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WARHORSE
07-13-2008, 12:20 PM
Why He'll Make the Team #3: Lorne Sam

Today we're are going to take a gander at Lorne Sam, a Florida State and UTEP product. Sam, whose brother P.K. played on a Patriots championship team, was a highly touted high school player, and went to the Seminoles to be a QB. After being moved to receiver, and several injuries, Sam transferred to UTEP where he played QB, RB and WR. He earned his undergraduate degree in 2006, playing 2007 as a graduate student. At the combine he competed as WR and enters camp as longshot in a deep group of wideouts. Will he make the team? Read on and see what you think.
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Height: 6' 2"

Weight: 220

40 Yard Dash: 4.59
Bench Reps: 23


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The Criticisms
Lorne Wallace Sam has had a long and painful road to the NFL. In 2002 he followed his brother to Florida State, where he red shirted after a shoulder separation in August scrimmage. He followed that up with two unspectactular seasons, accounting for 10 receptions, , 6 yards rushing and a special teams tackle. After the second season, he discovered he had played the whole year on a broken foot, missed the postseason and decided to transfer to UTEP. After a year off, Sam played two seasons for UTEP, missing part of each one due to knee and foot injuries. His final season he compiled over 1000 yards of total offense, primarily running and receiving, despite missing the final two games.
With six year saga like that behind him, you can imagine that one major concern with drafting Sam was his injury history. He only played one complete season in college - the rest were all injury shortened.
This also meant he moved around a lot. His QB career was derailed when he couldn't stay on the field. He was injured as a slot receiver, ending up running the ball quite a bit. He has never focused on a single skillset, and his receiving skills are raw - his hands questionable if strong, his route running sloppy. To top it off, some question his deep speed and his propensity to fumble.
Scouts question his desire and work ethic, and cite his hesitance to extend his arms and fight for balls in the air. His blocking is not physical enough. The concern is that he gets by on athleticism, rather than the disciplined technique and toughness necessary to succeed in the NFL.


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The Response
Many of the concerns about Lorne Sam are in fact well founded, which is probably why he ended up signing as a free agent. There is nothing he can do about his injury history now besides get out there and play, frankly. However, in an interview (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/PatriotsInsider/2008/04/24/Patriots-Insider-Pre-Draft-Show-Latest-News-draft-preview-QB-RB-and-Specialists) with PatriotsInsider.com before the draft, Sam said he got a whole battery of tests at the combine, and they came up clean - including his troublesome left foot. He seems to be healed, although until he plays some NFL games the durability questions will remain.
Also true is the fact that Sam jumped all over the field in his college career, never really perfecting one position. He may not be ready for prime time as a starting receiver, but he has shown a willingness to play wherever needed. In his PatriotsInsider.com interview he says that he personally requested to play special teams everywhere he went, but as a QB most seasons, he wasn't allowed. He talks about being a gritty player, wanting to play like Hines Ward and getting it done however and wherever he can. If he can make himself useful as a gadget player, special teamer, and emergency quarterback he could buy himself the time to develop his receiving skills.
Finally, Lorne Sam follows his older brother P.K. to the NFL. His brother left school early and has bounced around. In contrast, Lorne is coming off a year of studying for a Master's in Educational Leadership (which I am guessing would be applicable to being a school principal or superintendent). He talks about how his brother's tough experience helped him understand that this is a job, and he needs to work nine to five, and then some, to succeed. That kind of attention to detail, and his brother's guidance, could help him put in the time to overcome his fumbling and motivation issues.
The NFL's online draft prospect analysis (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/lorne-sam?id=2700#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis) mentions that he seemed to figure out that he needed to fight for the extra yard his senior season, and that his blocking was adequate - when he put his all in. He has the fight in him, he just may need some coaching to help him express it on the field.

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Lorne Sam is a tantalizing prospect. With his skill in the short receiving game and on the ground and the improved moves after the catch he flashed his senior season, Sam is a special talent. He has pretty good speed - near Marshall's combine number in the 40 and faster than top 10 finisher Eddie Royal in the 60 yard shuttle - and is quite strong - second only to Royal in the combine bench press. He averaged 5.7 yards per carry his two years at UTEP.
He is an upstanding guy - he tells a story about being shocked that a team at the combine asked him not just if he belonged to a gang or owned a gun, but whether he ever shot a man. He led student organizations, got a degree and kept his nose clean. He would certainly not be a "problem child" on the squad.
If he can develop his aggressiveness and route running he could blossom into a "slash" type player along the lines of Randle-El, an intriguing tool in Mike Shanahan's offense. Although he clearly doesn't fit as a QB in the NFL, he talks about viewing the game that way, and has a real mind for the game. He is highly intelligent, having skipped a grade in elementary school and having pursued graduate studies at UTEP. Such a guy is an asset on a team, whether as a returner, receiver runner or emergency quarterback.
He is still raw receiver and is not ready for primetime. In a less deep
wide receiving corps, he could have a slim chance of making a roster as a returner or special teamer. With the depth of the receiver position in Denver this year, including fellow rookie Eddie Royal, Sam probably at best shows enough in camp to warrant a spot on the practice squad. Realistically he will not beat out McDaniel, Russell Parker or Martinez for the last WR spot. His versatility will help his chances to hang around as a long term project though, as Shanahan cannot be too happy with running Mike Leach out there as his 3rd quarterback (as he did last year without Rod Smith available). With a bad camp, however, I think Sam hits the streets.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Id like to see him make the roster at the 7th WR we keep. But its up in the air.

WARHORSE
07-13-2008, 12:21 PM
Wonder if he can run the football.............:coffee:

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-13-2008, 12:27 PM
What you mean run the football? Oh as a RB? Lol i dont know i heard hes versitile though. How many positions has he played?

Ziggy
07-13-2008, 12:32 PM
He'll have to really stand out on special teams to stick here.

Requiem / The Dagda
07-13-2008, 12:33 PM
I think it's practice squad at best for him, but who knows? Might be one of those guys Shanahan would love to have on those wideout reverses, but that certainly doesn't merit a roster spot.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-13-2008, 12:35 PM
He'll have to really stand out on special teams to stick here.

That should not be hard to do being that ours has sucked for this whole decade...

WARHORSE
07-13-2008, 12:48 PM
I know its a longshot, but I would hope they let him try running the ball, even if its on the practice squad. He has ability after the catch, and ya never know.

If you click on the 'draft prospect analysis' link in the article, you get some more good info on him.

At 6'3" and 220 lbs, it says he has good running instincts with the ball in his hands.

Heck........give him a try. Cant hurt.

Arkansas Bronco
07-13-2008, 01:16 PM
Id like to see him make the roster at the 7th WR we keep. But its up in the air.

True but if Nate Jackson can make this team every freakin year I can see he can fight for a spot.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-13-2008, 01:22 PM
True but if Nate Jackson can make this team every freakin year I can see he can fight for a spot.

True stuff. I dont see how this guy Nate Jackson has lasted so long on this team. He does not contribute anywhere on the field.

Lonestar
07-13-2008, 01:30 PM
there is a video on him at, number 87

http://www.denverbroncos.com/


One of the things he said was the playbook was easier for him to grasp as a WR because of his time he spent playing QB. Made it easier to figure out the whys and wherefores.


Until I saw this last night I did not know he was on the team one of those signings that was under the radar..

Now I would have noticed it because he played at UTEP. They thought highly of him here with all the versatility e brings he is very raw and I'd be VERY surprised to see him make the squad other than perhaps practice squad..

He is a big kid 6'3" and about 220+ with decent hands and runs good routes.. But he was playing in a sub par conference against no bodies..

If he can stay healthy and get to the practice squad we could have another Rod Smith type kid.. Smart and hard worker.. Never be an HOF player but steady..

BroncoAV06
07-13-2008, 04:11 PM
Well you have Aldridge and Sam two versitile, speedy players; Will be interesting to see how each are used in camp and during pre season.

Retired_Member_001
07-15-2008, 05:10 AM
As long as he makes the team over Keary Colbert :coffee: .

gobroncsnv
07-15-2008, 07:01 AM
I know its a longshot, but I would hope they let him try running the ball, even if its on the practice squad. He has ability after the catch, and ya never know.

If you click on the 'draft prospect analysis' link in the article, you get some more good info on him.

At 6'3" and 220 lbs, it says he has good running instincts with the ball in his hands.

Heck........give him a try. Cant hurt.

As long as he can go through the pile while still hanging onto the ball. If he has a propensity to fumble, make sure he gets that out of his system. Never saw the kid play, just giving a nod to what the article said.

Kaylore
07-15-2008, 04:29 PM
He has a first name for a last name and no real first name. :confused:

Lonestar
07-15-2008, 04:38 PM
He has a first name for a last name and no real first name. :confused:


and your point!

Besides he has little chance at hearing it of the PA system and MILE HIGH..

Kaylore
07-16-2008, 12:35 PM
and your point!

Besides he has little chance at hearing it of the PA system and MILE HIGH..

It was just an observation.

Hobe
07-16-2008, 01:00 PM
He almost sounds like a young Rod Smith. If he is, he will be starting in three years.

Lonestar
07-16-2008, 01:06 PM
He almost sounds like a young Rod Smith. If he is, he will be starting in three years.

this is true..

But about the only position he has not played since HS is OLINE..

I could see him putting on some weight and playing at TE.

being a valuable player that could be disaster QB, TE, WR or RB.

hamrob
07-16-2008, 01:11 PM
Looks like a future TE to me. He'll be lucky to get signed onto the practice squad. Is he the next Brandon Marshall. I don't think so...I think he's way too raw.

slim
07-16-2008, 01:20 PM
No....

Retired_Member_001
07-21-2008, 04:10 AM
He has a first name for a last name and no real first name. :confused:

:laugh:

It should be Sam Lorne.

Kaylore
07-21-2008, 10:39 AM
:laugh:

It should be Sam Lorne.

I still call him that sometimes.

Brand
07-21-2008, 12:39 PM
How about Lorne Green? Should he have been Green Lorne?


Bonanza would not have been the same. Neither would the Ponderosa.....

Dean
07-21-2008, 02:56 PM
When it comes to names each person gets what they are given Lorne didn't get a choice and I don't see any reason that any of us should complain. He isn't named Suzie or Orgelthorpe so what's the big deal?

In Canada, the name Lorne is not uncommon. I've heard it before more than once. As for his family name of Sam, is it any more unusual than Bill, Willey, or John? They are used as both first and last names.


Edit: According to the 1990 census (I couldn't find the 2000 census), Loren is the three hunderd and seventy-fourth most common name.

Retired_Member_001
07-21-2008, 05:26 PM
I still call him that sometimes.

I always call him that.

Saying Lorne Sam just sounds too weird.

Sam Lorne is much better.

Lonestar
07-21-2008, 05:56 PM
I always call him that.

Saying Lorne Sam just sounds too weird.

Sam Lorne is much better.

I think calling him gone will be more like it.. Unless he sticks as a tweener WR/Hback/TE/disaster QB and ST's he is toast.

Might make the PS but unless 3 or 4 WR bite the big one he does not have much chance.. College coach's do kids a disservice having them play all over the place to the point of never mastering one position..

this is OK to do the first couple of years in HS and unless you out grow the position your playing should not be moved around.. Maybe a college coach bringing a kid in to play another position but they should know it up front. IMO

Dean
07-21-2008, 09:43 PM
I think calling him gone will be more like it.. Unless he sticks as a tweener WR/Hback/TE/disaster QB and ST's he is toast.

Might make the PS but unless 3 or 4 WR bite the big one he does not have much chance.. College coach's do kids a disservice having them play all over the place to the point of never mastering one position..

this is OK to do the first couple of years in HS and unless you out grow the position your playing should not be moved around.. Maybe a college coach bringing a kid in to play another position but they should know it up front. IMO

The coaches allegience is to the team first and foremost not to the next level of football- most don't make it to that next level. If player X is the best that you have for a particular position, play him there rather than sitting him on the bench.

I would hazzard a guess that if Lorne had shown that he had the skill set to be an NFL receiver he would have been playing there at either of the colleges he played for.

Lonestar
07-21-2008, 09:51 PM
The coaches allegience is to the team first and foremost not to the next level of football- most don't make it to that next level. If player X is the best that you have for a particular position, play him there rather than sitting him on the bench.

I would hazzard a guess that if Lorne had shown that he had the skill set to be an NFL receiver he would have been playing there at either of the colleges he played for.


I understand that coach I just think it a shame that they cause this type of issue with really good athletes.

Well he did play it at UTEP and played it well. But then we all know that CONF USA is not quite the SEC..

Retired_Member_001
07-22-2008, 04:29 PM
When it comes to names each person gets what they are given Lorne didn't get a choice and I don't see any reason that any of us should complain. He isn't named Suzie or Orgelthorpe so what's the big deal?

In Canada, the name Lorne is not uncommon. I've heard it before more than once. As for his family name of Sam, is it any more unusual than Bill, Willey, or John? They are used as both first and last names.


Edit: According to the 1990 census (I couldn't find the 2000 census), Loren is the three hunderd and seventy-fourth most common name.

His name sounds incomplete. It should be Lorne Sam <Insert Last Name> .

Maybe it's an omen? He'll cause alot of incompletions.