excuses. If it's his coaching, it's his fault he designed the scheme and game plan. If it's his players, it's his fault he hand selected them.

Makes perfect sense to me!

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 06:51 AM
Almost as insane as this fan base wanting to heap thge blame of this teams woes on McDaniels.

"I'm not sugarcoating this. I'm going to be as honest as can be and tell it to you straight. It's not Josh," Broncos linebacker Mario Haggan said. "I've never been more prepared as a player from a head coach. And I've been through five or six already.

"We knew when the screen play was coming. We just didn't stop it. We knew when it was run-toss and they were going to try to hit the edge. We just didn't stop it. It's not him. People may not understand that, but I'm telling you that's the way it is."

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Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 07:14 AM
So, when we lose to SF this week, who's fault will it be then? McDaniels has quite a conundrum on his hands. He no longer has the "rookie HC" excuse. No longer has the "new system" excuse and 82% of the roster was hand picked by him. Really can't use the "injuries" excuse because the offense was fully healthy and only scored 14 points while turning the ball over numerous times. Short of blaming alien abduction, there are no more excuses. If it's his coaching, it's his fault he designed the scheme and game plan. If it's his players, it's his fault he hand selected them.

Makes perfect sense to me!

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I am so sick of hearing the cry baby fans wanting to McDaniels head on a platter.

When you have ten rookies playing in the game as a result of injuries you have to absolutely factor that into the equation of what ails a team that just beat the Titans and almost beat the Jets.

Thing is this team has got to move on past Kyle Orton and how. Its Tim Tebow time. The play of the QB impacts both the play on offense as well as defense.

When you have Kyle Orton turning the ball over twice for 14 points in the first half not to mention failing to convert on 3rd downs, that is going to take the wind out of the sails of this team.

a team clearly sick of being forced to carry this clown up and down the field with all the crappy throws he makes into the dirt that they have to constantly dive down for.

1 completion in the entire 4th quarter Sunday? 41% completion percentage the past 2 games?

Orton sucks he is the reason this team can’t crawl over the hump of clutch games being the Anti-Clutch QB what do expect.

Stomping up and down like a bunch of spoiled rotten cry babies pouting and refusing to embrace the reality of the matter, while grasping at straws as to what ails this team is not going to get it.

It is what it is, a team in rebuilding mode with a plethera of injuries.

We know this car has what it takes to beat the best teams in the league, we just need to change the driver on offense.

Hey Broncos fan it is time admit that making Orton out to be anything but the problem ailing this team, while attacking McDaniels as if he is, is wrong. and two wrongs never made a right.

The unwarranted attack on McDaniels as the scape goat for what is ailing this team has got to stop.

This fan base needs to grow up and let go of their mediocre past and grab the oar and row being part of the solution rather than all the problems ailing this team, while we look to get past this storm of renovation.

WARHORSE
10-27-2010, 07:22 AM
They didn't enter into contract talks until well after Dumervil had been re-signed then injuried.



Thats true, but we dont know the landscape of the talks going on either.


Obviously, they do.


Why even enter into talks if you know youre going to shut them down?


Seems like wasted effort to me.



The decision was made afterwards, and when it comes to reasons for stopping, there arent many options.

Lonestar
10-27-2010, 08:33 AM
Yeah the players are just covering their ass and sucking up to the coach.

Just another hate filled premise.

As for klis only writing puff pieces that is selective memory.
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BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 08:36 AM
Almost as insane as this fan base wanting to heap thge blame of this teams woes on McDaniels.


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is bs. If they knew what was coming and consistently didn't stop it, they were NOT prepared. Whether that be football or anything else in life.

G_Money
10-27-2010, 08:39 AM
Josh lost the last bit of wait-and-see with the majority of the fanbase with that Oakland debacle. Now it's show-me time. If the team shows up and beats down San Fran, all well and good. Maybe we can get some progress out of the last half of the year.

If they get beat by a reeling 1-6 team on a neutral site...

The players can tell me all they want what a good coach he is. Champ said that about Slowik too. The proof will show up on the field.

Just a few more days.

~G

Shazam!
10-27-2010, 08:41 AM
More excuses... simple as that.

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 09:03 AM
is bs. If they knew what was coming and consistently didn't stop it, they were NOT prepared. Whether that be football or anything else in life.

Look all a coach can do is prepare a team, he can't go out there and play for them too.

I mean how many starters did we already lose this season on defense? 4?

Dawkins, Ayers, Goodman, Dumervil? Now if those guys where out there you would expect nothing more than execution, but from their back ups? well there is a reason why they are back ups. Hello?

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 09:09 AM
More excuses... simple as that.

I am so sick of seeing these trolls around here acting as if all we have to acknowledge is the doom and gloom. ****

Looking past the Raiders is exactly what this team did and paid for it.

They came into the game with way too much swagger too much coxyness.

They paid the price, it may be just the price this team needed to pay to redeem themselves from this losing rut and state of mediocrity McDaniels is trying to remove deliver this team out of.

The same state of mediocrity too many in this fan base are endeared to to the point of hating McDaniels for trying to turn this ship around from the mediocre state it has been in for the past 5 seasons.

Time to stop being trolls and proving what a Broncos fan is all about.

Broncos just beat the Titans and almost beat the Jets before they looked past the aRaiders in their swagger. Shit happens time to remember what Elway said, this team is headed in the right direction. Now get on board and help row through this storm and stopping adding to the problem with a bunch like a bunch of trolls trolling on the back of this ship like an anchor wanting to stop this team in its tracks and implode it.

WTF

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 09:11 AM
Look all a coach can do is prepare a team, he can't go out there and play for them too.

I mean how many starters did we already lose this season on defense? 4?

Dawkins, Ayers, Goodman, Dumervil? Now if those guys where out there you would expect nothing more than execution, but from their back ups? well there is a reason why they are back ups. Hello?

then all the players need to be fired and we'll start all over from scratch huh? .
If that is the case, Josh failed in encouraging and inspiring the team. that's a big part of leadership. I don't know what's going on in the locker room, only can watch the games. I can't say I've totally given up on Josh either. But something sure seems to be amiss right now. Someone or some people need a flame under their ass.

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 09:33 AM
then all the players need to be fired and we'll start all over from scratch huh? .
If that is the case, Josh failed in encouraging and inspiring the team. that's a big part of leadership. I don't know what's going on in the locker room, only can watch the games. I can't say I've totally given up on Josh either. But something sure seems to be amiss right now. Someone or some people need a flame under their ass.

I think the team got over inspired, over confident... to the point shock set in as their confidence got disentigrated by the atrocious play of Kyle Orton their Leader.

Orton is what is amiss I have been screaming this to the top of my lungs for how long now?

He is the guy this team has to look up too, and when you have a team looking down while in their attempt to look up to their leader this is what you get.

fact remains this is the enigma season. And in an enigma season you never know what can happen next, but one thing is for sure, the teams who are now looking good at the beggining of the season will have a hell of a time mantaining that facade. This is where the rubber meats the road portion of the season.

November and December will determine whose who, and no way are all the teams listed below going to finish at the bottom of their division, anyone buying this load of crock will surely be in for a surprise.

This enigma season is bizarre how else can you explain this.

There are 6 other good teams in just as bad a shape as we are win wise, Key word is good teams.

Minnesota Vikings 2 4
Cincinnati Bengals 2 4
Denver Broncos 2 5
San Diego Chargers 2 5
Cleveland Browns 2 5
Dallas Cowboys 1 5
San Francisco 49ers 1 6

You can only keep a good team down for just so long, before they get up and whop that ass.

This team needs a leader it can look up to not down at while in its attempt to rise above.

GEM
10-27-2010, 09:38 AM
Almost as insane as this fan base wanting to heap thge blame of this teams woes on McDaniels.


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yep, it doesn't matter what the players SAY, the fans know better. ;)

topscribe
10-27-2010, 09:41 AM
It's funny, at least to me that while the rest of the world is either laughing or bitching about McDaniels that Klis has continued his ass-kissing ways with McDaniels. Not that I am buying into the whole 'McDaniels has lost the locker room' reports or not. But I can guarantee that some of the team and such are not happy with where they're at as a team or organization. Let's not forget that Bailey not long ago blasted McDaniels and the organization when they pulled out of contract talks...but like he is going to say otherwise when he's bound to be a free agent after the season, or even Bannon or Haggan both of whom would be rotational or backups on other teams. I don't buy for one minute that any of them would actually speak out at this point, but I don't buy their side of it either...it's damage control and I'm sure that I am not the only one who doesn't buy into it either.

I think Champ is able to distinguish between the contract talks and McDaniels as a coach . . .

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BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 09:42 AM
I think the team got over inspired, over confident... to the point shock set in as their confidence got disentigrated by the atrocious play of Kyle Orton their Leader.

Orton is what is amiss I have been screaming this to the top of my lungs for how long now?

He is the guy this team has to look up too, and when you have a team looking down while in their attempt to look up to their leader this is what you get.

fact remains this is the enigma season. And in an enigma season you never know what can happen next, but one thing is for sure, the teams who are now looking good at the beggining of the season will have a hell of a time mantaining that facade. This is where the rubber meats the road portion of the season.

November and December will determine whose who, and no way are all the teams listed below going to finish at the bottom of their division, anyone buying this load of crock will surely be in for a surprise.

This enigma season is bizarre how else can you explain this.

There are 6 other good teams in just as bad a shape as we are win wise, Key word is good teams.

Minnesota Vikings 2 4
Cincinnati Bengals 2 4
Denver Broncos 2 5
San Diego Chargers 2 5
Cleveland Browns 2 5
Dallas Cowboys 1 5
San Francisco 49ers 1 6

You can only keep a good team down for just so long, before they get up and whop that ass.

This team needs a leader it can look up to not down at while in its attempt to rise above.

I think that Orton was overconfident and finally had his ass handed to him.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 09:43 AM
I think the team got over inspired, over confident... to the point shock set in as their confidence got disentigrated by the atrocious play of Kyle Orton their Leader.

Orton is what is amiss I have been screaming this to the top of my lungs for how long now?

He is the guy this team has to look up too, and when you have a team looking down while in their attempt to look up to their leader this is what you get.

fact remains this is the enigma season. And in an enigma season you never know what can happen next, but one thing is for sure, the teams who are now looking good at the beggining of the season will have a hell of a time mantaining that facade. This is where the rubber meats the road portion of the season.

November and December will determine whose who, and no way are all the teams listed below going to finish at the bottom of their division, anyone buying this load of crock will surely be in for a surprise.

This enigma season is bizarre how else can you explain this.

There are 6 other good teams in just as bad a shape as we are win wise, Key word is good teams.

Minnesota Vikings 2 4
Cincinnati Bengals 2 4
Denver Broncos 2 5
San Diego Chargers 2 5
Cleveland Browns 2 5
Dallas Cowboys 1 5
San Francisco 49ers 1 6

You can only keep a good team down for just so long, before they get up and whop that ass.

This team needs a leader it can look up to not down at while in its attempt to rise above.

Just couldn't resist bringing your hatred of Orton into this, could you?

Did you miss the OP? Go back and read it . . .

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Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 09:44 AM
This team will not come in over confident this gme, they will assume the same mental approach they did against the Titans and Jets, if they do that we can win.

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 09:44 AM
Just couldn't resist bringing your hatred of Orton into this, could you?

Did you miss the OP? Go back and read it . . .

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quit defending Orton all the time Top or I will get very upset

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 09:45 AM
This team will not come in over confident this gme, they will assume the same mental approach they did against the Titans and Jets, if they do that we can win.

I think they go into this game with their tails between their legs.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 09:48 AM
quit defending Orton all the time Top or I will get very upset

Did you interpret that as my defending Orton? If so, you are grasping.

I was commenting on Jags' hatred of Orton and his pounding on him in a thread
that has nothing to do with him, borne of his imagined love affair with Tebow.
Jags has carried that not only all over this board, but to other boards, also. He
has even plastered it onto the MHR site.

In fact, I'm getting pretty sick of people jumping my ass about it after all the
spamming he has done about it. :mad:

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BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 09:51 AM
Did you interpret that as my defending Orton? If so, you are grasping.

I was commenting on Jags' hatred of Orton and his pounding on him in a thread
that has nothing to do with him, borne of his imagined love affair with Tebow.
Jags has carried that not only all over this board, but to other boards, also. He
has even plastered it onto the MHR site.

In fact, I'm getting pretty sick of people jumping my ass about it after all the
spamming he has done about it. :mad:

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Dang Top, don't get your Depends in a bunch. I was just kidding.

GEM
10-27-2010, 09:56 AM
Did you interpret that as my defending Orton? If so, you are grasping.

I was commenting on Jags' hatred of Orton and his pounding on him in a thread
that has nothing to do with him, borne of his imagined love affair with Tebow.
Jags has carried that not only all over this board, but to other boards, also. He
has even plastered it onto the MHR site.

In fact, I'm getting pretty sick of people jumping my ass about it after all the
spamming he has done about it. :mad:

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You just jumped his ass because he has an opinion. He feels the team would be better off with Tebow. He is allowed his opinion. I understand that it gets annoying and most of his stuff has been moved to the Black Hole because largely it is spam, but he is allowed his opinion. And with the way the Broncos have played, it is a legitimate opinion.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 09:58 AM
Dang Top, don't get your Depends in a bunch. I was just kidding.

I know. That wasn't specifically at you.

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jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 09:59 AM
There are three problems here as I see it.

1) I hear all this crying about injuries and such. The injury card is simply an excuse. The week before the same 53 guys damn near beat, and should have, the Jets. We all hear about how that was still progress and this team is getting better and will soon learn how to finish teams off.

2) A week later they didn't bother to get out of the hotel and to the stadium. The same 53 guys who hung with the Jets got their ass handed to them, their girlfriends taken, and their lunch money stolen. NOW INJURIES ARE THE ENTIRE REASON :confused: They weren't the week prior.

A team as up and down as this reflects and points directly at the coach. So in 2 weeks we have learned when the team does well McDaniels had them prepared and all credit is due McDaniels. When they get their ass handed to them it is all on the players and due largely to injury!

3) This team now lost 4 straight division games at home. The only close loss was to the Raiders last year but before you feel better that that game was close remember it was JaMarcus Russell who beat us. KC murdered us, San Diego Murdered us, and now OAKLAND outright DESTROYED us. Are we going to cry about injuries for all of those games? :confused: IIRC, McDaniels benched a contingent of the team for the KC game proclaiming the roster he was going to play with were his guys. That got blown out. Fast forward to a new season with the roster being even more his and his alone and the result is more of the same.

At the end of the day every single team has injuries. Some have more than us. This is the NFL. There will be injuries. Injuries aren't an excuse and shouldn't be. Afterall, we all know if the team wins this week all the apologists will be back to full spin control and propoganda.

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 10:01 AM
I know. That wasn't specifically at you.

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that's why I said it top. To get you to go off. I call it "Operation Topoff"

topscribe
10-27-2010, 10:02 AM
You just jumped his ass because he has an opinion. He feels the team would be better off with Tebow. He is allowed his opinion. I understand that it gets annoying and most of his stuff has been moved to the Black Hole because largely it is spam, but he is allowed his opinion. And with the way the Broncos have played, it is a legitimate opinion.

And I am allowed my opinion! Now, why am I all the sudden in your sites after I
called out a spammer? The spammer was off-topic with his vitriol. Go after him.

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topscribe
10-27-2010, 10:03 AM
that's why I said it top. To get you to go off. I call it "Operation Topoff"

Go play in the traffic, Nut . . .

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GEM
10-27-2010, 10:05 AM
Settle down, Top. Geez. You aren't in my sites, but you came in here and went directly after Jags because he posted something about Tebow. You take the Orton shit way too personal.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 10:07 AM
Settle down, Top. Geez. You aren't in my sites, but you came in here and went directly after Jags because he posted something about Tebow. You take the Orton shit way too personal.

No, he came in here and posted something about ORTON. It was totally OFF-TOPIC.
The same old shit he has barfed over several boards. He has trolled his message
all over the boards in threads that have nothing to do with Tebow and Orton. I'm
not the only one who has gotten tired of it, and I don't know why all the sudden
I'm the bad guy here.

In threads about Orton and Tebow is where I want to hear about Orton and
Tebow. This thread is neither the place nor the time.

Wow.

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GEM
10-27-2010, 10:10 AM
No, he came in here and posted something about ORTON. It was totally OFF-TOPIC.
The same old shit he has barfed over several boards. He has trolled his message
all over the boards in threads that have nothing to do with Tebow and Orton. I'm
not the only one who has gotten tired of it, and I don't know why all the sudden
I'm the bad guy here.

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No one said you were a bad guy, top. Everyone is trying to decipher what is wrong with this team and trying to comprehend what could make it better. What thread stays strictly on topic. There have been a few posts in here that went into the actual problems and not just Players and McDaniels. Instead of calling him out, report it as off topic. We can't control what he does on other boards and sites, we can't hold that against him. The only thing we can control is here.

Unfortunately the way it looked is that he said something negative about Orton and you jumped his shit about it.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 10:14 AM
No one said you were a bad guy, top. Everyone is trying to decipher what is wrong with this team and trying to comprehend what could make it better. What thread stays strictly on topic. There have been a few posts in here that went into the actual problems and not just Players and McDaniels. Instead of calling him out, report it as off topic. We can't control what he does on other boards and sites, we can't hold that against him. The only thing we can control is here.

Unfortunately the way it looked is that he said something negative about Orton and you jumped his shit about it.

Look if you are taking exception, have you ever heard of PM? All the mods have
access to the posters via PM, even the ones who have PMs turned off.

Now, I responded to his OFF-TOPIC comment that he has been TROLLING the
boards with ever since we first heard his name. It was OUT OF THE BLUE in a
thread that has NOTHING TO DO with either Orton or Tebow. So STOP
reinforcing his behavior by going after me about his response!

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jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 10:14 AM
I was about to go off on Jags too. :noidea:

For the same reason Top had. He continually posts bull crap and derails a thread with his Tebow agenda. It is always the same: Orton is to blame and this team would be winning with Tebow. Can't criticise McD because he drafted Tebow. Cant want McD gone because Tebow might not get his shot with a new coach.

Its all baseless propoganda and I wouldn't mind if jags went about like everybody else but the aura of superiority and presenting it as undisputable fact is a bit much. Finally, and most importantly, aside from derailing every thread into a Tebow love fest, there is always a trolling nature to it.

I was going to stay out of it but since it seemed to be public and Top (who I don't always agree with) seemed to be in the cross hairs, I felt it should be said.

GEM
10-27-2010, 10:17 AM
Take is as I was wrong then. Everyone reacts to Jags on an entire body of work, I react to single posts. I apologize.

TXBRONC
10-27-2010, 10:17 AM
It's not surprising that a couple of the player spoke in his defense. But does that mean it's unanimous? I doubt it.
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camdisco24
10-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Gotta agree with Top on this one. This thread is about players defending McD, nothing else.

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Take is as I was wrong then. Everyone reacts to Jags on an entire body of work, I react to single posts. I apologize.

No need to apologize. However, the first post of his in this thread is no different than any of his past tactics! Each follow up post was nothing more than looking to bait.

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 10:23 AM
BAck on track now:

I expect some players to come out and do anything but defend McDaniels. I personally said the locker room is divided after other players spoke out about McDaniels following the game. The one thing we have known about McD from minute one is that players better watch what they say to the media. Well...we saw the first break in that policy this week. Now we have this. I think that is more than enough to suggest there are major problems in the locker room.

Ravage!!!
10-27-2010, 10:25 AM
I'm glad that they came to his defense. They should. THey are players on the team, and he is their coach. I mean, Champ came to the defense of Slowik as well. This is what players do. Doesn't even mean how they feel. BUT.. as players... they DAMN well know that THEY didn't perform on that field, from the QB on down.

Taking it public against the coach gains NOTHING, and I would expect them, as professionals, not to. Doesn't mean that the locker room isn't feeling a bit uneasy about the reported treatments after they (the players) FEEL they played well.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 10:27 AM
Take is as I was wrong then. Everyone reacts to Jags on an entire body of work, I react to single posts. I apologize.

That's why, in the end, I have always had the utmost of respect for you. You have
always displayed a degree of humility not found in just anybody . . . :)

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10-27-2010, 10:30 AM
BAck on track now:

I expect some players to come out and do anything but defend McDaniels. I personally said the locker room is divided after other players spoke out about McDaniels following the game. The one thing we have known about McD from minute one is that players better watch what they say to the media. Well...we saw the first break in that policy this week. Now we have this. I think that is more than enough to suggest there are major problems in the locker room.

When a team is humiliated like that, after being humiliated two weeks prior, I
suspect there is going to be some division over this. What they need to do is to
consciously pull together and set their collective jaws to beat the brains out of
the next opponent. Nothing like a good win to act as healing salve to the wounds . . .

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BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 10:38 AM
Top,... grow up..

oh .. wait

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10-27-2010, 10:40 AM
Top,... grow up..

oh .. wait

That does it. I'm putting a call into Beef about you . . .

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arapaho2
10-27-2010, 10:40 AM
Yeah the players are just covering their ass and sucking up to the coach.

Just another hate filled premise.

As for klis only writing puff pieces that is selective memory.
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and yet when reports are of some dissention with the 08 dink and dunk offense...you believe it whole heartedly:lol:

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 10:41 AM
I am so sick of hearing the cry baby fans wanting to McDaniels head on a platter.

As if there is no justification for such :rolleyes: Calling us crybabies. That's rich considering nobody cries round here more than you. Cryin about Tebow all the time!



When you have ten rookies playing in the game as a result of injuries you have to absolutely factor that into the equation of what ails a team that just beat the Titans and almost beat the Jets.

So the 10 rookies weren't a problem in a Titan victory and near Jets win just the previous weeks but all of a sudden against Oakland at home they are :lol:

What a joke!



Thing is this team has got to move on past Kyle Orton and how.

Kyle Orton is the sole problem of this team. Replace him and we are undefeated right now. Of course Tebow was all but the reason this team won the Titan game you point to. Yet you fail to recognize that.



Its Tim Tebow time.
Imagine that :rolleyes: Hard to know that was coming .



When you have Kyle Orton turning the ball over twice for 14 points in the first half not to mention failing to convert on 3rd downs, that is going to take the wind out of the sails of this team.

I didn't see Tebow do much on that second possession. He was there too you know. If anything I didn't see him hustle when he had the ball and it appeared he may have been better off pitching it.

Or should we not talk about that.



a team clearly sick of being forced to carry this clown up and down the field with all the crappy throws he makes into the dirt that they have to constantly dive down for.

Because all of the Lloyd long TD passes have been in the dirt :rolleyes:

Again the Titan game you glowingly gloat about was won on the back of Kyle Orton.



Orton sucks
There it is.



he is the reason this team can’t crawl over the hump of clutch games being the Anti-Clutch QB what do expect.

The Titan game was clutch. So was the NE game last year. So was the Dallas game last year. Oh wait you weren't here because Tebow wasn't here :lol:



Stomping up and down like a bunch of spoiled rotten cry babies pouting and refusing to embrace the reality of the matter, while grasping at straws as to what ails this team is not going to get it.

Describes you perfectly regarding Tebow and his lack of playing time.



It is what it is, a team in rebuilding mode with a plethera of injuries.

Injuries are nothing more than an excuse. The Jets have injuries. Major ones. Every team in the league does. Some are all but on McD (see 4th preseason game).

Rebuilding? FUNNY. McD said this team was playoff ready. He said he would improve the 08 offense and failed there. He said this team would be better. He fired the one coach who actually improved the team!!!!

Nobody at Pidgeon Valley, NOBODY, has used the REBUILDING term not even McD. So why should we buy that bull crap you are selling.

We know this car has what it takes to beat the best teams in the league, we just need to change the driver on offense.



Hey Broncos fan it is time admit that making Orton out to be anything but the problem ailing this team, while attacking McDaniels as if he is, is wrong. and two wrongs never made a right.

Orton is the entire Problem. We know already. McDaniels isn't to blame whatsoever. Funny thing is McD annointed Orton the starter. mcD even extended him during the season. Now mcd has no culpability. I could shred this a million ways from Sunday.



The unwarranted attack on McDaniels as the scape goat for what is ailing this team has got to stop.

Please give me one example how any criticism of McD is unwarranted. This is his team. His roster. His coaches. His players. His front office. His QB. His everything. his way! His results!



This fan base needs to grow up
Look who's talking



and let go of their mediocre past and grab the oar and row being part of the solution rather than all the problems ailing this team, while we look to get past this storm of renovation.

So we should head down to Pidgeon Valley and try out for long snapper :confused: Because I recall the long snapper ******* up big time against the jets. Or was that orton snapping the ball? IIRC, that same long snapper that F'd up was the same long snapper who mcd simply had to have and give a ridiculous contract to.

But McD isn't culpable there.

McD used a #1 and a high #2 for Alphonso Smith. Twwo high draft picks for a player who isn't even on the roster. Great rebuilding. Should I bring up the Brett Kern change? Oh wait tebow wasn't here you wouldn't know anything about that.

How about the Maroney bull crap? How about his penchant for going to the NE well in general.

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 10:47 AM
I was about to go off on Jags too. :D:eek::D We are having way too much fun.

I can see us winning this weekend, but not with Orton at the helm.

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 10:49 AM
Talk to me when you are a fan of the broncos not just teblow and mcd

G_Money
10-27-2010, 10:50 AM
We don't play. We can't help them row through the storm. We can observe, "hey, there's our guys in a storm," and then note how they go about getting out of it.

That's about it.

And if the captain of the ship keeps throwing guys overboard and seems to be getting deeper into the storm instead of away from it, we might question his ability to be the captain.

It's not disloyal to examine results. It's sort of important actually.

Bob: This cancer drug is not actually preventing cancer
Steve: Dont worry, it will
Bob: Seriously, in preliminary studies it's making cancer worse
Steve: Disloyal ass
Bob: Wait, what?
Steve: You heard me. Believe in the drug
Bob: But it's not working
Steve: It WILL work
Bob: What if it doesn't? Do we have a plan B?
Steve: Nanana I can't hear you...

:confused:

The project is the rehabilitation of the Broncos into a perennial contender, not making Josh and the players feel good about how they're perceived.

We have a young team on offense and an old team on defense. The young offense is floundering after a good start and the line is dying, and the old defense is breaking down in both body and scheme.

It's not good. It has a chance to get better, but if things continue on as they are we're gonna need a new strategy - and new people to implement it.

So things better not continue to fail.

~G

Northman
10-27-2010, 10:56 AM
Almost as insane as this fan base wanting to heap thge blame of this teams woes on McDaniels.



Thats who it falls on whether you like it or not. At the end of the day the performance, execution, and success of the team falls on his shoulders. Its how the NFL works.

arapaho2
10-27-2010, 10:57 AM
jags is a drama queen...we started three rookies...beadles,,,walton and cox..we subsituted a few more

i recall a few years ago the entire starting 22 consisted of 11 or more rookies or 2nd year playrs...so 3 starting isnt a big deal

Gimpygod
10-27-2010, 10:58 AM
I think the team got over inspired, over confident... to the point shock set in as their confidence got disentigrated by the atrocious play of Kyle Orton their Leader.

Orton is what is amiss I have been screaming this to the top of my lungs for how long now?

He is the guy this team has to look up too, and when you have a team looking down while in their attempt to look up to their leader this is what you get.

.

You are absolutely correct! All we need right now is to make Tebow the head quarterback and captain of the team. If there was only some person who was… I don't know, in charge of the team who could make that decision. I'm just brainstorming here some sort of decision maker who determined which players were not only on the team but also were on the field come game time. We could call him lead manager… No, that does not sound right… Head coach! We shall call him head coach. If we had someone smart in that position Tebow would be kicking ass and taking names for the glory of us Broncos fans. Now all we need to do is figure out who the douche bag is that is relegating him to second and sometimes third string on game day.

Northman
10-27-2010, 10:58 AM
Josh lost the last bit of wait-and-see with the majority of the fanbase with that Oakland debacle. Now it's show-me time. If the team shows up and beats down San Fran, all well and good. Maybe we can get some progress out of the last half of the year.

If they get beat by a reeling 1-6 team on a neutral site...

The players can tell me all they want what a good coach he is. Champ said that about Slowik too. The proof will show up on the field.

Just a few more days.

~G


Another great, maybe Champ Bailey can tell us again how great Slowik was.

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 11:05 AM
You know what is bothering me the most about this weekends match up?

49ers finally got around to benching the No.1 problem on their team, and are actually going with a QB who has potential to raise the ceiling of the team...

GEM
10-27-2010, 11:06 AM
You know what is bothering me the most about this weekends match up?

49ers finally got around to benching the No.1 problem on their team, and are actually going with a QB who has potential to raise the ceiling of the team...


The topic is Broncos players being quick to defend McDaniels.

Find one of the other Tebow/Orton threads to post in.

Ravage!!!
10-27-2010, 11:11 AM
You know what is bothering me the most about this weekends match up?

49ers finally got around to benching the No.1 problem on their team, and are actually going with a QB who has potential to raise the ceiling of the team...

and once again, prove to everyone your "QB evaluation" skills. :elefant:

Denver Native (Carol)
10-27-2010, 11:13 AM
You know what is bothering me the most about this weekends match up?

49ers finally got around to benching the No.1 problem on their team, and are actually going with a QB who has potential to raise the ceiling of the team...

Yeah, they benched their No. 1 problem - FORGET that he has a separated shoulder - any QB should be able to play with a separated shoulder :rolleyes:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16446113

LONDON — San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith will miss Sunday's game against the Denver Broncos in London because of a separated left shoulder.

Head coach Mike Singletary said Wednesday that Smith will be sidelined for 2 to 3 weeks and Troy Smith will start for the Niners (1-6) at Wembley Stadium.

Ravage!!!
10-27-2010, 11:16 AM
Yeah, they benched their No. 1 problem - FORGET that he has a separated shoulder - any QB should be able to play with a separated shoulder :rolleyes:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16446113

LONDON — San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith will miss Sunday's game against the Denver Broncos in London because of a separated left shoulder.

Head coach Mike Singletary said Wednesday that Smith will be sidelined for 2 to 3 weeks and Troy Smith will start for the Niners (1-6) at Wembley Stadium.

I see that Romo got "benched" this week, as well, with his broken clavicle

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 11:23 AM
Settle down, Top. Geez. You aren't in my sites, but you came in here and went directly after Jags because he posted something about Tebow. You take the Orton shit way too personal.

He could feel your boobies pointing at him

Jagsbch
10-27-2010, 11:23 AM
Yeah, they benched their No. 1 problem - FORGET that he has a separated shoulder - any QB should be able to play with a separated shoulder :rolleyes:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16446113

LONDON — San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith will miss Sunday's game against the Denver Broncos in London because of a separated left shoulder.

Head coach Mike Singletary said Wednesday that Smith will be sidelined for 2 to 3 weeks and Troy Smith will start for the Niners (1-6) at Wembley Stadium.

I knew that. In my mind he is benched considering he has no business starting another game in the NFL.

Singletary is not so bright... Even to the point of needing intervention to do what we ought something that should have been done before the season started.

Smith had no business being the 49ers starter let alone any other teams starter.

topscribe
10-27-2010, 11:27 AM
He could feel your boobies pointing at him

Nut, knock that off and settle down, or I'm going to lock you in with Clay's goat . . .

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GEM
10-27-2010, 11:27 AM
Guys....if we want Jags to find the proper Orton/Tebow thread to post in....ya gotta stop responding to him. ;)

Mike
10-27-2010, 11:28 AM
Does it even matter who plays QB against the Broncos.

-Hand off to Gore to the left
-Hand off to Gore up the gut
-Hand off to Gore to the right
-Mix em up as needed

Lonestar
10-27-2010, 11:43 AM
For what it is worth I would have reponded to it also but have found ignoring and not responding tio attention needy folks makes them go away.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Never has never will.
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Foochacho
10-27-2010, 11:44 AM
Please check town hall forum for my new poll.


Closed, oh well at least I got my opinion in. I knew it wouldn't stay open long.

silkamilkamonico
10-27-2010, 11:50 AM
"I'm not sugarcoating this. I'm going to be as honest as can be and tell it to you straight. It's not Josh," Broncos linebacker Mario Haggan said. "I've never been more prepared as a player from a head coach. And I've been through five or six already.

"We knew when the screen play was coming. We just didn't stop it. We knew when it was run-toss and they were going to try to hit the edge. We just didn't stop it. It's not him. People may not understand that, but I'm telling you that's the way it is."

"That's ridiculous," Broncos defensive tackle Justin Bannan said. "Josh hasn't lost this team. Nobody quit. When it's 21-0 and there's only five minutes gone on the
clock? You're like, 'Oh, boy.' It's not even an uphill battle at that point. It's a fight for survival."
But he also missed an extra-point kick in overtime that helped Massillon prevail 42-41.



Somebody in the journalism needs to be fired. Now.

GEM
10-27-2010, 12:16 PM
Somebody in the journalism needs to be fired. Now.

That avy is hilarious!!

jhildebrand
10-27-2010, 12:51 PM
I knew that.

No you didn't. You would have said as much.

Maybe it is that achy "flue" (as you spell it) you always seem to get just after getting owned.


In my mind he is benched considering he has no business starting another game in the NFL.

Yet look at what he did late last season prompting the optimisim for 49er fans for this season :rolleyes:

Careful, too! Smith was the #1 pick which is more than Tebow can say. By all accounts he was much more polished and NFL ready than tebow. From the SAME URBAN MEYER system!

Maybe Urban Meyer and his QB's are the next Tedford's if you get my drift. Which you probably don't :lol:



Singletary is not so bright... Even to the point of needing intervention to do what we ought something that should have been done before the season started.

Yet he handles primadonna players much better than McDaniels has. Seems to me he EARNED one MAJOR players respect without shipping his ass out of town. Something that was lauded around the league as very well done and bright.

Owned again.



Smith had no business being the 49ers starter let alone any other teams starter.

Like I said earlier. Smith is a Urban Meyer QB and product. By all acounts the most NFL ready as evidenced by being drafted #1!

IIRC, Chris Leak is also a Urban Meyer QB who also had a national championship in college. I dont recall him doing much in this league.

Tedford here we come!

Northman
10-27-2010, 12:57 PM
You have to give Jags a little break. The Gators are really stinking up the joint this year without Tebag.

pnbronco
10-27-2010, 01:02 PM
As Bronco fans past a certain age we have all seen some really bad loses. Heck after the 3 blow outs at the Super Bowl I heard that networks were freaked that the Bronco's might go back because they didn't think they could sell ads for the insane # of dollars. Thank goodness for the Bills taking over and helping to ease that pain. That's why that first SB win was so sweet. All the years as fans we took abuse and were considered such a joke ended on that day. The thing was back then or a least for me it was us against them. I still wore my Bronco shirts and never stopped loving or caring for this team.

Sunday was a really, really bad day for everyone. However it was just one game. For me it was the same team that beat the Titans and stayed in there with the Colts and almost beat the Jets. What has made me much sadder than the lose is the sentiment that it no longer us, as in team/fans, against them. I know that many of you feel like it's all Josh's fault that the team sucks because he destroyed this and that and is so arrogant.....you said over and over and over.

So for today the team has each other. I hope they can pull it together and be the team that beat the Titans. Whatever happens I will support them and the head coach of the Broncos. If a couple of players want to go on record and defend Coach then I choose to believe them. If Graham and Lloyd state on TV and on the radio that Coach has not lost the locker room then I choose to believe them. If Mr. Bowlen decides at the end of season this is not working and fires Coach, then I will support him in that decision. What I won't do is say cruel things about men that have families and a life outside of their job of being a professional football players/coaches.

I will be bummed if there is no football next year, but it is what it is. I have no control over what owners and players do. I do have control over how I treat them and other posters. For me it's easier to stay away from here more than not, support the team in my own way and be sad with my hubby.

rcsodak
10-27-2010, 01:06 PM
It's funny, at least to me that while the rest of the world is either laughing or bitching about McDaniels that Klis has continued his ass-kissing ways with McDaniels. Not that I am buying into the whole 'McDaniels has lost the locker room' reports or not. But I can guarantee that some of the team and such are not happy with where they're at as a team or organization. Let's not forget that Bailey not long ago blasted McDaniels and the organization when they pulled out of contract talks...but like he is going to say otherwise when he's bound to be a free agent after the season, or even Bannon or Haggan both of whom would be rotational or backups on other teams. I don't buy for one minute that any of them would actually speak out at this point, but I don't buy their side of it either...it's damage control and I'm sure that I am not the only one who doesn't buy into it either.yea. I, too, put much more faith into unnamed quotes, and out-of-context remarks. Screw Klis! [/sarcasm]
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Denver Native (Carol)
10-27-2010, 01:12 PM
I have no control over what owners and players do. I do have control over how I treat them and other posters.

Thanks pn - POST OF THE DAY :salute:

Northman
10-27-2010, 01:15 PM
As Bronco fans past a certain age we have all seen some really bad loses. Heck after the 3 blow outs at the Super Bowl I heard that networks were freaked that the Bronco's might go back because they didn't think they could sell ads for the insane # of dollars. Thank goodness for the Bills taking over and helping to ease that pain. That's why that first SB win was so sweet. All the years as fans we took abuse and were considered such a joke ended on that day. The thing was back then or a least for me it was us against them. I still wore my Bronco shirts and never stopped loving or caring for this team.

Sunday was a really, really bad day for everyone. However it was just one game. For me it was the same team that beat the Titans and stayed in there with the Colts and almost beat the Jets. What has made me much sadder than the lose is the sentiment that it no longer us, as in team/fans, against them. I know that many of you feel like it's all Josh's fault that the team sucks because he destroyed this and that and is so arrogant.....you said over and over and over.

So for today the team has each other. I hope they can pull it together and be the team that beat the Titans. Whatever happens I will support them and the head coach of the Broncos. If a couple of players want to go on record and defend Coach then I choose to believe them. If Graham and Lloyd state on TV and on the radio that Coach has not lost the locker room then I choose to believe them. If Mr. Bowlen decides at the end of season this is not working and fires Coach, then I will support him in that decision. What I won't do is say cruel things about men that have families and a life outside of their job of being a professional football players/coaches.

I will be bummed if there is no football next year, but it is what it is. I have no control over what owners and players do. I do have control over how I treat them and other posters. For me it's easier to stay away from here more than not, support the team in my own way and be sad with my hubby.


You are certainly entitled to that opinion although i dont share it.

rcsodak
10-27-2010, 01:17 PM
More excuses... simple as that.
huh? I must have read something different. I saw no excuses. I saw McD taking responsibility. I saw players do it as well. Damn. They played like SHIT! It was 1 game! Its Over! Time to move on! Theres more important shit thats 100x worse going on outside of this forum that gets less heated.
Un-freaking-believable!
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rcsodak
10-27-2010, 01:26 PM
Yep, it doesn't matter what the players SAY, the fans know better. ;)
Sing it, sistah! :hi5:
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rcsodak
10-27-2010, 01:30 PM
Did you interpret that as my defending Orton? If so, you are grasping.

I was commenting on Jags' hatred of Orton and his pounding on him in a thread
that has nothing to do with him, borne of his imagined love affair with Tebow.
Jags has carried that not only all over this board, but to other boards, also. He
has even plastered it onto the MHR site.

In fact, I'm getting pretty sick of people jumping my ass about it after all the
spamming he has done about it. :mad:
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I would never jump your ass, Top. (but beware of clay)
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rcsodak
10-27-2010, 01:39 PM
It's not surprising that a couple of the player spoke in his defense. But does that mean it's unanimous? I doubt it.
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OMG! Is ther ANYTHING in life that is unanimous? Good grief, Tx.
:lol:
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rcsodak
10-27-2010, 01:49 PM
We don't play. We can't help them row through the storm. We can observe, "hey, there's our guys in a storm," and then note how they go about getting out of it.

That's about it.

And if the captain of the ship keeps throwing guys overboard and seems to be getting deeper into the storm instead of away from it, we might question his ability to be the captain.

It's not disloyal to examine results. It's sort of important actually.

Bob: This cancer drug is not actually preventing cancer
Steve: Dont worry, it will
Bob: Seriously, in preliminary studies it's making cancer worse
Steve: Disloyal ass
Bob: Wait, what?
Steve: You heard me. Believe in the drug
Bob: But it's not working
Steve: It WILL work
Bob: What if it doesn't? Do we have a plan B?
Steve: Nanana I can't hear you...
<fast forward-yr 3 >
Steve:Tests came back negative!
Bob:I 'm sorry I didnt trust you, doc. I guess thas why you're the Doc and I'm not.

The End
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topscribe
10-27-2010, 01:50 PM
I would never jump your ass, Top. (but beware of clay)
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HA! You could never jump my ass!



I can outrun you any day of the week . . .



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Northman
10-27-2010, 01:51 PM
HA! You could never jump my ass!



I can outrun you any day of the week . . .



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Do you have a state of the art walker? I would pay to see that race. :D

Lonestar
10-27-2010, 01:52 PM
Way to go PN I concur100%
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BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 01:52 PM
HA! You could never jump my ass!



I can outrun you any day of the week . . .



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serious question. Are you pretty fast Top? Were you an athlete as a young man?

KCL
10-27-2010, 01:53 PM
He could feel your boobies pointing at him

LMAO...I had to stop here and post...I'm not even a Broncos fan and I have high5ed several post in this thread.

Jags...The QB can only do so much..it is a team sport and the losses fall on the the whole team..we have a mediocre QB in Kansas City...we are 4-2...the record IMO is not a direct reflection of Cassel but the players on the team..sure he has made some good passes but I don't put the wins on him or the losses.

Orton doesn't play D..Sure the O could have played better but the D gave up too many points to the Raiders.

Tebow isn't going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference right now...you act as if he can carry the team...newsflash he can't.

KCL
10-27-2010, 01:55 PM
Guys....if we want Jags to find the proper Orton/Tebow thread to post in....ya gotta stop responding to him. ;)

And lock all his threads up...:lol:

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 01:55 PM
LMAO...I had to stop here and post...I'm not even a Broncos fan and I have high5ed several post in this thread.

Jags...The QB can only do so much..it is a team sport and the losses fall on the the whole team..we have a mediocre QB in Kansas City...we are 4-2...the record IMO is not a direct reflection of Cassel but the players on the team..sure he has made some good passes but I don't put the wins on him or the losses.

Orton doesn't play D..Sure the O could have played better but the D gave up too many points to the Raiders.

Tebow isn't going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference right now...you act as if he can carry the team...newsflash he can't.

very well put. Nice and succinctly. You would think that Jags would know better than that. Jags is setting himself up to be quite disappointed imo. Not that I think Tebow's gonna flop, but he's not NFL ready by any means.

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10-27-2010, 01:58 PM
serious question. Are you pretty fast Top? Were you an athlete as a young man?

Well, I . . .







. . .







. . . I can't remember that far back . . .



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rcsodak
10-27-2010, 02:00 PM
Thanks pn - POST OF THE DAY :salute:
AGREED! I'd have replied to her post but it took up too much space in this mobile software.
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rcsodak
10-27-2010, 02:03 PM
sorry peeps....no multi-quote in mobile software.
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KCL
10-27-2010, 02:06 PM
sorry peeps....no multi-quote in mobile software.
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Excuses...excuses...;)

The Glue Factory
10-27-2010, 02:09 PM
You have to give Jags a little break. The Gators are really stinking up the joint this year without Tebag.

No we don't. We bleed orange and blue, not whatever colors the gators are. If he wants to piss about the Gators he needs to go to a Gators forum, not a Broncos or any NFL forum.

rcsodak
10-27-2010, 02:12 PM
HA! You could never jump my ass!



I can outrun you any day of the week . . .



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I'm what they refer to as 'sneaky fast'. : )
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BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 02:13 PM
I like Jags. ....

NOT

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 02:14 PM
I'm what they refer to as 'sneaky fast'. : )
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who would win between you and Top in a suspended cage wrestling match? Remember, you are wearing nothing but traditional speedos

Northman
10-27-2010, 02:15 PM
No we don't. We bleed orange and blue, not whatever colors the gators are. If he wants to piss about the Gators he needs to go to a Gators forum, not a Broncos or any NFL forum.


I wasnt being serious. But the Gators are sucking.

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:15 PM
very well put. Nice and succinctly. You would think that Jags would know better than that. Jags is setting himself up to be quite disappointed imo. Not that I think Tebow's gonna flop, but he's not NFL ready by any means.

Thanks nut....I don't mind the Broncos being on a losing streak but for some reason felt the need to defend Orton...:confused: :lol:

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 02:18 PM
Thanks nut....I don't mind the Broncos being on a losing streak but for some reason felt the need to defend Orton...:confused: :lol:

preciate that KCL. thanks. I like Orton alot. He may be done though with the roll he was on. We'll lsee.

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:18 PM
I'm what they refer to as 'sneaky fast'. : )
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hmmm....reallyyyyyyyyyyyy....;)

rcsodak
10-27-2010, 02:19 PM
Excuses...excuses...;)
just the facts, ma'm.

And BM! :wink:
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KCL
10-27-2010, 02:20 PM
who would win between you and Top in a suspended cage wrestling match? Remember, you are wearing nothing but traditional speedos

YIKES!!!!!!!!! :shocked:

As they said in that movie...it'll take the jaws of life to get that image out of my head.

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:21 PM
just the facts, ma'm.

And BM! :wink:
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uh huh...better watch it...I know what you're up to Mister.

rcsodak
10-27-2010, 02:24 PM
who would win between you and Top in a suspended cage wrestling match? Remember, you are wearing nothing but traditional speedos
hmmmm.....I havent been able to find a pair of speedos that can contain all of me. :tsk:
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NorCalBronco7
10-27-2010, 02:27 PM
Wow the in depth Broncos football talk on this site is thrilling!

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:28 PM
hmmmm.....I havent been able to find a pair of speedos that can contain all of me. :tsk:
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They don't go over the gut rc...lmao

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 02:35 PM
They don't go over the gut rc...lmao

I think he's talking about his twins.

BroncoNut
10-27-2010, 02:36 PM
Wow the in depth Broncos football talk on this site is thrilling!

:rollseyes:

Takin a break here NorCal. Whad'dya got?

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:38 PM
I think he's talking about his twins.

He has 2 guts? ;)

KCL
10-27-2010, 02:38 PM
:focus:

rcsodak
10-27-2010, 02:41 PM
I think he's talking about his twins.
thx.........nut. :elefant:
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The Glue Factory
10-27-2010, 02:41 PM
I wasnt being serious. But the Gators are sucking.

:doh:

Northman
10-27-2010, 03:03 PM
Wow the in depth Broncos football talk on this site is thrilling!

You dont know the half of it.

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10-27-2010, 03:44 PM
Wow the in depth Broncos football talk on this site is thrilling!

. . . so this hamburger walks into a bar, and the bartender says,

"I'm sorry, but we don't serve food here . . . "

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BeefStew25
10-27-2010, 07:25 PM
I thought Jags was a chick.

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10-27-2010, 07:49 PM
I thought Jags was a chick.

That is kind of confusing.

Most groupies are chicks . . .

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BeefStew25
10-27-2010, 07:58 PM
I don't like him/her.

Medford Bronco
10-27-2010, 09:00 PM
So, when we lose to SF this week, who's fault will it be then? McDaniels has quite a conundrum on his hands. He no longer has the "rookie HC" excuse. No longer has the "new system" excuse and 82% of the roster was hand picked by him. Really can't use the "injuries" excuse because the offense was fully healthy and only scored 14 points while turning the ball over numerous times. Short of blaming alien abduction, there are no more excuses. If it's his coaching, it's his fault he designed the scheme and game plan. If it's his players, it's his fault he hand selected them.

Makes perfect sense to me!

I think he has done a sucky job in 2010 and the last part of last season.


Whomever is not seeing this is naive IMHO.

We shall see.

Big week for Boy Wonder. He is failing big time.