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Denver Native (Carol)
08-22-2010, 02:34 PM
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2010/08/22/too-much-to-tweet-jarvis-moss/#more-996

We’ll start with the first play that caught my eye — the pressure that forced a punt on the Lions’ first second-half series.

It was third-and-two. The Lions had Moss singled as he assumed a three-point stance outside the right tackle. When the snap was fired, Moss spun inside right tackle Gosder Cherilus — a first-teamer playing on a mostly second-string line — and forced a hurried Shaun Hill throw. The pass went astray, and the Lions punted for the first time all night.

Fast-forward to the next series. Moss is lined up over left tackle Corey Hilliard, standing up as the Broncos go with two down linemen in a nickel package. Moss comes off the snap as though he’s going to the outside, then cuts back inside Hilliard, who can do nothing more than wave his right arm. Moss accelerates and clobbers Hill. Sack, fumble.

“I was just going full speed, giving good effort,” Moss said. ” Had it been a batted pass and we got off the field I would have been equally as happy as (with a) sack.”

What both of these plays have in common is that Moss didn’t simply use his speed; he made a move. His stride and range helped him finish the plays, but until this summer, it was always his speed that set up his best move — running around a tackle or tight end. Saturday night, he set up his blocker and attacked.

The Lions noticed. On the next defensive series, Moss went back to his outside move, and Detroit’s left guard, Manny Ramirez, came down to help left tackle Jason Fox, whom Moss had beaten. Fox could do little more than yank Moss’s face mask to prevent Hill from being mauled.

This is the Moss the Broncos have always wanted to see.

AT ORGANIZED TEAM ACTIVITIES, teammates and coaches alike raved about Moss, who said he’d doubled his efforts in the weight room and conditioning drills.

But all that is just talk, and I hope you’ll forgive me for not jumping on a bandwagon because someone dominates in non-contact, no-pad drills.

“Good against remotes is one thing; good against the living — that’s something else.”

When I watched Moss at OTAs, that Star Wars quote rattled through my mind. I first heard those words when I was two years old; they’ve stuck for the next 32. Every time I see someone tearing up the field in May and June, the words echo again.

As camp neared, my thoughts on Moss were two-fold. First, I wanted to see him perform in practice — particularly after Elvis Dumervil tore his pectoral muscle, since the fate of the Broncos’ pass rush now partially rested on Moss’s ability to prove he’s more than he’s shown the last three years. Then, I needed to see something in the games.

Part 1 was answered this week. Moss was the best pass rusher on the practice field, and dealt the first-team offense a rare two-minute drill defeat with a 10-yard sack of Kyle Orton that saw him blow around the right edge of the offensive line.

Part 2 came Saturday night.

We’re not at the point where we can proclaim Moss as part of the answer to the Broncos’ pass-rushing issues. Two of those three plays mentioned above came in matchups against second- and third-teamers. But if you’re searching for defensive positives from Saturday’s game, you don’t have to look far — just glance up at the Broncos’ tallest defender.

Northman
08-22-2010, 02:36 PM
We’re not at the point where we can proclaim Moss as part of the answer to the Broncos’ pass-rushing issues. Two of those three plays mentioned above came in matchups against second- and third-teamers.

This is the only important part of this. I cant stress enough how many players look great against other subpar players. If Jarvis wants to be the man, time to show up vs the guys who actually play on Sundays.

broncobryce
08-22-2010, 02:43 PM
"I was just going full speed, giving good effort"

Why the hell weren't you doing this the last 3 seasons? Contract almost up?

smith49
08-22-2010, 03:04 PM
thanks once again for posting this carol. if it wasnt for you posting these articles i would never see them.

i sure hope that moss has decided to use his god given talent at last. it would be really nice to see him live up to what we all hoped he would be when he was drafted. im not going to get too gitty about it just yet, but at least there is a glimmer of hope.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-22-2010, 03:11 PM
"I was just going full speed, giving good effort"

Why the hell weren't you doing this the last 3 seasons? Contract almost up?

Frankly, I don't care as long as he does it this year and fills in some for the injured Doom's production. He can leave next year and try to get paid.

Italianmobstr7
08-22-2010, 03:14 PM
thanks once again for posting this carol. if it wasnt for you posting these articles i would never see them.

i sure hope that moss has decided to use his god given talent at last. it would be really nice to see him live up to what we all hoped he would be when he was drafted. im not going to get too gitty about it just yet, but at least there is a glimmer of hope.

He's doing it because he plays for "straight cash homie." he also plays for "money, nothing else." according to himself on Twitter...

underrated29
08-22-2010, 03:42 PM
He's doing it because he plays for "straight cash homie." he also plays for "money, nothing else." according to himself on Twitter...

yep. look for him to do well until he gets paid. then half ass again.

MadMax
08-22-2010, 04:02 PM
I think everyone's being a little hard on Jarvis here. Fact is, he is too light and way too lanky to play DE in the NFL. His first three seasons that was his position and everything I read about him talked about how hard he was trying to put on weight and it just wasn't happening. At no time was he ever accused of lacking work ethic in any articles I've ever read about him.

Fast-forward to last year, McD comes in and installs a 3-4; Jarvis and Tim Crowder both convert to LB. All the sports journalists write about how his size makes Jarvis an ideal linebacker. After the preseason Jarvis wins out over Crowder due in large part to his play in that final preseason game. I have to imagine that if McD suspected his work ethic he would chosen Crowder instead or cut both of them.

So, his size gives him an excuse for poor play at DE, this is a new position for Jarvis so he has an excuse for not producing last year(hell he wasn't even on the game day roster most of the year). This year he's had time to learn his position, and its a position that fits his size, he has every reason to be looking vastly improved. I think its only coincidence that this is also a contract year.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-22-2010, 04:20 PM
I think everyone's being a little hard on Jarvis here. Fact is, he is too light and way too lanky to play DE in the NFL. His first three seasons that was his position and everything I read about him talked about how hard he was trying to put on weight and it just wasn't happening. At no time was he ever accused of lacking work ethic in any articles I've ever read about him.

Fast-forward to last year, McD comes in and installs a 3-4; Jarvis and Tim Crowder both convert to LB. All the sports journalists write about how his size makes Jarvis an ideal linebacker. After the preseason Jarvis wins out over Crowder due in large part to his play in that final preseason game. I have to imagine that if McD suspected his work ethic he would chosen Crowder instead or cut both of them.

So, his size gives him an excuse for poor play at DE, this is a new position for Jarvis so he has an excuse for not producing last year(hell he wasn't even on the game day roster most of the year). This year he's had time to learn his position, and its a position that fits his size, he has every reason to be looking vastly improved. I think its only coincidence that this is also a contract year.

Always great to get perspective from someone who knows things about a player that we do not :salute: Hopefully Jarvis has a great year.

MadMax
08-22-2010, 05:49 PM
Always great to get perspective from someone who knows things about a player that we do not :salute: Hopefully Jarvis has a great year.

Well, I'm a fan of the gators so I am biased ;), but that's why I've followed him so closely since he was drafted. I just hope things go well for the guy, and consequently our pass rush.

rationalfan
08-22-2010, 06:20 PM
one thing to keep in mind regarding moss: we're only hard on him because he was a first round pick. and with that I add: it's not his fault some coaches/gms rated him higher in the draft process than he deserved.

having said that, it's hard to excuse him almost retiring last year. not cool.

elsid13
08-22-2010, 06:20 PM
He has talent but like some guys in the NFL it takes little more time for him to figure out the NFL game. Lucky for him he was 1st rounder which means teams are more willing to give a chance to develop compared to others drafted later in the draft

Dean
08-22-2010, 08:02 PM
The two things that most pleased me about the game yesterday was Orton's new pocket presence and Moss's QB pressure.

Bosco
08-22-2010, 08:09 PM
having said that, it's hard to excuse him almost retiring last year. not cool. Why is it hard to excuse? The reasoning for that situation was never revealed to my knowledge, and after Josh let him have some personal time he came back, played hard and won a roster spot.

broncobryce
08-22-2010, 08:31 PM
I just thought it was funny, I pictured the question being "What are you doing different?" Jarvis: I am just actually going full speed, not half assing it!":lol:
I have no ill feelings toward the guy.

TXBRONC
08-23-2010, 08:20 AM
one thing to keep in mind regarding moss: we're only hard on him because he was a first round pick. and with that I add: it's not his fault some coaches/gms rated him higher in the draft process than he deserved.

having said that, it's hard to excuse him almost retiring last year. not cool.

I guess I'm not understanding your criticism of Moss. I don't understand why you're still critical of Moss almost retiring. I have no doubt that every person has at one time or another thought about some kind of change for their life but didn't go through with it.