McCree on Eddie Royal ....

[omac]

I couldn't find the old Eddie Royal thread, so here's a new one.

I was watching through broncos.com videos, and in a McCree interview, he stated that Marshall, Royal, and Stokley catch everything .... Royal catches everything!

I know it's only camp, but the videos of Royal look real special. He really fights and dives for the ball, and he seems to have very sure hands.

This makes me think more and more, specially with Brandon's imminent early suspension, that we will see a lot more of Royal on offense than we predicted. Without Marshall in the lineup, I think he'll easily take the 4th receiver spot.

I'm loving the depth in this team. :cheers:

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More than that, Shanny implied that even the #2 spot is not out of the
question for Fast Eddie, although Shanny did qualify that by saying he is still
a rookie.

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[Dreadnought]

I'm really enthusiastic about this kid. I truly believe we'll all be laughing in a few years thinking there was ever a thought that some folks wanted Jackson instead.

[Northman]

Im not shocked at all. I knew he was better than even the draft experts were giving credit for. Now lets hope his TC play translates to real time games this season.

[omac]

I'm really enthusiastic about this kid. I truly believe we'll all be laughing in a few years thinking there was ever a thought that some folks wanted Jackson instead.

Yep, besides his obvious strength, I just think he has a toughness about him that will translate well in the nfl. :cheers:

[omac]

Im not shocked at all. I knew he was better than even the draft experts were giving credit for. Now lets hope his TC play translates to real time games this season.

Sure hope so. At the very least, he isn't looking bad at TC, so there is hope. :beer:

[xzn]

I have to admit that I was one who wondered WTF we were doing taking him with DeSean and Limas Sweed still available, but within an hour of the pick as I learned more about him I started to understand why he was the choice.

It is surely exciting for fans that Eddie Royal is flashing good stuff during TC. Here's hoping he's not another Adrian Madise, Marcus Nash or Kevin Kasper...

[Tebow4Ever]

I am definately pulling for this kid to be worked into the starting lineup as soon as possible. With his speed,versatility and soft hands. I think I will get that wish. He set numerous records for the Hokies during his time at VT. At the rookie Q and A session during fanfare in June, he seemed very humble and was mentioning that he had a tremendous amount of respect for Rod Smith and had said that if a guy like Steve Smith who is of the same size can have such success in the NFL than that he felt he could as well. Granted, I hope that doesnt mean punching his fellow players in the left eye..But Hey...

[Lonestar]

mikeys WR have to run great routes catch the ball and be able to block so far he seems to catch the ball in practice and we do not know if the routes are good or bad.. nor do we know if he can block.

time will tell.. I doubt big time unless someone or make that lots of someones are hurt that he sees much action other that giving someone a blow this year..

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Yup Eddie Royal will be the #2 at some point of this season with Aldridge handling PR/KR duties in a split with him.

[Tned]

More than that, Shanny implied that even the #2 spot is not out of the
question for Fast Eddie, although Shanny did qualify that by saying he is still
a rookie.

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Shanny's praise in that radio interview for Royal was glowing. I think he talked more about Royal than anyone. Didn't he saying something like, "I don't want to put the wammy on him and he is just a rookie, but..."

I'm guessing that if Marshall isn't suspended, Royal might win the #2 spot. If Marshall is suspended, Marshall will almost certainly get a chance to prove he should have the #2 spot when Marshall comes back.

[Bronco9798]

I like what I'm reading and hearing about Royal. I also like what I heard about Darius Watts early on too until the claw started flopping. I just hope this kid really does live up to the hype he's getting. I don't see him going in as the #2 week one if BM is suspended though. Once camp gets over and the regular season he's going to deal with a lot of good CB coverage, even different from camp. He still has so much to learn. I'm sure he'll get some PT, but it should be very limited in the first part of the season, then maybe some good progression as the season moves along and he's sees more "real" regular season coverage, not that basic stuff he'll be getting a lot of in pre season.

[Tned]

I like what I'm reading and hearing about Royal. I also like what I heard about Darius Watts early on too until the claw started flopping. I just hope this kid really does live up to the hype he's getting. I don't see him going in as the #2 week one if BM is suspended though. Once camp gets over and the regular season he's going to deal with a lot of good CB coverage, even different from camp. He still has so much to learn. I'm sure he'll get some PT, but it should be very limited in the first part of the season, then maybe some good progression as the season moves along and he's sees more "real" regular season coverage, not that basic stuff he'll be getting a lot of in pre season.

Good point on the Watts comparison. In TC and even preseason, Watts looked All Pro, but he wasn't consistant in games. Never could understand how the nerve damage in his hand (which I think about everytime I hear people talk about Marshall's sliced nerves/tendons) only effected Marshall in games.

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Shanny's praise in that radio interview for Royal was glowing. I think he talked more about Royal than anyone. Didn't he saying something like, "I don't want to put the wammy on him and he is just a rookie, but..."

I'm guessing that if Marshall isn't suspended, Royal might win the #2 spot. If Marshall is suspended, Marshall will almost certainly get a chance to prove he should have the #2 spot when Marshall comes back.

I'm not sure I would go that far. Marshall will be #1 when he comes back,
even if he is suspended. I'm not sure anyone in the league is more talented
than he.

Realistically, from reports I've seen, Jackson looks initially to be at #2 at
this moment if Marshall is there, probably because of experience. If Jackson
has to assume #1 while Marshall is out, then Fast Eddie may have a great
chance to show he can step in at #2. In that scenario, it might be Jackson
who may be in jeopardy of losing #2 when Marshall does come back.

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Darius Watts comparison? Watts could not catch the ball in practice or games. But he was always open. Royal is cut from a differant cloth.

This guy is going to be great.

[Lonestar]

Darius Watts comparison? Watts could not catch the ball in practice or games. But he was always open. Royal is cut from a differant cloth.

This guy is going to be great.

you were obviously watching different footage than anyone else was prior to the beginning to the season in his second year he was catching everything in sight..

Many on here myself included wanted him to replace ashley after his rookie year..

It was the second season when the article came out in the beginning of the season telling the world he did not have but ONE hand and that he caught everything with his left hand and cradled it with his right hand.

When the defenses found out they took that left hand away from him ..

He was unable at that time to earn a living.. an feel good piece in the Post blew his career.. Not saying that someone would not have figured it out sooner or later..

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I don't understand all this "claw" business, anyway. Watts was a good kid.
His ability to get open was just sick. He had a disability that prevented him
from realizing his great talent. But he tried with everything he had.

I respect Watts greatly for that. I do not understand making fun of him for that.

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

you were obviously watching different footage than anyone else was prior to the beginning to the season in his second year he was catching everything in sight..Many on here myself included wanted him to replace ashley after his rookie year..

It was the second season when the article came out in the beginning of the season telling the world he did not have but ONE hand and that he caught everything with his left hand and cradled it with his right hand.

When the defenses found out they took that left hand away from him ..

He was unable at that time to earn a living.. an feel good piece in the Post blew his career.. Not saying that someone would not have figured it out sooner or later..

This is so far from the truth. :lol:Darius Watts was not catching EVERYTHING in camp. The whole camp Shanny was in press conferances talking about how he needed to clean up the dropped balls and talking about how he always gets open.

Ive never heard of a WR having one hand though. Can i get that article from you or what? How does a defense take a hand away from a WR? The DB is at the WR will at all times to try and take away a hand.. Lol like i never heard of this.

Never heard of a defense taking away a WR hand. Like what do they do roll coverage over to his left hand?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I don't understand all this "claw" business, anyway. Watts was a good kid.
His ability to get open was just sick. He had a disability that prevented him
from realizing his great talent. But he tried with everything he had.

I respect Watts greatly for that. I do not understand making fun of him for that.

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Yeah he was a good kid, Just had horrible hands like the kid from the Little Giants movie.

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Yeah he was a good kid, Just had horrible hands like the kid from the Little Giants movie.

I never saw the "Little Giants" movie. I seldom watch a movie.

Nonetheless, I'm just trying to extend the exhortation not to make fun of him.
That kind of thing should have ended in junior high, where kids always seem
to make fun of the boy who cannot play sports well.

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I never saw the "Little Giants" movie. I seldom watch a movie.

Nonetheless, I'm just trying to extend the exhortation not to make fun of him.
That kind of thing should have ended in junior high, where kids always seem
to make fun of the boy who cannot play sports well.

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Now i really get it.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I don't understand all this "claw" business, anyway. Watts was a good kid.
His ability to get open was just sick. He had a disability that prevented him
from realizing his great talent. But he tried with everything he had.

I respect Watts greatly for that. I do not understand making fun of him for that.

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http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=2430

WATTS AT A GLANCE:

* A third-year wide receiver who in 2004 tied for the fifth-best receiving output (31 catches) by a rookie in Broncos history.

[Tned]

I'm not sure I would go that far. Marshall will be #1 when he comes back,
even if he is suspended. I'm not sure anyone in the league is more talented
than he.

Realistically, from reports I've seen, Jackson looks initially to be at #2 at
this moment if Marshall is there, probably because of experience. If Jackson
has to assume #1 while Marshall is out, then Fast Eddie may have a great
chance to show he can step in at #2. In that scenario, it might be Jackson
who may be in jeopardy of losing #2 when Marshall does come back.

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I had a typo in my post you quoted, I am saying the same thing as you, essentially. Not that Royal could win the #1 spot, but if Marshall is suspended, then Royal could get playing time and win/hold on to the #2 spot when Marshall returns.

This:


I'm guessing that if Marshall isn't suspended, Royal might win the #2 spot. If Marshall is suspended, Marshall will almost certainly get a chance to prove he should have the #2 spot when Marshall comes back.

should have been:


I'm guessing that if Marshall isn't suspended, Royal might win the #2 spot. If Marshall is suspended, Royal will almost certainly get a chance to prove he should have the #2 spot when Marshall comes back.

I put the Royal might win the #2 spot, because in the radio interview, Shanny indicated he is good enough that he could win the starting job.

[Lonestar]

This is so far from the truth. :lol:Darius Watts was not catching EVERYTHING in camp. The whole camp Shanny was in press conferances talking about how he needed to clean up the dropped balls and talking about how he always gets open.

Ive never heard of a WR having one hand though. Can i get that article from you or what? How does a defense take a hand away from a WR? The DB is at the WR will at all times to try and take away a hand.. Lol like i never heard of this.

Never heard of a defense taking away a WR hand. Like what do they do roll coverage over to his left hand?



happens all the time they take one side of the field away from you.. stay between you and the QB and when going after the ball do not have to worry about the right hand.. When a WR has two good hands it is harder to shake a ball loose.. When you only have one it is flat easier to do so.. also ahrder to block someone with one hand.

Watts had a great last half of his rookie season and many thought he was shoe in to replace ashley and was doing real well in the second camp. Was playing alot not starting, until that article was written then it was like a swtich was turned off.. his career was over.. whether it was the players or in his own mind who knows..

[BroncoJoe]

I think the knock against Watts isn't his effort or talent - at least in getting open.

It's more from the standpoint of where we drafted him, knowing about his hurt hand.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I have heard of defenses rolling coverage over towards the great WRs. But i doubt they were actually game planning there defensive scheme for Watts during the week at that point of his career. He was not dominant.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I think the knock against Watts isn't his effort or talent - at least in getting open.

It's more from the standpoint of where we drafted him, knowing about his hurt hand.

So he had a hurt hand?

[BroncoJoe]

So he had a hurt hand?

His hand was smashed in a car accident, if I remember correctly.

[Lonestar]

So he had a hurt hand?

he had lost the use of the hand IIRC on an accident (car?) was burned and was more less frozen in its lack of movement .. Some called it a claw like their was sever damage to it and lots of never damage ..

this was before college IIRC

Using a #2 on him was a bone of contention considering being virtually one handed..

[Denver Native (Carol)]

His hand was smashed in a car accident, if I remember correctly.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_20060802/ai_n16662544

Physically, Watts has an explanation for dropped passes. He was in an auto accident his junior year in high school that damaged his right arm and hand. He had surgery but doesn't have full use of his right hand. He said he will not use that as an excuse for dropping a pass.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Wow never read that report, I thought you all were just saying he could only use one hand because he was a righty or lefty.

Thats why i was clowning as if it didnt make sense. I guess he never really had a shot then with that because theres no reason that he should not have been a star WR as much as he abused CBs.

[BroncoJoe]

I think it happened sometime either in early college, or in H.S. I can't really remember though.

He did have a fine college career.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Wow never read that report, I thought you all were just saying he could only use one hand because he was a righty or lefty.

Thats why i was clowning as if it didnt make sense. I guess he never really had a shot then with that because theres no reason that he should not have been a star WR as much as he abused CBs.

Many times, there are reasons for what someone can do, or can not do. Better to know for sure, before throwing something out on the table.

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Wow never read that report, I thought you all were just saying he could only use one hand because he was a righty or lefty.

Thats why i was clowning as if it didnt make sense. I guess he never really had a shot then with that because theres no reason that he should not have been a star WR as much as he abused CBs.

Well, Watts did abuse CBs in his routes and moves. Nobody on the team could
get open like he could. It was just the case of dropped balls.

The high selection of Watts was a terrible gamble that did not pay off. But
I'm sure that his athleticism and speed were the reasons they made that
gamble.

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[Lonestar]

He over compensated for his disability by being a great route runner.. getting wide open and then making a one handed catch..

The scouting staff has been criticized for not knowing about it or NOT thinking it would make a difference at this level..

more or less wasting a #2 on a one handed WR.. had it been a #7 then he'd had a lot less expectations on him.. Shame he was a good kid..

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Many times, there are reasons for what someone can do, or can not do. Better to know for sure, before throwing something out on the table.

Best post in the thread . . .

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Many times, there are reasons for what someone can do, or can not do. Better to know for sure, before throwing something out on the table.

Yeah but i never threw him under the table... Only stating the obvious that he could not catch rather it be from injury or just flatout could not do it at the pro level. Because i do know that he had a great career at Marshall catching. :confused:

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Yeah but i never threw him under the table... Only stating the obvious that he could not catch rather it be from injury or just flatout could not do it at the pro level. Because i do know that he had a great career at Marshall catching. :confused:

I said "throwing something out on the table" - I did not say that you threw him under the table - MAJOR DIFFERENCE

[Lonestar]

I said "throwing something out on the table" - I did not say that you threw him under the table - MAJOR DIFFERENCE


sounded more like throwing someone under the Bus.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I said "throwing something out on the table" - I did not say that you threw him under the table - MAJOR DIFFERENCE

Sounds like the same differance. :coffee:

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Sounds like the same differance. :coffee:

"throwing something out on the table" = making a comment

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

"throwing something out on the table" = making a comment

So your saying people should not make a comment untill they have researched everything about the person? if thats what your saying then i understand

But then i doubt anybody does that. I think you should not dog a person out if you dont know about them. That i could agree with. :salute:

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Sounds like the same differance. :coffee:

Carol was saying that generically. She was not targeting you specifically.

Carol is probably the last person on this board to do that.

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Carol was saying that generically. She was not targeting you specifically.

Carol is probably the last person on this board to do that.

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Just trying to understand Carol. When you make an indirect statement its only natural for people to try to understand. Or make a comment about it.

[Chidoze]

mikeys WR have to run great routes catch the ball and be able to block so far he seems to catch the ball in practice and we do not know if the routes are good or bad.. nor do we know if he can block.

time will tell.. I doubt big time unless someone or make that lots of someones are hurt that he sees much action other that giving someone a blow this year..
I'm thinking that too. Its also entirely possible that he could work his way into starting, but realistically, he'll be at least 4th or lower on the depth chart. I expect him to contribute mostly on special teams and gadget plays specifically designed for him.

[Tned]

I'm thinking that too. Its also entirely possible that he could work his way into starting, but realistically, he'll be at least 4th or lower on the depth chart. I expect him to contribute mostly on special teams and gadget plays specifically designed for him.

Marshall's suspension (if it happens, how long..), could play a big role in how big a chance he gets to prove himself.

[Chidoze]

Marshall's suspension (if it happens, how long..), could play a big role in how big a chance he gets to prove himself.
Well, to be fair, he'll always have the chance to prove himself, whether Marshall is suspended or not. He just has to perform better than whoever is on the active roster, which will most likely be Colbert, Parker, Stokely, & Martinez.

I think people are overlooking Keary Colbert a bit. He, in my mind, would be the 1st candidate for starting in the event that Marshall gets suspended.

Time will tell though.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Eddie Royal has two claws. Makes him more effective.

[Tned]

Well, to be fair, he'll always have the chance to prove himself, whether Marshall is suspended or not. He just has to perform better than whoever is on the active roster, which will most likely be Colbert, Parker, Stokely, & Martinez.

I think people are overlooking Keary Colbert a bit. He, in my mind, would be the 1st candidate for starting in the event that Marshall gets suspended.

Time will tell though.

What I mean is that as a rookie, with limited play in preseason games, it can be hard to rise up the depth charts. If Marshall is gone for 4 games or so, then that opens up a WR spot. If he is 4th on the chart after camp, he is going to be 3rd with Marshall on suspension, and either see time in the slot (with stokely moving outside) or split out wide.

That's why I brought up the possible suspension. It isn't his only chance, it just likely gives him a better chance to prove himself.

[Chidoze]

What I mean is that as a rookie, with limited play in preseason games, it can be hard to rise up the depth charts. If Marshall is gone for 4 games or so, then that opens up a WR spot. If he is 4th on the chart after camp, he is going to be 3rd with Marshall on suspension, and either see time in the slot (with stokely moving outside) or split out wide.

That's why I brought up the possible suspension. It isn't his only chance, it just likely gives him a better chance to prove himself.
Well he's doing a good job of being noticed by the coaches apparently, so if he continues the progress that he's made so far, it wont matter what position he is on the depth chart, the coaches will put the best players on the field.

Personally, I want the guy to succeed. Because his success means more talent on offense, more talent on offense means more scoring. More scoring means more wins, and that's fine by me. :D :salute:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Keary Colbert will probably be the number 2 though. Thats wht its looking like.

He has been consistant and has great hands with a great work ethich ( something all of our guys have this year"

[Chidoze]

Keary Colbert will probably be the number 2 though. Thats wht its looking like.

He has been consistant and has great hands with a great work ethich ( something all of our guys have this year"
We definitely have a good corps. of receivers this year. I'm anxious to see what they can do. :cool:

[Tned]

Well he's doing a good job of being noticed by the coaches apparently, so if he continues the progress that he's made so far, it wont matter what position he is on the depth chart, the coaches will put the best players on the field.

Personally, I want the guy to succeed. Because his success means more talent on offense, more talent on offense means more scoring. More scoring means more wins, and that's fine by me. :D :salute:

I agree 100%. I think if you look back to my original posts on this subject, I said that it looked like he had a chance to win the starting job, and would have a better chance if Marshall was suspended (which I hope doesn't happen). I never said it was his only route to starting.

[Chidoze]

I agree 100%. I think if you look back to my original posts on this subject, I said that it looked like he had a chance to win the starting job, and would have a better chance if Marshall was suspended (which I hope doesn't happen). I never said it was his only route to starting.
Gotcha. I misunderstood. :D

[omac]

If Royal's height does not limit his effectiveness, the potential for the group would be incredible; we'd have the big, solid target that makes plays after the catch ... the sure handed slot receiver that finds ways to get open ... then the really speedy guy who stretches the field. That's a perfect combo, really spreading the offense.

I'm wondering what kind of receivers Jackson and Colbert (and maybe Parker, if he's still here) are. Are they speedsters, possesion guys, etc?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

If Royal's height does not limit his effectiveness, the potential for the group would be incredible; we'd have the big, solid target that makes plays after the catch ... the sure handed slot receiver that finds ways to get open ... then the really speedy guy who stretches the field. That's a perfect combo, really spreading the offense.

I'm wondering what kind of receivers Jackson and Colbert (and maybe Parker, if he's still here) are. Are they speedsters, possesion guys, etc?

Well Colbert has good game speed and runs perfect routes and he is a student of the game and also has great hands.

Parker is just a burner who cant catch.

Jackson is that crafty veteran who runs good routes and just knows how to get open.

[omac]

Well Colbert has good game speed and runs perfect routes and he is a student of the game and also has great hands.

Parker is just a burner who cant catch.

Jackson is that crafty veteran who runs good routes and just knows how to get open.

I didn't know Colbert has great hands; that's excellent to know, since Jay knows how to spread the ball around. I think all Jackson needs is a competent offense, not like the one in SF, so he should be alright.

Maybe they can convert Parker into a corner. :D

[Lonestar]

Well, to be fair, he'll always have the chance to prove himself, whether Marshall is suspended or not. He just has to perform better than whoever is on the active roster, which will most likely be Colbert, Parker, Stokely, & Martinez.

I think people are overlooking Keary Colbert a bit. He, in my mind, would be the 1st candidate for starting in the event that Marshall gets suspended.

Time will tell though.


while it will present the opportunity to get action.. Without BM in the mix I think mikey is going to stick with "proven" vets to keep things from going south..

We have all seen rookie WR have good days and bad days and unless he is a run blocking fool and has all the rotes perfectly down he is going to only see time as a #3 or WR on special downs..

Mike has never been big on rookie WR getting alot of playing time..

maybe the cheetah Will change his stripes.. but I do think mikey has it in him..

[Lonestar]

I didn't know Colbert has great hands; that's excellent to know, since Jay knows how to spread the ball around. I think all Jackson needs is a competent offense, not like the one in SF, so he should be alright.

Maybe they can convert Parker into a corner. :D

Colbert's hands are not that great he had a decent rookie season and tailed off after that never really improved for what ever reason..

D Jackson was really good in SEA did have the dropsies one year and one of the reason SEA did not try to match his FA offer.. But when he is one he is a top 20 WR.. maybe even 10..

Parker has speed but is not a wizard at running great routes or catching .. IMO he was brought on to give us the deep threat to make the other team waste two defenders covering him.. alot like ashley was had to respect him because he could get deep and make catches but was never destined to be a#1..

I think his fate was sealed when they drafted royal a could be great #3 or slot WR but unlikely to become a #1 guy like BM or Rod..

I'd call Djack more of a ROD type can go deep but not threat when he is on a great possession type WR.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Colbert's hands are not that great he had a decent rookie season and tailed off after that never really improved for what ever reason..

D Jackson was really good in SEA did have the dropsies one year and one of the reason SEA did not try to match his FA offer.. But when he is one he is a top 20 WR.. maybe even 10..

Parker has speed but is not a wizard at running great routes or catching .. IMO he was brought on to give us the deep threat to make the other team waste two defenders covering him.. alot like ashley was had to respect him because he could get deep and make catches but was never destined to be a#1..

I think his fate was sealed when they drafted royal a could be great #3 or slot WR but unlikely to become a #1 guy like BM or Rod..

I'd call Djack more of a ROD type can go deep but not threat when he is on a great possession type WR.


Since when did a USC WR not have great hands? Colbert was one of the best. He never really drops passes. hes a possesion WR. Possesion WR's cant have questionable hands.

[rcsodak]

I have to admit that I was one who wondered WTF we were doing taking him with DeSean and Limas Sweed still available, but within an hour of the pick as I learned more about him I started to understand why he was the choice.

It is surely exciting for fans that Eddie Royal is flashing good stuff during TC. Here's hoping he's not another Adrian Madise, Marcus Nash or Kevin Kasper...
hey, Nash is tearing it up!!!!!!!!





























...in the cfl...or is it the afl.....*scratches head*

[Lonestar]

Since when did a USC WR not have great hands? Colbert was one of the best. He never really drops passes. hes a possesion WR. Possesion WR's cant have questionable hands.

He was well thought of in college but it naver happened in the NFL he had a decent rookie year and never improved and soon was replace by a rookie..



Year RECS THROWN AT..
2004 47 92
2005 25 52
2006 5 12
2007 32 69


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/stats/2007/panthers/

You may want to revise your thoughts on him..

[Lonestar]

hey, Nash is tearing it up!!!!!!!!

...in the cfl...or is it the afl.....*scratches head*

Actually I think I heard he was big time injured not to long ago to the point he may never play again..

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

He was well thought of in college but it naver happened in the NFL he had a decent rookie year and never improved and soon was replace by a rookie..



Year RECS THROWN AT..
2004 47 92
2005 25 52
2006 5 12
2007 32 69


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/stats/2007/panthers/

You may want to revise your thoughts on him..


His production has nothing to do with his hands being great. Those numbers only show how many times he was thrown @. Not dropped passes.

[rcsodak]

mikeys WR have to run great routes catch the ball and be able to block so far he seems to catch the ball in practice and we do not know if the routes are good or bad.. nor do we know if he can block.

time will tell.. I doubt big time unless someone or make that lots of someones are hurt that he sees much action other that giving someone a blow this year..

I think you're right, jr.

I don't think we should project him for anything more than a backup to Stokely. Stokely's one of the best slot receivers in the game, and who better to learn from. And with his propensity to get injured, I could see Royal getting alot of snaps.

[rcsodak]

This is so far from the truth. :lol:Darius Watts was not catching EVERYTHING in camp. The whole camp Shanny was in press conferances talking about how he needed to clean up the dropped balls and talking about how he always gets open.

Ive never heard of a WR having one hand though. Can i get that article from you or what? How does a defense take a hand away from a WR? The DB is at the WR will at all times to try and take away a hand.. Lol like i never heard of this.

Never heard of a defense taking away a WR hand. Like what do they do roll coverage over to his left hand?

It's called defending that side of him.

Really, it's not that hard to understand. :coffee:

[Lonestar]

His production has nothing to do with his hands being great. Those numbers only show how many times he was thrown @. Not dropped passes.


while I can't prove it there is a correlation in the number of times someone is thrown at and the number a passes caught.. if you catch less then 50 of your passes the QB is not going to throw at you..

right now he is at 48% one of two things happened here he ran the wrong route or he dropped the ball.. waht matters was it was trown at him he was the designated WR and failed ot bring it down and in most cases he had teh #2 or 3 CB on him..

The QBs that he played with those years averaged 58.7% completion records. With him being at least 10% lower than the QB and the other receivers even you can see something is wrong with HIM..

Thousands of WR were great in college playing against nobody CB's or occasionally good/great ones .. but in the NFL WRs see good to great ones every week.

So while he may have been a stud @USC it did not carry over to Carolina..

Why do you suppose that we got him so cheap no one else wanted him..

You really have to get rid of your man crushes..

[rcsodak]

he had lost the use of the hand IIRC on an accident (car?) was burned and was more less frozen in its lack of movement .. Some called it a claw like their was sever damage to it and lots of never damage ..

this was before college IIRC

Using a #2 on him was a bone of contention considering being virtually one handed..
Well, jr, he sure played well with it in college, pulling in passes from leftwich. He broke records, if I'm not mistaken. It IS too bad he didn't make it. I was pulling for him.

[rcsodak]

Just trying to understand Carol. When you make an indirect statement its only natural for people to try to understand. Or make a comment about it.

Unless one has a guilty conscience.:cool:

[rcsodak]

Well, to be fair, he'll always have the chance to prove himself, whether Marshall is suspended or not. He just has to perform better than whoever is on the active roster, which will most likely be Colbert, Parker, Stokely, & Martinez.

I think people are overlooking Keary Colbert a bit. He, in my mind, would be the 1st candidate for starting in the event that Marshall gets suspended.

Time will tell though.

Not from what I'm reading, though. Seems he's not doing anything spectatular in camp. Shame, really. He had such high expectations on him, coming out of USC. Maybe there's a reason why a team short of WR's, and the QB that threw to him in college, didn't jump on him this summer?

[Lonestar]

Well, jr, he sure played well with it in college, pulling in passes from leftwich. He broke records, if I'm not mistaken. It IS too bad he didn't make it. I was pulling for him.

the thing mikey and crew were crowing about draft day is that he broke most of Mosses records therefore........................


Now we know it was an incredible waste of a #2

could have had any of the following instead..

54 Darius Watts WR Marshall Denver Broncos
55 Greg Jones RB Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars
56 Madieu Williams FS Maryland Cincinnati Bengals
57 Antwan Odom DE Alabama Tennessee Titans
58 Shawntae Spencer CB Pittsburgh San Francisco 49ers
59 Sean Jones SAF Georgia Cleveland Browns
60 Courtney Watson MLB Notre Dame New Orleans Saints
61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh Kansas City Chiefs
62 Keary Colbert WR USC Carolina Panthers
63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State New England Patriots
2004 - Round 3
Sel # Player Position School Team
64 Darnell Dockett DT Florida State Arizona Cardinals
65 Nate Kaeding K Iowa San Diego Chargers
66 Nick Hardwick C Purdue San Diego Chargers
67 Stuart Schweigert SAF Purdue Oakland Raiders
68 Ben Hartsock TE Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
69 Gilbert Gardner LB Purdue Indianapolis Colts
70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State Green Bay Packers
71 Randy Starks DT Maryland Tennessee Titans
72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson Green Bay Packers
73 Keith Smith CB McNeese State Detroit Lions
74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State Buffalo Bills
75 Max Starks T Florida Pittsburgh Steelers
76 Derrick Strait CB Oklahoma New York Jets
77 Derrick Hamilton WR Clemson San Francisco 49ers
78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State Chicago Bears
79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington Tampa Bay Buccaneers
80 Caleb Miller LB Arkansas Cincinnati Bengals
81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State Washington Redskins
82 Devard Darling WR Washington State Baltimore Ravens
83 Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State Dallas Cowboys
84 Sean Locklear G North Carolina State Seattle Seahawks


just a few noteable starters on that list could have been broncos..

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

the thing mikey and crew were crowing about draft day is that he broke most of Mosses records therefore........................


Now we know it was an incredible waste of a #2

could have had any of the following instead..

54 Darius Watts WR Marshall Denver Broncos
55 Greg Jones RB Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars
56 Madieu Williams FS Maryland Cincinnati Bengals
57 Antwan Odom DE Alabama Tennessee Titans
58 Shawntae Spencer CB Pittsburgh San Francisco 49ers
59 Sean Jones SAF Georgia Cleveland Browns
60 Courtney Watson MLB Notre Dame New Orleans Saints
61 Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh Kansas City Chiefs
62 Keary Colbert WR USC Carolina Panthers
63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State New England Patriots
2004 - Round 3
Sel # Player Position School Team
64 Darnell Dockett DT Florida State Arizona Cardinals
65 Nate Kaeding K Iowa San Diego Chargers
66 Nick Hardwick C Purdue San Diego Chargers
67 Stuart Schweigert SAF Purdue Oakland Raiders
68 Ben Hartsock TE Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
69 Gilbert Gardner LB Purdue Indianapolis Colts
70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State Green Bay Packers
71 Randy Starks DT Maryland Tennessee Titans
72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson Green Bay Packers
73 Keith Smith CB McNeese State Detroit Lions
74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State Buffalo Bills
75 Max Starks T Florida Pittsburgh Steelers
76 Derrick Strait CB Oklahoma New York Jets
77 Derrick Hamilton WR Clemson San Francisco 49ers
78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State Chicago Bears
79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington Tampa Bay Buccaneers
80 Caleb Miller LB Arkansas Cincinnati Bengals
81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State Washington Redskins
82 Devard Darling WR Washington State Baltimore Ravens
83 Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State Dallas Cowboys
84 Sean Locklear G North Carolina State Seattle Seahawks


just a few noteable starters on that list could have been broncos..


Thats called monday morning QBn. I think any team in the NFL can look back and say what we could have had that year. Alot of teams could have had Marshall, Dumervil, and TD and etc.

Like i sure wish we had drafted Ed Reed over Ashley Lelie looking back. You know?

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Darnell Dockett is the best player on that list and you didn't highlight him?

[rcsodak]

I didn't know Colbert has great hands; that's excellent to know, since Jay knows how to spread the ball around. I think all Jackson needs is a competent offense, not like the one in SF, so he should be alright.

Maybe they can convert Parker into a corner. :D

The hit on Colbert is his inconsistency. He'll get open but drop the ball. Or he won't get open.
I suppose on occasion, he'll do both.

Jackson, following the reports and blogs, is showing the most. He's best known for his hands while on the 'Hawks. He just didn't have anybody to throw it to him, in sanfran.

Parker is for stretching the field, as he's faster than both. But if you can't make it as a WR in KC, then there's something wrong with you.

[Lonestar]

Darnell Dockett is the best player on that list and you didn't highlight him?


missed him was in a hurry.

But the point was we took a one handed kid that was a great route runner and set a bunch of middle level conference records thinking he could match that in the NFL NOT FOR LONG league..

Someone was thinking big time wrong..

I hope we never draft a WR again they are so hit and miss they are IMO not worth the draft picks.. of the 17 or so that mikey has taken since he got here BM is the only proven one we have hit on and he is a head case ALSO..

[rcsodak]

Since when did a USC WR not have great hands? Colbert was one of the best. He never really drops passes. hes a possesion WR. Possesion WR's cant have questionable hands.

USC is not in the NFL, in case you didn't know. :D

Look at his stats, for pete's sake. JR isn't slamming USC, he's simply stating a fact.

Watts had a GREAT college career catching balls. Did that translate into the NFL?

Geez.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

missed him was in a hurry.

But the point was we took a one handed kid that was a great route runner and set a bunch of middle level conference records thinking he could match that in the NFL NOT FOR LONG league..

Someone was thinking big time wrong..

I hope we never draft a WR again they are so hit and miss they are IMO not worth the draft picks.. of the 17 or so that mikey has taken since he got here BM is the only proven one we have hit on and he is a head case ALSO..

Heyyy if i can get some braylon edwards and Brandon Marshalls im cool with taking a WR.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Catch rate is one thing (influenced by many things) and drop rate is another. Does anyone have Stats Inc. to get his drop rate? [K. Colbert]

[rcsodak]

His production has nothing to do with his hands being great. Those numbers only show how many times he was thrown @. Not dropped passes.
lmao.

I think we found a USC homer.....


haha

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

USC is not in the NFL, in case you didn't know. :D

Look at his stats, for pete's sake. JR isn't slamming USC, he's simply stating a fact.

Watts had a GREAT college career catching balls. Did that translate into the NFL?

Geez.

Watts was playing for Marshall. Colbert performed at a bigtime program.

Im not by any means defending USC. I dont like USC. But history tells us that USC WRs dont have questionable hands.

Like you cant go wrong with a Miami RB? Or a Penn St LB?

Stuff like that. That being said im not crowning Colbert anything. I have just never heard of him having average hands at the college and pro level.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Catch rate is one thing (influenced by many things) and drop rate is another. Does anyone have Stats Inc. to get his drop rate? [K. Colbert]

exactly that is all im saying. Post the dropped passes statistic. Not the amount of times he was thrown at.

Those stats include balls that was thrown in his direction. But could have sailed out of bounds, Pass been broken up by a DB. Too high, Too low, INT.

All those things factor into the thrown @ statistic,

[Lonestar]

Heyyy if i can get some braylon edwards and Brandon Marshalls im cool with taking a WR.


if we are getting them in the 4th or later or if the team is so totally stocked with players that we have no weak spots, then we use on on a flyer.. but mikey has sucked donkey balls 1 out of 17 is not good odds at all..

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Shanny has sucked drafting just about everything up untill a couple years ago.

[Lonestar]

Catch rate is one thing (influenced by many things) and drop rate is another. Does anyone have Stats Inc. to get his drop rate? [K. Colbert]

while I get what you are saying think at it in this matter IF he 48% is a full 10% behind the QB completion level 58% that means:


He can't get open.
He can't catch the ball.
The CB defended him.
He is dropping the ball.
There were other WR that were doing all the right thing he was not.


I suspect that may be other reasons but the fact was he did not catch the ball enough and the QB stopped going to him they drafted a rookie who took his spot.

Bottom line is they let him go he was cheap and we got him.. now he has to beat out someone for a spot on the squad..

[rcsodak]

Watts was playing for Marshall. Colbert performed at a bigtime program.

Im not by any means defending USC. I dont like USC. But history tells us that USC WRs dont have questionable hands.

Like you cant go wrong with a Miami RB? Or a Penn St LB?

Stuff like that. That being said im not crowning Colbert anything. I have just never heard of him having average hands at the college and pro level.

MWilliams is another "great" WR from USC. Hmmmm.... a trend?:eek:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

while I get what you are saying think at it in this matter IF he 48% is a full 10% behind the QB completion level 58% that means:


He can't get open.
He can't catch the ball.
The CB defended him.
He is dropping the ball.
There were other WR that were doing all the right thing he was not.


I suspect that may be other reasons but the fact was he did not catch the ball enough and the QB stopped going to him they drafted a rookie who took his spot.

Bottom line is they let him go he was cheap and we got him.. now he has to beat out someone for a spot on the squad..


what about having an Average QB who only throws to one WR "Steve Smith" who is a mad man beating on his own teammate. I mean i cant name a Carolina WR other than Steve Smith who is having success with Delhomme the journeymen.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

MWilliams is another "great" WR from USC. Hmmmm.... a trend?:eek:

Poor work ethic for that guy. Could have been a very good possesion WR.

[GEM]

Actually I think I heard he was big time injured not to long ago to the point he may never play again..

Neck injury of some sort.

[Lonestar]

Neck injury of some sort.


came off on a stretcher and was in the hospital had no feeling in his lower body... Had not heard after that