Denver must find Foxworth's value

[Italianmobstr7]

http://www.gazette.com/sports/value_38720___article.html/denver_englewood.html

FRANK SCHWAB, THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD • Domonique Foxworth is playing like he’s planning to be a rich man sometime in the next year.

The Denver Broncos cornerback is having a great camp. On Monday, he jumped in front of quarterback Patrick Ramsey’s pass to receiver Cliff Russell and sprinted the other way with an interception. When a couple of offensive players started chasing him, he took it the entire 90 yards to the end zone.
Foxworth was a restricted free agent this offseason, and he is playing on a one-year contract. He can become an unrestricted free agent next year, and admitted that he has thought about that.

“I’d be lying if I said it’s not on my mind, at least some,” Foxworth said. “I love it here, I’d like to stay. I guess right now, and after the season is over, is the time to think about those things.”

Foxworth isn’t quite sure what to make of his situation. He was drafted in 2005 but hasn’t cracked the starting lineup. He hasn’t been given a contract extension. He said he would be willing to sign an extension and forgo free agency if given the right offer, but that hasn’t happened.
“I would have liked to have gotten a contract extension a while ago,” Foxworth said. “I felt like I showed some things I can do, but apparently I haven’t shown enough.”

Foxworth said his situation and his spot on the depth chart have motivated him every morning of training camp. He said a couple of times that he doesn’t feel disrespected by the Broncos, but judging by his play he is out to prove something.

A conversation with coach Mike Shanahan this offseason has fueled him as well. Foxworth said he spoke with Shanahan about his role, which has been as a third cornerback behind Champ Bailey and Dre Bly. Foxworth also played out of position at safety for the latter part of the 2006 season and some last season. Shanahan promised him the best 11 players on defense will play, and

Foxworth said he has taken that as a challenge.
Champ Bailey isn’t going anywhere at the left cornerback spot, so if Foxworth does break into the starting lineup, it would be ahead of Bly. Foxworth was complimentary of Bly, reminding everyone that he has been to a couple of Pro Bowls, and he knows it will be tough to unseat him.

“Clearly they’re telling me I haven’t done enough, based on who started last year and how much playing time I got,” Foxworth said. “Apparently I haven’t done enough so far in camp. I’m still with the second group. So I haven’t done enough.”

Foxworth has drawn Shanahan’s attention during camp, which can’t hurt.
“‘Foxy’ has had a great camp and great (offseason camp practices), and that is what we are looking for: guys that step up and get better,” Shanahan said. “‘Foxy’ has done that and helped himself.”

[Shazam!]

Nice read. I like Foxy. Though a bit undersized he's fast and follows assignments well. I thought after DWill's death they should have made him the Starter opposite Champ.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I'd like for him to re-sign here as well, cornerback depth never hurts and he's a guy who can certainly start if need be. His leadership and work ethic are to be admired. You need people like him on your team on and off the field, especially in the community.

[Drill-N-Fill]

I like both Bly and Foxy. But when you look at how much money you are handing out to the two players, you have to consider if Bly is that much better than foxy to warrant a boat load of cash.

I'm all ready to see Bly's check go towards the o-line/d-line. I believe if Fox is handed and earned the starting job, he would take less to stay next year.

[Hobe]

Foxy wants to be a starter and he could start on many of the teams in the league right now. I can't see him staying if he isn't starting. I just hope they don't trade him. I'm looking forward the a nickel package with Champ, Bly, and Foxy.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Foxworth is a starting CB in this league. We would be stupid to not resign him as the year goes on. We have our 3 future CBs when Bly and Bailey are done in Foxwroth,Payhmah and Jack Williams.

[Italianmobstr7]

I agree with you guys. Shouldn't let Foxy go. I really hope we can get him to re-sign with us, even if it means that Bly leaves after this season. Don't get me wrong here. I like Bly, but Foxy is younger, and if he's just as good as Bly or close to it, he'll come at a much cheaper price. Not only is Foxy a good player, but he's a good person as well. Exactly the kind of character that we need on our team.

[Simple Jaded]

Foxworth looked damn good on Friday and apparently he's kept it going throughout practices so far, but he has to prove he can be a starter throughout the season.

When the Broncos have left him at CB he's shown flashes of ability, he really struggled last year though and he still has a lot to prove, imo.

His performance thus far in preseason means nothing if he continues to play soft/Chickenshit in regular season play.

If Foxworth does prove to be a starter this season, Bly is a goner this time next year, if he doesn't......he's a goner.

I'll believe the Hype when I see it......

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I agree with you guys. Shouldn't let Foxy go. I really hope we can get him to re-sign with us, even if it means that Bly leaves after this season. Don't get me wrong here. I like Bly, but Foxy is younger, and if he's just as good as Bly or close to it, he'll come at a much cheaper price. Not only is Foxy a good player, but he's a good person as well. Exactly the kind of character that we need on our team.

Sounds good, provided Bly can be replaced by a competent CB if and when
he leaves. The Broncos have five in Champ, Bly, Foxy, Paymah, and Williams
(well, they have Lamont Reid and Christian Morton, but they're unknown to
me), which is what they want. Four are not enough, as they found last year.

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[WARHORSE]

In defense of Foxworths play last year, I think him switching in and out at safety, along with all the schemantics (my word) that were going on with Bates defensively flawed system, contributed not only to his subpar play, but also Champs.......Blys......and the entire defenses.

During his rookie campaign, the man made some plays.

Lets let him develop, and give him the value that he has earned, whatever that may be.

At a minimum, we know that he has very high character, and he loves Denver.

Lets leave it that way.

[Simple Jaded]

In defense of Foxworths play last year, I think him switching in and out at safety, along with all the schemantics (my word) that were going on with Bates defensively flawed system, contributed not only to his subpar play, but also Champs.......Blys......and the entire defenses.

During his rookie campaign, the man made some plays.

Lets let him develop, and give him the value that he has earned, whatever that may be.

At a minimum, we know that he has very high character, and he loves Denver.

Lets leave it that way.

I agree, moving him around was a shitty idea to begin with, we can blame that on Bates too while we're at it......

[Shazam!]

I agree with War. I want Foxy to stay too. It's good to have homegrown guys who love Denver.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

The problem is asking costs. I'm sure he wants to start, so you'll have to give him starter's money. Bailey is due for another contract sometime, and deservingly so. Bly also has a decent sized cap hit (I think around seven million dollars) this next year too -- and has a lot more of his 30-million something deal on the way, IIRC. Do we necessarily want to saturate our salary cap with so many big numbers at one position, especially with DJ Williams and several other key younger players coming up for new contracts in the next two years? As long as it's reasonable for the team, absolutely -- but I just worry about contract saturation. I want him here, I hope he's here, but I just have a gut feeling he'll be going elsewhere. *sigh*

[gobroncsnv]

Well, if our dline can improve, Foxy will too.
I see us keeping Foxy and letting Dre go, perhaps next year. Foxy seems to be holding his own much better than the past few years, at least the way I read the reports. What will it be like to have a homegrown player in the DB's? It would seem insanity to let him walk now that his play is beginning to stand out some.

[underrated29]

alright, I dont know why all the hating on bly is still around but lets face it.

'Nique ( he hates foxy) will not unseat dre bly this year or next. Dre is not going anywhere people. Dre is extremly fast and deadly with the ball in his hands. He also is better in coverage and forces tons and tons of fumbles. And as we have seen can return punts and kicks and field goals.

Dre even at his age still has it and unfortunately for fox that means taking a back seat at playing and at a contract extension.

Dont get me wrong i like nique a lot, but I havent been too impressed with his play, for a while there i actually like paymah better. Of course his new play and attitude can change all that. Still i dont see him taking dre's spot anytime soon.

[omac]

Foxy's all class. I hope he can start on a team sometime.

I was wondering ... who would he be comparable to, given the starting CBs in the league, skill or talent wise? Hobbs?

[underrated29]

id say a smarter deltha oniel with less ability for the int.

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id say a smarter deltha oniel with less ability for the int.

I'm not so sure about that, either.

It's my understanding Foxy has nabbed a few INTs already in camp . . .

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[omac]

Do you think he can supplant any other team's #2s? I guess the danger part was that teams could've had him for not very much, yet they didn't make an offer.

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Do you think he can supplant any other team's #2s? I guess the danger part was that teams could've had him for not very much, yet they didn't make an offer.

I'll tell you how I feel, and how I've felt since I first saw Foxy in blue & orange:

I think he is developing to the point where he can supplant many teams' number ones.

From what I understand, he is threatening the job of a two-time Pro Bowler right now . . .

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[underrated29]

wow here is a role reversal.

Usually i am the most optomistic one and topper is the more level.

I dont see that fox is pushing dre for #2 as much as some others. YEs he is having a great camp and hopefully he can push dre for #2..That would be GREAT! sadly i dont think it will happen.

And I strongly oppose that he could challenge most teams #1's. I dont see that at all. None of his plays (and he has had some real good ones) show me he is ready for that role.

Lets hope he can do it- I guess we will see in preseason game numero uno!

If he cant hold of andre davis, who is a low class #2 wr or ________ the texans #3wr than he might need more learning to do, or worse but not unlikely a career as a SOLID backup and #3 cb.

He should be able to ace out a #3- but a good #2 i am just not sure yet.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I don't really like the Deltha O'Neal comparison at all.

Mine would be R.W. McQuarters, when he was younger and with the Bears. I'd say that's a favorable comparison. Especially if you look at how they do in man and zone coverages; and their approach to tackling and the run game.

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wow here is a role reversal.

Usually i am the most optomistic one and topper is the more level.

I dont see that fox is pushing dre for #2 as much as some others. YEs he is having a great camp and hopefully he can push dre for #2..That would be GREAT! sadly i dont think it will happen.

And I strongly oppose that he could challenge most teams #1's. I dont see that at all. None of his plays (and he has had some real good ones) show me he is ready for that role.

Lets hope he can do it- I guess we will see in preseason game numero uno!

If he cant hold of andre davis, who is a low class #2 wr or ________ the texans #3wr than he might need more learning to do, or worse but not unlikely a career as a SOLID backup and #3 cb.

He should be able to ace out a #3- but a good #2 i am just not sure yet.

Okay. First, we had a different concept of #1's. You were apparently
thinking the top CB on the team, and I was thinking of the two starters
being #1's. So let me qualify it a bit: I think he is getting to the point
where he could start for several teams. In fact, if he does succeed in
beating out Bly (and he obviously thinks he can), then I know he can.
If he can start for the best team in the league at CB, then he can start
a lot of places.

IMHO.

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[Spider]

Didnt want him to go , but there is only 1 guy on d that cant be replaced .Bailey

[Requiem / The Dagda]

I think Foxworth is a starter too, but I don't know if I share Top's optimism about him beating out Bly. Heck, I think if the rumors about us going to a 4-3 Over/Under scheme (Tampa 2) -- he might actually be a better option than Bly due to the necessity of stronger run support by cornerbacks in such a system. Bly complained about this sort of system in Detroit, and I don't know if he'd be happy about it here. Time will tell.

I don't think that Foxworth or Bly are sound tacklers (especially Bly, he's pathetic -- but aggressive) -- but I think Foxworth has the one up on him in that regard. At either case, it's great to have three quality cornerbacks on the roster with adequate depth. That's the one thing I will always agree with Top's insight on. You can never have enough good corners.

[Simple Jaded]

The news of Foxworth's performance so far is encouraging, but if any teams thought he could challenge their No1 corners right now, he'd be doing so right now!

He was rumored to be on the market for as low as a 4th round pick, so any team that thought he could challenge their starters could have had him.

Foxworth is apparently stepping up to the challenge, I've seen it with my own two eyes, but I'm going to remain skeptical until he proves this isn't just another flash of ability.

I'm waiting to see if he is still afraid to tackle Dwayne Bowe, for example, before I get carried away with all this 5-pre-season-practice-fed-Hype......

[Spider]

actually I wanted Bly to go ....... That guy is so scared of a hit ,hen his wife doubles up her fist , he hits the floor .......
Bly got good cover skills but he sucks in run support .......
i dont know if you guys ever heard of Bang ( redskin fan but cool ) did a cartoon skit about dion sanders tackling skills .........reminds me of Bly

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I think Foxworth is a starter too, but I don't know if I share Top's optimism about him beating out Bly. Heck, I think if the rumors about us going to a 4-3 Over/Under scheme (Tampa 2) -- he might actually be a better option than Bly due to the necessity of stronger run support by cornerbacks in such a system. Bly complained about this sort of system in Detroit, and I don't know if he'd be happy about it here. Time will tell.

I don't think that Foxworth or Bly are sound tacklers (especially Bly, he's pathetic -- but aggressive) -- but I think Foxworth has the one up on him in that regard. At either case, it's great to have three quality cornerbacks on the roster with adequate depth. That's the one thing I will always agree with Top's insight on. You can never have enough good corners.

At this point, I don't have the foggiest whether he can beat out Bly. I am
mostly just going by noises I've heard out of camp, I guess. But I get the
impression even Bly has appeared to pick it up so far (although it's early,
of course). So who knows?

One thing about Foxy: His play at safety last year had to help him with his
tackling.

At any rate, that shapes up to be a very fine corps from top to bottom.
Even Jack Williams is opening some eyes so far, according to reports.

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[topscribe]

The news of Foxworth's performance so far is encouraging, but if he could challenge any teams No1 corner right now, he'd be doing so right now!

He was rumored to be on the market for as low as a 4th round pick, any team that thought he could challenge their starters could have had him.

Foxworth is apparently stepping up to the challenge, I've seen it with my own two eyes, but I'm going to remain skeptical until he proves this isn't just another flash of ability.

I'm waiting to see if he is still afraid to tackle Dwayne Bowe, for example, before I get carried away with all this 5-pre-season-practice-fed-Hype......

Well no, can't agree even a little bit with your first sentence. No way is he,
or any other CB in the league, going to challenge Champ. So he most
definitely would not be challenging the #1 CB right now.

But, as I mentioned in another post, I was talking about being one of the
two starters, not the #1.

But it is in this TC that he is showing signs of excellence. So the #4 draft
choice thingy would not apply to what he is doing right now. And I
understand he is really impressing some folks there so far. But, as we all
know, it's still early, so we'll have to see . . .

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[Simple Jaded]

Well no, can't agree even a little bit with your first sentence. No way is he,
or any other CB in the league, going to challenge Champ. So he most
definitely would not be challenging the #1 CB right now.

But, as I mentioned in another post, I was talking about being one of the
two starters, not the #1.

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I know what you meant Top, I just didn't word my sentence right.

My point is/has always been: If other teams thought he could challenge for a starting job he would be so right now.

There isn't a GM in the league that wouldn't trade a 4th round pick for a starting CornerBack, especially for a quality individual like Dominique Foxworth. Look at what the Cowballs gave up for a Doosh like Adam Jones, and he hasn't proven a damn thing......

[hotcarl]

[QUOTE=Italianmobstr7;326323]http://www.gazette.com/sports/value_38720___article.html/denver_englewood.html

FRANK SCHWAB, THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD • Domonique Foxworth is playing like he’s planning to be a rich man sometime in the next year.

The Denver Broncos cornerback is having a great camp. On Monday, he jumped in front of quarterback Patrick Ramsey’s pass to receiver Cliff Russell and sprinted the other way with an interception. When a couple of offensive players started chasing him, he took it the entire 90 yards to the end zone.
Foxworth was a restricted free agent this offseason, and he is playing on a one-year contract. He can become an unrestricted free agent next year, and admitted that he has thought about killing everyone on his team.

“I’d be lying if I said it’s not on my mind, you know, to kill... at least sometimes,” Foxworth said. “I love it here, I’d like to stay. I guess right now, and after the season is over, is the time to think about murdering my teamates.”

not cool!

it seems like he is more angry then he is letting on in recent interview, please tia

tia
:welcome:

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[quote=Italianmobstr7;326323]http://www.gazette.com/sports/value_38720___article.html/denver_englewood.html

FRANK SCHWAB, THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD • Domonique Foxworth is playing like he’s planning to be a rich man sometime in the next year.

The Denver Broncos cornerback is having a great camp. On Monday, he jumped in front of quarterback Patrick Ramsey’s pass to receiver Cliff Russell and sprinted the other way with an interception. When a couple of offensive players started chasing him, he took it the entire 90 yards to the end zone.
Foxworth was a restricted free agent this offseason, and he is playing on a one-year contract. He can become an unrestricted free agent next year, and admitted that he has thought about killing everyone on his team.

“I’d be lying if I said it’s not on my mind, you know, to kill... at least sometimes,” Foxworth said. “I love it here, I’d like to stay. I guess right now, and after the season is over, is the time to think about murdering my teamates.”

not cool!

it seems like he is more angry then he is letting on in recent interview, please tia

tia
:welcome:

WTH?? :confused:

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[Northman]

Nice read. I like Foxy. Though a bit undersized he's fast and follows assignments well. I thought after DWill's death they should have made him the Starter opposite Champ.

Yea, you and me both. He takes a lot of heat from a lot of fans but i like the kid.

[Lonestar]

I've not read most of the post so if step ons someones toes sorry..

Foxy is a character guy.. one to keep around if the price is right..

Now I find it curious why he seems to think he has to step it up this year (contract year) and not before..

Watch him get beat up on as the #3 or 4 guy or getting moved to safety, did not impress me whatsoever... NOW maybe it has all feel into place, but U think I want to see him against real WR in a regular season game vs TC where they have a real good idea what the plays called are going to be..

Contrary to most believes, I do not think he is a starting quality CB in the NFL.. HE may be a great number three if he has a great DLINE cutting down at risk time..

More to the fact I think he marginally less capable than Bly is.. and if I had to pick between the two he'd get the nod if the contract was 1/3 to 1/2 of what Bly is making..

But I'll bet some moron GM will give him a contract that we can't match.

[Northman]

That article is BS.