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Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 06:38 AM
I noticed Orton in the shotgun a lot last weekend, virtually half of the passing plays.

It dawned on me that McDaniels may already be tweaking the scheme by adjusting it for Tim Tebow despite Orton being the initial starter?

Could it be?

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08-20-2010, 06:51 AM
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08-20-2010, 07:13 AM
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gator_fan
08-20-2010, 07:25 AM
Could it be?

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Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 07:29 AM
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slim
08-20-2010, 07:52 AM
I don't know.

I have only been a Bronco fan since April.

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 08:13 AM
Last weekend:rolleyes:

Italianmobstr7
08-20-2010, 08:47 AM
Yes he took the majority of his snaps from shotgun last year as well. The offense isn't being tailored around Tebow. This is the same system they ran in NE. When you see a qb rollout like Tebow had last week, that's tailored for Tebow. I don't believe we ran 1 rollout pass play last season.

slim
08-20-2010, 08:50 AM
Yes he took the majority of his snaps from shotgunastbyear as well. The offense isn't being tailored around Tebow. This is the same system they ran in NE. When you see a qb rollout like Tebow had last week, that's tailored for Tebow. I don't believe we ran 1 rollout pass play last season.

Gesundheit!

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 08:50 AM
ok just checking

Ravage!!!
08-20-2010, 08:56 AM
Seriously? You think McD is changing the offense to fit Tebow? Really? Have you not watched Brady play out of shotgun nearly every play? I know you are a brand-new Bronco "watcher" and will leave when Tebow does, but you can look back at some of the games and see that Orton was almost always out of shotgun. This is the offense that McD runs. Its not for Tebow.

I know I know..... the earth, moon and stars revolve around Tebow, why should I be surprised you believes the Broncos do.

jerseys-factory
08-20-2010, 09:00 AM
I dont know yet, but maybe #8 floor are right

slim
08-20-2010, 09:19 AM
I dont know yet, but maybe #8 floor are right

Exactly.

Good first post.

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 09:20 AM
Have you not watched Brady play out of shotgun nearly every play? I know you are a brand-new Bronco "watcher" and will leave when Tebow does, but you can look back at some of the games and see that :elefant:Orton was almost always out of shotgun:elefant:. This is the offense that McD runs. Its not for Tebow.

When you considering Tebow having worked primarily out of the shotgun, makes this offense more for Tebow than most who think.

This will certainly help speed up his transition to this level.

What makes you think I will wait to leave till Tebow does?:confused::D:D

Ravage!!!
08-20-2010, 09:30 AM
When you considering Tebow having worked primarily out of the shotgun, makes this offense more for Tebow than most who think.

This will certainly help speed up his transition to this level.

What makes you think I will wait to leave till Tebow does?:confused::D:D

Not just primarily, exclusively out of shot-gun in college. So it didn't go past anyone that the "spread" offense that McD runs is suited for a QB that never took snaps under center in college. Thats a no brainer. However, not being good at taking snaps under center WILL be a primary concern for Tebow considering how important that is in the NFL. You DO need a running game in this league, and the shotgun greatly limits those options.

It was one of the main reasons a team would take a QB like Tebow as early as he was....he fit the system you already run. Not the other way around.

I'm just curious. Does this man-crush on Tebow keep you up at night?

topscribe
08-20-2010, 10:15 AM
I noticed Orton in the shotgun a lot last weekend, virtually half of the passing plays.

It dawned on me that McDaniels may already be tweaking the scheme by adjusting it for Tim Tebow despite Orton being the initial starter?

Could it be?

*I hope I hope I hope I hope*


Occasionally, I can read minds . . . :coffee:

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JamesNrvAttackr
08-20-2010, 10:28 AM
I think Orton threw a roll-out/bootleg pass last year. :laugh:
In game 3 versus Oakland.
2nd quarter, McD called timeout. Told Orton the play on the sideline.
Orton, "Are you sure coach?".
McD, "Yes, Kyle. I believe in you. You can do it."
Kyle jogs back to the huddle.
McD clapping. "YOOUUU CAN DOOOO IT."
Rest of the team in the huddle, starts to chuckle.
Play is run. Successful roll out 8 yard completion to TE D. Graham.
Kyle, celebrates the play. Dancing like Les Grossman (The Tom Cruise character.) at the end of Tropic Thunder. Is flagged for excessive celebration.
-15 yards. McD :tsk:
The play is not run again the rest of the year.

T.K.O.
08-20-2010, 10:54 AM
When you considering Tebow having worked primarily out of the shotgun, makes this offense more for Tebow than most who think.




:confused: you did say you were a writer ?....is this some of your work ?

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jhildebrand
08-20-2010, 11:10 AM
Not only was he in shotgun most of his snaps last year, I would venture to guess the majority of it was the exact same formation! 3 WR's RB split left of Orton. Quite predictable really.

Bosco
08-20-2010, 02:20 PM
When you considering Tebow having worked primarily out of the shotgun, makes this offense more for Tebow than most who think.

This will certainly help speed up his transition to this level.

What makes you think I will wait to leave till Tebow does?:confused::D:D

Dude you're a huge Tebow homer. How do you not know that Josh basically invented an NFL version of Meyer's spread option offense and that Tebow's familiarity with that system was one of the main reasons Tebow is here?

I Eat Staples
08-20-2010, 02:40 PM
He even has Jags in his user name.

BroncoNut
08-20-2010, 02:43 PM
At first I thought the thread was titled "did Orton run half of his players off with a shotgun last season" :lol:

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 02:50 PM
Dude you're a huge Tebow homer. How do you not know that Josh basically invented an NFL version of Meyer's spread option offense and that Tebow's familiarity with that system was one of the main reasons Tebow is here?

Yeah next thing you know you will be accusing me of actually knowing that
Josh McDaniels stole plays from the Gators while he was in NE (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/421330-benver-broncos-the-phenomenal-saga-of-tim-tebows-2010-starting-role#page/6)...:D

I believe McDaniels is tweaking the scheme by adjusting it for Tim Tebow despite Orton being the initial starter?

I mean why else would McDaniels have had Orton throwing all those deep passes
139 yards worth out of the blue like that.

This despite him only completing a total of 25 yards worth of passes beyond the line of scrimage?

Last Season 83 percent of Orton's passes where under 10 yards.

We have the footage on film regardless if the QB can execute the deep passing game or not...:beer:

The contract forced my hand to try and reveal that everything is not as it may seem... :eek:


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T.K.O.
08-20-2010, 02:56 PM
or.....mcD is doing exactly what he said he would do....open up the playbook and try and call more deep passes.to keep defenses guessing a bit more than last year:D

Denver Native (Carol)
08-20-2010, 02:56 PM
Yeah next thing you know you will be accusing me of actually knowing that Josh McDaniels stole plays from the Gators while he was in NE...:D

I believe McDaniels is tweaking the scheme by adjusting it for Tim Tebow despite Orton being the initial starter?

I mean why else would McDaniels have had Orton throwing all those deep passes out of the blue like that, 139 yards worth, despite him only completing a total of 25 yards worth of passes beyond the line of scrimage?

We have the footage on film regardless if the QB can execute the deep passing game or not...:beer:

The contract forced my hand to try and reveal that everything is not as it may seem... :eek:

In order for you to understand what is happening this year vs last year, you would have had to watch the games last year - the OL is much better this year, passes are being spread around this year among the WRs, AND, in the one game this year, there was basically no running game YET, due to injuries, so therefore, mostly passing plays. And ALSO, Orton is healthy - which obviously gives him the chance to do more. Same system this year as last year.

Lonestar
08-20-2010, 03:09 PM
In order for you to understand what is happening this year vs last year, you would have had to watch the games last year - the OL is much better this year, passes are being spread around this year among the WRs, AND, in the one game this year, there was basically no running game YET, due to injuries, so therefore, mostly passing plays. And ALSO, Orton is healthy - which obviously gives him the chance to do more. Same system this year as last year.

was about to say this but good job.:salute:

let me reiterate if the OLINE can't pass protect, something other than a bubble pass is hard to complete.

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 03:41 PM
LMAO Orton could have read a Tolstoy novel with all the time he was given in the pocket last weekend, yet he could not even manage to accomplish passing one completion beyond ten yards of the line of scrimage. :tsk:

Why is it that I cannot high five myself anymore?:D:D

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08-20-2010, 03:46 PM
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Italianmobstr7
08-20-2010, 03:47 PM
LMAO Orton could have read a Tolstoy novel with all the time he was given in the pocket last weekend, yet he could not even manage to accomplish passing one completion beyond ten yards of the line of scrimage. :tsk:

Why is it that I cannot high five myself anymore?:D:D

The first pass he completed was longer than 10 yards. I said it before and I'll say it again, Orton took the majority of his snaps last year from the Shotgun. The offense isn't being tailored to Tebow, Tebow is being tailored to the system. I'm sure when tebow plays there will be a few more plays that are specific to him, but Josh is calling plays to win with Orton, not get Tebow in the offense starting quicker.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-20-2010, 03:47 PM
LMAO Orton could have read a Tolstoy novel with all the time he was given in the pocket last weekend, yet he could not even manage to accomplish passing one completion beyond ten yards of the line of scrimage. :tsk:

Why is it that I cannot high five myself anymore?:D:D

You are allotted 5,000, so you must have used them all up

I Eat Staples
08-20-2010, 04:22 PM
LMAO Orton could have read a Tolstoy novel with all the time he was given in the pocket last weekend, yet he could not even manage to accomplish passing one completion beyond ten yards of the line of scrimage. :tsk:

Why is it that I cannot high five myself anymore?:D:D

Are you anything more than a Tebow fanboy? Do you even watch the Broncos, or the NFL in general?

First of all, we were winning 14-0 with Orton in the game. I don't care how long his passes were. That 14-0 is the only number that matters. He made good decisions, threw 2 TD passes, and gave us a lead. Was he perfect? Of course not, there's always room for improvement. But if anyone says that a team can't win a superbowl with their QB playing the way Orton did in that preseason game, they're full of it.

Second, as for what you said about running plays from shotgun, that is simply how McD's system operates. Did you watch the Patriots with McD as the OC? They passed (and even ran) from the shotgun a lot, as did the Broncos last year. It's the system, regardless of the QB.

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 04:38 PM
When you have been watching football as long as I have, you realize the score means nothing in a preseason game. Nothing. Its not the score that counts but how each individual executes the gameplan the coach draws up. Orton did a horrible job of that in the deep passing game.


The first pass he completed was longer than 10 yards.I said it before and I'll say it again, Orton took the majority of his snaps last year from the Shotgun. The offense isn't being tailored to Tebow, Tebow is being tailored to the system. I'm sure when tebow plays there will be a few more plays that are specific to him, but Josh is calling plays to win with Orton, not get Tebow in the offense starting quicker.

I don't know why I keep totally dismissing the poor deep pass to Gaffney...:D:D

You certainly are entitled to your opinion. But that is not how I see it.:cool:

DenBronx
08-20-2010, 04:57 PM
LMAO Orton could have read a Tolstoy novel with all the time he was given in the pocket last weekend, yet he could not even manage to accomplish passing one completion beyond ten yards of the line of scrimage. :tsk:

Why is it that I cannot high five myself anymore?:D:D


I'm not high on Ortons physical abilities as a NFL QB but he is at times very accurate, smart and wins games. Right now he is our QB and I'm 100% behind him as a fan. Why is it that you keep searching for ways for him to fail? Really let's be honest here, you're not a Broncos fan. You fantasize about Tim Tebow and I can understand why. After all McDaniels drafted him and shocked the NFL for a reason. But let's be real, it won't be Tebows time for along time. For him to start anytime soon Orton will have to have a injury or our season will have tanked and even then it will be very late in the year.

If Tebow was to be traded to the Raiders tomorrow you would be sporting a Silver and Black gator. :coffee: Then we say fare thee well o fair weathered fan, fare thee well.

Jagsbch
08-20-2010, 05:02 PM
Second, as for what you said about running plays from shotgun, that is simply how McD's system operates. Did you watch the Patriots with McD as the OC? They passed (and even ran) from the shotgun a lot, as did the Broncos last year. It's the system, regardless of the QB.

Given the fact that


Josh basically invented an NFL version of Meyer's spread option offense and that Tebow's familiarity with

You would almost certainly have to agree that this system, with the newly added deep passing feature is better suited for Tebow, considering just how bad Orton struggles at executing it.

Unless you are a Kyle orton Homer that is...:D:D

Italianmobstr7
08-20-2010, 05:29 PM
When you have been watching football as long as I have, you realize the score means nothing in a preseason game. Nothing. Its not the score that counts but how each individual executes the gameplan the coach draws up. Orton did a horrible job of that in the deep passing game.



I don't know why I keep totally dismissing the poor deep pass to Gaffney...:D:D
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. But that is not how I see it.:cool:

I don't think 1 bad deep pass says a whole lot. There were passes thrown more than 10 yards down the field that were comlete and accurate no matter what you say. Orton did a good job the entire time he was in the game with the exception of 1 pass. Get off his nuts man.

JamesNrvAttackr
08-20-2010, 05:50 PM
***** Rant alert *****

Jagsbch you have one agenda. Starting Tim Tebow.
It doesn't matter if he is the best QB on the team or not.

At one point I thought you were a Frat house at Florida State or Alabama
playing an extended drinking game. Making fun of the Tim Tebow fans that
give people the heebe jeebes.
Tim Tebow is a great person. He was a great college
QB at Florida. I'm sure he is a great teammate.
Now, he is a back up QB on the Denver BRONCOS.
He will have many years and will get plenty of attention to
transform him into a NFL starting QB. But, on Josh McDaniels team he will have to earn the starting position.
NOT be given it. Right Now, McD doesn't give a rip about Tebow's draft spot or what he did in college.
Tebow's contract also means nothing. Tebow is a project. McDaniels thought that when he drafted him.

If he becomes the best QB on the team, start him. The problem is
he isn't now. And it is not even close. Orton is so far ahead of Quinn and Tebow.
You have to look around for info from people who've gone to camp. Not Orton, Quinn, or Tebow homers.
The people who knew from observation Orton was better than Simms last year.
McDaniels waved a shinny object in front of the media.
They have pretty much been distracted all camp.
While he was really getting the team ready for the year.
Tebow will play this year in special packages every once in a while depending
on game circumstance. As a change up. To see how he does. Ease him into the NFL.
And also to make opposing teams spend a little time preparing for Tebow.

If Orton does well this year and the Broncos go to the playoffs he'll probably get another extension when the cba is signed.
Then Tebow will have to be that much better next year to be starter. Bowlen wants wins, playoffs, and SuperBowls.
Make that happen and he will treat you right.:elefant:

I Eat Staples
08-20-2010, 05:54 PM
Given the fact that



You would almost certainly have to agree that this system, with the newly added deep passing feature is better suited for Tebow, considering just how bad Orton struggles at executing it.

Unless you are a Kyle orton Homer that is...:D:D

You weren't saying the system was a better fit for Tebow. You were saying that the system was being tailored to suit Tebow. The statement you made when you started this thread, is false. Simple as that, sir.

Oh, and since you are such a huge Tebow fan, let me ask you this. If Tebow is so great, why would he need a specific system to fit his needs? A great player excels in any system.

Bosco
08-20-2010, 07:42 PM
You would almost certainly have to agree that this system, with the newly added deep passing feature

2007 Patriots anyone?

T.K.O.
08-20-2010, 08:24 PM
LMAO Orton could have read a Tolstoy novel with all the time he was given in the pocket last weekend, yet he could not even manage to accomplish passing one completion beyond ten yards of the line of scrimage. :tsk:

Why is it that I cannot high five myself anymore?:D:D

because even you can't buy into what you are saying !