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dogfish
08-09-2010, 06:07 PM
i'm mostly posting this for the highlighted snippet regarding buckhalter. . .


Broncos' running back situation cause for concern
By Jeff Legwold
The Denver Post

Posted: 08/09/2010 11:08:54 AM MDTUpdated: 08/09/2010 12:58:50 PM MDT

With three running backs, including the two at the top of the depth chart, not on the field Saturday night for the Broncos' practice in Invesco Field at Mile High, there has to be at least some concern at this point of what the Broncos rushing attack will look like when they open the regular season in Jacksonville.

Because at this point, all public pronouncements by the team aside, it sounds like it would be a surprise if Knowshon Moreno plays much, if at all, in the preseason because of a hamstring injury and Correll Buckhalter is headed to a specialist this week to look at his back/neck.

The team hasn't publicly discussed Buckhalter's injury, but put the words "neck" or "back" and "specialist" in the same sentence and
over the years that has usually meant teams are looking at the discs in the spine to see if there are any that have become herniated or out of position that are pushing on nerves, etc ...

So Buckhalter doesn't look in position to return any time soon either.

LenDale White was just signed, but left the field in his second full day on the job with what looked like muscle cramps at that point, but he has not practiced since. And not having been in a team's conditioning program for much of the offseason, it would be a lot to ask for him to ramp things up enough to be the primary callcarrier in a few weeks.

He's also going to miss the first four games of the season with a league-mandated suspension.

Couple that with an offensive line that has worked the past few days with right tackle Ryan Harris as the only returning starter in the No. 1 group and you have to believe defenses are going to drop plenty of players in pass coverage, limiting the Broncos' options down the field, unless the Broncos can run the ball well enough to prevent that.

Left tackle Ryan Clady may, or may not, be back for the start of the regular after offseason knee surgery and the Broncos are positioning themselves to start two rookies — center J.D. Walton and guard Zane Beadles — up front. That's a lot of uncertainty at a position that usually requires a little time to get everybody used to working together.

The two rookies have been impressive in practice with their ability to jump right in and battle as well as play with a nasty edge. But in many of the 9-on-7 run-game periods thus far in camp, the offense has not consistently moved the Broncos defense off the line of scrimmage.

And while the Broncos won't ever be a sort of traditional run-first offense in Josh McDaniels' scheme — often a one-back, three wide receiver set with quarterback working out of the shotgun plenty — they will still have to function well in the run game or Kyle Orton is going to be looking at an awful lot of defenders dropping into an awful lot of passing lanes if defenses don't believe they have to load the line of scrimmage.

The best way to get defenses out of those coverage packages is to pound the ball right at them and make them get out of them.

The Broncos were 18th in the league in rushing last season and struggled plenty in short yardage. In McDaniels' eight seasons with the Patriots the team finished in the top 10 in rushing just twice, including sixth in 2008 - McDaniels' final year as offensive coordinator before he took the Broncos job.

Three times in those eight years the Patriots finished 24th or lower in rushing — 24th in '05, 27th in '03 and 28th in '02. They did win the Super Bowl in '03 after finishing the regular season 14-2, but they also had the league's No. 1 scoring defense having allowed just 14.4 points a game so that tipped the scales for them.

So, the Broncos do still have some time — four preseason games worth — to sort things out, but the clock's ticking on the difference between just hitting the ground and hitting the ground running when real games begin.


Jeff Legwold: 303-954-2359 or jlegwold@denverpost.com

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15718871
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i'm not trying to be the doom and gloom squad, so save the retarded chicken little comments. . . this isn't great news, though. . . buck's always a huge injury concern-- if this does prove to be something lingering, we're going to be close to desperate straits at the position. . . with white suspended for the first four games, we really need buck to be ready to handle some work. . . unfortunately, even in a best-case scenario where we get both buck and knowshon back healthy in tme for the opener, it doesn't look like either of them's going to have much chance to get into real football shape after sitting out most or all of training camp and the pre-season. . .

i just hope we don't rush knowshon back too early because we don't have anyone else, and end up having him aggravate the injury and wind up being a step slow the entire season the way he looked last year. . . we BADLY need him to be a playmaker for that the rest of the offense can lean on, and giving him 125 touches or so the first month after missing camp probably isn't an ideal scenario, at all. . .

and the real killer is going to be the roster shuffle. . . white won't cost us a spot for those first four games, meaning we'll be able to carry an extra tailback over that span who will be released when white returns, but what do we do with buckhalter if he's not healthy? it's either cut somebody at another position (difficult), go with two tailbacks the first four weeks (really not a viable option), or sign another back and put buck on the PUP list. . . the latter seems like the most likely option if he's anything beyond week to week. . .

lance ball, bruce hall-- can you hear opportunity attempting to pound down your door? you will NEVER get another chance like this, i hope you're more ready than smith and arrington. . . if one of those guys can't convince the coaching staff, we'll probably be back to digging through the scrap heap for a guy like westbrook. . .

to me, the obvious answer is to call buffalo and see if we can get lynch for a reasonable price. . . he's hardly the prototype of the character guys mcD wants, but sometimes you have to make some compromises if you don't want to be one moreno injury away from complete disaster. . . why continue to screw around with 100-carry max type rotational guys if you might have a chance to get a legit starting-caliber back who fits our system perfectly without breaking the bank?

Dirk
08-09-2010, 06:18 PM
*sigh*

Skinny
08-09-2010, 06:29 PM
i'm not trying to be the doom and gloom squad, so save the retarded chicken little comments. . . this isn't great news, though. . . buck's always a huge injury concern-- if this does prove to be something lingering, we're going to be close to desperate straits at the position. . . with white suspended for the first four games, we really need buck to be ready to handle some work. . . unfortunately, even in a best-case scenario where we get both buck and knowshon back healthy in tme for the opener, it doesn't look like either of them's going to have much chance to get into real football shape after sitting out most or all of training camp and the pre-season. . .

i just hope we don't rush knowshon back too early because we don't have anyone else, and end up having him aggravate the injury and wind up being a step slow the entire season the way he looked last year. . . we BADLY need him to be a playmaker for that the rest of the offense can lean on, and giving him 125 touches or so the first month after missing camp probably isn't an ideal scenario, at all. . .

and the real killer is going to be the roster shuffle. . . white won't cost us a spot for those first four games, meaning we'll be able to carry an extra tailback over that span who will be released when white returns, but what do we do with buckhalter if he's not healthy? it's either cut somebody at another position (difficult), go with two tailbacks the first four weeks (really not a viable option), or sign another back and put buck on the PUP list. . . the latter seems like the most likely option if he's anything beyond week to week. . .

lance ball, bruce hall-- can you hear opportunity attempting to pound down your door? you will NEVER get another chance like this, i hope you're more ready than smith and arrington. . . if one of those guys can't convince the coaching staff, we'll probably be back to digging through the scrap heap for a guy like westbrook. . .

to me, the obvious answer is to call buffalo and see if we can get lynch for a reasonable price. . . he's hardly the prototype of the character guys mcD wants, but sometimes you have to make some compromises if you don't want to be one moreno injury away from complete disaster. . . why continue to screw around with 100-carry max type rotational guys if you might have a chance to get a legit starting-caliber back who fits our system perfectly without breaking the bank?Or maybe call up Dallas and see about one of their three-headed monster, preferably Choice. He seems to be on the tail end of that rotation. I don't even know if they're willing to part with any of them but it could'nt hurt to find out at this point. Especially if you're willing to take a chance on Lynch.

It is still fairly early in camps. Hopefully they will be some options for us floating around on the waiver wire when the roster cuts really start to get going. One can hope.

elsid13
08-09-2010, 06:35 PM
I am still trying to understand the thought process on this team that felt that we had enough depth at running back spot, knowing Buckhalter's history.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 06:45 PM
Or maybe call up Dallas and see about one of their three-headed monster, preferably Choice. He seems to be on the tail end of that rotation. I don't even know if they're willing to part with any of them but it could'nt hurt to find out at this point. Especially if you're willing to take a chance on Lynch.

It is still fairly early in camps. Hopefully they will be some options for us floating around on the waiver wire when the roster cuts really start to get going. One can hope.

Choice's value is much, much too high for a very talented RB looking to get us through a stretch, and nothing really more.

Skinny
08-09-2010, 07:13 PM
Choice's value is much, much too high for a very talented RB looking to get us through a stretch, and nothing really more.

Your probably right, but it would'nt hurt to find out.

Northman
08-09-2010, 07:18 PM
Or maybe call up Dallas and see about one of their three-headed monster, preferably Choice. He seems to be on the tail end of that rotation. I don't even know if they're willing to part with any of them but it could'nt hurt to find out at this point. Especially if you're willing to take a chance on Lynch.

It is still fairly early in camps. Hopefully they will be some options for us floating around on the waiver wire when the roster cuts really start to get going. One can hope.

Very good point and idea. Hell, even if Dallas wanted to part with Barber i would be all for it at this point. But gimme any of the 3 and i would take it in a heartbeat.

nbenallo33
08-09-2010, 07:26 PM
Or maybe call up Dallas and see about one of their three-headed monster, preferably Choice.

i was thinking the same thing lastnight :beer:

Buff
08-09-2010, 07:35 PM
I am still trying to understand the thought process on this team that felt that we had enough depth at running back spot, knowing Buckhalter's history.

I think it was more a matter of us needing LB & special teams help more than it was us feeling overly stacked at RB.

Easier to find RB help than LB help? Maybe that was the logic?

broncobryce
08-09-2010, 07:42 PM
Baltimore is desperate for a corner. Would you trade Goodman for Willis Mcgahee and a pick or someone else? If Cox is as good as he's allegedly looked in TC.....

Buff
08-09-2010, 07:49 PM
Baltimore is desperate for a corner. Would you trade Goodman for Willis Mcgahee and a pick or someone else? If Cox is as good as he's allegedly looked in TC.....

Trading Goodman would be a big mistake, we don't want to create a hole in the process of patching one. Maybe they want Phonz? I don't know why they would, but I also didn't understand why they gave Foxworth $18 mil guaranteed... So crazier things have happened.

RB's are a dime a dozen anyway, I think this will work itself out.

Northman
08-09-2010, 07:49 PM
I say we try to grab Cedric Peerman from Cincy. :)

Buff
08-09-2010, 07:55 PM
Is Cleo Lemon available?

I think he can play some RB in a pinch.

DenBronx
08-09-2010, 08:16 PM
Dog, your such a nay sayer....gosh. :D

Lynch does sound the most tempting because A.) He doesn't have alot of wear and tear on him and is still young. B.) As much as I hate to say it, he's probablly even better than Moreno. C.) Should come cheap.

Choice would be great but I think would cost too much.

Westbrook seems so injury prone but at least we wouldn't have to trade anyone and the risk reward is very high on him. If he stays healthy it would really I think boost our running game and at least he won't be suspended for the first 3 or 4 games.

claymore
08-09-2010, 08:21 PM
Its a pass first league. The running game is obselete any way.

dogfish
08-09-2010, 08:22 PM
Its a pass first league. The running game is obselete any way.

exactly-- thank god we traded portis for champ. . . .


:D:D:D

claymore
08-09-2010, 08:24 PM
exactly-- thank god we traded portis for champ. . . .


:D:D:D


No you diint!

:deadhorse:

Northman
08-09-2010, 08:25 PM
We dont need star players, its the system man just ask.

claymore
08-09-2010, 08:27 PM
We dont need star players, its the system man just ask.

We have our Z reciever. Its what weve been waitin for anywho. :werd:

dogfish
08-09-2010, 08:28 PM
Or maybe call up Dallas and see about one of their three-headed monster, preferably Choice. He seems to be on the tail end of that rotation. I don't even know if they're willing to part with any of them but it could'nt hurt to find out at this point. Especially if you're willing to take a chance on Lynch.

It is still fairly early in camps. Hopefully they will be some options for us floating around on the waiver wire when the roster cuts really start to get going. One can hope.

i would love to get choice, and certainly agree that making a call can't hurt, but i believe earlier this offseason jerruh jones said flat-out that they weren't interested in moving any of their backs-- which makes sense as niether barber nor jones has been very durable recently. . .

the main reason i mention lynch is that buffalo was reportedly shopping him after drafting spiller, and i suspect their price would be lower. . .



of course, in reality i expect us to patch the hole as best we can without trading any picks. . . i think scanning the waiver is probably what it's going to come down to. . .

anybody remember if we looked at any other backs this offseason?

dogfish
08-09-2010, 08:29 PM
No you diint!

:deadhorse:

yes i did! used your own words against you and everything. . . .


:elefant:

claymore
08-09-2010, 08:31 PM
yes i did! used your own words against you and everything. . . .


:elefant:

That was like walking into my back yard and seeing my dog get turd burgled by a grizzly bear.

Not cool!

Northman
08-09-2010, 08:33 PM
That was like walking into my back yard and seeing my dog get turd burgled by a grizzly bear.

Not cool!


Bwhahahahahahaha, oh man.

claymore
08-09-2010, 08:35 PM
Bwhahahahahahaha, oh man.

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Couldnt find a bear. In this case the cat is my dog and the dog is a bear.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-09-2010, 08:40 PM
Holy sheep shit! I go on vacation camping, rafting, and hiking in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park... no tv, no cell phone, no internet, no real contact with the outside world of any kind for a week and this is what I come home to? Let me get this straight: Doom gone for probably the year, Thomas and Decker dinged again, Lunch-pail White a Bronco (which I was actually happy about - not that it makes a difference for the 1st 4 games) but he's dinged too, Moreno's and Clady's health still up in the air, and Buck now looks way worse than originally thought. The one bright spot so far is that the rookies got jacked-up haircuts and Ayers seems to be doing well in practice?

Is that about right? Damn, screw going on vacation ever again during training camp.

Oh, I like the idea of trading for Lynch that dogfish brought up. Moreno, Lynch, and White together would instantly rival the Chiefs and Cowboys for the best backfield in the NFL, IMO.

Skinny
08-09-2010, 08:40 PM
i would love to get choice, and certainly agree that making a call can't hurt, but i believe earlier this offseason jerruh jones said flat-out that they weren't interested in moving any of their backs-- which makes sense as niether barber nor jones has been very durable recently. . .

the main reason i mention lynch is that buffalo was reportedly shopping him after drafting spiller, and i suspect their price would be lower. . .



of course, in reality i expect us to patch the hole as best we can without trading any picks. . . i think scanning the waiver is probably what it's going to come down to. . .

anybody remember if we looked at any other backs this offseason?Ladell Betts (Aug.4). But the report was he was looking to pursue other opportunities. I have'nt heard if he's signed on with anyone else or not.

Softskull
08-09-2010, 08:46 PM
Holy sheep shit! I go on vacation camping, rafting, and hiking in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park... no tv, no cell phone, no internet, no real contact with the outside world of any kind for a week and this is what I come home too? Let me get this straight: Doom gone for probably the year, Thomas and Decker dinged again, Lunch-pail White a Bronco (which I was actually happy about - not that it makes a difference for the 1st 4 games) but he's dinged too, Moreno's and Clady's health still up in the air, and Buck now looks way worse than originally thought. The one bright spot so far is that the rookies got jacked-up haircuts and Ayers seems to be doing well in practice?

Is that about right? Damn, screw going on vacation ever again during training camp.

Oh, I like the idea of trading for Lynch that dogfish brought up. Moreno, Lynch, and White together would instantly rival the Chiefs and Cowboys for the best backfield in the NFL, IMO.

You forgot Dawkins. You're banned from vacation.

JaxBroncoGirl
08-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Holy sheep shit! I go on vacation camping, rafting, and hiking in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park... no tv, no cell phone, no internet, no real contact with the outside world of any kind for a week and this is what I come home too? Let me get this straight: Doom gone for probably the year, Thomas and Decker dinged again, Lunch-pail White a Bronco (which I was actually happy about - not that it makes a difference for the 1st 4 games) but he's dinged too, Moreno's and Clady's health still up in the air, and Buck now looks way worse than originally thought. The one bright spot so far is that the rookies got jacked-up haircuts and Ayers seems to be doing well in practice?

Is that about right? Damn, screw going on vacation ever again during training camp.

Oh, I like the idea of trading for Lynch that dogfish brought up. Moreno, Lynch, and White together would instantly rival the Chiefs and Cowboys for the best backfield in the NFL, IMO.

It is sad, I am praying for all the players that are injured, it seems like we have the injure bug going around. As a first year Bronco, I am still so excited to watch the games. I so hope that the injured players can come back soon. Elvis has left the building I' m afraid for the rest of the year. However, I just hope the rest of the players can get well soon. I am jacked about this season, even with the rookies in. Win, lose or draw, I am jacked. :balloons:

HORSEPOWER 56
08-09-2010, 08:54 PM
You forgot Dawkins. You're banned from vacation.

What happened to Dawkins???? I hadn't seen anything yet. This is garbage. denverbroncos.com has got to be the WORST f'n site... Everything with them is all rainbows and sunshine. Nothing about Doom, Dawk, the RBs, Thomas or Deck, NOTHING.

So seriously, what is wrong with Dawkins? Oh yeah, I see Kenny McKinley went on IR as did Josh Barrett (who then got snagged by the Pats - what kind of dirty shit is that, stealing players headed for IR off the waiver wire?).

dogfish
08-09-2010, 08:59 PM
Holy sheep shit! I go on vacation camping, rafting, and hiking in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park... no tv, no cell phone, no internet, no real contact with the outside world of any kind for a week and this is what I come home to? Let me get this straight: Doom gone for probably the year, Thomas and Decker dinged again, Lunch-pail White a Bronco (which I was actually happy about - not that it makes a difference for the 1st 4 games) but he's dinged too, Moreno's and Clady's health still up in the air, and Buck now looks way worse than originally thought. The one bright spot so far is that the rookies got jacked-up haircuts and Ayers seems to be doing well in practice?

Is that about right? Damn, screw going on vacation ever again during training camp.

Oh, I like the idea of trading for Lynch that dogfish brought up. Moreno, Lynch, and White together would instantly rival the Chiefs and Cowboys for the best backfield in the NFL, IMO.

welcome back. . . . :lol:

dogfish
08-09-2010, 09:08 PM
Ladell Betts (Aug.4). But the report was he was looking to pursue other opportunities. I have'nt heard if he's signed on with anyone else or not.

thanks, man-- knew i was forgetting somebody. . .

betts was solid early in his career, but is on the decline. . . and westbrook is really just too big an injury risk for us at this point. . .

the more i look at it, the more i think trying to get lych would be the best decision. . . for the cost of a 3rd or 4th round pick (PFT reported the asking price being in that range), why not add a proven performer with low mileage, and hopefully be done messing around with the position for a while. . .

the way i see it, we can't win if we can't run this year. . . admittedly, RB is indeed one of the likelier positions to see a guy come out of nowhere and turn in a solid performance. . . and we used to be a team that was renowned for its ability to plug in nobody running backs and get results-- that was a ZBS/shanahan/bobby turner thing, though, and those days are long gone. . .

in theory the mcdaniels offense may not call for a superstar RB, but this offense as presently constructed isn't going to get by with street free agents at the position. . .

dogfish
08-09-2010, 09:11 PM
What happened to Dawkins???? I hadn't seen anything yet. This is garbage. denverbroncos.com has got to be the WORST f'n site... Everything with them is all rainbows and sunshine. Nothing about Doom, Dawk, the RBs, Thomas or Deck, NOTHING.

So seriously, what is wrong with Dawkins? Oh yeah, I see Kenny McKinley went on IR as did Josh Barrett (who then got snagged by the Pats - what kind of dirty shit is that, stealing players headed for IR off the waiver wire?).

dawk and DJ have both been missing practice for undisclosed reasons, i believe. . .

HORSEPOWER 56
08-09-2010, 09:18 PM
dawk and DJ have both been missing practice for undisclosed reasons, i believe. . .

Hopefully it's so they don't get hurt.... Our team -> :crutch:

FanInAZ
08-09-2010, 09:37 PM
Holy sheep shit! I go on vacation camping, rafting, and hiking in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park... no tv, no cell phone, no internet, no real contact with the outside world of any kind for a week and this is what I come home to? Let me get this straight: Doom gone for probably the year, Thomas and Decker dinged again, Lunch-pail White a Bronco (which I was actually happy about - not that it makes a difference for the 1st 4 games) but he's dinged too, Moreno's and Clady's health still up in the air, and Buck now looks way worse than originally thought. The one bright spot so far is that the rookies got jacked-up haircuts and Ayers seems to be doing well in practice?

Is that about right? Damn, screw going on vacation ever again during training camp.

Oh, I like the idea of trading for Lynch that dogfish brought up. Moreno, Lynch, and White together would instantly rival the Chiefs and Cowboys for the best backfield in the NFL, IMO.

:D We're all going to blame you if the Broncos finish in last place :D

DenBronx
08-10-2010, 12:48 AM
Betts already rejected our offer. I believe it was posted on either ESPN or NFL.COM.

Elevation inc
08-10-2010, 03:19 AM
i'm mostly posting this for the highlighted snippet regarding buckhalter. . .


Broncos' running back situation cause for concern
By Jeff Legwold
The Denver Post

Posted: 08/09/2010 11:08:54 AM MDTUpdated: 08/09/2010 12:58:50 PM MDT

With three running backs, including the two at the top of the depth chart, not on the field Saturday night for the Broncos' practice in Invesco Field at Mile High, there has to be at least some concern at this point of what the Broncos rushing attack will look like when they open the regular season in Jacksonville.

Because at this point, all public pronouncements by the team aside, it sounds like it would be a surprise if Knowshon Moreno plays much, if at all, in the preseason because of a hamstring injury and Correll Buckhalter is headed to a specialist this week to look at his back/neck.

The team hasn't publicly discussed Buckhalter's injury, but put the words "neck" or "back" and "specialist" in the same sentence and
over the years that has usually meant teams are looking at the discs in the spine to see if there are any that have become herniated or out of position that are pushing on nerves, etc ...

So Buckhalter doesn't look in position to return any time soon either.

LenDale White was just signed, but left the field in his second full day on the job with what looked like muscle cramps at that point, but he has not practiced since. And not having been in a team's conditioning program for much of the offseason, it would be a lot to ask for him to ramp things up enough to be the primary callcarrier in a few weeks.

He's also going to miss the first four games of the season with a league-mandated suspension.

Couple that with an offensive line that has worked the past few days with right tackle Ryan Harris as the only returning starter in the No. 1 group and you have to believe defenses are going to drop plenty of players in pass coverage, limiting the Broncos' options down the field, unless the Broncos can run the ball well enough to prevent that.

Left tackle Ryan Clady may, or may not, be back for the start of the regular after offseason knee surgery and the Broncos are positioning themselves to start two rookies — center J.D. Walton and guard Zane Beadles — up front. That's a lot of uncertainty at a position that usually requires a little time to get everybody used to working together.

The two rookies have been impressive in practice with their ability to jump right in and battle as well as play with a nasty edge. But in many of the 9-on-7 run-game periods thus far in camp, the offense has not consistently moved the Broncos defense off the line of scrimmage.

And while the Broncos won't ever be a sort of traditional run-first offense in Josh McDaniels' scheme — often a one-back, three wide receiver set with quarterback working out of the shotgun plenty — they will still have to function well in the run game or Kyle Orton is going to be looking at an awful lot of defenders dropping into an awful lot of passing lanes if defenses don't believe they have to load the line of scrimmage.

The best way to get defenses out of those coverage packages is to pound the ball right at them and make them get out of them.

The Broncos were 18th in the league in rushing last season and struggled plenty in short yardage. In McDaniels' eight seasons with the Patriots the team finished in the top 10 in rushing just twice, including sixth in 2008 - McDaniels' final year as offensive coordinator before he took the Broncos job.

Three times in those eight years the Patriots finished 24th or lower in rushing — 24th in '05, 27th in '03 and 28th in '02. They did win the Super Bowl in '03 after finishing the regular season 14-2, but they also had the league's No. 1 scoring defense having allowed just 14.4 points a game so that tipped the scales for them.

So, the Broncos do still have some time — four preseason games worth — to sort things out, but the clock's ticking on the difference between just hitting the ground and hitting the ground running when real games begin.


Jeff Legwold: 303-954-2359 or jlegwold@denverpost.com

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15718871
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i'm not trying to be the doom and gloom squad, so save the retarded chicken little comments. . . this isn't great news, though. . . buck's always a huge injury concern-- if this does prove to be something lingering, we're going to be close to desperate straits at the position. . . with white suspended for the first four games, we really need buck to be ready to handle some work. . . unfortunately, even in a best-case scenario where we get both buck and knowshon back healthy in tme for the opener, it doesn't look like either of them's going to have much chance to get into real football shape after sitting out most or all of training camp and the pre-season. . .

i just hope we don't rush knowshon back too early because we don't have anyone else, and end up having him aggravate the injury and wind up being a step slow the entire season the way he looked last year. . . we BADLY need him to be a playmaker for that the rest of the offense can lean on, and giving him 125 touches or so the first month after missing camp probably isn't an ideal scenario, at all. . .

and the real killer is going to be the roster shuffle. . . white won't cost us a spot for those first four games, meaning we'll be able to carry an extra tailback over that span who will be released when white returns, but what do we do with buckhalter if he's not healthy? it's either cut somebody at another position (difficult), go with two tailbacks the first four weeks (really not a viable option), or sign another back and put buck on the PUP list. . . the latter seems like the most likely option if he's anything beyond week to week. . .

lance ball, bruce hall-- can you hear opportunity attempting to pound down your door? you will NEVER get another chance like this, i hope you're more ready than smith and arrington. . . if one of those guys can't convince the coaching staff, we'll probably be back to digging through the scrap heap for a guy like westbrook. . .

to me, the obvious answer is to call buffalo and see if we can get lynch for a reasonable price. . . he's hardly the prototype of the character guys mcD wants, but sometimes you have to make some compromises if you don't want to be one moreno injury away from complete disaster. . . why continue to screw around with 100-carry max type rotational guys if you might have a chance to get a legit starting-caliber back who fits our system perfectly without breaking the bank?



Actually i would rather put in a call to dallas for Tashard Choice......the cost would be cheaper......however i would be fine with lynch here as well.....but for me Choice would be my first target...

SOCALORADO.
08-10-2010, 08:44 AM
Actually i would rather put in a call to dallas for Tashard Choice......the cost would be cheaper......however i would be fine with lynch here as well.....but for me Choice would be my first target...

DAL isnt giving up Choice unless its for a really sweet offer. They hold all the cards. Choice is part of the 3rd down back rotation, and Barber has a bit of an injury history now, and Jones even though hes gained some weight has always been suspect at lasting an entire season.

I think DAL would rather unload Barber over Choice.
More mileage and more injuries.
I doubt it would happen though.
Hopefully MCD can swing a deal for picks and a player like Alphie to BUF for Lynch. That seems more realistic to me. But then Lynch is a D-bag, so...

Bosco
08-10-2010, 04:43 PM
I'm not seeing a whole lot of reason for concern. Moreno will be ready to go for the start of the season, as will Buckhalter provided the specialist doesn't find something abnormally wrong. Between those two we'll be good to go early in the season and when LenDale White returns we'll have a legit powerback to use as well.

Buff
08-10-2010, 05:05 PM
thanks, man-- knew i was forgetting somebody. . .

betts was solid early in his career, but is on the decline. . . and westbrook is really just too big an injury risk for us at this point. . .

the more i look at it, the more i think trying to get lych would be the best decision. . . for the cost of a 3rd or 4th round pick (PFT reported the asking price being in that range), why not add a proven performer with low mileage, and hopefully be done messing around with the position for a while. . .

the way i see it, we can't win if we can't run this year. . . admittedly, RB is indeed one of the likelier positions to see a guy come out of nowhere and turn in a solid performance. . . and we used to be a team that was renowned for its ability to plug in nobody running backs and get results-- that was a ZBS/shanahan/bobby turner thing, though, and those days are long gone. . .

in theory the mcdaniels offense may not call for a superstar RB, but this offense as presently constructed isn't going to get by with street free agents at the position. . .

I remember Schefter saying back in June that there was no way the Bills would trade Lynch for a 4th rounder with 2 cheap years left on his deal. So it'd probably take at least a 3rd. I'd be open to that if we were serious about resigning him. But I have a feeling Xanders/McD don't want to go down that path.

Edit: Just found this.


A source tells ESPN that the Bills will take nothing less than a second-round pick for Lynch, so he should know he's not going anywhere. The disgruntled back has changed his tune about being a Bill, and is now saying all the right things. Let's not forget that he's still only 24 and has shown significant talent as an NFL running back. Lynch is going to steal touches from Fred Jackson and C.J. Spiller and is well worth a late-round flier in fantasy drafts.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=4186&sport=nfl

dogfish
08-10-2010, 05:38 PM
I'm not seeing a whole lot of reason for concern. Moreno will be ready to go for the start of the season, as will Buckhalter provided the specialist doesn't find something abnormally wrong. Between those two we'll be good to go early in the season and when LenDale White returns we'll have a legit powerback to use as well.

seems like the FO doesn't entirely share your optimism-- schefter just tweeted that we're expected to sign justin fargas tonight. . .

jhildebrand
08-10-2010, 06:54 PM
What happened to Dawkins???? I hadn't seen anything yet. This is garbage. denverbroncos.com has got to be the WORST f'n site... Everything with them is all rainbows and sunshine. Nothing about Doom, Dawk, the RBs, Thomas or Deck, NOTHING.

So seriously, what is wrong with Dawkins? Oh yeah, I see Kenny McKinley went on IR as did Josh Barrett (who then got snagged by the Pats - what kind of dirty shit is that, stealing players headed for IR off the waiver wire?).

Forgot that Moss would replace Dumervil and he BROKE his hand!

jhildebrand
08-10-2010, 06:56 PM
dawk and DJ have both been missing practice for undisclosed reasons, i believe. . .

DJ has a hamstring injury per Alfred Williams

Bosco
08-10-2010, 11:20 PM
seems like the FO doesn't entirely share your optimism-- schefter just tweeted that we're expected to sign justin fargas tonight. . .

I'm not entirely surprised there. They'll need another camp/preseason body. Highly doubt he makes it past final cuts though.

dogfish
08-11-2010, 12:07 AM
I'm not entirely surprised there. They'll need another camp/preseason body. Highly doubt he makes it past final cuts though.

i'd say that depends largely on buck's health and white's work ethic. . .

why bother to bring in another vet as a camp body? we could've just as easily picked up another UDFA for the rookie minimum, or just kept kolby smith. . . i don't see why they'd bother to get a guy like fargas if there was no chance of him earning a spot in the rotation. . .

obviously we'll see, but i have exactly zero faith or confidence in buck's ability to stay healthy. . . good player, but he's missed enormous chunks of time over the years with a variety of ailments. . .

Bosco
08-11-2010, 01:52 AM
i'd say that depends largely on buck's health and white's work ethic. . .

why bother to bring in another vet as a camp body? we could've just as easily picked up another UDFA for the rookie minimum, or just kept kolby smith. . . i don't see why they'd bother to get a guy like fargas if there was no chance of him earning a spot in the rotation. . .

obviously we'll see, but i have exactly zero faith or confidence in buck's ability to stay healthy. . . good player, but he's missed enormous chunks of time over the years with a variety of ailments. . .

If Buckhalter's injury is serious or LenDale is a turd then yeah, Fargas could stick. Beyond that, he shouldn't get real comfortable in Denver.

TXBRONC
08-11-2010, 10:50 AM
i'd say that depends largely on buck's health and white's work ethic. . .

why bother to bring in another vet as a camp body? we could've just as easily picked up another UDFA for the rookie minimum, or just kept kolby smith. . . i don't see why they'd bother to get a guy like fargas if there was no chance of him earning a spot in the rotation. . .

obviously we'll see, but i have exactly zero faith or confidence in buck's ability to stay healthy. . . good player, but he's missed enormous chunks of time over the years with a variety of ailments. . .

Same here, I don't think for a minute that Fargas was brought in just to be camp fodder.

Agreed, Buckhalter is a good player when he's healthy but that's the problem he's been able to stay for an entire just once in his career. If this were an ankle injury I might not be as concerned but since it's a back injury that automatically more of concern.