Shanahan on Radio: "We will not miss the playoffs"

[kmonty]

Mike Shanahan appeared on FM Radio 104.3 The Fan in Denver this morning and said emphatically, "We will not miss the playoffs." It was a bold statement, and out of the ordinary for our Head Coach. Gave me chills!

More via the link...

http://broncotalk.net/2008/08/shanahan-we-will-not-miss-the-playoffs/

[tubby]

:drinkingthekoolaid:

11-5

[SmilinAssasSin27]

It ALL hinges on the Safeties IMHO. Even w/o BMarsh, we have enough pieces to move the ball and score some points. W/ BMarsh, the O can be special. The DL is older, healthier and more experienced than last year and the LBs should be stable. The CBs will be fine. The Safeties will go a long way in determining the overall success of this team. Can they support the run? Can they help Bly when he bites on the pump fake (and he will)?

[BroncoJoe]

I'm going to watch the O-Line closely during preseason. That's key, IMO.

[Rex]

It ALL hinges on the Safeties IMHO. Even w/o BMarsh, we have enough pieces to move the ball and score some points. W/ BMarsh, the O can be special. The DL is older, healthier and more experienced than last year and the LBs should be stable. The CBs will be fine. The Safeties will go a long way in determining the overall success of this team. Can they support the run? Can they help Bly when he bites on the pump fake (and he will)?

Go paint your basement.


How about the Offensive and Defensive line?

[Den21vsBal19]

Personally, it all hinges on the OL for me..................give Jay the time to do his thing, AND produce a Red Zone running game, and we'll be in pretty good shape.

We proved (most of) last year that we can move pretty much at will between the 20s, it's only once we got inside we had problems.

[honz]

If our line play is solid (O and D) we will make the playoffs. If our line play looks like it did last year then it will be another long season.

I think we will make the playoffs as well...but then again I am a proud Broncos homer!

[BroncoJoe]

I think just going back to the single gap responsibility for the D-Line is going to make a huge difference. I'm more worried about the LB's than the line.

[tubby]

Cutler has to pass for 40 touchdown.

[tubby]

I think just going back to the single gap responsibility for the D-Line is going to make a huge difference. I'm more worried about the LB's than the line.

Lloyd I love it when you try and talk x's and o's.

[BroncoJoe]

Lloyd I love it when you try and talk x's and o's.

I heard that on the fan, so I can't take credit for it, but thanks for noticing Francis.

[underrated29]

yep there are 3 things i am specifically looking out for in preseason.

OL,DL, RB.

well four- DJAX Andr ROYAL.

I have thought all along we are 10-6 and 11-5 with my glasses on. I know 10-6 is a possibility. LAst year our crappy team and defense gave up a couple easy ones to the bears and packers and raiders. that right there would have been 10-6.

So with a newer team, more talneted especially at WR, a healthy OLIne as 3/5ths of our oline was IR, and our old ways on defense for stopping the run (besides last year we have always been like a top 10) there is zero doubt in my mind that 10-6 wont happen.

But because we are still young and fresh i think 11-5 might be our max, but that still is playoffs. And once playoffs start anything can happen!

[Rex]

Lloyd I love it when you try and talk x's and o's.

Lloyd is dropping knowledge like Merril Hodge.

[tubby]

War The Mastermind!!

[BroncoJoe]

I do have sources, you know.

[Bronco Backer]

Our offense is going to be pretty solid, 10-6 if our kicker pans out.

[Retired_Member_001]

Remember the last time a player/coach promised the Playoffs? It was Jon Kitna, and how did the work out for the Lions? I usually trust Shanahan unless it's to do with drafting, however, I think he may have been abit drunk when he made that comment. Of course, the playoffs are possible for this team, however, I wouldn't go out promising it. To make the playoffs, we need things to go our way, to not make the playoffs, all we need is one or two key injuries.

[Tned]

It all depends on whether or not Shanny decides to be an offensive minded head coach again. Hopefully, with the failed Dinger experiment over, he doesn't just hand the offense to Dennison, but instead is actively, very actively, involved in the offense, game planning, play calling, etc. and mentors Dennison the way he did Kubiak.

If he does that, and if at least one of Nalen/Hamilton is healthy and Clady is ready to start, then I think the offense will be good enough to cover anything except a horrible, Bates-style defense.

[Retired_Member_001]

It all depends on whether or not Shanny decides to be an offensive minded head coach again. Hopefully, with the failed Dinger experiment over, he doesn't just hand the offense to Dennison, but instead is actively, very actively, involved in the offense, game planning, play calling, etc. and mentors Dennison the way he did Kubiak.

If he does that, and if at least one of Nalen/Hamilton is healthy and Clady is ready to start, then I think the offense will be good enough to cover anything except a horrible, Bates-style defense.

Our offense was way too conservative and predictable last season. I can't count how many times we ran that WR Screen Play. It just got crazy. I honestly hope that Shanahan goes back to the aggressive crazy guy that we all love. If he does that, we can go anywhere. He needs to become "The Mastermind" again.

[topscribe]

That's just not like Shanny. He has NEVER made a prediction like that, that I know of.

Therefore, all the sudden, I believe the Broncos will be in the playoffs! :dance:

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[Watchthemiddle]

1. Red Zone offense HAS to improve. We no longer have Elam to count on, so we MUST score more TD's

2. The entire D has to improve greatly against the run.

3. O-line has to be healthy

4. Running game needs to improve

5. Special teams special teams special teams

6. Play calling. Stop being so conservative

[Tned]

Here's a link to the interview. GLOWING praise for Eddie Royal. All but said he thinks he will win a starting job: http://fm1043thefan.com/theSportsGuys/podcasts.cfm#

He also was very clear that he is not, and never does, make decisions based on going with a youth movement. He said he always plays the best players, period.

[Tned]

Also, he says, "I'll be surprised if we are not one of the better offenses in the NFL". More depth at RB, and the O-line will be better. Much better on run defense and defense overall.

[topscribe]

Here's a link to the interview. GLOWING praise for Eddie Royal. All but said he thinks he will win a starting job: http://fm1043thefan.com/theSportsGuys/podcasts.cfm#

He also was very clear that he is not, and never does, make decisions based on going with a youth movement. He said he always plays the best players, period.

I was ECSTATIC when they drafted Fast Eddie Royal, and he hasn't let me down. :nixon:

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[Tned]

I was ECSTATIC when they drafted Fast Eddie Royal, and he hasn't let me down. :nixon:

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Interview is well worth listening to. Shanahan is always optimistic, so obviously it has to be taken with a grain of salt, but he seems even more optimistic than normal about the team he has.

[Northman]

Hmm, tall order but i like his thinking. :)

[underrated29]

WOW! i heard it in the morning but real quick. I slowed it down and replayed that like 5 times. He is certain that we will make the playoffs.

I said 10-6 regular and 11-5 with glasses, I think i might have just moved us up to 12-4 or 13-3 with glasses and the division. I know thats far fetched but mike knows what he is doing and it didnt seem at all like he thought we were still going to have a learning curve, or adjustments still needed to be made.

I guess its ok we let elam walk (i always thought it was) because it sounds like he plans to score lots and lots of tds.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

14-2

[broncogirl7]

Awesome Shanahan! I believe in you and the Broncos! Playoff bound...13-3!

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Awesome Shanahan! I believe in you and the Broncos! Playoff bound...13-3!

Toast to that :beer:

[Scarface]

Remember the last time a player/coach promised the Playoffs? It was Jon Kitna, and how did the work out for the Lions?

Yeah but Shanny actually knows what it takes to get to the playoffs.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Shanahan has balls, that's why I like him. You spit that fire Shanahan.

[hamrob]

Now...let's hope the players respond to this. It's not everyday that Shanny goes out on a limb...we'll have to see if the team rises to the challenge. If they can stay healthy...I don't see why they can't be a very good team this year!!!

[lex]

I loved that interview. I like that he called out the media for so few Broncos in the hall of fame. I think he is a little optimistic about the defense but I and I really hope he is right about the offense being better. Also, he seems more pleased with the over all talent on the roster than he has in recent years. A lot of good stuff there.

[LordTrychon]

Great interview. :salute:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Yeah but Shanny actually knows what it takes to get to the playoffs.

Lions and Broncos comparison? One organization expects to win every year and the other hopes to win every year. Big differance.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Other than a few fans on here.

[Lonestar]

I do not see it with this team:

All of its youth and changes on the OLINE and DLine in particular.
Then tossing in Marshall being on a suspension from 2-8 weeks.
Add to that not being able to beat out SAN for the division.
With the other good AFC teams from last year improving, I do not see a wild card chance either
brand new kickers

.

Not from what I know at this time..

Until we see them play real teams, we will know better after a couple preseason games and pretty much for sure after the third one, until then it is all we have training camp hype and potential.

[broncophan]

I think Shanny....and alot of you people on here that agree with him..:confused:............are forgetting one "little" thing..(among the way-too-many other issues this team has).............................................. ..

We have a qb who is very young and inexperienced...............hell he hasn't led a team to a winning record since ....what.... his high school days???...........coming off a 7-9 record.....where this team was very fortunate to be 7-9.......playoffs are not even worth discussing for this team...let's talk playoffs in 2010 or 2011....

[Nomad]

I do not see it with this team:

All of its youth and changes on the OLINE and DLine in particular.
Then tossing in Marshall being on a suspension from 2-8 weeks.
Add to that not being able to beat out SAN for the division.
With the other good AFC teams from last year improving, I do not see a wild card chance either
brand new kickers

.

Not from what I know at this time..

Until we see them play real teams, we will know better after a couple preseason games and pretty much for sure after the third one, until then it is all we have training camp hype and potential.


Usually Denver starts off slow and seeing 3 out of the first 4 games are AFC West, they need Marshall out there, not including NO, TB, JAC, NE.:eek: IMO that's a real test for the 1st half. Denver needs to come out swinging and hopefully Shanny has changed his playbook a little because teams seem to know his schemes too well. Oh well, we see and I hope for the best.

[hamrob]

I think Shanny....and alot of you people on here that agree with him..:confused:............are forgetting one "little" thing..(among the way-too-many other issues this team has).............................................. ..

We have a qb who is very young and inexperienced...............hell he hasn't led a team to a winning record since ....what.... his high school days???...........coming off a 7-9 record.....where this team was very fortunate to be 7-9.......playoffs are not even worth discussing for this team...let's talk playoffs in 2010 or 2011....
You're an ***edit**! Tell you what...why don't you give us all a shout back in 2010, 2011. See ya!

Don't bother watching us this year when we're in the playoffs.

[Retired_Member_001]

Yeah but Shanny actually knows what it takes to get to the playoffs.

But does he have the players?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Lol see what i mean, So call Bronos fans who just doubt our team will be anything. When they players and coaches are out there busting there ass to get better. And all people on here an do is predict them to win 7 games or less. Yawns.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Just dont get how you even get excited for football when you expect nothing but horribleness.

[Timmy!]

I think that somebody who can't understand and respect other people's opinion about the Denver Broncos not being an elite team this season, would be an intolerant moron. :cool:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I think that somebody who can't understand and respect other people's opinion about the Denver Broncos not being an elite team this season, would be an intolerant moron. :cool:

I would respect it if they were Charger.Raider,Cheifs fans. But if there not on my Broncos success train then it does not matter who there fans of.

[Timmy!]

I would respect it if they were Charger.Raider,Cheifs fans. But if there not on my Broncos success train then it does not matter who there fans of.

You better hope MB doesn't read this. The combined amount of grammar/English errors might make him pass out.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

You better hope MB doesn't read this. The combined amount of grammar/English errors might make him pass out.

You should try staying on topic thread to thread.

[Retired_Member_001]

Just dont get how you even get excited for football when you expect nothing but horribleness.

If you are talking about me, I think playoffs are possible. I think going out and saying this like Shanahan did was abit too much though. I'm predicting about 9 wins. Maybe 10 if we are lucky. That should be good for the playoffs. If I was being negative, I would say we are doomed to a top 10 Draft Pick.

I like to be realistic. There are times when I'm realistic when everyone else is negative, then I'm called over optimistic. Then there are times when I'm realistic when everyone else is positive, then I'm called negative. I like to be realistic, that is all.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

True enough, My realistic is everybody is 0-0 to start the year so everybody just about has a shot. Inspired by the G-men.

[Retired_Member_001]

True enough, My realistic is everybody is 0-0 to start the year so everybody just about has a shot. Inspired by the G-men.

I agree. We all start out at 0-0 and everybody has a shot. There's no point playing if you don't believe you can win it all at 0-0. However, REALISTICALLY, we should be aiming to contend for the playoffs. That's what I'm expecting. If we make the playoffs, then anything can happen.

[Nomad]

If you are talking about me, I think playoffs are possible. I think going out and saying this like Shanahan did was abit too much though. I'm predicting about 9 wins. Maybe 10 if we are lucky. That should be good for the playoffs. If I was being negative, I would say we are doomed to a top 10 Draft Pick.

I like to be realistic. There are times when I'm realistic when everyone else is negative, then I'm called over optimistic. Then there are times when I'm realistic when everyone else is positive, then I'm called negative. I like to be realistic, that is all.


I like to see proof on the field, not paper! TC gives us optimism but it's the play on the field what counts in games versus different teams. I believe preseason will tell us where this teams heart is. Denver has alot to prove before I'll give them a wildcard spot and SD has owned the BRONCOS the last 4 games (hopefully this changes). They'll be well tested in their 1st 7 games to see if they are playoff material and yes I do hope this team wins and goes beyond the regular season. You're right Wookie!!

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I like to see proof on the field, not paper! TC gives us optimism but it's the play on the field what counts in games versus different teams. I believe preseason will tell us where this teams heart is. Denver has alot to prove before I'll give them a wildcard spot and SD has owned the BRONCOS the last 4 games (hopefully this changes). They'll be well tested in their 1st 7 games to see if they are playoff material and yes I do hope this team wins and goes beyond the regular season. You're right Wookie!!

4 games compared to decades of pounding them? How long you been a Bronco fan if you dont mind me asking?

[Nomad]

4 games compared to decades of pounding them? How long you been a Bronco fan if you dont mind me asking?

If you have to have an exact number 1988! how old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I can email you my portfolio of my experience with football playing, watching, and coaching!

[Lonestar]

I would respect it if they were Charger.Raider,Cheifs fans. But if there not on my Broncos success train then it does not matter who there fans of.

Let me say it right now..

I'm a DEN fan been one for probably twice as many years as you've been alive..

Just because I no longer believe they we win the super bowl every year does not me me less of a fan.. Nor do I feel bad about not being on your fan train..

While I hope that all the moons and stars will line up just right and allow us to win it all. I do not believe hat is going to happen this year with all of the inconsistinecy that we have had for the past 3 years..

As someone mentioned we have a great YOUNG QB that has not had a winning season since HS..
We have a lot of questions on the DL

How much is Gardener going to play.
How far has Thomas come considering he really did not play more that hand full of games in the past 3 years..
Same can be said for moss whom I have seen by roto world calling him a bust.
About the only DL guy that I can feel whippy about is crowder that came on strong for most of the year..
The you have to factor in sophomore slumps on the three of them..


We have three new to position LB playing a different scheme than last year and LB is a place where teamwork and trusting the other guy is essential.. Two of which were on different teams last year..

two new safeties maybe one new CB

ON defense we have two returning lettermen.. Champ and Crowder.. maybe Dumervil if you count Partime players in the same slots they were last year.
2.5 out of 11 they have lost team captain in Lynch and they are playing in a new system

Pardon me all to hell if I do not jump on your we are going to the super bowl wagon just yet and this is just the defensive question marks..

Now lets talk about OLINE:

Nalen is back but has been gimping around for half of the TC so far.. he is in his 13th year coming off a major owwiee..
Hamilton has been described by folks as playing on roller skates in pass protect by OUR DLINE wait till JAX, NE, CLE or SAN come to town.
Harris, Kuper, pears or the new big guy from COLORADO at RT this is toss up..
fatty at ORG who may not see playing time till the regular season at this rate..
Rookie OLT clady may be the best one we have out there this year as rookie.. that speaks volumes of how far the might have fallen.

It take years for OLINES to become consistent in trusting eh guy next to him.... This is not going to be good till mid season at best if then.



RB may be the bright spot after Marshall if he makes it back from suspension without getting arrested again.

Young looks like the front runner but could not handle the load last year
Torrain a rookie with lots of promise. coming off a lisfranc injury.
Hillis ditto

pitman or sapp gone.

QB could be one of the great one.. but lots of national writers are not sold on him YET.. has a lot of learning to do.. no doubt he has a great arm on him.. now we just have to see if he has it between the ears..

WR beyond Marshall who may see as much as 8 weeks off but more like 2.. we have a bunch of who knows with
Jackson looking the best Colbert still has not figure out where the urinal is..
Stokely who carried alot of th load last year but wore down.

Royal rookie who may see alot of time on special teams.. But doubtful as an every down WR because almost none have played alot as a rookie for mikey.. Catching the ball is but a part of playing WR for mikey..

TE
Nate seems to be the guy that has had the best camp so far wow as much as I like the guy that speaks wonder about the rest of them..

Graham will be cladys training wheels for most of the year..

In summary

every where I look and see someone coming off an injury, never played the position before or still is carrying helmets around for the veterans..

Lots of potential folks but 6 days worth of training camp does not make them super bowl champs like some would love to believe in ..

I doubt unless everything lines up just right and San fall flat on there face this team will not be a playoff team not with all the other AFC teams in contention if the were in the NFC absolutely and playoff team.. but unless they traded with say PHX it is not going to happen this year

But 2009 should be pretty strong..

[Retired_Member_001]

Let me say it right now..

I'm a DEN fan been one for probably twice as many years as you've been alive..

Just because I no longer believe they we win the super bowl every year does not me me less of a fan.. Nor do I feel bad about not being on your fan train..

While I hope that all the moons and stars will line up just right and allow us to win it all. I do not believe hat is going to happen this year with all of the inconsistinecy that we have had for the past 3 years..

As someone mentioned we have a great YOUNG QB that has not had a winning season since HS..
We have a lot of questions on the DL

How much is Gardener going to play.
How far has Thomas come considering he really did not play more that hand full of games in the past 3 years..
Same can be said for moss whom I have seen by roto world calling him a bust.
About the only DL guy that I can feel whippy about is crowder that came on strong for most of the year..
The you have to factor in sophomore slumps on the three of them..


We have three new to position LB playing a different scheme than last year and LB is a place where teamwork and trusting the other guy is essential.. Two of which were on different teams last year..

two new safeties maybe one new CB

ON defense we have two returning lettermen.. Champ and Crowder.. maybe Dumervil if you count Partime players in the same slots they were last year.
2.5 out of 11 they have lost team captain in Lynch and they are playing in a new system

Pardon me all to hell if I do not jump on your we are going to the super bowl wagon just yet and this is just the defensive question marks..

Now lets talk about OLINE:

Nalen is back but has been gimping around for half of the TC so far.. he is in his 13th year coming off a major owwiee..
Hamilton has been described by folks as playing on roller skates in pass protect by OUR DLINE wait till JAX, NE, CLE or SAN come to town.
Harris, Kuper, pears or the new big guy from COLORADO at RT this is toss up..
fatty at ORG who may not see playing time till the regular season at this rate..
Rookie OLT clady may be the best one we have out there this year as rookie.. that speaks volumes of how far the might have fallen.

It take years for OLINES to become consistent in trusting eh guy next to him.... This is not going to be good till mid season at best if then.



RB may be the bright spot after Marshall if he makes it back from suspension without getting arrested again.

Young looks like the front runner but could not handle the load last year
Torrain a rookie with lots of promise. coming off a lisfranc injury.
Hillis ditto

pitman or sapp gone.

QB could be one of the great one.. but lots of national writers are not sold on him YET.. has a lot of learning to do.. no doubt he has a great arm on him.. now we just have to see if he has it between the ears..

WR beyond Marshall who may see as much as 8 weeks off but more like 2.. we have a bunch of who knows with
Jackson looking the best Colbert still has not figure out where the urinal is..
Stokely who carried alot of th load last year but wore down.

Royal rookie who may see alot of time on special teams.. But doubtful as an every down WR because almost none have played alot as a rookie for mikey.. Catching the ball is but a part of playing WR for mikey..

TE
Nate seems to be the guy that has had the best camp so far wow as much as I like the guy that speaks wonder about the rest of them..

Graham will be cladys training wheels for most of the year..

In summary

every where I look and see someone coming off an injury, never played the position before or still is carrying helmets around for the veterans..

Lots of potential folks but 6 days worth of training camp does not make them super bowl champs like some would love to believe in ..

I doubt unless everything lines up just right and San fall flat on there face this team will not be a playoff team not with all the other AFC teams in contention if the were in the NFC absolutely and playoff team.. but unless they traded with say PHX it is not going to happen this year

But 2009 should be pretty strong..

Great post.

Could even be an article.

:salute:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Let me say it right now..

I'm a DEN fan been one for probably twice as many years as you've been alive..

Just because I no longer believe they we win the super bowl every year does not me me less of a fan.. Nor do I feel bad about not being on your fan train..

While I hope that all the moons and stars will line up just right and allow us to win it all. I do not believe hat is going to happen this year with all of the inconsistinecy that we have had for the past 3 years..

As someone mentioned we have a great YOUNG QB that has not had a winning season since HS..
We have a lot of questions on the DL

How much is Gardener going to play.
How far has Thomas come considering he really did not play more that hand full of games in the past 3 years..
Same can be said for moss whom I have seen by roto world calling him a bust.
About the only DL guy that I can feel whippy about is crowder that came on strong for most of the year..
The you have to factor in sophomore slumps on the three of them..


We have three new to position LB playing a different scheme than last year and LB is a place where teamwork and trusting the other guy is essential.. Two of which were on different teams last year..

two new safeties maybe one new CB

ON defense we have two returning lettermen.. Champ and Crowder.. maybe Dumervil if you count Partime players in the same slots they were last year.
2.5 out of 11 they have lost team captain in Lynch and they are playing in a new system

Pardon me all to hell if I do not jump on your we are going to the super bowl wagon just yet and this is just the defensive question marks..

Now lets talk about OLINE:

Nalen is back but has been gimping around for half of the TC so far.. he is in his 13th year coming off a major owwiee..
Hamilton has been described by folks as playing on roller skates in pass protect by OUR DLINE wait till JAX, NE, CLE or SAN come to town.
Harris, Kuper, pears or the new big guy from COLORADO at RT this is toss up..
fatty at ORG who may not see playing time till the regular season at this rate..
Rookie OLT clady may be the best one we have out there this year as rookie.. that speaks volumes of how far the might have fallen.

It take years for OLINES to become consistent in trusting eh guy next to him.... This is not going to be good till mid season at best if then.



RB may be the bright spot after Marshall if he makes it back from suspension without getting arrested again.

Young looks like the front runner but could not handle the load last year
Torrain a rookie with lots of promise. coming off a lisfranc injury.
Hillis ditto

pitman or sapp gone.

QB could be one of the great one.. but lots of national writers are not sold on him YET.. has a lot of learning to do.. no doubt he has a great arm on him.. now we just have to see if he has it between the ears..

WR beyond Marshall who may see as much as 8 weeks off but more like 2.. we have a bunch of who knows with
Jackson looking the best Colbert still has not figure out where the urinal is..
Stokely who carried alot of th load last year but wore down.

Royal rookie who may see alot of time on special teams.. But doubtful as an every down WR because almost none have played alot as a rookie for mikey.. Catching the ball is but a part of playing WR for mikey..

TE
Nate seems to be the guy that has had the best camp so far wow as much as I like the guy that speaks wonder about the rest of them..

Graham will be cladys training wheels for most of the year..

In summary

every where I look and see someone coming off an injury, never played the position before or still is carrying helmets around for the veterans..

Lots of potential folks but 6 days worth of training camp does not make them super bowl champs like some would love to believe in ..

I doubt unless everything lines up just right and San fall flat on there face this team will not be a playoff team not with all the other AFC teams in contention if the were in the NFC absolutely and playoff team.. but unless they traded with say PHX it is not going to happen this year

But 2009 should be pretty strong..

Sounds like a scouting report you would have written up for a team like the G-Men last off season. :lol: In this NFL its not hard to get on top. Exspecially when you got a great QB. I dont put stock into rotoworld calling a guy who has played 5-6 games a bust.

I would not call any rookie a bust untill after 3 years. SD :coffee: Tired of hearing praises about them from Bronco fans. They have holes also and alot of there big time players are hurt or stillt rying to recover from injuries. Along with them not having any ILB's or any type of depth behing big Jamall Williams who is also old and coming off an injury.


What about Weddle?:coffee: Imagine skinny little Weddle trying to tackle people fulltime this year. They dont have any Safeties. When you break down there defense its built off there 2 pass rushers. If you can block them with Jamaall Williams slowing down as he is you can Adrian Peterson there ass allday. No pressure for the Chargers= no success for there defense. What about Rivers with two bad knees? Gates toe is nowhere near ready. He is already talking about he will not rush back and risk not being effective.



Tomlinson is hitting the RB wall age and suffered his first major injury last year. the right side of there OL is average. McNeil got lit up last year. Lo Neal is now gone. I mean you can break down questions for everyteam in the NFL right now. Except for the G-Men there the champs. But your entitled to feel however you want to feel, You guys are killing me with the Charger fears though. :tsk:

[Lonestar]

Great post.

Could even be an article.

:salute:

go ahead edit it, clean it up a bit, add to it and submit it.. I do not have the time..

JR

[Lonestar]

Sounds like a scouting report you would have written up for a team like the G-Men last off season. :lol: In this NFL its not hard to get on top. Exspecially when you got a great QB. I dont put stock into rotoworld calling a guy who has played 5-6 games a bust. I would not call any rookie a bust untill after 3 years. SD :coffee: Tired of hearing praises about them from Bronco fans. They have holes also and alot of there big time players are hurt or stillt rying to recover from injuries. Along with them not having any ILB's or any type of depth behing big Jamall Williams who is also old and coming off an injury. What about Weddle?:coffee: Imagine skinny little Weddle trying to tackle people fulltime this year. They dont have any Safeties. When you break down there defense its built off there 2 pass rushers. If you can block them with Jamaall Williams slowing down as he is you can Adrian Peterson there ass allday. No pressure for the Chargers= no success for there defense. What about Rivers with two bad knees? Gates toe is nowhere near ready. He is already talking about he will not rush back and risk not being effective. Tomlinson is hitting the RB wall age and suffered his first major injury last year. the right side of there OL is average. McNeil got lit up last year. Lo Neal is now gone. I mean you can break down questions for everyteam in the NFL right now. Except for the G-Men there the champs. But your entitled to feel however you want to feel, You guys are killing me with the Charger fears though. :tsk:


Try using the enter key and make it readable. since I could not comprehend what you said in that huge sentence .. about the only part that I got was the last line and it concerns me.....

SAN outscored us 64-6 last year and and the year before was slightly less invasive..

Till we can close that gap by half I consider them the team to be in the drivers seat..

See is that not a lot easier to read..

[Tned]

Sounds like a scouting report you would have written up for a team like the G-Men last off season. :lol: In this NFL its not hard to get on top. Exspecially when you got a great QB. I dont put stock into rotoworld calling a guy who has played 5-6 games a bust. I would not call any rookie a bust untill after 3 years. SD :coffee: Tired of hearing praises about them from Bronco fans. They have holes also and alot of there big time players are hurt or stillt rying to recover from injuries. Along with them not having any ILB's or any type of depth behing big Jamall Williams who is also old and coming off an injury. What about Weddle?:coffee: Imagine skinny little Weddle trying to tackle people fulltime this year. They dont have any Safeties. When you break down there defense its built off there 2 pass rushers. If you can block them with Jamaall Williams slowing down as he is you can Adrian Peterson there ass allday. No pressure for the Chargers= no success for there defense. What about Rivers with two bad knees? Gates toe is nowhere near ready. He is already talking about he will not rush back and risk not being effective. Tomlinson is hitting the RB wall age and suffered his first major injury last year. the right side of there OL is average. McNeil got lit up last year. Lo Neal is now gone. I mean you can break down questions for everyteam in the NFL right now. Except for the G-Men there the champs. But your entitled to feel however you want to feel, You guys are killing me with the Charger fears though. :tsk:

FWIW, in that radio interview yesterday, Shanahan said the Chargers have the most talent in the NFL, or something to that extent.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

FWIW, in that radio interview yesterday, Shanahan said the Chargers have the most talent in the NFL, or something to that extent.

I know but hes the coach. Ask Anthony Aldridge and the Broncos players how they truly feel about the Chargers. :lol:

None of them likes Rivers or SD. But of course a few might say the right things on mic. But in practice the other day Aldridge led a drill that dissed the Chargers. It was sweet.

[Lonestar]

I know but hes the coach. Ask Anthony Aldridge and the Broncos players how they truly feel about the Chargers. :lol:

None of them likes Rivers or SD. But of course a few might say the right things on mic. But in practice the other day Aldridge led a drill that dissed the Chargers. It was sweet.

but the key here is talent, they have it we are not quite there yet..

they have been having great drafts for years the only thing that held them back was marty.. we just started with decent drafts in 2006 two years ago they are mostly rookies yet..

Although I'm a not BIG fan of Norv.. he kicked our asses last year, TWICE and they poured it on.. and we had nothing to answer with..

Talking crap in practice and performing on the field are TWO HUGE different things..

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

but the key here is talent, they have it we are not quite there yet..

they have been having great drafts for years the only thing that held them back was marty.. we just started with decent drafts in 2006 two years ago they are mostly rookies yet..

Although I'm a not BIG fan of Norv.. he kicked our asses last year, TWICE and they poured it on.. and we had nothing to answer with..

Talking crap in practice and performing on the field are TWO HUGE different things..

Not the point, Its the mind set that im talking about.

[Northman]

but the key here is talent, they have it we are not quite there yet..

they have been having great drafts for years the only thing that held them back was marty.. we just started with decent drafts in 2006 two years ago they are mostly rookies yet..

Although I'm a not BIG fan of Norv.. he kicked our asses last year, TWICE and they poured it on.. and we had nothing to answer with..

Talking crap in practice and performing on the field are TWO HUGE different things..

Not the point, Its the mind set that im talking about.

Mindset is important but it didnt take long for the Chargers to totally dismantle our mindset at home last year. Its pretty easy to see with this team that when it comes to teams like the Chargers and Colts once we get down we start doubting ourselves (us being the team). Whereas when we play the Pats we generally believe we are going to win. But the Broncos the last few years hasnt had the consistent mentality of being a true winner. But i figure once we quit playing charades with all the differnet cordinators and get all the players in place (including guys who have off the field issues) then we will see a turnaround mentally.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Chargers dismantled us because we had to many guys out there just to be there when things startedg oing bad. I loved how we came out vs the Colts though. SHould have won that game.

This year just has a differant feel than in the past to me. The vibe the guys have going on along with the competition thats going on is just great. Great chemistry, Great character and guys who hate the Chargers. What more can i ask for?

[Lonestar]

Mindset is important but it didnt take long for the Chargers to totally dismantle our mindset at home last year. Its pretty easy to see with this team that when it comes to teams like the Chargers and Colts once we get down we start doubting ourselves (us being the team). Whereas when we play the Pats we generally believe we are going to win. But the Broncos the last few years hasnt had the consistent mentality of being a true winner. But i figure once we quite playing charades with all the differnet cordinators and get all the players in place (including guys who have off the field issues) then we will see a turnaround mentally.


That is what I've been talking about four different coordinators over 3 years

almost a complete turnover in players in that time frame..

Remember folks we used to beat up on SAN and they are now repaying the favor.. But they are doing it with a shit pot full of top 50 talent..

Can't say that about DEN.. It took SAN 3-5 years for most of that talent to come of age.. and we are expecting it to happen in 2 years of playing..

Probably not going to happen this year..

[Northman]

Chargers dismantled us because we had to many guys out there just to be there when things startedg oing bad. I loved how we came out vs the Colts though. SHould have won that game.

This year just has a differant feel than in the past to me. The vibe the guys have going on along with the competition thats going on is just great. Great chemistry, Great character and guys who hate the Chargers. What more can i ask for?


Its pretty easy to hate the Chargers right now because of all the Rivers fiasco's that have been going on. And the energy may be up a notch more than usual because of all the young and hungry talent that we have. But with all that hunger comes a lot of inexperience. The reason the Dolts were able to regain their momentum after the slow start last year is because that team has a lot of chemistry of being together for a while. This is why i think its very important for us to keep the players we have and let them grow together and replace only players that are extremely necessary to replace. Consistency is just as important on the field as off of it. But, like you i go into every season hoping we get back on the winning path. Last year was kind of fun with the late game heroics but i think i would like to start watching these games without having a near heart attack all of the time. Like more games like the chiefs where we dominate their asses. :D

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

That is what I've been talking about four different coordinators over 3 years

almost a complete turnover in players in that time frame..

Remember folks we used to beat up on SAN and they are now repaying the favor.. But they are doing it with a shit pot full of top 50 talent..

Can't say that about DEN.. It took SAN 3-5 years for most of that talent to come of age.. and we are expecting it to happen in 2 years of playing..

Probably not going to happen this year..

They only blended young talent with guys who was already there the last few years. Merriman is what really put them over the top, They have had guys in and out also.

However they are a much more confident team when they step on the field mentally than we have been. There a cocky arrogant team who dont help guys up after they tackle them.

I think the only thing that seperated the two teams is the attitude. But there is no real right or wrong answer to this at this point though. Just personal beliefs.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Its pretty easy to hate the Chargers right now because of all the Rivers fiasco's that have been going on. And the energy may be up a notch more than usual because of all the young and hungry talent that we have. But with all that hunger comes a lot of inexperience. The reason the Dolts were able to regain their momentum after the slow start last year is because that team has a lot of chemistry of being together for a while. This is why i think its very important for us to keep the players we have and let them grow together and replace only players that are extremely necessary to replace. Consistency is just as important on the field as off of it. But, like you i go into every season hoping we get back on the winning path. Last year was kind of fun with the late game heroics but i think i would like to start watching these games without having a near heart attack all of the time. Like more games like the chiefs where we dominate their asses. :D

I hear that. :beer: Those close games were only exciting when we won though lol. I didnt watch anything football related for a week after the Bears game.

[Northman]

I hear that. :beer: Those close games were only exciting when we won though lol. I didnt watch anything football related for a week after the Bears game.

That was bad for me too. I was on the road with the wife getting updates on my cellphone. I saw with like 7 minutes left we up by two scores. Next thing i know we were going to overtime and i was cursing "what the hell are you guys doing out there?" My wife didnt know how to react. :lol:

[Lonestar]

That was bad for me too. I was on the road with the wife getting updates on my cellphone. I saw with like 7 minutes left we up by two scores. Next thing i know we were going to overtime and i was cursing "what the hell are you guys doing out there?" My wife didnt know how to react. :lol:

hanging up would have been my wifes response..

[Northman]

hanging up would have been my wifes response..

I dont know, she is a funny gal. She didnt even understand or really like football until she met me. And yet she has gotten attached to Denver and sometimes she yells at the tv more than i do. Oh, and she hates it when i bag on "you know who". She's actually thrown shoes at me for it. :lol:

[Lonestar]

I dont know, she is a funny gal. She didnt even understand or really like football until she met me. And yet she has gotten attached to Denver and sometimes she yells at the tv more than i do. Oh, and she hates it when i bag on "you know who". She's actually thrown shoes at me for it. :lol:


mikey?

[Northman]

mikey?

Yea, we can call him that i guess. :laugh:

[Lonestar]

Yea, we can call him that i guess. :laugh:


you were not talking about someone else when the thread title was mikey lies..


were you?

[LRtagger]

Go paint your basement.


How about the Offensive and Defensive line?

and special teams!!!!

[omac]

I think Shanny's got much bigger plans this season than just making the playoffs .....

He's specifically tried to "over-address" every weakness we've had last season.

1. Depth - Injuries decimated our OL, WR, and RB corps, and to a certain extent, our defense; this season, we have a ton of serviceable WRs and RBs, and it's already showing fruit, because Marshall's suspension already makes our WR acquisitions both in the draft and free agency worthwhile.

Wiegmann's another great move, now that we know Nalen is suspect with his knee. McCree was another excellent move that's already paid off, since Lynch decided to move on. We have good backups for the LB corps, and a lof of depth at CB.

We have pretty good depth.

2. Run Defense - We've switched back to a more traditional Denver defense that has historically been very good at defending the run. We're moving back to 8 in the box, and we've beefed up our LB corps. We should definitely see some improved results.

3. Starting Field Position - Prater looks like he can really boom those kickoffs, and Royal and Aldridge have a lot of big play potential.

I don't think Shanny is looking at just making the playoffs; he's got specific goals. He probably already has a special offensive gameplan for SD, just like he had for the Colts last season (those TE running walls).

Outrageous as it might sound, I think he's planning on winning the AFC West! Saying we'll make the playoffs is downplaying his plans. :cheers:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I think Shanny's got much bigger plans this season than just making the playoffs .....

He's specifically tried to "over-address" every weakness we've had last season.

1. Depth - Injuries decimated our OL, WR, and RB corps, and to a certain extent, our defense; this season, we have a ton of serviceable WRs and RBs, and it's already showing fruit, because Marshall's suspension already makes our WR acquisitions both in the draft and free agency worthwhile.

Wiegmann's another great move, now that we know Nalen is suspect with his knee. McCree was another excellent move that's already paid off, since Lynch decided to move on. We have good backups for the LB corps, and a lof of depth at CB.

We have pretty good depth.

2. Run Defense - We've switched back to a more traditional Denver defense that has historically been very good at defending the run. We're moving back to 8 in the box, and we've beefed up our LB corps. We should definitely see some improved results.

3. Starting Field Position - Prater looks like he can really boom those kickoffs, and Royal and Aldridge have a lot of big play potential.

I don't think Shanny is looking at just making the playoffs; he's got specific goals. He probably already has a special offensive gameplan for SD, just like he had for the Colts last season (those TE running walls).

Outrageous as it might sound, I think he's planning on winning the AFC West! Saying we'll make the playoffs is downplaying his plans. :cheers:


Preach!!! Shanny has to much pride to have a horrible season this year. Blend veteran talent and character with young talent with character and you can do somethng special. Again inspired by the G-Men.

[omac]

Preach!!! Shanny has to much pride to have a horrible season this year. Blend veteran talent and character with young talent with character and you can do somethng special. Again inspired by the G-Men.

I can't agree with you more. That's one thing I forgot to add there ... character/team. The Giants showed a ton of it last season, but the Broncos had some players who were questionable in those aspects. Like an article stated before, it was addition by subtraction.

[Lonestar]

I think Shanny's got much bigger plans this season than just making the playoffs .....

He's specifically tried to "over-address" every weakness we've had last season.

1. Depth - Injuries decimated our OL, WR, and RB corps, and to a certain extent, our defense; this season, we have a ton of serviceable WRs and RBs, and it's already showing fruit, because Marshall's suspension already makes our WR acquisitions both in the draft and free agency worthwhile.

Wiegmann's another great move, now that we know Nalen is suspect with his knee. McCree was another excellent move that's already paid off, since Lynch decided to move on. We have good backups for the LB corps, and a lof of depth at CB.

We have pretty good depth.

2. Run Defense - We've switched back to a more traditional Denver defense that has historically been very good at defending the run. We're moving back to 8 in the box, and we've beefed up our LB corps. We should definitely see some improved results.

3. Starting Field Position - Prater looks like he can really boom those kickoffs, and Royal and Aldridge have a lot of big play potential.

I don't think Shanny is looking at just making the playoffs; he's got specific goals. He probably already has a special offensive gameplan for SD, just like he had for the Colts last season (those TE running walls).

Outrageous as it might sound, I think he's planning on winning the AFC West! Saying we'll make the playoffs is downplaying his plans. :cheers:

I think overall you are correct

but just addressing needs with other not so special players does not upgrade the team..


D Jackson is an up grade over Martinez
rookie clady an up grade over lepsis remains to be seen..
sure we have depth at center but replacing one dinosaur with another might help a bit short term..
do we have better return men than last year with hixon.. just remember someone still has to block for them and are they really better than hixon..


beyond that I'm not so sure.

sorry but all the traing camp hype means nothing till after the third preseason game when we have a real good Idea who the starters are. and how much we really upgraded those positions..

[Tned]

Preach!!! Shanny has to much pride to have a horrible season this year. Blend veteran talent and character with young talent with character and you can do somethng special. Again inspired by the G-Men.

Shanahan has too much pride to go 16 and 16 over a two year period and miss the playoffs two years in a row. Unfortunately, the coaches pride doesn't win games.

Do you honestly believe that he didn't want to win the last two seasons? :confused:


I think overall you are correct

but just addressing needs with other not so special players does not upgrade the team..


D Jackson is an up grade over Martinez
rookie clady an up grade over lepsis remains to be seen..
sure we have depth at center but replacing one dinosaur with another might help a bit short term..
do we have better return men than last year with hixon.. just remember someone still has to block for them and are they really better than hixon..


beyond that I'm not so sure.

sorry but all the traing camp hype means nothing till after the third preseason game when we have a real good Idea who the starters are. and how much we really upgraded those positions..

Unlike some of the fans, Shanahan doesn't care if he has two dinosaurs at center, as long as the combination of the two can give him 16 games an be productive enough to get the job done.

Something his track record in Denver has shown, and this radio interview confirmed, is that Shanahan does not buy into 'youth movements' and making transitions to get younger. He makes FA and other personell decisions based on putting the best team on the field "THIS" year to win "THIS" year.

The fact is that the team is better at virutally every position, with the possible exception of safety (it's still too early to tell if we are better, worse or the same there).

We are better at OL, and to date the reviews on Clady are great, which I know goes against the project label that many put on him.

The QB position is improved. My basis for this is that he no longer is playing with undiagnosed Type 1 diabetes, plus he is in his third year.

RB might be better, worse or the same. Too early to tell.

There is almost NO doubt that the D line will be better. Having Moss healthy, Thomas in his second year, getting Ekuban back from injury, and having Robertson in the middle will make for a much better D line. 2006 Chicago Bears dominant? Probably not, but the D line will be better.

Coaching staff ---- HUGE improvement. Getting rid of Bates and Dinger will prove to be the biggest offseason moves of the year.

I have been saying long before camp started that fans were going to be surprised by the Broncos this year, IF Shanahan gets back involved with the offense.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Shanahan has too much pride to go 16 and 16 over a two year period and miss the playoffs two years in a row. Unfortunately, the coaches pride doesn't win games.

Do you honestly believe that he didn't want to win the last two seasons? :confused:



Unlike some of the fans, Shanahan doesn't care if he has two dinosaurs at center, as long as the combination of the two can give him 16 games an be productive enough to get the job done.

Something his track record in Denver has shown, and this radio interview confirmed, is that Shanahan does not buy into 'youth movements' and making transitions to get younger. He makes FA and other personell decisions based on putting the best team on the field "THIS" year to win "THIS" year.

The fact is that the team is better at virutally every position, with the possible exception of safety (it's still too early to tell if we are better, worse or the same there).

We are better at OL, and to date the reviews on Clady are great, which I know goes against the project label that many put on him.

The QB position is improved. My basis for this is that he no longer is playing with undiagnosed Type 1 diabetes, plus he is in his third year.

RB might be better, worse or the same. Too early to tell.

There is almost NO doubt that the D line will be better. Having Moss healthy, Thomas in his second year, getting Ekuban back from injury, and having Robertson in the middle will make for a much better D line. 2006 Chicago Bears dominant? Probably not, but the D line will be better.

Coaching staff ---- HUGE improvement. Getting rid of Bates and Dinger will prove to be the biggest offseason moves of the year.

I have been saying long before camp started that fans were going to be surprised by the Broncos this year, IF Shanahan gets back involved with the offense.


Yeah he wanted to win but he went about it the WRONG way the last couple years signing guys who would just show up for a paycheck. This team had no chemistry and the environment was not great. Even when we went 13-3 we didnt have all this great character blended with talent.

[Tned]

Yeah he wanted to win but he went about it the WRONG way the last couple years signing guys who would just show up for a paycheck. This team had no chemistry and the environment was not great. Even when we went 13-3 we didnt have all this great character blended with talent.

Ok, but that doesn't support your statement that Shanny has too much pride to have another losing season or whatever it was you said.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Ok, but that doesn't support your statement that Shanny has too much pride to have another losing season or whatever it was you said.

Umm yeah it really does because he went and brung in great guys and drafted rookies who are great guys. Your not going to win with a shitty environment. Bengals have plenty talent on that team but look at them.. The only thing that seperates most NFL teams is the mindset of the team.

Just what i think though.

[Tned]

Umm yeah it really does because he went and brung in great guys and drafted rookies who are great guys. Your not going to win with a shitty environment. Bengals have plenty talent on that team but look at them.. The only thing that seperates most NFL teams is the mindset of the team.

Just what i think though.

So, your saying he didnt care about winning the first two seasons, but now does? :confused:

Coaches 'pride' doesn't win games, players' talent and coaching game plans do.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

So, your saying he didnt care about winning the first two seasons, but now does? :confused:

Coaches 'pride' doesn't win games, players' talent and coaching game plans do.

It all starts with the coach/GM and thats what Shanny is. Everything he does effects this team in a negative or positive way.

So if he drafts players with character issues, and brings in Free Agents with character issues and they set that kind of example for the young players then you have no shot. Nothng i said says " He didnt care"

He seems like he realized the mistakes he made and adressed the question marks.

[Tned]

It all starts with the coach/GM and thats what Shanny is. Everything he does effects this team in a negative or positive way.

So if he drafts players with character issues, and brings in Free Agents with character issues and they set that kind of example for the young players then you have no shot. Nothng i said says " He didnt care"

He seems like he realized the mistakes he made and adressed the question marks.

He may very well view past decisions as mistakes, but it isn't his 'pride' that will cause the Broncos to have a winning season this year.

[BroncoJoe]

What's he supposed to say? It's not like we have a crap team.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

He may very well view past decisions as mistakes, but it isn't his 'pride' that will cause the Broncos to have a winning season this year.

Nevermind you dont get it.

[Lonestar]

What's he supposed to say? It's not like we have a crap team.

He should not be saying something he is not 100% on. IMO all it does is further discredit him on other issues..

Unless he is paying merriman off to dog it all year there is little chance of making the leap from getting your ass kick 64-6 in two games.. To beating the most talented team out of the division. I just do not see. it..

could have said we have a lot of budding talent here and we could surprise alot of folks this year..

simple and left and lot of hope.out there..

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

What's he supposed to say? It's not like we have a crap team.

Yes we do, If i was a Broncos fan and this was the first place i came to discuss football with other alleged Broncos fans i would probably pick another team. :coffee:

[Tned]

Yes we do, If i was a Broncos fan and this was the first place i came to discuss football with other alleged Broncos fans i would probably pick another team. :coffee:

Your free to do so.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Your free to do so.

No im not a fair weather fans like others. Im a true die hard and will remain this way.

[Tned]

No im not a fair weather fans like others. Im a true die hard and will remain this way.

Ok, just making sure you knew that if you were so disgusted with the fans on this message boards there are other Broncos message boards that might not disgust you to the same degree.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Ok, just making sure you knew that if you were so disgusted with the fans on this message boards there are other Broncos message boards that might not disgust you to the same degree.

Nope because its not everybody. Its only a handful of fair weather fans that actually post in the football sections. Others have Bronco sigs but only post in non football sections such as the lounge.

[hamrob]

So, what will your tune be when the Broncos are...say 5-2 or 6-1? Are you the type of fan that will continue seeing the dark side or will you be the type of fan that gets back on the bandwagon?

for the record, I've been a Broncos fan since the early 70's...so who knows maybe you've been a fan for twice as long as me too...if so, you're one of not so many.

Nice post below, however, you've chosen to point out all the potential negatives and are clearly light on the positives.

Let's start with the fact that the defensive scheme is switching back to one in which our players are much more comfortable with. How big of a factor is that?

Cutler hasn't had a winning season since High School...glad you pointed that out. Is that supposed to prevent him from having one this year or indicate that you have very little confidence in his abilities. You were successful in finding a negative...but if that's the only one you can think of...I'm pretty happy.

Dline - As for the Dline...do you really believe that the Dline will not improve from last year? Sure Moss, Crowder and Thomas are question Marks....this is only there 2nd year...but come on...the talent is there and I think it's fair to believe that they will improve year over year. Not to mention the fact that Dumervil should progress, Ekubon is healthy and we've added a guy by the name of D. Rob that seems to be holding his own in camp. The depth looks good and their hungry. We've already mentioned the change in scheme...right?

LB's - Williams was a stud at weakside backer and has become a leader, Bailey has always played the strongside and we have a strong competition going on at MLB. This group has been upgraded as far as talent goes and should improve even further do to the improved D scheme and Dline play.

Safeties - Should be much improved IMO. Hamza is reaching his stride and both Mcree and Manual are upgrades....Barrett and Rogers provide solid young talent. Lynch's leadership might be missed, but this group has the potential to be much improved. I certainly don't see a huge negative here.

CB's - Are you kidding me? Champ, Blye, Foxy, Paymah, JMFW....this group is off the charts. With improved play by the front 7...two if not three of these guys are headed to Hawaii!

Pardon me all to hell...If i don't think this team is looking much improved and just might be a contender.

Now, let's talk Oline:

Center - Nalen, Wiegmann, Lichensteiger. If Nalen can't go...which doesn't seem to be the case Wiegmann fills in nicely. Lichensteiger provides decent depth. Improved from last year.

Guards - Hamilton, Kuper, Holland, Gandy, Alexander, Erickson. Hamilton seems to be fully recovered and meshing well with Clady. Kuper with a club hand is holding his own and Holland depsite his weight is available as is Gandy. Erickson is headed to the practice squad and provide nice depth. Upgrade over last year.

Tackle - Clady, Harris, Pears, Polumbus. Have you heard anything bad on Clady coming out of camp...I'm curious. Thomas turned out pretty well for Cleveland last year...I think we can expect the same from Clady. Harris was having trouble initially, but seems to be improving each practice and is very smart. Pears provides great depth and Polumbus could be a huge steal. Just take a look at his combine numbers compared to Clady's (very similar). He's also looked good in Camp. Upgrade over last year.

RB's - Young, Hall, Torrain, Pittman, Aldridge, Sapp, Hillis. Young is hungry and it shows, Hall is a nice change of pace guy who can take it to the house. Pittman provides a nice option in short yardage. Torrain provides all around talent. Aldrige is a scat back. Sapp has to be improved and Hillis provides a potential future All-Pro. How much negative affect did Travis Henry have on this team last year? All gone. RB's upgrade year over year.

WR's - Marshall, DJack, Colbert, Stokely, Parker, Royal etc. Even if Marshall is suspended for 4-games this group is much deeper than last year. With Cutler taking the next step in his progression and being healthy and these weapons at his disposal...good things will happen. Another upgrade.

TE's - Graham, Scheffler, Jackson, Pierce, Leach. Scheffler and Jackson are working on being healthy and Graham is a stud. This group will be improved if they stay healthy.

In summary:

Every position I look at seems to be improved year over year....whether it be by experience, improved health or added talent or the benefit of a system change. The lone exception is the Kicker...where some kid is kicking 68 yarders around at camp.

Their coach, the teflon don who never makes predictions has gone out on a limb and stated that this team will make the playoffs and will do something when they get there.

Even those idiots from PFT (I hope its o.k. to say that) are saying the Broncos have a chance to take the division.

The Broncos started working on this year the moment the time clicked off against Minnesota. They've been hard at work for 7 months now and have assemble a much improve squad and attitude.

Hopefully, when they start winning...their fans get on the bandwagon sooner than later. I'd hate to be arguing about how good they are when they start off 4-0 and 3-0 in the division.

Even PFT says it's possible...how about you?


From JRWIZ:

Let me say it right now..

I'm a DEN fan been one for probably twice as many years as you've been alive..

Just because I no longer believe they we win the super bowl every year does not me me less of a fan.. Nor do I feel bad about not being on your fan train..

While I hope that all the moons and stars will line up just right and allow us to win it all. I do not believe hat is going to happen this year with all of the inconsistinecy that we have had for the past 3 years..

[lex]

So, what will your tune be when the Broncos are...say 5-2 or 6-1? Are you the type of fan that will continue seeing the dark side or will you be the type of fan that gets back on the bandwagon?

for the record, I've been a Broncos fan since the early 70's...so who knows maybe you've been a fan for twice as long as me too...if so, you're one of not so many.

Nice post below, however, you've chosen to point out all the potential negatives and are clearly light on the positives.

Let's start with the fact that the defensive scheme is switching back to one in which our players are much more comfortable with. How big of a factor is that?

Cutler hasn't had a winning season since High School...glad you pointed that out. Is that supposed to prevent him from having one this year or indicate that you have very little confidence in his abilities. You were successful in finding a negative...but if that's the only one you can think of...I'm pretty happy.

Dline - As for the Dline...do you really believe that the Dline will not improve from last year? Sure Moss, Crowder and Thomas are question Marks....this is only there 2nd year...but come on...the talent is there and I think it's fair to believe that they will improve year over year. Not to mention the fact that Dumervil should progress, Ekubon is healthy and we've added a guy by the name of D. Rob that seems to be holding his own in camp. The depth looks good and their hungry. We've already mentioned the change in scheme...right?

LB's - Williams was a stud at weakside backer and has become a leader, Bailey has always played the strongside and we have a strong competition going on at MLB. This group has been upgraded as far as talent goes and should improve even further do to the improved D scheme and Dline play.

Safeties - Should be much improved IMO. Hamza is reaching his stride and both Mcree and Manual are upgrades....Barrett and Rogers provide solid young talent. Lynch's leadership might be missed, but this group has the potential to be much improved. I certainly don't see a huge negative here.

CB's - Are you kidding me? Champ, Blye, Foxy, Paymah, JMFW....this group is off the charts. With improved play by the front 7...two if not three of these guys are headed to Hawaii!

Pardon me all to hell...If i don't think this team is looking much improved and just might be a contender.

Now, let's talk Oline:

Center - Nalen, Wiegmann, Lichensteiger. If Nalen can't go...which doesn't seem to be the case Wiegmann fills in nicely. Lichensteiger provides decent depth. Improved from last year.

Guards - Hamilton, Kuper, Holland, Gandy, Alexander, Erickson. Hamilton seems to be fully recovered and meshing well with Clady. Kuper with a club hand is holding his own and Holland depsite his weight is available as is Gandy. Erickson is headed to the practice squad and provide nice depth. Upgrade over last year.

Tackle - Clady, Harris, Pears, Polumbus. Have you heard anything bad on Clady coming out of camp...I'm curious. Thomas turned out pretty well for Cleveland last year...I think we can expect the same from Clady. Harris was having trouble initially, but seems to be improving each practice and is very smart. Pears provides great depth and Polumbus could be a huge steal. Just take a look at his combine numbers compared to Clady's (very similar). He's also looked good in Camp. Upgrade over last year.

RB's - Young, Hall, Torrain, Pittman, Aldridge, Sapp, Hillis. Young is hungry and it shows, Hall is a nice change of pace guy who can take it to the house. Pittman provides a nice option in short yardage. Torrain provides all around talent. Aldrige is a scat back. Sapp has to be improved and Hillis provides a potential future All-Pro. How much negative affect did Travis Henry have on this team last year? All gone. RB's upgrade year over year.

WR's - Marshall, DJack, Colbert, Stokely, Parker, Royal etc. Even if Marshall is suspended for 4-games this group is much deeper than last year. With Cutler taking the next step in his progression and being healthy and these weapons at his disposal...good things will happen. Another upgrade.

TE's - Graham, Scheffler, Jackson, Pierce, Leach. Scheffler and Jackson are working on being healthy and Graham is a stud. This group will be improved if they stay healthy.

In summary:

Every position I look at seems to be improved year over year....whether it be by experience, improved health or added talent or the benefit of a system change. The lone exception is the Kicker...where some kid is kicking 68 yarders around at camp.

Their coach, the teflon don who never makes predictions has gone out on a limb and stated that this team will make the playoffs and will do something when they get there.

Even those idiots from PFT (I hope its o.k. to say that) are saying the Broncos have a chance to take the division.

The Broncos started working on this year the moment the time clicked off against Minnesota. They've been hard at work for 7 months now and have assemble a much improve squad and attitude.

Hopefully, when they start winning...their fans get on the bandwagon sooner than later. I'd hate to be arguing about how good they are when they start off 4-0 and 3-0 in the division.

Even PFT says it's possible...how about you?


From JRWIZ:

Let me say it right now..

I'm a DEN fan been one for probably twice as many years as you've been alive..

Just because I no longer believe they we win the super bowl every year does not me me less of a fan.. Nor do I feel bad about not being on your fan train..

While I hope that all the moons and stars will line up just right and allow us to win it all. I do not believe hat is going to happen this year with all of the inconsistinecy that we have had for the past 3 years..

Being more of a pessimist isnt bandwagon. Changing allegiances is bandwagon. The pessimists want to win as badly as the next guy but they worry more.

[Nomad]

Ok, just making sure you knew that if you were so disgusted with the fans on this message boards there are other Broncos message boards that might not disgust you to the same degree.

He/she should go to BM on a losing night!:lol:

[omac]

I like it that this board has ridiculously optimistic fans (like me), seriously pessimistic fans, and everyone in between. If we all thought alike, every thread would only be a page long. :D

That being said ... Broncos to the Superbowl! :beer:

[tomjonesrocks]

Have to agree with the pessimists. Hope Shanny's right--but don't see it. As some have mentioned, barring Tomlinson blowing his knee or something, the Chargers are as close to a cinch to win the West as you can get in the NFL. They're better at nearly every position on both sides of the ball then we are. That means the Broncos have to win the wild card--which looking at the other teams in the AFC--is a longshot at best.

The NFL offers surprises from year to year--and hope I'm wrong--but the odds are the Broncos will miss the playoffs this year. It sucks but it's true. I like the confidence and positivity (especially since with the NFL Ticket ordered I'll be seeing every Denver snap this year), but some unforseen things will have to happen for this to transpire. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely.

[Lonestar]

hamrob you make some valid points we have upgraded lot of spots but th youth factor alone is worth losing 2-3 games with inconsistent play and we always drop a gimme just at the wrong time

Being optimistic in TC how can you not be.
If I remember correctly about this time last year everyone was talking Superbowl.. the we got our asses handed to us by Dallas and I think even HOU.. but maybe that was regular season

All we could hear was the the Dallas coaches and players cheated because we were not supposed to Blitz.

TC we are playing our own team and the hiting is not that hard. we know the defensive calls and the offensive calls how hard it it not to look good.

Sorry but at this time I do not see anything that leads me past 7-9 season next year..

Call back after week 3 in preseason then I'll nail it down a little closer..

[broncophan]

You're an ***edit**! Tell you what...why don't you give us all a shout back in 2010, 2011. See ya!

Don't bother watching us this year when we're in the playoffs.

I'll be here in 2010.....but if you keep posting insults like that......chances are....you won't be around to hear me "shout".....:rolleyes:

[broncophan]

hamrob you make some valid points we have upgraded lot of spots but th youth factor alone is worth losing 2-3 games with inconsistent play and we always drop a gimme just at the wrong time

Being optimistic in TC how can you not be.
If I remember correctly about this time last year everyone was talking Superbowl.. the we got our asses handed to us by Dallas and I think even HOU.. but maybe that was regular season

All we could hear was the the Dallas coaches and players cheated because we were not supposed to Blitz.

TC we are playing our own team and the hiting is not that hard. we know the defensive calls and the offensive calls how hard it it not to look good.

Sorry but at this time I do not see anything that leads me past 7-9 season next year..

Call back after week 3 in preseason then I'll nail it down a little closer..

Yep.......you can't "fix" a defense that gives up forty some points to Detroit....and forty some points to SD.....in one off season.....

Too many issues...

[Tned]

Yep.......you can't "fix" a defense that gives up forty some points to Detroit....and forty some points to SD.....in one off season.....

Too many issues...

Maybe, maybe not. If a lot of the problem was scheme, with a few personell holes, then a few moves, along with young players getting experience and then a whole offseason plus training camp of focusing on a 'different' scheme can make a big turn around in the defense.

Will the Broncos be a world class defense this year? Probably not, but they certainly could turn things around and be a top 10-15 defense.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Yep.......you can't "fix" a defense that gives up forty some points to Detroit....and forty some points to SD.....in one off season.....

Too many issues...

Dude teams just have horrible days man. Detroit actually has an high powered offense and so did the Dolts. Combine that with a bunch of guys who were just out there for the check and you will give up 40 everytime.

However i did love the effort they played with in the last game shutting AD down.

The guy who RIPPED SD hearts out. SD was "known" to have a dominant defense correct?

Just saying anybody can be pounded on any given sunday. Few tweaks here and there and we should be back on top.

Plus you have to factor in the Chargers having so many injuries and so little depth at key positions this year. There flawed also.

AFC west is wide open for two teams to win it again. All homerism aside i think were winning it this year. Come on jump on the success train man. :D

[MOtorboat]

Dude teams just have horrible days man. Detroit actually has an high powered offense and so did the Dolts. Combine that with a bunch of guys who were just out there for the check and you will give up 40 everytime.

However i did love the effort they played with in the last game shutting AD down.

The guy who RIPPED SD hearts out. SD was "known" to have a dominant defense correct?

Just saying anybody can be pounded on any given sunday. Few tweaks here and there and we should be back on top.

Plus you have to factor in the Chargers having so many injuries and so little depth at key positions this year. There flawed also.

AFC west is wide open for two teams to win it again. All homerism aside i think were winning it this year. Come on jump on the success train man. :D

Good teams don't have 3 horrible days in one year.

With that said, it is a new year. But, the Chargers are clearly the best team in the division. I honestly cannot say Denver is a better team.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Good teams don't have 3 horrible days in one year.

With that said, it is a new year. But, the Chargers are clearly the best team in the division. I honestly cannot say Denver is a better team.

You sure wont rain on my parade talking like that. Your entitled to your opinion.

Me personally im not giving them credit for nothing they did last year. If people are going to point out the negatives about there own team then ill continue pointing out the negatives about the Chargers.

It is my duty to point out Adrian Peterson breaking records on there defense last year. with a QB who could not throw worth anything.

:lol: And the Chargers had 8 men in the box with 2 corners sitting on everything and they still could not stop that attack. That my friend is a flawed defense too.

[MOtorboat]

You sure wont rain on my parade talking like that. Your entitled to your opinion.

Me personally im not giving them credit for nothing they did last year. If people are going to point out the negatives about there own team then ill continue pointing out the negatives about the Chargers.

It is my duty to point out Adrian Peterson breaking records on there defense last year. with a QB who could not throw worth anything.

:lol: And the Chargers had 8 men in the box with 2 corners sitting on everything and they still could not stop that attack. That my friend is a flawed defense too.

Everyone has a bad day...

If you want to play the "if it wasn't for that game" argument, we can do that with the Chargers too...

They allowed less than 90 yards per game on the ground, just three 100 yard rushers and seven touchdowns...if the Minnesota game hadn't happened.

I think their ability to stop the ground game is just fine.

[Mike]

:lol: And the Chargers had 8 men in the box with 2 corners sitting on everything and they still could not stop that attack. That my friend is a flawed defense too.

A flawed defense that Denver only managed to score 6 points on in two games last year. :rolleyes:

[hamrob]

I'll be here in 2010.....but if you keep posting insults like that......chances are....you won't be around to hear me "shout".....:rolleyes:Sorry about that. Poor choice of words.

[hamrob]

It will be interesting to see where the pendulum swings after we go 2-0...beating the Raiders and the Bolts. Will there still be such pestimists out there?

I can remember having teams with alot less talent then we do now and the predictions were for Superbowls. The main ingredient was good ol' #7.

I've listed many of the positive changes this team has made, but first and foremost, I think we have a "Great" young QB who is ready to take that next step. As for what the national media think...who cares...they never thought much of Elway until he finally won a Superbowl, despite getting 3 teams there with less talent than what the 2008 Broncos have.

Cutler is healthy this year, he's driven, the reports out of camp support his improvement and his Coach is predicting the Playoffs and beyond.

Naysay all you want, that's your perogative. But you're wrong!

[Lonestar]

Everyone has a bad day...

If you want to play the "if it wasn't for that game" argument, we can do that with the Chargers too...

They allowed less than 90 yards per game on the ground, just three 100 yard rushers and seven touchdowns...if the Minnesota game hadn't happened.

I think their ability to stop the ground game is just fine.

especially against DEN their 3-4 defense is something that has always given our OLINE fits..


A flawed defense that Denver only managed to score 6 points on in two games last year. :rolleyes:

with the exception of losing mcree I do not see any major changes in that DEFENSE.. the one YOU aptly described as allowing us only 6 points in TWO games last year.. While scoring 64 against us..

Sure we seem to have plugged a few holes or weak spots but with what talent level that rivals the SAN DEFENSE, I think not.. we should climb out of the bottom few on defense. But to get to top 10, not happening UNLESS L, Gates and rivers are hobbled with injuries in both games.. And that is just on SAN TWICE we also have several other teams NE, Carolina, Buffalo, are gonna have fun with them..

[Lonestar]

It will be interesting to see where the pendulum swings after we go 2-0...beating the Raiders and the Bolts. Will there still be such pestimists out there?

I can remember having teams with alot less talent then we do now and the predictions were for Superbowls. The main ingredient was good ol' #7.

I've listed many of the positive changes this team has made, but first and foremost, I think we have a "Great" young QB who is ready to take that next step. As for what the national media think...who cares...they never thought much of Elway until he finally won a Superbowl, despite getting 3 teams there with less talent than what the 2008 Broncos have.

Cutler is healthy this year, he's driven, the reports out of camp support his improvement and his Coach is predicting the Playoffs and beyond.

Naysay all you want, that's your perogative. But you're wrong!

Remember that for many of those years John played here the AFC was the doormat side of the NFL

We changed that for all time in our first SUPERBOWL win, the AFC has become the dominant conference. If perhaps we were in the NFC west we could indeed compete for the division and see the playoffs....

But Realistically we are in the AFCW with SAN having a ton of talent and what appears to be pretty good coach in NORV. Plus in the conference we have JAX, CLE, CIN, BUF, PIT, NE, HOU, IND and TEN. All of which have strong teams all (but CIN and BUF who were tied with us) of which drafted after us this past year .. Only six of them will go then again BAL could have a great year again also..

Sorry I do not have yours nor mikeys optimism just yet..

[hamrob]

Remember that for many of those years John played here the AFC was the doormat side of the NFL

We changed that for all time in our first SUPERBOWL win, the AFC has become the dominant conference. If perhaps we were in the NFC west we could indeed compete for the division and see the playoffs....

But Realistically we are in the AFCW with SAN having a ton of talent and what appears to be pretty good coach in NORV. Plus in the conference we have JAX, CLE, CIN, BUF, PIT, NE, HOU, IND, CAR and TEN. All of which have strong teams all (but CIN and BUF who were tied with us) of which drafted after us this past year .. Only six of them will go then again BAL could have a great year again also..

Sorry I do not have yours nor mikeys optimism just yet..Who is "CAR"...Carolina? If so, they're in the NFC. Yes, the AFC is the dominent conference and yes the Broncos were the team to end the NFC's dominence. I'm not sure of what that has to do with the fact that Elway never got the credit he was do until we beat Green-bay or the fact that he took teams with less talent to the Superbowl. I assume you believe he had an easier path at that time then we do today. I disagree.

Looking at the teams in the AFC. I think NE, Indy & San Diego are the front runners followed by Jax and Pitt. I think it's very reasonable to say that we fit in there with the Cinci, Cleveland, Buffalo & Tenn teams. So, a quick analysis of the AFC poses this question for Broncos fans. Can the Broncos compete with the Jags & Steelers and other similarly talented teams? Didn't we beat Pitt last year...as well as Tenn & Buffalo? If I remember correctly we lost to the Jags by 7pts. Truth is, despite our 7-9 record and a few lopsided losses...we were in the thick of things last season.

Why would anyone think that we won't be this year?

[MOtorboat]

Truth is, despite our 7-9 record and a few lopsided losses...we were in the thick of things last season.

Um, yeah...NO.

Sure, we were in the thick of things in Week 11, but then we went 1-5 to pretty much piss everything down our legs.

Good teams don't do that.

Can this team be a 10-win team (which is what is going to take to get into the playoffs, if not 11 wins)? Yes...

I just don't see it right now. I'm glad Shanahan does, but there are way too many questions on this team. We have possibly three new starters on the offensive line, a new starting tailback, our No. 1 receiver won't start the season, and after him we'll have most likely two new starting receivers. Two new starting defensive tackles, one new starting defensive end, a new middle linebacker, two new starting safeties...There are maybe three positions that we know what we're going to get...quarterback, cornerback and the outside linebacker positions (OK....and Center...)...That's just a lot of question marks heading into a season.

[claymore]

The good thing is it is the NFL. Any team can change over the course of a year. Hopefull Clady wins Rookie of the year, and Our Defense does a 180 from last year. If our Defense does allot better, we will be a 10 win team minimum.

[Lonestar]

Who is "CAR"...Carolina? If so, they're in the NFC. Yes, the AFC is the dominent conference and yes the Broncos were the team to end the NFC's dominence. I'm not sure of what that has to do with the fact that Elway never got the credit he was do until we beat Green-bay or the fact that he took teams with less talent to the Superbowl. I assume you believe he had an easier path at that time then we do today. I disagree.

Looking at the teams in the AFC. I think NE, Indy & San Diego are the front runners followed by Jax and Pitt. I think it's very reasonable to say that we fit in there with the Cinci, Cleveland, Buffalo & Tenn teams. So, a quick analysis of the AFC poses this question for Broncos fans. Can the Broncos compete with the Jags & Steelers and other similarly talented teams? Didn't we beat Pitt last year...as well as Tenn & Buffalo? If I remember correctly we lost to the Jags by 7pts. Truth is, despite our 7-9 record and a few -7 lopsided losses...we were in the thick of things last season.

Why would anyone think that we won't be this year?

meant Jaguars as the panther and their mascot confuses me from time to time will edit that out as it was in error. :salute:

I do not see us having more than a 7-9 team as we speak maybe 9-7 if we get some breaks. Losing marshal for at least two weeks will not help us although I already counted those two games as losses..

But the drama that is going to swirl around the team because of it will not help matters at all either..

IMO 9-7 will not be in the play off hunt in the AFC.. and we certainly will not beat SAN for the division.. Unless they lose a third of their starters to injury..

that still leaves 89 or nine teams above us in wins with the possibility of NYJ and BAL also having the same improvements and maybe tied with us in W_L then it comes down to tie breakers..

Please be opitmistic all you want I do not see it AS WE SPEAK..

[Northman]

Everyone has a bad day...

If you want to play the "if it wasn't for that game" argument, we can do that with the Chargers too...

They allowed less than 90 yards per game on the ground, just three 100 yard rushers and seven touchdowns...if the Minnesota game hadn't happened.

I think their ability to stop the ground game is just fine.

All i know is (like our 05 team) you dont make the AFC Championship game with a crappy defense let alone knock out one of the most prolific passing teams in the process of getting there.

[Northman]

Um, yeah...NO.

Sure, we were in the thick of things in Week 11, but then we went 1-5 to pretty much piss everything down our legs.

Good teams don't do that.

Can this team be a 10-win team (which is what is going to take to get into the playoffs, if not 11 wins)? Yes...

I just don't see it right now. I'm glad Shanahan does, but there are way too many questions on this team. We have possibly three new starters on the offensive line, a new starting tailback, our No. 1 receiver won't start the season, and after him we'll have most likely two new starting receivers. Two new starting defensive tackles, one new starting defensive end, a new middle linebacker, two new starting safeties...There are maybe three positions that we know what we're going to get...quarterback, cornerback and the outside linebacker positions (OK....and Center...)...That's just a lot of question marks heading into a season.

Any glimpse of hope went out the door and into the parking lot with Devin Hester not once, not twice, but 3 times.

[Lonestar]

Any glimpse of hope went out the door and into the parking lot with Devin Hester not once, not twice, but 3 times.


deflation express after that.. ..

Everyone seems to not remember that although we won 7, 4 of those were by the slimmest of margins, by kicking last second FG's and of the other 3 we did win none were real domination over a good teams..

so while we won 7 can we really think we are that much better to win 3 more on top of 4 weak sister wins we have last year?

[hamrob]

deflation express after that.. ..

Everyone seems to not remember that although we won 7, 4 of those were by the slimmest of margins, by kicking last second FG's and of the other 3 we did win none were real domination over a good teams..

so while we won 7 can we really think we are that much better to win 3 more on top of 4 weak sister wins we have last year?And equal to those four games we came out on top in...there were 3-4 others we should have won for sure. So, we also could have finished 10-6 or 11-5. I think Chicago and Greenbay are 2 games that most rationale fans would say we should have won.

Again, nice points...if you're a Raiders, Chiefs or Chargers fan!

[omac]

I kind of agree with hamrob that if you're going to mention the games we squeaked by as weak wins, then you've got to say the games we were close as strong losses. Just as easily as we could've lost the games we won, we could've also won the games we lost.

I, myself, don't believe in games we should've won or lost. A win is a win, and everything else is part of the regular stuff that happens in all games.

That being said, as many holes as the team had last season with the injuries, poor defensive scheme, and all the inexperienced players, we were pretty competitive in most games. We are a better team now, with a weaker schedule even, so a better showing is more than likely possible.

[Lonestar]

And equal to those four games we came out on top in...there were 3-4 others we should have won for sure. So, we also could have finished 10-6 or 11-5. I think Chicago and Greenbay are 2 games that most rationale fans would say we should have won.

Again, nice points...if you're a Raiders, Chiefs or Chargers fan!

Believe or hope what you will..

I look at the history and facts and make my assessments

Have been pretty much on the money the past 3-4 years..

As I said before I'll make my final W_L after the 3 preseason game.. After I've had a chance to see the starters play more than a series or two..

Right now everyone is excited about how great they look in half assed Training camp, players just going through the motions getting the moves down.. No one is playing real football out there either side..of the LOS..

The only thing we know for sure right now they seem to have the basic playbook down..

We know a few are fast and prater can kick the ball, past that it is all conjecture..

[Tned]

Believe or hope what you will..

I look at the history and facts and make my assessments

Have been pretty much on the money the past 3-4 years..

As I said before I'll make my final W_L after the 3 preseason game.. After I've had a chance to see the starters play more than a series or two..

Right now everyone is excited about how great they look in half assed Training camp, players just going through the motions getting the moves down.. No one is playing real football out there either side..of the LOS..

The only thing we know for sure right now they seem to have the basic playbook down..

We know a few are fast and prater can kick the ball, past that it is all conjecture..

We know Bates and Dinger are gone, the primary causes of the problems the last two years.

[Lonestar]

We know Bates and Dinger are gone, the primary causes of the problems the last two years.

primary causes of our problems are more than that.. look at the youth on this team tha lcak of playing time and more impoeratntly playing time together.. ADD to that now lack of wise old leadership..

All this does is add another level of inconsistency that almost always means losses where we least expect them...

This team has a lot of things to prove not sure they can do it and beat SAN out of the Top spot nor beat the other contenders out for wild card..

[lex]

Anyone have a little more enthusiasm about Moss/Crowder/Thomas after this interview. Shanahan straight up said, theyre the real deal.

[MOtorboat]

Anyone have a little more enthusiasm about Moss/Crowder/Thomas after this interview. Shanahan straight up said, theyre the real deal.

Well...Shanahan has said a lot of players are the "real deal" who weren't. I have faith in Shanahan, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Tned]

primary causes of our problems are more than that.. look at the youth on this team tha lcak of playing time and more impoeratntly playing time together.. ADD to that now lack of wise old leadership..

All this does is add another level of inconsistency that almost always means losses where we least expect them...

This team has a lot of things to prove not sure they can do it and beat SAN out of the Top spot nor beat the other contenders out for wild card..

The failures the last two years on offense were primarily Dinger. Granted, injuries and Cutler's diabetes didn't help, but primarily it was calling plays our personnel couldn't handle.

Same on defense last year. Bates had the line backer WAY behind the line, and of course no safety for additional support. So, when our line didn't hold up, instead of an LB making a tackle right behind the LOS, they got 3-5 yards, or even had enough room to make a move and get into the secondary.

And, it wasn't just play calling. Warren would have eaten up space in the middle to help with the run, as he did the year before, but he was let go because he didn't fit the 'bates' system.

The Broncos are only a moderately young team. It isn't like they are starting a bunch of rookies. Except for LT, and maybe RB (long shot if Torrain starts), they are playing veterans or 2nd/3rd year players pretty much everyplace except LT.

This team should have the right blend of young/veteran players that if the coaches call plays the 'talent' is capable of executing, they should do fine. Does that mean I think they are an elite team? No, they have a long way to go before putting them in that category. However, when you look at the schedule before us, 10-12 wins should be easily achievable. SD and NE are the only sure-thing challenges, with NO, JAX and a couple others unknowns, but likely going to be tough games.

The rest are either expected to be horrible (ATL, KC, MIA) or are in the same boat as the Broncos, a team that has been hovering around .500 for a couple years.

I know you are a pessimist and I am an optimist, and the reality likely falls somewhere between your POV and mine, but I certainly don't see the doomsday outlook that you see.

[lex]

Well...Shanahan has said a lot of players are the "real deal" who weren't. I have faith in Shanahan, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Im in the front of the line of people who realize this. But the personnel has been a little better since Goodmans had more influence, whereas the past youre referring to has had a lot of guys who were taken under Sundquists reign. Ill give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Hopefully, they pull through.

[Tned]

Anyone have a little more enthusiasm about Moss/Crowder/Thomas after this interview. Shanahan straight up said, theyre the real deal.

I like what I saw from Crowder last year, I am hoping Moss and Thomas turn into play makers.

Of all the players he talked about, I am most excited about Royal. I hope he is right and that he can make a run at a starting spot. Marshall (after suspension) needs someone opposite him, with Stokely remaining in the slot where he seems best suited.

[lex]

The failures the last two years on offense were primarily Dinger. Granted, injuries and Cutler's diabetes didn't help, but primarily it was calling plays our personnel couldn't handle.

Same on defense last year. Bates had the line backer WAY behind the line, and of course no safety for additional support. So, when our line didn't hold up, instead of an LB making a tackle right behind the LOS, they got 3-5 yards, or even had enough room to make a move and get into the secondary.

And, it wasn't just play calling. Warren would have eaten up space in the middle to help with the run, as he did the year before, but he was let go because he didn't fit the 'bates' system.

The Broncos are only a moderately young team. It isn't like they are starting a bunch of rookies. Except for LT, and maybe RB (long shot if Torrain starts), they are playing veterans or 2nd/3rd year players pretty much everyplace except LT.

This team should have the right blend of young/veteran players that if the coaches call plays the 'talent' is capable of executing, they should do fine. Does that mean I think they are an elite team? No, they have a long way to go before putting them in that category. However, when you look at the schedule before us, 10-12 wins should be easily achievable. SD and NE are the only sure-thing challenges, with NO, JAX and a couple others unknowns, but likely going to be tough games.

The rest are either expected to be horrible (ATL, KC, MIA) or are in the same boat as the Broncos, a team that has been hovering around .500 for a couple years.

I know you are a pessimist and I am an optimist, and the reality likely falls somewhere between your POV and mine, but I certainly don't see the doomsday outlook that you see.

I know it wasnt popular but I would classify Bates as a failure as much as it was Shanahans impatience. We basically were trying to remake and redefine our defense and its not at all unusual to experience growing pains when going through this. But Ill go with what youre saying on Heimerdinger, even if it was more Shanahan than Heimerdinger. Because if thats the case then why do we need Heimerdinger?

[MOtorboat]

Im in the front of the line of people who realize this. But the personnel has been a little better since Goodmans had more influence, whereas the past youre referring to has had a lot of guys who were taken under Sundquists reign. Ill give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Hopefully, they pull through.

The Goodmans still haven't produced anything other than potential.

[OMorange&blue]

****** torain. he sux...

[Tned]

I know it wasnt popular but I would classify Bates as a failure as much as it was Shanahans impatience. We basically were trying to remake and redefine our defense and its not at all unusual to experience growing pains when going through this. But Ill go with what youre saying on Heimerdinger, even if it was more Shanahan than Heimerdinger. Because if thats the case then why do we need Heimerdinger?

We will never know. Can't blame an owner or head coach that becomes impatient when your team is on the way to setting an NFL record for rushing yards yielded.

Bates, like Dinger, simply didn't know how to adapt their schemes for the players on the field. Even if transitions on O and D needed to be made, these coaches should have transitioned, not just cut to new systems where the only possible result was failure, because they players in uniform weren't capable of executing their schemes.

[tubby]

****** torain. he sux...

You sir can considered yourself reported for trolling.

[lex]

The Goodmans still haven't produced anything other than potential.

Quite honestly, many of his picks have already shown more than Sundquists ever did. Consider where Marshall and Dumervil were taken. And I wouldnt exactly call Cutler a scrub either. Were all focused on Cutlers potential but his output wasnt actually that bad, which is to say that there has been production to go with potential where Cutler is concerned. And you can throw Kuper in there as well. He was a low round pick who has stepped up. Under Sundquist, how many 1st round picks were wasted on WR? Goodman gets one crack at it (many assume Goodman started having Shanahans ear in for the 2006 draft) and comes up with Brandon Marshall...and now Royal looks like he's one his way. Royal is potential but Marshall has easily outplayed where he was drafted already.

[MOtorboat]

You sir can considered yourself reported for trolling.

Come on Tubs...we all know what a horrible pick it was...

[tubby]

Come on Tubs...we all know what a horrible pick it was...

News to me.

Mike Anderson v 2.0

[lex]

Im in the front of the line of people who realize this. But the personnel has been a little better since Goodmans had more influence, whereas the past youre referring to has had a lot of guys who were taken under Sundquists reign. Ill give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Hopefully, they pull through.


****** torain. he sux...


Come on Tubs...we all know what a horrible pick it was...

Guys, notice how I avoided using absolute terms. I realize this is easily overlooked by guys like you. Nice try.

[hamrob]

Believe or hope what you will..

I look at the history and facts and make my assessments

Have been pretty much on the money the past 3-4 years..

As I said before I'll make my final W_L after the 3 preseason game.. After I've had a chance to see the starters play more than a series or two..

Right now everyone is excited about how great they look in half assed Training camp, players just going through the motions getting the moves down.. No one is playing real football out there either side..of the LOS..

The only thing we know for sure right now they seem to have the basic playbook down..

We know a few are fast and prater can kick the ball, past that it is all conjecture..

I think it's smart to wait until the preseason plays out to make a full statement about your predictions. That being said...I think it's probably just as wise to wait until a few preseason games have been played before you start making predictions about a losing season.

As for being pretty much on the money the last 3-4 years...If fans for 32 of the 32 NFL teams say that their team won't go to the Superbowl this year...I'd say their pretty much on the money as well. It's easy to say that a team is going to suck...because when they don't suck...you can always jump on the bandwagon and fade into the crowd. It's another story to beleive in your team. Same scenario as above. I can't remember ever thinking that the Broncos would have a losing season...and for the past 30 years...I'd say, I've been pretty much on the money as well!

[blueblood15]

yep there are 3 things i am specifically looking out for in preseason.

OL,DL, RB.

well four- DJAX Andr ROYAL.

I have thought all along we are 10-6 and 11-5 with my glasses on. I know 10-6 is a possibility. LAst year our crappy team and defense gave up a couple easy ones to the bears and packers and raiders. that right there would have been 10-6.

So with a newer team, more talneted especially at WR, a healthy OLIne as 3/5ths of our oline was IR, and our old ways on defense for stopping the run (besides last year we have always been like a top 10) there is zero doubt in my mind that 10-6 wont happen.

But because we are still young and fresh i think 11-5 might be our max, but that still is playoffs. And once playoffs start anything can happen!

I hope so, however, just having a return threat would be awesome. I have been watchin the broncos since i was 6 (im 22 now) and i cant think of one person that made me believe we would have good field position no matter what. . . . . Maybe Darrien Gordon for like 2 yrs? But other than that I cant think of any...