John Lynch Missing From Camp

[Broncos Mtnman]

It appears that John isn't too happy about how things are developing at camp so far. Could the writing be on the wall for Mr. Lynch?
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Lynch A No-Show At Team Meeting, Camp (http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/john.lynch.broncos.2.783889.html)

Broncos safety John Lynch wasn't at training camp on Wednesday.

When asked about his absence, coach Mike Shanahan said the Pro Bowl safety is taking care of personal business.

A source told CBS4 Broncos Insider Gary Miller that Lynch was also not at the team meeting on Tuesday night.

Lynch is not happy over his lack of practice time as he competes for a starting safety position.

Lynch so far hasn't returned CBS4's calls to inquire about his absence.

[Retired_Member_001]

It wouldn't half suprise me if John Lynch retired/asked to be traded/ asked to be released. Why would he want to risk his already battered body for a team that could end up sucking badly (not to sound negatve. Things could go well after all).

[NightTrainLayne]

This doesn't really sound like Lynch to me.

I hope everything's alright with his family etc.

Lynch isn't one to give up after 5 days of camp.

[BroncoJoe]

This doesn't really sound like Lynch to me.

I hope everything's alright with his family etc.

Lynch isn't one to give up after 5 days of camp.

I agree. Sometimes things come up, and Lynch isn't a rookie still trying to figure things out.

We'll see.

[Retired_Member_001]

This doesn't really sound like Lynch to me.

I hope everything's alright with his family etc.

Lynch isn't one to give up after 5 days of camp.

Yeah. I hope it's more that he is unhappy with the way things are going than a family problem.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Ill have a report for you all tonight hopefully. But Lynch was already warned that he would have to fight/ job be limited this year. Plus he has been getting blown by everytime he is one on one with somebody in practice. I have been saying this all off season that Lynch is DONE. It does not matter how smart you are. Like you know better than to get stuck standing in traffic and your brain is telling you to move but if your legs are broke where are you going?? Regardless of how smart Lynch is on the field his body cant react and move around how it used too. Camp is showing this.

[Retired_Member_001]

Ill have a report for you all tonight hopefully. But Lynch was already warned that he would have to fight/ job be limited this year. Plus he has been getting blown by everytime he is one on one with somebody in practice. I have been saying this all off season that Lynch is DONE. It does not matter how smart you are. Like you know better than to get stuck standing in traffic and your brain is telling you to move but if your legs are broke where are you going?? Regardless of how smart Lynch is on the field his body cant react and move around how it used too. Camp is showing this.

Exactly.

He should retire now whilst his body is still in good condition.

[BeefStew25]

My sources will have something for me also.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Exactly.

He should retire now whilst his body is still in good condition.

Yup better to retire healthy than to retire and not be able to walk around and live a normal life. Because hes only old in football terms. Not life.

[BroncoWave]

I say we trade him for whatever we can get for him.

[BeefStew25]

I say we trade him for whatever we can get for him.

My sources will have something on that also. Standby.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I say we trade him for whatever we can get for him.

Yeah we can trade him for a future undrafted Rookie free agent......:lol: Nobody is going to trade anything for a player they know we will cut or will retire.

[BroncoWave]

Yeah we can trade him for a future undrafted Rookie free agent......:lol: Nobody is going to trade anything for a player they know we will cut or will retire.

We might as well try to shop him. Maybe someone will give us a 6th or 7th.

[BroncoJoe]

Lynch will retire before he gets traded.

IMO.

[GEM]

A bit off topic here, but still in regards to Lynch.

Say he goes to the HOF....does he go as a Buc or a Bronco? Yea his best years were in Tampa, but they discarded him like yesterdays news while the Broncos took a chance on him.

[Retired_Member_001]

We might as well try to shop him. Maybe someone will give us a 6th or 7th.

A 6th for a player who will only be a rotational player AT BEST. A player who is likely to retire after the season?

I don't think so.

He will most likely be cut if we want to get rid of him.

[BeefStew25]

A bit off topic here, but still in regards to Lynch.

Say he goes to the HOF....does he go as a Buc or a Bronco? Yea his best years were in Tampa, but they discarded him like yesterdays news while the Broncos took a chance on him.

Depends on what your sources say. Let us know when you hear from them.

[BroncoJoe]

A bit off topic here, but still in regards to Lynch.

Say he goes to the HOF....does he go as a Buc or a Bronco? Yea his best years were in Tampa, but they discarded him like yesterdays news while the Broncos took a chance on him.

Great question. He won a SB in Tampa though.

[GEM]

Depends on what your sources say. Let us know when you hear from them.

Bief don't start with me or so help me God....

:D

[BroncoJoe]

A 6th for a player who will only be a rotational player AT BEST. A player who is likely to retire after the season?

I don't think so.

He will most likely be cut if we want to get rid of him.

Shanahan WILL NOT CUT Lynch. He'll let him know what's going on and let him retire.

[Retired_Member_001]

Great question. He won a SB in Tampa though.

Exactly. Won a Super Bowl in Tampa and had his best years in Tampa = Goes down as a Buc.

[Retired_Member_001]

Shanahan WILL NOT CUT Lynch. He'll let him know what's going on and let him retire.

I agree.

However, if Lynch decided he wants to play on a year and if we don't want him, then we will cut him. It will be a friendly cut though, not a Javon Walker cut.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Shanahan WILL NOT CUT Lynch. He'll let him know what's going on and let him retire.

Told Jerry Rice retire or be cut......What makes you think he would not cut Lynch if Lynch refused to retire?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

We might as well try to shop him. Maybe someone will give us a 6th or 7th.

In a perfect world. Yes

[topscribe]

Told Jerry Rice retire or be cut......What makes you think he would not cut Lynch if Lynch refused to retire?

Well, that's true. Shanny was personal friends with Rice, and he probably is
with Lynch now, too. But he has a football team to run, and the name of the
game is win. Everyone knows that, including Lynch.

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[BroncoJoe]

Told Jerry Rice retire or be cut......What makes you think he would not cut Lynch if Lynch refused to retire?

Rice never played a down here. Lynch has. I just think that's a big difference. I don't think Lynch would want to play for yet another team either. From what's been discussed on the local airwaves here, Shanahan asked him to come back in the capacity he's heading for. Rumor had it he was ready to retire.

He'd probably sign a one day contract with TB to retire a Buc.

[turftoad]

It appears that John isn't too happy about how things are developing at camp so far. With Hamza getting alot of reps in camp, could the writing be on the wall for Mr. Lynch?
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Lynch A No-Show At Team Meeting, Camp (http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/john.lynch.broncos.2.783889.html)

Broncos safety John Lynch wasn't at training camp on Wednesday.

When asked about his absence, coach Mike Shanahan said the Pro Bowl safety is taking care of personal business.

A source told CBS4 Broncos Insider Gary Miller that Lynch was also not at the team meeting on Tuesday night.

Lynch is not happy over his lack of practice time as he competes for a starting safety position.

Lynch so far hasn't returned CBS4's calls to inquire about his absence.

Thanks for the info.

I'll wait to make an opinion until we find out EXACTLY what is going on.

BTW, Lynch doesn't have any reason to return a call from CBS4.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

We might as well try to shop him. Maybe someone will give us a 6th or 7th.

In a perfect world. Yes

[Timmy!]

Wait a minute. Doesn't Abdullah play SS not FS?! So.....why would it matter if Abdullah is getting all the reps at SS? All the old man haters haven't mentioned this and are screaming for a cut or trade. Go figure. From what I've read Lynch has been fine in camp, has looked good on running downs, and is being replaced by McCree on passing downs. My sources tell me some of you guys make reading this forum like pulling teeth.

[turftoad]

Wait a minute. Doesn't Abdullah play SS not FS?! So.....why would it matter if Abdullah is getting all the reps at SS? All the old man haters haven't mentioned this and are screaming for a cut or trade. Go figure. From what I've read Lynch has been fine in camp, has looked good on running downs, and is being replaced by McCree on passing downs. My sources tell me some of you guys make reading this forum like pulling teeth.

I doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that Lynch has lost a step. Everyone know that.

I've read every report from the guys that are attending camp and have not heard one bad thing about Lynch thus far.

People must be making stuff up again.

[Spider]

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[Spider]

that hit ranks up there with this one .........Atwater destroys the Nigerian cream puff .....err Nightmare http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/spiderinwy/boom.gif

[shank]

some of the responses in this thread make me sick to my stomach...

[Spider]

some of the responses in this thread make me sick to my stomach...
Cream puffs make ya sick ? :D

[shank]

Cream puffs make ya sick ? :D

no, i love cream puffs bro. un-loyal clowns twist my tummy a bit though.

[Spider]

no, i love cream puffs bro. un-loyal clowns twist my tummy a bit though. :D maybe this will ease the pain ...... Wilson cleans Heaps clock big time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/spiderinwy/Wilson_Heap.gif

[NorthernLights]

Lynch is a class act. I respect his talent and he has been a top player for a long time. He and I went to the same high school, albeit about 15 years apart. I wish him well.

[Crush05]

Here is the link!! IMO this sucks!!!:tsk:

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/john.lynch.broncos.2.783889.html

[D1g1tal j1m]

I will miss his intensity and leadership on D. I will not miss when a receiver blows past him in coverage and when he gets juked out by the running back as he overruns the tackle.

He had a great career and he will make an excellent broadcaster.

[Krugan]

Sigh

Well, it sure would be nice to have his leadership and run stuffing ability here.

Sadly I saw him leaving before the start of the year, but was pleasantly suprised he stayed.

Well, lets hope one of the other retreads has something good to offer.

[topscribe]

One way or another, it's been an honor to have him here.

I hope he keeps his home in Colorado.

John Lynch is nothing but class . . .

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[Crush05]

I will miss his intensity and leadership on D. I will not miss when a receiver blows past him in coverage and when he gets juked out by the running back as he overruns the tackle.

He had a great career and he will make an excellent broadcaster.

I agree in a sense on getting beat. But he brings something to our team. He was a vocal leader! Who will take over that roll and it still is a big hole to fill.

[Day1BroncoFan]

This is a shock to me. :shocked:

[Denver Native (Carol)]

One way or another, it's been an honor to have him here.

I hope he keeps his home in Colorado.

John Lynch is nothing but class . . .

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Yes, thanks John :salute: I definitely hate to hear this. He was a good guy much like Rod.

I would think he would not keep his home in Colorado, as channel 4 previously showed a lot of tape of John working out all last season at his San Diego home.

[girler]

This is a shock to me. :shocked:

Me too. :shocked:

[Spider]

I wish him luck in his next adventure unless of course he becomes a raider or a cheif , then he will be scum of the earth ............

[Den21vsBal19]

First Rod, now Lynch....................someone needs to step up big time and give this team a focal point and leadership

[Day1BroncoFan]

I wish him luck in his next adventure unless of course he becomes a raider or a cheif , then he will be scum of the earth ............

Or a charger.

[Lonestar]

Shanahan, Lynch Agree He's Leaving Broncos

Reporting
Vic Lombardi DENVER (CBS4) ―
John Lynch is exploring other options for his future and leaving the Denver Broncos, CBS4 News reports.

Lynch and coach Mike Shanahan met Wednesday afternoon. Lynch told Vic Lombardi that Shanahan gave Lynch permission to look for a new team, consider a broadcasting career or retire.

Lynch was not happy over his lack of practice time as he competes for a starting safety position. He took a pay cut to return for his 16th season as an NFL player. But he wanted an opportunity to be a full time starter at safety.

Lynch was not at practice Wednesday morning and had missed a team meeting Tuesday night.

Lynch told Lombardi he would be at Dove Valley Thursday to address the situation further.

Gary Miller reports other teams, like the San Diego Chargers, where Lynch is from, would be interested in him.


I truly am sad to see him go

If we wind up trading safeties with the chargers, we get the dirty end of the stick on this one..

Here is hoping they are not interested in him and he plays else where or goes into broadcasting..

Although if he can play in SAN near home that is OK by me..

[turftoad]

One way or another, it's been an honor to have him here.

I hope he keeps his home in Colorado.

John Lynch is nothing but class . . .

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Agreed.

I hope he just retires (to the booth).

Sad to see a guy with his work ethic and professionalsm leave.

[Magnificent Seven]

Awww Man! That sucks! Please don't sign with Chargers or Raiders. I would be damned if he goes neither to San Diego or Oakland.

[Spider]

Or a charger.

:D True .......

[frauschieze]

First Rod, now Lynch....................someone needs to step up big time and give this team a focal point and leadership

Agreed 100%. This is going to be crucial. Jay has already started down the leadership path but the D needs someone to rally behind.

[claymore]

his leadership didnt do crap last year, and he is a liability in coverage. My only regret is my son got a Lynch jersey on Sat for his B-day.......... I missed 50% by a few days.

[Day1BroncoFan]

Agreed 100%. This is going to be crucial. Jay has already started down the leadership path but the D needs someone to rally behind.

Time for Dumervil to step up.

[Nurse Red]

First Rod, now Lynch....................someone needs to step up big time and give this team a focal point and leadership


Agreed 100%. This is going to be crucial. Jay has already started down the leadership path but the D needs someone to rally behind.

And having lost Wilson just last year...


Well... one way or the other, thanks for everything, #47!

[Lonestar]

Time for Dumervil to step up.


it is time for DJ to become the force he should be ..

Champ may have to get more vocal..

[claymore]

Only person that needs to take Charge is Jay Cutler, and I hope he seizes the opportunity. All the leaders gone........... temp MLB............ I hope......... Whatever the best is.

[Lonestar]

his leadership didnt do crap last year, and he is a liability in coverage. My only regret is my son got a Lynch jersey on Sat for his B-day.......... I missed 50% by a few days.


Well considering the load he was having to carry perhaps you might want to lighten up..

I would think that if your son likes Lynch it would make me happy.. there are others he could want to emulate, such as Marshall..

I will miss John Lynch out there.. a true dedicated player.. I do not think you can say he ever tanked a play..

[topscribe]

it is time for DJ to become the force he should be ..

Champ may have to get more vocal..

I think we'll see Hamza laying some wood, and I've heard a lot about Niko's pop.

I don't know about vocal though. D.J. isn't very vocal, from what I've heard.
Maybe Boss, once he gets settled it, or Niko? But they're pretty new yet.

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[Davii]

That sucks! I wish you the best John. He's been an amazing player, and a class act his entire time in the NFL.

Hopefully he retires a Bronco, I don't care what anyone says I don't want him on a Defense we have to play against.

[broncosfanscott]

Man this sucks. I will miss his intensity on the field. He is a classy guy and I wish him nothing but the best.


I hope he keeps his home in Colorado.

I hear ya, yet I hope he keeps his house in SD.

[Timmy!]

I'm betting he will probably retire as oppose to playing for somebody else at his age. I'd love to see him go into broadcasting. Thanks for the memories 47.


McCree is now the starting FS. :eek:

[claymore]

Well considering the load he was having to carry perhaps you might want to lighten up..

I would think that if your son likes Lynch it would make me happy.. there are others he could want to emulate, such as Marshall..

I will miss John Lynch out there.. a true dedicated player.. I do not think you can say he ever tanked a play..
My son gives 2 turds about lynch. I was pissed that was the jersey he got. Im getting him a Cutler jersey to make up for it this weekend.

[girler]

My son gives 2 turds about lynch. I was pissed that was the jersey he got. Im getting him a Cutler jersey to make up for it this weekend.

I have a Lynch jersey, will you get me a Cutler jersey to make up for it too? :lollypop:

[claymore]

I have a Lynch jersey, will you get me a Cutler jersey to make up for it too? :lollypop:

A week after he retires! :drinking:

[Lonestar]

My son gives 2 turds about lynch. I was pissed that was the jersey he got. Im getting him a Cutler jersey to make up for it this weekend.

So someone obviously thought enough of your son to give him John Lynch Jersey.. I'd be proud of that..

Sorry you feel that way about one of DEN's best Safeties in a long time..

It is not a crime to get old.. it is a crime to phone games in or beat your wife..

I rank John Lynch up there with character guys like Eddie Mac.. both over achievers..

[Davii]

A week after he retires! :drinking:

Hopefully that's like 14 years from now.

[jrelway]

good luck lynch..had some good years for us, especially the afc championship season...but your time has come.

[BroncoJoe]

Thanks, John. You were definitely an asset to our team, but it's time to hang 'em up.

[Spider]

well with rod leaving , Lynch retirin , I was going to help out with my Leadership and people skills , but you guys done pissed me off ....So screw em

[claymore]

To be honest He didnt bring much to the table. And people ony like him cause he is white. For every hard hit there was 5 blown coverages, and 3 td's. Bye lynch your handsome but your old and suck.

[Broncos Mtnman]

Lynch isn't one to give up after 5 days of camp.

Apparently, he is.....

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17959

[Lonestar]

To be honest He didnt bring much to the table. And people ony like him cause he is white. For every hard hit there was 5 blown coverages, and 3 td's. Bye lynch your handsome but your old and suck.

not sure who pissed in your Wheaties, but my praise for John Lynch is not because he is white..

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Lynch was never really a Bronco. he just played in Denver. Same w/ Sapp in Oakland, Rice in Oakland, Atwater in NY, etc. I highly doubt he is HOF material, but if he is it's as a Buc w/o any hesitation.

[claymore]

not sure who pissed in your Wheaties, but my praise for John Lynch is not because he is white..
Lynch did. Guys, I am really Dallas Clark. :drinking:

[Spider]

To be honest He didnt bring much to the table. And people ony like him cause he is white. For every hard hit there was 5 blown coverages, and 3 td's. Bye lynch your handsome but your old and suck.

I got to disagree here , yeah his skills diminished , he was a shell of his former self , couldnt cover a nunn with a blanket , but he did keep our midget linebackers in line ........ :D

[Buff]

Dude has always been a superb run stopper, but he hasn't been able to cover effectively for the better part of 3 years. It's the intangibles that he brought to the table that we'll miss. I hope he retires, or signs in the NFC-- his neck doesn't have too many more hits left in it though.

[Broncos Mtnman]

I guess everyone who thought he wouldn't quit after only 5 days of camp got a slap of reality, eh?

:coffee:

[claymore]

I got to disagree here , yeah his skills diminished , he was a shell of his former self , couldnt cover a nunn with a blanket , but he did keep our midget linebackers in line ........ :D
IMHO. We noticed when Al wilson left. We will not notice when Lynch leaves. My kids wont know who he is in ten years, and he will be a farts length on a Broncos DVD's.

He is a Buccaneer, will retire as that, and he was a 3-4 year stop gap that no one else wanted. One of the few broke ass players we sign that started in his position.

He is a good dude, From what I have seen though. But I aint in love with him.

[topscribe]

well with rod leaving , Lynch retirin , I was going to help out with my Leadership and people skills , but you guys done pissed me off ....So screw em

Whoever pissed Spidey off, let me buy him/her a beer. :D

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[topscribe]

IMHO. We noticed when Al wilson left. We will not notice when Lynch leaves. My kids wont know who he is in ten years, and he will be a farts length on a Broncos DVD's.

He is a Buccaneer, will retire as that, and he was a 3-4 year stop gap that no one else wanted. One of the few broke ass players we sign that started in his position.

He is a good dude, From what I have seen though. But I aint in love with him.

Yeah, four straight broke-ass Pro Bowls. :coffee:

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[Lonestar]

A bit off topic here, but still in regards to Lynch.

Say he goes to the HOF....does he go as a Buc or a Bronco? Yea his best years were in Tampa, but they discarded him like yesterdays news while the Broncos took a chance on him.

Do you think Mikey has been much better?

[Timmy!]

Clay, I'll mail you a sock, you seem stressed. :D

[Day1BroncoFan]

I don't have any man love or for that matter other type of love for Lynch but he played a good game here for us in my opinion.

[Spider]

Whoever pissed Spidey off, let me buy him/her a beer. :D

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I will over look this since everyone is distressed :D

[Day1BroncoFan]

Clay, I'll mail you a sock, you seem stressed. :D

Can you send me two please? :D

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Yeah, four straight broke-ass Pro Bowls. :coffee:

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2 of em on name alone...

[Spider]

IMHO. We noticed when Al wilson left. We will not notice when Lynch leaves. My kids wont know who he is in ten years, and he will be a farts length on a Broncos DVD's.

He is a Buccaneer, will retire as that, and he was a 3-4 year stop gap that no one else wanted. One of the few broke ass players we sign that started in his position.

He is a good dude, From what I have seen though. But I aint in love with him.

well lets hope you are right

[topscribe]

2 of em on name alone...

I see . . . so you have sources?

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[Tned]

I will miss his intensity and leadership on D. I will not miss when a receiver blows past him in coverage and when he gets juked out by the running back as he overruns the tackle.

He had a great career and he will make an excellent broadcaster.

I'll miss his hot wife ;)

[topscribe]

I'll miss his hot wife ;)

:shocked: Is there something he should know?

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[SmilinAssasSin27]

I see . . . so you have sources?

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Just the opinion of many on these boards over the past 2 years. He's been below average for 2 yrs now. But he's John Lynch. I love that he hurt Rivers, but otherwise, his game slipped tremendously.

[Buff]

I see . . . so you have sources?

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Do you think Lynch was a pro-bowl calibur safety the past 2 seasons?

[Broncos Mtnman]

OK, so we got another "good guy" who always "played hard" and "gave it his all" on every down, even when he failed to deliver, but didn't want to work for his position... *cough* Jake Plummer *cough*

Face it folks.

John was past his prime and if not for the Broncos, wasn't likely to even be in the league the past 3 years.

It's a business folks. And if one of your employees is no longer able to do his job, he gets replaced. It doesn't make Shanny a bad guy. It doesn't mean he wasn't shown any "love."

It just means that it's time to say "buh-bye"

:coffee:

[topscribe]

Do you think Lynch was a pro-bowl calibur safety the past 2 seasons?

Obviously, a lot of people do, including those in football.

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[Buff]

Obviously, a lot of people do, including those in football.

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I won't dispute that... But the question is, do you think he was a pro bowl calibur player the past 2 seasons?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I have nothin against the dude. he played hard and played smart. I enjoyed watching him...especially when he buried Rivers. His tank was just empty. If Denver had another option, Lynch would have been benched 2 yrs ago.

[ChampWJ]

John Lynch will be missed for many reasons, on the field and off. I want to thank him for being such a great leader and role model for the team. The loss of his intelligence and fire on the field will show. We can't keep losing our leaders like this. Al Wilson, Rod, Lynch, DWill. Who's next?

[tubby]

Great guy. Class act. But, his time has come. He hasn't had a pick in 2 years.

[topscribe]

OK, so we got another "good guy" who always "played hard" and "gave it his all" on every down, even when he failed to deliver, but didn't want to work for his position... *cough* Jake Plummer *cough*

Face it folks.

John was past his prime and if not for the Broncos, wasn't likely to even be in the league the past 3 years.

It's a business folks. And if one of your employees is no longer able to do his job, he gets replaced. It doesn't make Shanny a bad guy. It doesn't mean he wasn't shown any "love."

It just means that it's time to say "buh-bye"

:coffee:

Yeah, I Hi-5'd you, even though you figured a way to drag Jake into yet another conversation.

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[girler]

I'll miss his hot wife ;)

I'll miss his quit smoking commercials. Though I won't miss Rod Smith's pizza commercials. :whistle:

[claymore]

Obviously, a lot of people do, including those in football.

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Its a name people vote on names...... Champ has been and will go to Pro Bowls he doesnt deserve.

Favre......... Gets recognition he doesnt deserve.......... It happens. People fall in love with players.

[topscribe]

I won't dispute that... But the question is, do you think he was a pro bowl calibur player the past 2 seasons?

What difference does it make, and why is my opinion so important to you?

I didn't vote . . . :coffee:

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[Lonestar]

Just the opinion of many on these boards over the past 2 years. He's been below average for 2 yrs now. But he's John Lynch. I love that he hurt Rivers, but otherwise, his game slipped tremendously.


if so why did mikey not bring in a name to replace him? and please do not say he did with these two mokes fa's from this year..

please do not insult anyones intelligence with a remark like that..

[Lonestar]

John Lynch will be missed for many reasons, on the field and off. I want to thank him for being such a great leader and role model for the team. The loss of his intelligence and fire on the field will show. We can't keep losing our leaders like this. Al Wilson, Rod, Lynch, DWill. Who's next?

I remember hearing mikey call him one of the smartest players he has had .. an on the field coach..

players like that are missed..

[topscribe]

Its a name people vote on names...... Champ has been and will go to Pro Bowls he doesnt deserve.

Favre......... Gets recognition he doesnt deserve.......... It happens. People fall in love with players.

I know all about Pro Bowls. Seen several decades of them.

All I know is that Lynch went to four Pro Bowls. I know better than to sit
here at my computer and try to evalutate why. If you get my drift.

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[SmilinAssasSin27]

if so why did mikey not bring in a name to replace him? and please do not say he did with these two mokes fa's from this year..

please do not insult anyones intelligence with a remark like that..

Short answer...the Dline was worse and he had 2 CBs who could erase his burn marks.

[claymore]

I know all about Pro Bowls. Seen several decades of them.

All I know is that Lynch went to four Pro Bowls. I know better than to sit
here at my computer and try to evalutate why. If you get my drift.

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I think he went to 8 or 9. but OK.

[Buff]

What difference does it make, and why is my opinion so important to you?

I didn't vote . . . :coffee:

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It's not that important, I just think it would be tough to make the case that Lynch was deserving of the Pro Bowl nods the past two seasons. Obviously assassin can't prove that Lynch got into the last 2 pro bowls on name alone, but I think most Bronco fans would agree with that conclusion.

[ChampWJ]

This is sad. Our team is a shell of what it was just 2 or 3 years ago.

[Timmy!]

In four years in Denver the old man with a bad neck had:

267 Tackles (195 solo)
7 Sacks
3 Ints
4 Pro Bowls

Not too shabby. I'm thinking his body finally convinced his mind that it was time to hang it up.

Thanks John. :salute:

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Short answer...the Dline was worse and he had 2 CBs who could erase his burn marks.

Lynch was seldom in the position to get "burned." He was playing either in the
box or center field in a zone capacity. He seldom had a one-on-one
responsibilty. Much like the great Steve Atwater had in his later years.

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[Shazam!]

Lynch was a high caliber, smart player who put everything he had into every play.

It's guys like that that separate good players from great players, and selfish players from team players.

His leadership and tutelage will be missed. It's time for DJ to step into the role, but it's been said he isn't vocal...

Thanks 47, just don't go to another AFCW team.

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This is sad. Our team is a shell of what it was just 2 or 3 years ago.

Our present shell is better than those teams were, IMO.

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[SmilinAssasSin27]

In four years in Denver the old man with a bad neck had:

267 Tackles (195 solo)
7 Sacks
3 Ints
4 Pro Bowls

Not too shabby. I'm thinking his body finally convinced his mind that it was time to hang it up.

Thanks John. :salute:

3 INTs in 4 years...he had more personal foul penalties (still loved the attacking style though). And before anyone bashes that comment, I disagree w/ the one vs the Colts.

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I think he went to 8 or 9. but OK.

I know his history. I meant while he was here. I don't care about there.

And it was nine.

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[tubby]

Our present shell is better than those teams were, IMO.

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Easy cowboy.......

:lol:

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3 INTs in 4 years...he had more personal foul penalties (still loved the attacking style though). And before anyone bashes that comment, I disagree w/ the one vs the Colts.

I loved his personal fouls. Every one of them. :beer:

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[red98]

OK, so we got another "good guy" who always "played hard" and "gave it his all" on every down, even when he failed to deliver, but didn't want to work for his position... *cough* Jake Plummer *cough*

Face it folks.

John was past his prime and if not for the Broncos, wasn't likely to even be in the league the past 3 years.

It's a business folks. And if one of your employees is no longer able to do his job, he gets replaced. It doesn't make Shanny a bad guy. It doesn't mean he wasn't shown any "love."

It just means that it's time to say "buh-bye"

:coffee:

Wasn't willing to work hard ?

Bowlen begged Lynch to come back and he was promised a chance to compete for the starters role. He worked his ass off and yet was never given a shot to practice on 3rd downs or in the nickle pkgs. etc.

If the Broncos thought he was washed up they should of cut him in January, not make promises they didn't intend to keep.

[Timmy!]

3 INTs in 4 years...he had more personal foul penalties (still loved the attacking style though). And before anyone bashes that comment, I disagree w/ the one vs the Colts.

I was just posting all his stats, as Tubby mentioned he didn't have a single int his past two years. Lynch was never a ball hawk, and won't be missed against the pass. His tackle numbers are pretty good though, and he will be missed against the run, which is bad news. I'll say it again. McCree is now the starting FS (unless we put Fox there....please no!!). :shocked:

[claymore]

I loved his personal fouls. Every one of them. :beer:

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He was a presence. But our lack of addressing the position the last 4-5 years will end in this draft. We need a Young Atwater, or Lynch type in there. And yes I love Lynch, but I just paid full price for a jersey.

[shank]

what a bunch of ungrateful stat-whores...

john's absence will be felt. i'm off to drink in his 'memory'. 47 :beer:

[Day1BroncoFan]

what a bunch of ungrateful stat-whores...

john's absence will be felt. i'm off to drink in his 'memory'. 47 :beer:

:tea:

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He was a presence. But our lack of addressing the position the last 4-5 years will end in this draft. We need a Young Atwater, or Lynch type in there. And yes I love Lynch, but I just paid full price for a jersey.

Nothing wrong with that. Wear it with pride.

I wear a #87 with "Jackson" on the back.


Either that, or send it to me. I'll wear it if it fits me . . .

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[Shazam!]

Im going to go drink and say a prayer for Hamza and McCree.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

what a bunch of ungrateful stat-whores...

john's absence will be felt. i'm off to drink in his 'memory'. 47 :beer:

...like you needed an excuse.:salute:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

If Barrett can get that fire in his eyes, he's already the most talented Safety we have. I'd love to see him commit and go after it. he could be special...especially alongside Champ and Bly/Foxxy.

[ChampWJ]

I think the memory of when we used to make the playoffs deserves a drink. Losing leaders like Lynch definitely doesn't get us closer to returning to glory.

[Timmy!]

So, in conclusion, the worst part about all this (other than football impact) is Clay paid too much for a Lynch jersey and I have to change my sig picture. :tsk:

[broncogirl7]

John...we will miss you and all that you have done for the Broncos.
Football is a competitive sport and you have slowed up a little and potentially could've become a liability, so as much as we will miss you it is time for the Broncos to look to the future.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

When old washed up players leave Bronco fans act like its the end of the world. Lol you all need to remain realist. Lynch on the field was a liability physically at this stage of his career the last 2 years. Game moves on and so does players. But his reason for not being at the meeting was called "personal reasons" by Shanny so i guess it was family or what not.

[claymore]

So, in conclusion, the worst part about all this (other than football impact) is Clay paid too much for a Lynch jersey and I have to change my sig picture. :tsk:

Zactly. LMFAO!

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Wait a minute. Doesn't Abdullah play SS not FS?! So.....why would it matter if Abdullah is getting all the reps at SS? All the old man haters haven't mentioned this and are screaming for a cut or trade. Go figure. From what I've read Lynch has been fine in camp, has looked good on running downs, and is being replaced by McCree on passing downs. My sources tell me some of you guys make reading this forum like pulling teeth.

Yeah who you think Torain, Aldridge, Young been blowing right past the last 4 days?

[ChampWJ]

it is time for the Broncos to look to the future.

I would agree with this except for one minor detail. Our safeties are all scrubs or unproven low draft picks. None of these players are an improvement over Lynch, even at this stage of his career IMO.

Abdullah - Excellent at whiff-tackling.
Barrett - never lived up to the supposed hype in college, raw and unproven
McCree, Manuel - castoff, marginally average players

I think a case could be made that we have the weakest class of safeties in the AFC West.

[Timmy!]

When old washed up players leave Bronco fans act like its the end of the world. Lol you all need to remain realist. Lynch on the field was a liability physically at this stage of his career the last 2 years. Game moves on and so does players. But his reason for not being at the meeting was called "personal reasons" by Shanny so i guess it was family or what not.

I officially dub thee "Stanley."

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I officially dub thee "Stanley."

Your not allowed to call people anything outside or there User Name is what i was told by one of the mods. So you might want to relax with the name Stanley.:salute:

[nevcraw]

This is another very good example of the spoiled Broncos fans.. A superb FB player, community and locker room leader blesses the team and the community with his presence for a few solid years and people act like he is a dime a dozen..
I selfishly wish that 1st and second down were enough for him, but a true warrior like him cannot put down the fight..

[Timmy!]

Yeah who you think Torain, Aldridge, Young been blowing right past the last 4 days?

Stanley:

1. Learn English.
2. The answer to your question would be: The defense. Which consists of 11 players.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I would agree with this except for one minor detail. Our safeties are all scrubs or unproven low draft picks. None of these players are an improvement over Lynch, even at this stage of his career IMO.

Abdullah - Excellent at whiff-tackling.
Barrett - never lived up to the supposed hype in college, raw and unproven
McCree, Manuel - castoff, marginally average players

I think a case could be made that we have the weakest class of safeties in the AFC West.

:lol: Too each is own.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Stanley:

1. Learn English.
2. The answer to your question would be: The defense. Which consists of 11 players.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/BroncosWorld/young_ELB_080727.jpg

[ChampWJ]

:lol: Too each is own.

Don't get me wrong, I hope they prove me wrong on the field. I will remain unenthusiastic about our current group until otherwise.

I'd like to see an argument against my statement about possibly having the worst group of safeties in the division.

[Timmy!]

Your not allowed to call people anything outside or there User Name is what i was told by one of the mods. So you might want to relax with the name Stanley.:salute:

CR: You're. Their. I. Please don't salute me.

[broncogirl7]

Abdullah is much faster than Lynch, as Lynch has slowed up.
Looks like McCree will have to step it up.
This will probably be a weak area for now, but not forever.

[claymore]

I would agree with this except for one minor detail. Our safeties are all scrubs or unproven low draft picks. None of these players are an improvement over Lynch, even at this stage of his career IMO.

Abdullah - Excellent at whiff-tackling.
Barrett - never lived up to the supposed hype in college, raw and unproven
McCree, Manuel - castoff, marginally average players

I think a case could be made that we have the weakest class of safeties in the AFC West.

John lynch does not help this team. If he could start he would. So, if he is gone, he wasnt going to start. And he quit. What a great leader he is. :salute:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Don't get me wrong, I hope they prove me wrong on the field. I will remain unenthusiastic about our current group until otherwise.

I'd like to see an argument against my statement about possibly having the worst group of safeties in the division.

I dont know Oakland signed a bum in Wesley, That says alot about there S position having Huff and Wilson and signing Wesley who believes hes a starter. San Diego has who? Little Weddle? Imagine him tackling Torain :coffee:, KC whole team is :coffee::coffee: BORING. They have some talent but there trashy as a unit. Pollard flies in with his head down thats why he gets knocked out so much :lol:. So in my opinion this whole division is weak at the Safety position if you ask me. Huff is the most talented ball hawk with all the ability int he world but has been a bust in Oakland for some reason. Nowhere near the prospect i thought he would be.

[Timmy!]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/BroncosWorld/young_ELB_080727.jpg

Oh, my bad. I forgot you were at camp and are witnessing everything 1st hand instead of just forming your own opinion like everybody else.:rolleyes:

*insert mod comment about getting to personal*

:focus:

:D

[ChampWJ]

John lynch does not help this team. If he could start he would. So, if he is gone, he wasnt going to start. And he quit. What a great leader he is. :salute:

Knocking Lynch's leadership is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far in the thread. Maybe he realized he was starting to show some age and didn't want to risk permanently injuring his neck as a part-time player. I find no fault with that whatsoever. Retire with your health John. I doubt he's going to struggle to succeed after football.

[Northman]

Knocking Lynch's leadership is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far in the thread. Maybe he realized he was starting to show some age and didn't want to risk permanently injuring his neck as a part-time player. I find no fault with that whatsoever. Retire with your health John. I doubt he's going to struggle to succeed after football.

What if he signs with another team? From what i have read he hasnt stated that he is absolutely retiring.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Oh, my bad. I forgot you were at camp and are witnessing everything 1st hand instead of just forming your own opinion like everybody else.:rolleyes:

*insert mod comment about getting to personal*

:focus:

:D

That is my opinion the last 2 year i had to watch him get beat and be caught covering nothing but grass :coffee: Who is fooling who? And that mod comment was just a heads up, You will never get reported by me.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

What if he signs with another team? From what i have read he hasnt stated that he is absolutely retiring.

Lynch probably does want to play, However younger players/ Other players have been out shining him in camp. Plus the fact that he has not been effective the last 2 years physically.

[claymore]

Knocking Lynch's leadership is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far in the thread. Maybe he realized he was starting to show some age and didn't want to risk permanently injuring his neck as a part-time player. I find no fault with that whatsoever. Retire with your health John. I doubt he's going to struggle to succeed after football.

Just like they were touting Champs leadership when Al wilson left? Hmmmmmm I miss Al Wilson like a son of a gun. What leadership has Lynch shown you? What has he done....... Besides community stuff. His "leadership" will not be missed. But it will be brought up often cause he didnt bring anything else to the table. And folks respect the old white safety that they could point to, and tell there kids...... "If you dont have the physical abilities, you can make up for it in heart" . Which is a load of crap.

Only leadership I remember is lynch yelling at Foxworth for a missed assignment. No one yelled at lynch for being old and slow, plus I think he missed allot more coverages than we know.

But like Favre, he is magic, and we cant criticize him.

[ChampWJ]

Lynch probably does want to play, However younger players/ Other players have been out shining him in camp. Plus the fact that he has not been effective the last 2 years physically.

He's been jerked around by the coaching staff this year anyways. They haven't even given him a realistic chance to win the job. He saw the writing on the wall, and who can blame the guy? He's been nothing but a positive influence on the team in his time here, and this is the thanks he gets? Why should he waste the last year of his career as an unappreciated situational player when he's the smartest player on the team and been to 4 pro-bowls in the last 4 years?

If the team thinks Barrett, McCree or whomever can do a better job than Lynch, great. I hope that's the case. I doubt it happens.

[Timmy!]

That is my opinion the last 2 year i had to watch him get beat and be caught covering nothing but grass :coffee: Who is fooling who? And that mod comment was just a heads up, You will never get reported by me.

I agree 100% he sucks in coverage, but he did help against the run and from a leadership perspective. You can thank Lynch (in part) for how Abdullah is coming along, as Abdullah has said he's learned a lot from Lynch. The camp reports I've read, and from what I've seen of McCree when the Broncos play the Chargers, is he's not a good tackler and more of a coverage FS. The only worry I have is this will hurt the already questionable run defense. The guy wants to start, or not play at all by the looks of it, and I doubt any NFL team will let him be a full time starter at FS right now. Questioning the guys heart and leadership is silly (Clay :tsk:). I'll puke if he signs in the AFC west, hopefully he just retires healthy, and makes his way into the broadcast booth or pregame shows.

As for as the mods go, I'm not worried about it.

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Just like they were touting Champs leadership when Al wilson left? Hmmmmmm I miss Al Wilson like a son of a gun. What leadership has Lynch shown you? What has he done....... Besides community stuff. His "leadership" will not be missed. But it will be brought up often cause he didnt bring anything else to the table. And folks respect the old white safety that they could point to, and tell there kids...... "If you dont have the physical abilities, you can make up for it in heart" . Which is a load of crap.

Only leadership I remember is lynch yelling at Foxworth for a missed assignment. No one yelled at lynch for being old and slow, plus I think he missed allot more coverages than we know.

But like Favre, he is magic, and we cant criticize him.

Yeah, you're right. Fact is, only ten people think he's a leader.

Of course, those ten are the ones who played defense with him . . . :coffee:

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

He's been jerked around by the coaching staff this year anyways. They haven't even given him a realistic chance to win the job. He saw the writing on the wall, and who can blame the guy? He's been nothing but a positive influence on the team in his time here, and this is the thanks he gets? Why should he waste the last year of his career as an unappreciated situational player when he's the smartest player on the team and been to 4 pro-bowls in the last 4 years?

If the team thinks Barrett, McCree or whomever can do a better job than Lynch, great. I hope that's the case. I doubt it happens.

Lol so you think the coaches are kicking him out? You dont think him being a non factor the last 2 years has anything to do with moving on?

[Timmy!]

Just like they were touting Champs leadership when Al wilson left? Hmmmmmm I miss Al Wilson like a son of a gun. What leadership has Lynch shown you? What has he done....... Besides community stuff. His "leadership" will not be missed. But it will be brought up often cause he didnt bring anything else to the table. And folks respect the old white safety that they could point to, and tell there kids...... "If you dont have the physical abilities, you can make up for it in heart" . Which is a load of crap.

Only leadership I remember is lynch yelling at Foxworth for a missed assignment. No one yelled at lynch for being old and slow, plus I think he missed allot more coverages than we know.

But like Favre, he is magic, and we cant criticize him.

Clay, he was a defensive captain. That's voted on by the players, not the fans, so obviously his teammates viewed him as a leader. :whoknows:

I'll miss watching him play but it's certainly not a huge loss or the end of the world. I do cringe at the thought of McCree or Foxy flying up in run support and getting ran over though.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I agree 100% he sucks in coverage, but he did help against the run and from a leadership perspective. You can thank Lynch (in part) for how Abdullah is coming along, as Abdullah has said he's learned a lot from Lynch. The camp reports I've read, and from what I've seen of McCree when the Broncos play the Chargers, is he's not a good tackler and more of a coverage FS. The only worry I have is this will hurt the already questionable run defense. The guy wants to start, or not play at all by the looks of it, and I doubt any NFL team will let him be a full time starter at FS right now. Questioning the guys heart and leadership is silly (Clay :tsk:). I'll puke if he signs in the AFC west, hopefully he just retires healthy, and makes his way into the broadcast booth or pregame shows.

As for as the mods go, I'm not worried about it.

Dude there is no question that Lynch is smart and younger players can learn from him, But his physical gift has faded away. Therefor if he is not a football player anymore. This happens to all of them not just Lynch or broncos players. If Lynch wants to remain in the game he should ask for a coaching position somewhere in our staff. Like Kieth Burns got and many more. But as a player the dudes washed up vs the run or pass. the last 2 years.

[claymore]

Yeah, you're right. Fact is, only ten people think he's a leader.

Of course, those ten are the ones who played defense with him . . . :coffee:

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Clay, he was a defensive captain. That's voted on by the players, not the fans, so obviously his teammates viewed him as a leader. :whoknows:

I'll miss watching him play but it's certainly not a huge loss or the end of the world. I do cringe at the thought of McCree or Foxy flying up in run support and getting ran over though.
How many of those 11 people have been here the past 5 years. And who the hell else would the vote for? :laugh:

[ChampWJ]

Lol so you think the coaches are kicking him out? You dont think him being a non factor the last 2 years has anything to do with moving on?

First of all, the LOLs are insulting. Second, not too many non-factors go to the pro-bowl every year they play for a team.

I don't think the coaches are kicking him out, don't words in my mouth. I think the coaches have been giving him lip-service and he's too smart to not figure that out.

[Timmy!]

But as a player the dudes washed up vs the run or pass. the last 2 years.

Against the pass, no doubt. His coverage sucked because his speed sucks and he got owned against pretty much every TE he faced the last couple years. Against the run? I disagree. He had 83 tackles (58 solo) in 16 games in 06 and 59 (46 solo) in 13 games in 07. Those stats are facts, not opinions.

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Lol so you think the coaches are kicking him out? You dont think him being a non factor the last 2 years has anything to do with moving on?

You keep talking about the last two years.

The last two Pro Bowl years.

The fact is, Bowlen and Shanny wanted Lynch back. Were he so much a
"non-factor" the last two years, why would Shanny and Bowlen, who have
forgotten more about football than you'll ever know, want him back? They
wanted him back, based on the way he played the last two years.

If he didn't work out this year, that has nothing to do with the last two years.
It is because he couldn't do it this year. Were he such a non-factor, they
would have cut him long before this year.

I don't care if the Pro Bowl is such a popularity contest. Maybe some of
the participants are undeserving of going there. But non-factors do not
receive votes.

Lynch did not excel at one-on-one coverage. That is why he seldom played
one-on-one coverage. He played in the box, where he did excel, and other
times in a zone capacity in the backfield.

Or maybe we need to consider that. Maybe Dumervil also sucked because
he did not excel at one-on-one pass coverage.

Nope, I think I would rather go on Shanny's and Bowlen's opinions . . .

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[Timmy!]

How many of those 11 people have been here the past 5 years. And who the hell else would the vote for? :laugh:

He was a captain all 4 years he was here (I think) Clay. ;)

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How many of those 11 people have been here the past 5 years. And who the hell else would the vote for? :laugh:
The last five years? Now Lynch has sucked for the last five years?

Boy when you peope throw a player under the bus, you don't mess around, do you?

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[ChampWJ]

How many of those 11 people have been here the past 5 years. And who the hell else would the vote for? :laugh:

I'd be interested to find out who you consider a better leader than John Lynch.

Lynch is the definition of a leader, a classy professional.

You must have missed that he won the 2007 Bart Starr Award, voted on by the players in the NFL, recognizing leadership.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

You keep talking about the last two years.

The last two Pro Bowl years.

The fact is, Bowlen and Shanny wanted Lynch back. Were he so much a
"non-factor" the last two years, why would Shanny and Bowlen, who has
forgotten more about football than you'll ever know, want him back? They
wanted him back, based on the way he played the last two years.

If he didn't work out this year, that has nothing to do with the last two years.
It is because he couldn't do it this year. Were he such a non-factor, they
would have cut him long before this year.

I don't care if the Pro Bowl is such a popularity contest. Maybe some of
the participants are undeserving of going there. But non-factors do not
receive votes.

Lynch did not excel at one-on-one coverage. That is why he seldom played
one-on-one coverage. He played in the box, where he did excel, and other
times in a zone capacity in the backfield.

Or maybe we need to consider that. Maybe Dumervil also sucked because
he did not excel at one-on-one pass coverage.

Nope, I think I would rather go on Shanny's and Bowlen's opinions . . .

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You do realize that the pro bowl is a popularity contest and that Lynch has been a huge name for over 10 years in the NFL right? So throwing out a probowl statistic means very little. If you think that Lynch deserved to go to a pro bowl the last couple years then i smell denial. Who guarantees that a team runs the first two downs in the NFL anyway? What happens when they pass the ball like a good team would do? Even bad teams game plan to exploite a teams weakness. Dumervil and pass coverage? What are you talking about? Dumervil is a DE. Non factors with names recieve votes. Facts.

[Timmy!]

Watching FSN Rocky Mountain right now and they had report on Lynch and interviews with lots of players in the Broncos secondary.

Nothing but praise from his teammates, calling him a leader. Champ, Abdullah, and others gave him high praise. Abdullah looked pretty upset. "I didn't want to hear this today.......This guy has taught me so much, on and off the field."

McCree stated "This guy can still play."

I'm going to crap myself if he signs with the chargers and knocks our skulls in this season :tsk:

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You do realize that the pro bowl is a popularity contest and that Lynch has been a huge name for over 10 years in the NFL right? So throwing out a probowl statistic means very little. If you think that Lynch deserved to go to a pro bowl the last couple years then i smell denial. Who guarantees that a team runs the first two downs in the NFL anyway? What happens when they pass the ball like a good team would do? Even bad teams game plan to exploite a teams weakness. Dumervil and pass coverage? What are you talking about? Dumervil is a DE. Non factors with names recieve votes. Facts.

I realize a lot more about Pro Bowls that you know that I do, son. As I said
in previously, I have been through several decades of Pro Bowls.

But you apparently have not bothered to read my posts very carefully
because I said:


I don't care if the Pro Bowl is such a popularity contest. Maybe some of
the participants are undeserving of going there. But non-factors do not
receive votes.Please read my posts thoroughly before responding to them.


And I will still take Shanny's and Bowlen's opinions over yours. :coffee:

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[ChampWJ]

You do realize that the pro bowl is a popularity contest and that Lynch has been a huge name for over 10 years in the NFL right? So throwing out a probowl statistic means very little. If you think that Lynch deserved to go to a pro bowl the last couple years then i smell denial. Who guarantees that a team runs the first two downs in the NFL anyway? What happens when they pass the ball like a good team would do? Even bad teams game plan to exploite a teams weakness. Dumervil and pass coverage? What are you talking about? Dumervil is a DE. Non factors with names recieve votes. Facts.

If you honestly consider Lynch to have been such a "non-factor" last year, how do you then explain the drop off in stats of Champ Bailey and/or the rest of the defensive unit last season? Ever stop to consider the scheme, or other contributing factors, or is that a "non-factor" too?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I realize a lot more about Pro Bowls that you know that I do, son. As I said
in previously, I have been through several decades of Pro Bowls.

But you apparently have not bothered to read my posts very carefully
because I said:

Please read my posts thoroughly before responding to them.

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I read that and still said he was a non factor who was voted into the Pro Bowl.:eek:

[BeefStew25]

Lynch was physically done 2-3 years ago. Last two Pro Bowls were in name only, and I hope I can say having on been on this planet only 30 years.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

NFL network just reported Lynch said "HE IS DONE WITH THE BRONCOS AND WOULD NOT SAY WHY" Classy guy huh?

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I read that and still said he was a non factor who was voted into the Pro Bowl.:eek:

No, you expressed your opinion he was a non-factor.

But I'm not going to allow you to bog me down into a Pro Bowl discussion,
simply because you did not comprehend the rest of my writing, which went
far beyond the Pro Bowl issue.

You missed my edit of my last post, where I added, "I will still take Shanny's
and Bowlen's opinions over yours."

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[ChampWJ]

NFL network just reported Lynch said "HE IS DONE WITH THE BRONCOS AND WOULD NOT SAY WHY" Classy guy huh?

You should be ashamed disrespecting someone who gave this team 110% day in and day out. Classy fan. :damnmate:

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NFL network just reported Lynch said "HE IS DONE WITH THE BRONCOS AND WOULD NOT SAY WHY" Classy guy huh?

You know what? From all I've seen of him, and all I've seen of you, I would
rather meet him any day of the week . . .

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This discussion has gone beyond absurd.

I'm out of here . . .

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[Simple Jaded]

Meet the newest worn out cliche: "The Pro Bowl is just a Popularity Contest".

Wasn't Casino Royal the guy that was critiquing fanhood the other day?...:rolleyes:...

[Bronco9798]

Lynch should of realized he was barely hanging on after last year and retired. Not good seeing "Good Guys" go out like this. Sometimes they just don't realize when it is time to go.

[BeefStew25]

Meet the newest worn out cliche: "The Pro Bowl is just a Popularity Contest"...:rolleyes:...

Actually, I think it evens out. The couple Lynch got on the back end probably makes up for the couple he should have gotten in the front end but was stuck on a crappy team with no name recognition.

Judges say:

Count them all.

[topscribe]

Lynch should of realized he was barely hanging on after last year and retired. Not good seeing "Good Guys" go out like this. Sometimes they just don't realize when it is time to go.
Said with respect.

Thank you. :beer:

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[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

You should be ashamed disrespecting someone who gave this team 110% day in and day out. Classy fan. :damnmate:

So me not being in denial about his physical gifts is disrespectful? Am i suppose to think NFL players can play forever?

[BeefStew25]

Lynch should of realized he was barely hanging on after last year and retired. Not good seeing "Good Guys" go out like this. Sometimes they just don't realize when it is time to go.

Witness The Mississippi Clown Capers as an example.

[underrated29]

ok i have been completely blind to whats going on here. I just saw on NFLN that lynch isnt going to play for the broncos anymore and isnt nessacerrily retiring.

Whats going on here?




PS- i am sure this has been posted somehwere in here but i didnt want to read through 12 pages of post to find out.

[BeefStew25]

ok i have been completely blind to whats going on here. I just saw on NFLN that lynch isnt going to play for the broncos anymore and isnt nessacerrily retiring.

Whats going on here?




PS- i am sure this has been posted somehwere in here but i didnt want to read through 12 pages of post to find out.

My sources are telling me Denver is going to release him soon.

[ChampWJ]

So me not being in denial about his physical gifts is disrespectful? Am i suppose to think NFL players can play forever?

I've said several times in this thread that his game is not the same as it used to be. You must have missed that though being too caught up bashing his leadership and class. :rolleyes:

At least the Broncos have someone else ready to step right in and do a better job than Lynch could do even with his declining skill.

...........Oh wait, they don't.

[Timmy!]

ok i have been completely blind to whats going on here. I just saw on NFLN that lynch isnt going to play for the broncos anymore and isnt nessacerrily retiring.

Whats going on here?




PS- i am sure this has been posted somehwere in here but i didnt want to read through 12 pages of post to find out.


Basically, he wants to start. We're not going to let him start. He's asked for his release to either:

A. See if any other team will let him be a full time starter at FS (rumor is the Chargers are interested)

B. Retire

Chaos has since commenced.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

ok i have been completely blind to whats going on here. I just saw on NFLN that lynch isnt going to play for the broncos anymore and isnt nessacerrily retiring.

Whats going on here?




PS- i am sure this has been posted somehwere in here but i didnt want to read through 12 pages of post to find out.

Just read the last 2 pages. And then take off with how you feel about it. Alot of mixed feelings going on.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/30/broncos-lynch-misses-practice/

John Lynch always said he hoped to finish his storied career in Denver – a place he said "my family has loved'' -- but the Broncos are expected to release the decorated safety this week, having already given him permission to seek other options both inside and outside of football.

"I'm going to explore all of my opportunities,'' Lynch said Wednesday night. "Is it retirement? Maybe. Is it playing for another team? Maybe. (Coach) Mike (Shanahan) has given me the opportunity to explore that and that's what I'm going to do. But I won't be playing for the Broncos.''

Shanahan could not be reached for comment Wednesday night, but Lynch was expected to make an appearance at the team's Dove Valley complex Thursday. Lynch had been excused from practice Wednesday morning for what Shanahan called "personal reasons,'' after Lynch had not attended team meetings Tuesday night.

The nine-time Pro Bowl selection, who was set to enter his 16th season overall, has wrestled with limited playing time thus far in training camp after taking a significant pay cut before re-signing with the team Feb. 29 with the understanding he would have a chance to compete for a starting job. He has consistently said he hoped to earn as much playing time as he could after an offseason filled with grueling workouts near his offseason home in San Diego.

"I had a good meeting with Mike (Wednesday),'' Lynch said. "There are no hard feelings, I'm just looking at what's out there. In my heart I want to play, but I need to look at everything right now and that's what I'm doing. Is playing still part of that? I really have to look at that and see.''

Lynch said Wednesday he would now like to gauge if he would have an opportunity to play regularly with another team, but added he would also look at things outside of football as well if he comes to the conclusion it is time to end his playing career.

However, the Chargers – he was raised in San Diego -- had expressed interest in Lynch when he was a free agent in 2004 and it is expected the team would at least reach out to Lynch again since he has permission from the Broncos to contact other teams.

Lynch has also previously drawn interest from television networks as well for work as an analyst.

Thus far in training camp Lynch had only lined up in the team's base defense and only on early-down situations. He had not taken a snap in the team's nickel (five defensive backs) or dime (six defensive backs) packages.

In the passing down packages Marlon McCree has usually been in Lynch's spot, teamed with Hamza Abdullah at safety.

"I have nothing but respect for John,'' McCree said. "It’s because of John that all these safeties in the league – Gibril Wilson, Mike Huff, Roy Williams, you know why they make so much money? It’s because of John Lynch. Let there be no mistake about it. The league didn’t even respect the position before John Lynch came. We are all indebted to John. This is taking me by surprise and I'm sorry to hear he decided to leave, but I wish him nothing but the best.”

"I can understand his frustration,'' said Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey. "He’s such a competitor with a lot of pride. I can understand where he’s coming from. One thing about John, he’s such an honest guy and honest player you’ve got to respect his decisions. He always knows what’s important – his family, his career and his team. It’s always in that order. You’ve got to respect that.

Lynch spent 11 seasons with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before signing with the Broncos. He was named to a Pro Bowl – this year as an injury replacement for Colts' safety Bob Sanders – in each of his four seasons with the Broncos.

But the Broncos, who had taken Lynch off the field on passing downs in several games during the 2007 season, have seemingly moved on to other players at safety with the change in defensive scheme. And Lynch knew it was going to be a competition, having publicly said in the weeks leading up to training camp that he may have to "change some people's minds'' to play as much as he had in the past in Denver.

The team also asked him to take a pay cut in February and after being very close to leaving the team – he said he had a statement already composed announcing his departure – he signed a one year deal after an 11th-hour discussion with Broncos owner Pat Bowlen.

"I'm kind of shocked right now,'' Abdullah said. "This wasn’t the news I was expecting . . . but it’s going to definitely be a big void. You don’t replace John Lynch, a guy like that. You’ve just kind of got to do it by committee and hope the guys get behind some of the leaders that are already here in Champ (Bailey), and D.J (Williams). It’s going to be tough.''

When camp opened both Shanahan and defensive coordinator Bob Slowik gave their assessment of Lynch's chance to be a starter.

Shanahan said last week;

"I sat down and talked to John at the end of our OTAs and I think John knows as you get older there are no promises . . . John doesn't want any free lunches, he wants to go out there and compete. He'd like to be an every-down player . . . but that's part of the evaluation process.''

While Slowik had said;

"His chances are just as good as anyone else's chances, you just can't jump to any conclusions . . . we've got to let it unfold.''

Still, as the Broncos exited their afternoon practice Wednesday and began to prepare for their nightly meetings, it was starting to sink in that Lynch would no longer be among them.

"There was no locker room talk,'' said Broncos linebacker Nate Webster, who played with Lynch in Tampa. "There was no rumors going around. So on that note, he handled it as a professional. It’s still a surprise to me and a bit of blow because me and John go back. . . . But Johnny’s Johnny. And he felt like he did what he had to do.”

[Bronco9798]

Witness The Mississippi Clown Capers as an example.

Let's not get started on him. Him and his BS have been on my screen on TV the last week. He needs to take his stuff elsewhere. Maybe he should focus on retiring and promoting his wife and her book.

[ChampWJ]

ok i have been completely blind to whats going on here. I just saw on NFLN that lynch isnt going to play for the broncos anymore and isnt nessacerrily retiring.

Whats going on here?




PS- i am sure this has been posted somehwere in here but i didnt want to read through 12 pages of post to find out.

All you missed was people saying Lynch is classless, not a leader, and didn't deserve going to the last few pro-bowls because it's nothing but a popularity contest. Basically your normal BS. :laugh:

[Timmy!]

My sources are telling me Denver is going to release him soon.

Bief, your sources have been extremely reliable. Can they tell me what I'll be doing in 5 years? :D

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I've said several times in this thread that his game is not the same as it used to be. You must have missed that though being too caught up bashing his leadership and class. :rolleyes:

At least the Broncos have someone else ready to step right in and do a better job than Lynch could do even with his declining skill.

...........Oh wait, they don't.

The guy is mad because he is not starting. You Bronco fans ripped Walker for being jealous of his teammate. WHy does Lynch get special treatment? Ian Gold who was just handed jobs was ripped also... And look around nobody is really ripping Lynch there just being realistic admitting that he is finished as a player. Lynch quit on this team because we wont let him start? Im suppose to jump on that train? :confused:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Lynch should not play for anybody else because he cant. Better to retire healthy and get in NFL network or become a coach on this team.

[BeefStew25]

Bief, your sources have been extremely reliable. Can they tell me what I'll be doing in 5 years? :D

I am getting unconfirmed reports you will be dealing with Gentleman Jack mixed with Diet Tab.

[ChampWJ]

The guy is mad because he is not starting. You Bronco fans ripped Walker for being jealous of his teammate. WHy does Lynch get special treatment? Ian Gold who was just handed jobs was ripped also... And look around nobody is really ripping Lynch there just being realistic admitting that he is finished as a player. Lynch quit on this team because we wont let him start? Im suppose to jump on that train? :confused:

Walker was a prima-donna thug. Gold didn't have near the storied career Lynch did and was never as effective a player or respected league-wide for leadership. Lynch gets special treatment because he's earned it through his actions on and off the field for the last 15 years. I can't believe some people here can't see his contribution to the league and the cities of Tampa and Denver. For him to be disrespected like this really makes me sorry to be associated with some "fans".

Lynch doesn't know the meaning of the word quit. Why should he continue to give a team 110% of his aging body when he felt the team wasn't really giving him a fair shake. I do not fault him at all for wanting to explore other options.

[underrated29]

holy sht. I didnt see that one comming!


Crap!

I really hope he doesnt sign on with anyone within the division. I would prefer if he does continue football its back with the bucs.

He defintily was a class act, on and off, and especially in the community. He did all his community stuff almost immediatley when we signed him. Not many do that.

John- keep the legacy alive and hang em up or go back to the bucs. You might not have deserved the last probowl, but still are one heck of a leader and player and the broncos and fans will miss everything you did.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

holy sht. I didnt see that one comming!


Crap!

I really hope he doesnt sign on with anyone within the division. I would prefer if he does continue football its back with the bucs.

He defintily was a class act, on and off, and especially in the community. He did all his community stuff almost immediatley when we signed him. Not many do that.

John- keep the legacy alive and hang em up or go back to the bucs. You might not have deserved the last probowl, but still are one heck of a leader and player and the broncos and fans will miss everything you did.


I hope he does sign with somebody we play twice. Anything a team could get weaker at a position thats a rival is good news.

[topscribe]

" 'I have nothing but respect for John,' McCree said. 'It’s because of John that
all these safeties in the league – Gibril Wilson, Mike Huff, Roy Williams, you
know why they make so much money? It’s because of John Lynch. Let there
be no mistake about it. The league didn’t even respect the position before
John Lynch came. We are all indebted to John. This is taking me by surprise
and I'm sorry to hear he decided to leave, but I wish him nothing but the
best.' "

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/30/broncos-lynch-misses-practice/

Thank you for four superlative years, John Lynch. :salute:

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[BeefStew25]

I hope he does sign with somebody we play twice. Anything a team could get weaker at a position thats a rival is good news.

That honestly is extremely valid. Pass on first downs.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Walker was a prima-donna thug. Gold didn't have near the storied career Lynch did and was never as effective a player or respected league-wide for leadership. Lynch gets special treatment because he's earned it through his actions on and off the field for the last 15 years. I can't believe some people here can't see his contribution to the league and the cities of Tampa and Denver. For him to be disrespected like this really makes me sorry to be associated with some "fans".

Lynch doesn't know the meaning of the word quit. Why should he continue to give a team 110% of his aging body when he felt the team wasn't really giving him a fair shake. I do not fault him at all for wanting to explore other options.

Ohhh only when your a special player with a big name do you get to hang around even when your not effective.:coffee::rolleyes:, Gold and Walkers jealousy does not count because they were thugs with no names.:coffee:

[ChampWJ]

I hope he does sign with somebody we play twice. Anything a team could get weaker at a position thats a rival is good news.

I'm out of this thread. Can't stand to read any more ridiculous posts like this. Learn a little respect for the game.

:banghead:

[broncogirl7]

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to the Chargers.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

That honestly is extremely valid. Pass on first downs.

Just like they did last year.. Tight ends were running wild on Denver last year.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I'm out of this thread. Can't stand to read any more ridiculous posts like this. Learn a little respect for the game.

:banghead:

Lol @ the smiley. Im sorry we could not agree. Respect :salute:

[Nature Boy]

Too bad John Lynch couldn't stay on as only the short yardage safety. He really wasn't more than just the 4th linebacker on any defensive set. I guess we just don't have the roster spot for a specialized, one dimensional defensive player and I'm sure John Lynch did not opt for a 16th season only to be a seldom used sidelines rah rah man-cheer leader.

Hopefully one of the safeties and Niko will be able to fill the void that Al Wilson and John Lynch held in the middle of the field. 2-3 years ago, an opposing WR thought twice about going across the middle of the Broncos defense, I don't think that will be the case this year.

At the same time, we wont have to see John Lynch get blown by in a crossing route by a Reggie Wayne or a Marvin Harrison.

All in all, I think the departure of John Lynch is a positive for both sides. The Broncos will start a more versatile safety while John Lynch is able to move to a new team, likely SD, his hometown, where he'll see more playing time this coming season and who knows, maybe the next.

Good Luck to John Lynch, he was a great Bronco while he was here.

[BroncoWave]

He should have retired a year or 2 ago IMO. His leadership will be missed but he's pretty much been a non-factor on the field the past couple of years. It'll be nice to have a fresh face playing safety.

And before someone brings up the "but look at all the pro bowls he made with us" argument, that is nothing more than a popularity contest.

[BeefStew25]

He should have retired a year or 2 ago IMO. His leadership will be missed but he's pretty much been a non-factor on the field the past couple of years. It'll be nice to have a fresh face playing safety.

And before someone brings up the "but look at all the pro bowls he made with us" argument, that is nothing more than a popularity contest.

Oh, dude, you are soooo banned.

[BroncoWave]

Oh, dude, you are soooo banned.

Yeah, I should turn in my fan card for being objective! :D

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

He should have retired a year or 2 ago IMO. His leadership will be missed but he's pretty much been a non-factor on the field the past couple of years. It'll be nice to have a fresh face playing safety.

And before someone brings up the "but look at all the pro bowls he made with us" argument, that is nothing more than a popularity contest.

Goodluck after making a post like that. Were all suppose to expect players to play into there late 80s before being washed up physically.

[BroncoWave]

Goodluck after making a post like that. Were all suppose to expect players to play into there late 80s before being washed up physically.

Where did I say I expected him to play well at this age? I simply stated that he hasn't played well the last couple of years, therefore he should have retired or we should have gone in a different direction.

[underrated29]

Lynch biggest asset for our team was leadership, his biggest weakness as already been discussed is pass coverage.

But in between that he is excellent in run support and also good at diognosing plays, and at blitzing. Yeah he needs to hang them up, but their are still more positives than negatives i see.

So being on a division rival i dont think is good at all. Plus the team can pick his brain about what we do and like to do on offense and defense etc.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I said for a while that I didn't expect him to be anything more than a role player this year, and he could be a surprise camp exit. John was nothing but a leader on and off the field and a standout man in the community who encouraged youth to do the best they could in sports and in the classroom. John, I hope you find what you're looking for in life -- whether it's going on for another Super Bowl ring or retiring.

Hall of Fame for John Lynch. :salute:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Where did I say I expected him to play well at this age? I simply stated that he hasn't played well the last couple of years, therefore he should have retired or we should have gone in a different direction.

Its called sarcasm.

[BroncoWave]

Its called sarcasm.

My bad. I haven't read through the thread so I didn't see your stance on the matter. Perhaps you should include a smiley in your posts when you are being sarcastic! :D

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

My bad. I haven't read through the thread so I didn't see your stance on the matter. Perhaps you should include a smiley in your posts when you are being sarcastic! :D

Oh true thanks for the tip, Ill keep that in mind. :lol:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Testing my new sig...please continue

[pnbronco]

Wow, I really didn't see this.

Thank you John for all your hard work, the total class you have been on and off the field. I will so miss you. I wish you only the very, very best, please take care.

[topscribe]

" 'I'm kind of shocked right now,' Abdullah said. 'This wasn’t the news I was
expecting . . . but it’s going to definitely be a big void. You don’t replace
John Lynch, a guy like that. You’ve just kind of got to do it by committee
and hope the guys get behind some of the leaders that are already here in
Champ (Bailey), and D.J (Williams). It’s going to be tough.' "

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/30/broncos-lynch-misses-practice/


Of course, these guys are not as knowledgeable as some of our posters here.

We must keep that in mind . . .

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[SmilinAssasSin27]

" 'I'm kind of shocked right now,' Abdullah said. 'This wasn’t the news I was
expecting . . . but it’s going to definitely be a big void. You don’t replace
John Lynch, a guy like that. You’ve just kind of got to do it by committee
and hope the guys get behind some of the leaders that are already here in
Champ (Bailey), and D.J (Williams). It’s going to be tough.' "

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/30/broncos-lynch-misses-practice/


Of course, these guys are not as knowledgeable as some of our posters here.

We must keep that in mind . . .

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And player never "say the right thing."

[BroncoWave]

" 'I'm kind of shocked right now,' Abdullah said. 'This wasn’t the news I was
expecting . . . but it’s going to definitely be a big void. You don’t replace
John Lynch, a guy like that. You’ve just kind of got to do it by committee
and hope the guys get behind some of the leaders that are already here in
Champ (Bailey), and D.J (Williams). It’s going to be tough.' "

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/30/broncos-lynch-misses-practice/


Of course, these guys are not as knowledgeable as some of our posters here.

We must keep that in mind . . .

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What are they supposed to say to the media? He sucked and we're glad he's gone? Of course they are going to say what they said.

[topscribe]

What are they supposed to say to the media? He sucked and we're glad he's gone? Of course they are going to say what they said.

Oh, I see. Hamza said all that for the sake of the media.

Couldn't simply say something like he'll be missed.

Nope.

He had to go and say all that.

Makes sense.

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[Nature Boy]

He should have retired a year or 2 ago IMO. His leadership will be missed but he's pretty much been a non-factor on the field the past couple of years. It'll be nice to have a fresh face playing safety.

And before someone brings up the "but look at all the pro bowls he made with us" argument, that is nothing more than a popularity contest.


I think it was only this year that Lynch's game noticeably dropped but then again, the whole defense sucked so John Lynch's game suffered. Lynch was never able to cover anyone so that's not something he just came down with due to old age.

Bottom line, the Broncos just want to go with a more versatile younger, faster safety. Not a 4th linebacker playing safety.

[Chidoze]

Testing my new sig...please continue
I'm glad you did......:drool::faint:

Back on topic, I am in disbelief right now. I've gotten used to seeing 47 out there......

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I think Abdullah's exactly right. Maybe not as much in his play, (with others stepping up) but what he meant on this team as far as leadership and being a veteran presence that people respected, admired and molded themselves after will be hard to make up for. There aren't many John Lynch's in the NFL; and regardless of how anyone viewed his play (he did go to four Pro-Bowl, every year with us -- if he deserved them can be debated in another thread.) his leadership and presence on the field won us football games and helped give the defense some identity.

I know I ragged on John the past year or so for some poor play from time to time, but he was still a good player for us -- and he gave it all every day. He's a true student of the game and a consummate professional. He might have not had the impact Rod Smith had on this organization, but they're two peas in a pod as far as what their leadership and actions on and off the field meant to the team week in and week out.

The NFL needs more Lynch's and Smith's -- and it certainly hurts to see two of our biggest leaders go.

Nobody can argue against that; but let's certainly hope we have some other people ready to fill their shoes.

[Timmy!]

I think Abdullah's exactly right. Maybe not as much in his play, (with others stepping up) but what he meant on this team as far as leadership and being a veteran presence that people respected, admired and molded themselves after will be hard to make up for. There aren't many John Lynch's in the NFL; and regardless of how anyone viewed his play (he did go to four Pro-Bowl, every year with us -- if he deserved them can be debated in another thread.) his leadership and presence on the field won us football games and helped give the defense some identity.

I know I ragged on John the past year or so for some poor play from time to time, but he was still a good player for us -- and he gave it all every day. He's a true student of the game and a consummate professional. He might have not had the impact Rod Smith had on this organization, but they're two peas in a pod as far as what their leadership and actions on and off the field meant to the team week in and week out.

The NFL needs more Lynch's and Smith's -- and it certainly hurts to see two of our biggest leaders go.

Nobody can argue against that; but let's certainly hope we have some other people ready to fill their shoes.

Best post of the entire thread.

[Watchthemiddle]

So who is it going to be now? DJ? Champ? Cutler? Who is going to lead?

Lynch is gone, Rod is gone........

Two HUGE leaders on this team are gone. With the absence of Rod and Lynch, we got younger but lost a whole lot of brains, leadership, and experience to go along with it.

I hope the young guys on this team payed attention to what these two brought in the locker room and on the field because this team needs some serious leadership now.

[honz]

John you may have lost a step in your old age and I may have ragged on you a bit in the past couple of years, but there is no denying that you are a class act on and off the field. You are a true role model and I have always respected the way you always gave it your all. You will be missed by many fans and I'm sure you will be missed in the locker room as well...good luck in whatever you do next.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Lead by example works for me.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Plus the plays come in through the helmets now and the system everybody has down packed. Its not a problem

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Plus the plays come in through the helmets now and the system everybody has down packed. Its not a problem

Not so sure everybody has the system down - we have a new defensive coordinator, and that usually means new system. Not sure how everybody could have it down with this being the first week of training camp :confused:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Not so sure everybody has the system down - we have a new defensive coordinator, and that usually means new system. Not sure how everybody could have it down with this being the first week of training camp :confused:

Then you havent been paying attention to what the players have been saying all off season. The termonology all of them have caught on with, There all comfortable with the scheme, They all been saying there nomore thinking because things are much more simplified being that they are only responsible for there gaps. They have it all down packed. Only thing left to do is show up on gameday.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Plus the plays come in through the helmets now and the system everybody has down packed. Its not a problem

Yo dude. . . the plays coming in to everyone defensively doesn't change the fact that #80 and #47, two of the NFL's most respected players in recent memory -- [perhaps over the past decade] won't be in the locker room before, during and after games this year. Yeah, Rod is expected to take a job in some capacity, but we lost a lot of belly fire with these two departures.

All the technological advances in the world, [and the ease of being on the same page] cannot heal the losses of leadership and intangibles through the departures of Smith and Lynch.

Those were captains on our team, and two of the biggest identities over the past several years in Denver. We lost Elam as well. We have leaders in Nalen, Champ and I believe Cutler (due to articles last year) -- but losing these guys just hurt for a myriad of reasons. I'm still a young fan in comparison to some guys like Top and company on the boards, and I'm sure they understand this a lot more than me; but man it hurts losing players like this.

I don't have the merits like Adbullah and the rest of the team to say it, but if they say it hurts in some capacity, I'll take their word for it -- considering they're surrounded by these guy(s) day in and day out.

Side note: I see WTM and I have saluted eachother a few times, and that rarely happens. Me thinks we're both onto something. :hug:

[Watchthemiddle]

Plus the plays come in through the helmets now and the system everybody has down packed. Its not a problem

Well the plays only come into one player on the field, probably the MLB, so thats pretty irrelavant with losing a leader and role model on and off the field.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Then you havent been paying attention to what the players have been saying all off season. The termonology all of them have caught on with, There all comfortable with the scheme, They all been saying there nomore thinking because things are much more simplified being that they are only responsible for there gaps. They have it all down packed. Only thing left to do is show up on gameday.

Well, guess we might as well shut down training camp then - don't need it. They can just sit back and wait for the first game.

[Watchthemiddle]

Well, guess we might as well shut down training camp then - don't need it. They can just sit back and wait for the first game.

Ah man, and I was going to go one day next week. Guess I will just have to wait till next year. :tsk:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Not so sure everybody has the system down - we have a new defensive coordinator, and that usually means new system. Not sure how everybody could have it down with this being the first week of training camp :confused:

Oh and they didnt have all the OTAs for nothing.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Yo dude. . . the plays coming in to everyone defensively doesn't change the fact that #80 and #47, two of the NFL's most respected players in recent memory -- [perhaps over the past decade] won't be in the locker room before, during and after games this year. Yeah, Rod is expected to take a job in some capacity, but we lost a lot of belly fire with these two departures.

All the technological advances in the world, [and the ease of being on the same page] cannot heal the losses of leadership and intangibles through the departures of Smith and Lynch.

Those were captains on our team, and two of the biggest identities over the past several years in Denver. We lost Elam as well. We have leaders in Nalen, Champ and I believe Cutler (due to articles last year) -- but losing these guys just hurt for a myriad of reasons. I'm still a young fan in comparison to some guys like Top and company on the boards, and I'm sure they understand this a lot more than me; but man it hurts losing players like this.

I don't have the merits like Adbullah and the rest of the team to say it, but if they say it hurts in some capacity, I'll take their word for it -- considering they're surrounded by these guy(s) day in and day out.

Side note: I see WTM and I have saluted eachother a few times, and that rarely happens. Me thinks we're both onto something. :hug:

Well the fact remains the same, Players come and players go. New leaders are born.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Well, guess we might as well shut down training camp then - don't need it. They can just sit back and wait for the first game.

What sense would that make?

[Timmy!]

Guys, guys, relax. Jwa.....err...CR is a football expert and genius with several inside sources within the Broncos organization. If he says everything is fine, it's fine. Everybody knows players learn and perfect a new defensive scheme before they even play a preseason game. Don't worry about the fact that we have several new players playing together for the first time as well, they are all a perfect fit. To think otherwise is just retarded. They have it down packed. They just have to show up on game day and we'll be 14-2.

*cough*

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Oh and Rods sticking around.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Guys, guys, relax. Jwa.....err...CR is a football expert and genius with several inside sources within the Broncos organization. If he says everything is fine, it's fine. Everybody knows players learn and perfect a new defensive scheme before they even play a preseason game. Don't worry about the fact that we have several new players playing together for the first time as well, they are all a perfect fit. To think otherwise is just retarded. They have it down packed. They just have to show up on game day and we'll be 14-2.

*cough*

Your sarcasm does not change the fact that they all love the new system, Does not change the fact that they all are saying they have learned the new system, Does not change the fact that last year around this time the whole defense was confused. If you call players comments inside sources then maybe you should start reading and listening to the interviews so that you would have the same inside sources.:coffee:

[Davii]

Your sarcasm does not change the fact that they all love the new system, Does not change the fact that they all are saying they have learned the new system, Does not change the fact that last year around this time the whole defense was confused. If you call players comments inside sources then maybe you should start reading and listening to the interviews so that you would have the same inside sources.:coffee:

Nor does it change the fact that we heard mostly the same thing last year.

It's Training camp, i'll wait and see how they perform against other teams.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Nor does it change the fact that we heard mostly the same thing last year.

It's Training camp, i'll wait and see how they perform against other teams.

Around this time last year it was all " Were just trying to learn the system and gel" No smiles, No having fun, Nobody was comfortable in that 2 gap system. :coffee: Who was exactly comfortable around this time last year again though?

[Timmy!]

Your sarcasm does not change the fact that they all love the new system, Does not change the fact that they all are saying they have learned the new system, Does not change the fact that last year around this time the whole defense was confused. If you call players comments inside sources then maybe you should start reading and listening to the interviews so that you would have the same inside sources.:coffee:

http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-shitz/pot-kettle-black.jpg

You only listen to player comments when they suit your opinion, go ahead and go back a couple pages and read the players comments on Lynch. :rolleyes:

I'll agree with you that they seem to be a lot happier with the new system and seem to be catching on quickly. We both knows Bates system was retarded and didn't play to the strength of our defense. However, you make it sound as if the Broncos have no need for training camp, preseason, or anything else. That they are ready, right now, to play anybody and will dominate defensively. Whether that's your intention, that's how you come off, I'd put $$ on that it's just not me that feels this way.

[Timmy!]

Well bed time for me, I've ran my post count up enough in this thread. Have a good night Bronco fans (even you CR).

:goodnight:

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-shitz/pot-kettle-black.jpg

You only listen to player comments when they suit your opinion, go ahead and go back a couple pages and read the players comments on Lynch. :rolleyes:

I'll agree with you that they seem to be a lot happier with the new system and seem to be catching on quickly. We both knows Bates system was retarded and didn't play to the strength of our defense. However, you make it sound as if the Broncos have no need for training camp, preseason, or anything else. That they are ready, right now, to play anybody and will dominate defensively. Whether that's your intention, that's how you come off, I'd put $$ on that it's just not me that feels this way.

Why would your interpretation of my words mean they dont need practice? Its common sense that practice makes perfect. I have read everything Bronco related from the players. The positives and the negatives. I havent seen a team this happy and excited in years. The chemistry is amazing they have with each other. Thats what happens when your great coach creates a competition/Friendly environment with high character guys. The players who commented on Lynch said what they should have said. He will be missed as a person but not on the field. Still he quit on the team though just because hes not being handed the starting job.:coffee: Our team is about competing from this year on out. Thats the Era it is in Denver now. If your not competing then you have no place on this team.

[Broncos Mtnman]

Someone said that he might go to SD?

Please, oh please go. I can see 4 TDs to Scheffler and Graham in my dreams right now.

SD is going DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN!!

:coffee:

[Northman]

Someone said that he might go to SD?

Please, oh please go. I can see 4 TDs to Scheffler and Graham in my dreams right now.

SD is going DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN!!

:coffee:


Sounds like (if true) that John is trying to catch another train to a Super Bowl by picking a team who is close. He would probably be smarter though going to New England or Indy though.

[topscribe]

Someone said that he might go to SD?

Please, oh please go. I can see 4 TDs to Scheffler and Graham in my dreams right now.

SD is going DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN!!

:coffee:

:lol: Well, Scheffler, maybe. Graham's going to have to learn better separation.









*Oh my, did I just start another controversy?* :shocked:





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[tomjonesrocks]

Wow--I find this disappointing news. Loved Lynch's hard-nosed play and great off the field as well. I'm all for a youth movement and looking to the future, but if Lynch wasn't going to be with the club, safety should have been prioritized more in the draft. Weren't we thin at safety even *with* Lynch on the roster?

Talk about a year in transition.

Ay yai yai...