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Denver Native (Carol)
08-08-2010, 05:58 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15712276

Broncos outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil will have surgery Tuesday to repair a chest injury that will keep him out for most, or likely all, of the season if doctors find the damage that is expected.

Broncos head team physician Ted Schlegel is scheduled to perform the surgery. Dumervil visited Dr. Michael Dillingham in San Francisco - he heads the medical team for both the San Francisco 49ers and San Francisco Giants - Friday to get a second opinion on the surgical diagnosis that was made by the Broncos' doctors.

Dumervil then returned to Denver and the surgery was scheduled.

The damage to the pectoral muscle will be examined in the surgery - it can be difficult to assess all of the damage in that muscle because of the size and thickness of the tissue even in an MRI - and the pectoral tendon will be re-attached.

Dumervil suffered the injury in Wednesday night's practice during a 1-on-1 drill. As he engaged tackle Tyler Polumbus, Dumervil extended his right arm and then quickly pulled it down as he grimaced in pain.

He walked off the field gripping the neck of his shoulder pads with this right hand as he kept his right elbow pinned to his body. Tests later confirmed he had damaged the pectoral muscle and pectoral tendon.

Normally the recovery time is four to five months for such an injury before a player is ready to return to the field, though Broncos officials were not going to rule out a return date for Dumervil until doctors did the surgery.

Dumervil, who was the NFL's sack leader with 17 this past season, signed a five-year $58.33 million extension before the start of training camp, most of which is guaranteed against injury.

Northman
08-08-2010, 05:59 PM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

silkamilkamonico
08-08-2010, 06:08 PM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

I somewhat disagree with that, although the impact of his lack of presence will no doubt be felt in every game.

KCL
08-08-2010, 06:09 PM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

As a fan on a rival team...I hate this...it sucks...I never did read...how did he get injured?

Overtime
08-08-2010, 06:13 PM
why is it a classy guy who handles his contract negotiation in a proper manner, and doesn't make it about himself end up getting hurt?

Doom is a humble guy, he handled his business with class and style, and then he ends up getting hurt. wtf?

why can't it happen to the douchebag players who whine and cry about not getting enough money?

Denver Native (Carol)
08-08-2010, 06:32 PM
As a fan on a rival team...I hate this...it sucks...I never did read...how did he get injured?

Last Wednesday - a one on one drill

NightTrainLayne
08-08-2010, 07:18 PM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

Please clarify. Your statement actually says that we can afford to lose Dumervil, but I'm guessing that you intended to say that we could have least afforded to lose him.

While we will definitely miss his defnesive production, the season is not over by any means. It sucks, but I still think we'll be okay on the defensive side of the ball. We've shored up a lot of other positions in the meantime.

Davii
08-08-2010, 07:53 PM
We'll certainly miss Dumervil. I think our upgraded D line will play an even more pivotal role now. If Moss and Ayers are able to step it up, we'll be ok. I think we will see more pressure than we saw last year. With Elvis it would've been much better, but I still think we're improved from last year.

TXBRONC
08-08-2010, 08:09 PM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

I hope in the long run you're proven wrong.

Northman
08-08-2010, 09:03 PM
Please clarify. Your statement actually says that we can afford to lose Dumervil, but I'm guessing that you intended to say that we could have least afforded to lose him.

While we will definitely miss his defnesive production, the season is not over by any means. It sucks, but I still think we'll be okay on the defensive side of the ball. We've shored up a lot of other positions in the meantime.

Yes, my point was that he is the worst possible player that should of gone down. His loss will be a bigger impact than people understand. Whether or not we will be ok because of the signings this year has yet to be determined as right now it only looks good on paper. Hopefully, they can step up like they should but there is no guarantee.

rcsodak
08-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

So now you're saying it's not a problem?

:confused:

BroncoWave
08-08-2010, 11:29 PM
So now you're saying it's not a problem?

:confused:

You clearly didn't read the post above yours. :coffee:

GEM
08-08-2010, 11:29 PM
So now you're saying it's not a problem?

:confused:

North cleared that misunderstanding 2 hours ago.

KCL
08-08-2010, 11:39 PM
North cleared that misunderstanding 2 hours ago.

:lol:

I knew what he meant when I quoted him...rc get with the program.

ikillz0mbies
08-09-2010, 12:11 AM
Oh, hell.

Lonestar
08-09-2010, 12:59 AM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could at least afford.

I always thought we had 11 men on D. Not just one.

IMHO the most important player on a 3-4 D is the NT.

You can blitz from almost every other of the back 8 and be as effective as having the same guy come each time.

Since he served no other function other than pass rush. Now it is time to spread it around a bit.
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Tned
08-09-2010, 08:02 AM
I always thought we had 11 men on D. Not just one.

IMHO the most important player on a 3-4 D is the NT.

You can blitz from almost every other of the back 8 and be as effective as having the same guy come each time.

Since he served no other function other than pass rush. Now it is time to spread it around a bit.
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If you listened to the interviews on Friday of the players and coaches on Sirius NFL Radio (training camp tour stop), you would know that the Broncos players and coaches have a COMPLETELY different opinion of Doom and his loss, than you do. FWIW.

BigDaddyBronco
08-09-2010, 08:29 AM
I would rather have him get the surgery and go on IR for the season than plan on having him back in 4 months and have it not happen. Plan on him being better next year and work on a stopgap now.

Edmonton Bronco Fan
08-09-2010, 09:37 AM
That really sucks. Not much more to say.

LordTrychon
08-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Get well, Elvis.

LTC Pain
08-09-2010, 11:12 AM
Get well, Elvis.


Yes, this!

And it's time for Ayers and Moss to steup and stomp sopme QB/RB ass!

Ravage!!!
08-09-2010, 11:15 AM
Bleh. Of all the people to go down he was the one we could least afford.


I always thought we had 11 men on D. Not just one.



He didn't say he was the only man on the defense.

jhildebrand
08-09-2010, 11:22 AM
While the injury sucks we constantly hear how one man is not the team, we know the importance of the 'system,' and to do 'you' job. I still expect this team to compete!

underrated29
08-09-2010, 11:53 AM
I always thought we had 11 men on D. Not just one.

IMHO the most important player on a 3-4 D is the NT.

You can blitz from almost every other of the back 8 and be as effective as having the same guy come each time.

Since he served no other function other than pass rush. Now it is time to spread it around a bit.
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In the other thread you said something like "and how many games did dooms 17 sacks win us. All i see is a lot of money spent wasted on a player hurt."


yet here above you say there are 11 guys on defense not 1. So which is it?

Is it dooms sacks that are supposed to win us games. Or the 11 guys on the defense?

Tempus Fugit
08-09-2010, 12:51 PM
In the other thread you said something like "and how many games did dooms 17 sacks win us. All i see is a lot of money spent wasted on a player hurt."


yet here above you say there are 11 guys on defense not 1. So which is it?

Is it dooms sacks that are supposed to win us games. Or the 11 guys on the defense?

Actually, noting that the success of one highly paid player didn't translate into wins would strengthen the argument that it's about 11 players rather than one, and that the money should be more evenly spent.

Jrwiz may, or may not, be right in his perception, but the two things you're talking about aren't mutually exclusive.

jhildebrand
08-09-2010, 01:12 PM
The highlight is appropriate.

So many were fine with the idea that the Broncos not extend Dumervil or even see him go elsewhere via his tender. I have seen some of those same posters now using his injury as a "sky is falling" excuse or acting as if somehow there is now less pressure on McDaniels.

You can't have it both ways.

NorCalBronco7
08-09-2010, 01:29 PM
This is a nightmare...

Dean
08-09-2010, 02:56 PM
This is a nightmare...

Buckhalter seems to have had a setback and is being sent to a specialist. . . and the good times just keep on coming.:shots:

TXBRONC
08-09-2010, 03:05 PM
In the other thread you said something like "and how many games did dooms 17 sacks win us. All i see is a lot of money spent wasted on a player hurt."


yet here above you say there are 11 guys on defense not 1. So which is it?

Is it dooms sacks that are supposed to win us games. Or the 11 guys on the defense?

That would be great if 10 other players besides Dumervil came with more than five sacks. As it only two other guys had more than 3.5 sacks.

underrated29
08-09-2010, 03:44 PM
Actually, noting that the success of one highly paid player didn't translate into wins would strengthen the argument that it's about 11 players rather than one, and that the money should be more evenly spent.

Jrwiz may, or may not, be right in his perception, but the two things you're talking about aren't mutually exclusive.



I do not see it that way. I read it as if doom and his 17 sacks were so great how come we didnt win all those games. (you would have to refer to the other thread for proper context) then in this one talk about a player being one part of the 11 people. now maybe that is what he meant, but he has not answered and to me it seems like the door is swinging both ways on this one.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 04:50 PM
I think a good majority of you guys are completely freaking out about this.

Yes, this sucks.

But we want an organization that's built around scheme and good play everywhere. Teams like Pittsburgh, and New England merely throw somebody else into the lineup and move on. Baltimore moves on. We might not have players of the ability of those organizations, but this gives us the chance to find other weapons on defense as the year goes on.

How did SD do when they lost not just 1, but 2 of their huge components on defense with Merrimen and Williams? They plugged somebody else in and fought through it.

So one of our better players is injured... Welcome to the NFL.

Northman
08-09-2010, 04:55 PM
We might not have players of the ability of those organizations,

About sums it up yes.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 04:58 PM
About sums it up yes.

Unfortunately we just aren't Cincinatti Bengals good then.

When their leading pass rusher, Odom, who was better than Dumervil last year went down with a season ending injury, they proceeded to go 3-0 within their division, including wins against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and won their division. Now that's a Pro Bowl laden defense with players if I've ever seen one. LMAO

This Mike Shanahan mentaliy of "1 player away" still lingers among the fanbase.
"1 player away" from being an average NFL team.

Northman
08-09-2010, 05:06 PM
Unfortunately we just aren't Cincinatti Bengals good then.

When their leading pass rusher, Odom, who was better than Dumervil last year went down with a season ending injury, they proceeded to go 3-0 within their division, including wins against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and won their division. Now that's a Pro Bowl laden defense with players if I've ever seen one. LMAO

This Mike Shanahan mentaliy of "1 player away" still lingers among the fanbase.
"1 player away" from being an average NFL team.

What the hell are you talking about? No one has said it takes one player to make a defense. But I can't believe you truly think losing Doom wont hurt this defense. Lets also not forget that Denver only beat Cincy off a fluke play. Cincy was better than Denver last year and probably better than them this year.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 05:08 PM
What the hell are you talking about? No one has said it takes one player to make a defense. But your a moron if you truly think losing Doom wont hurt this defense.

I remember when Joey Porter got hurt, and all you heard out of Pittsburgh was "****, now we're stuck with this garbage player from Kent State named James Harrison!"

LMAO

Northman
08-09-2010, 05:13 PM
I remember when Joey Porter got hurt, and all you heard out of Pittsburgh was "****, now we're stuck with this garbage player from Kent State named James Harrison!"

LMAO

You didnt hear that from me. Pitt and Bmore are known to get great depth on defense and have great schemes in place to utilize them. Whether Martindale can step up to the plate will remain to be seen. Now with Doom, his job gets even harder but hopefully those players can step up like need be.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 05:16 PM
You didnt hear that from me. Pitt and Bmore are known to get great depth on defense and have great schemes in place to utilize them. Whether Martindale can step up to the plate will remain to be seen. Now with Doom, his job gets even harder but hopefully those players can step up like need be.

Exactly. I had to suffer through 8 miserable years of Mike "the mastermind" Shanahan trying to construct an NFL power and fail miserably, I can wait another year or two of the new coach trying to do the same by getting his players.

We don't have the pieces in place to compete for a SuperBowl this year even with everyone healthy, so now's the chance to see what direction Denver's going under McDaniels, who did a hell of a coaching job last year in his first season.

Northman
08-09-2010, 05:21 PM
Exactly. I had to suffer through 8 miserable years of Mike "the mastermind" Shanahan trying to construct an NFL power and fail miserably, I can wait another year or two of the new coach trying to do the same by getting his players.

Yes and no.


who did a hell of a coaching job last year in his first season.

Based off what? An 8-8 season in which he was responsible for the changes made? It was a nice start but ended much like his predecessor did when all was said and done. But he will have a couple of more years to prove his worth. The good news i guess is that we wont have to hear about the injuries being an excuse to not improving since its not about one player anymore. ;)

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 05:27 PM
Yes and no.

Yes. If Shanahan got 6 "bonus" years, any new coach should be afforded at least 2.




Based off what? An 8-8 season in which he was responsible for the changes made? It was a nice start but ended much like his predecessor did when all was said and done. But he will have a couple of more years to prove his worth. The good news i guess is that we wont have to hear about the injuries being an excuse to not improving since its not about one player anymore. ;)

Based off the simple fact that Denver finished the year with a better record, and higher in the division, then basically 99% of NFL fans/analysts that thought they would finished. There isn't 1 intelligent analyst/fan that said they would have finished .500 with all the changes and controversey surrounding them last summer. "You are what your record says you are".

How many years did "the mastermind" finish the year better then advertised? 1? And then 7 underachieving years in since John Elway retired? And people hate McDaniels' "changes" because they go against Shanahan's, who is arguably one of the most overrated "GM's" in the history of the NFL..

LordTrychon
08-09-2010, 05:37 PM
Yes. If Shanahan got 6 "bonus" years, any new coach should be afforded at least 2.




Based off the simple fact that Denver finished the year with a better record, and higher in the division, then basically 99% of NFL fans/analysts that thought they would finished. There isn't 1 intelligent analyst/fan that said they would have finished .500 with all the changes and controversey surrounding them last summer. "You are what your record says you are".

How many years did "the mastermind" finish the year better then advertised? 1? And then 7 underachieving years in since John Elway retired? And people hate McDaniels' "changes" because they go against Shanahan's, who is arguably one of the most overrated "GM's" in the history of the NFL..

Yeah, but why was it that we were expected to go somewhere between 2-14 and 6-10?

It wasn't because we were an injury riddled 8-8 the year before. Josh was the one that had everyone scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on. Don't make it out to be that he is some saviour who came in and raised us from the depths of the NFL.

Yeah, everyone was real impressed that he managed to not screw us up as much as they thought he did originally.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 05:45 PM
Yeah, but why was it that we were expected to go somewhere between 2-14 and 6-10?

It wasn't because we were an injury riddled 8-8 the year before. Josh was the one that had everyone scratching their heads wondering what the hell was going on. Don't make it out to be that he is some saviour who came in and raised us from the depths of the NFL.

Yeah, everyone was real impressed that he managed to not screw us up as much as they thought he did originally.

We weren't injury riddled the year before. We just weren't very good. In hindsight, it's even more surprising just how upset people were at him with the changes he made. "Please don't go and break up our mediocre 8-8 team, because at least we don't finish 3-13".

I have to laugh at everybody, even myself, who actually thought 2 players (mainly Jay Cutler) between a 10 win season, and a 6 win season at best. Cutler's in Chicago now, and he brought the laughing stock, and mediocreness, with him.

LordTrychon
08-09-2010, 06:21 PM
We weren't injury riddled the year before. We just weren't very good. In hindsight, it's even more surprising just how upset people were at him with the changes he made. "Please don't go and break up our mediocre 8-8 team, because at least we don't finish 3-13".

I have to laugh at everybody, even myself, who actually thought 2 players (mainly Jay Cutler) between a 10 win season, and a 6 win season at best. Cutler's in Chicago now, and he brought the laughing stock, and mediocreness, with him.

Ok, so you tell me why exactly it was that it was so amazing he managed to do the exact same with less injuries, again?

He made some wonderful moves, and did the same?

I'm not calling for his head by any means... but I'm not praising his amazing work yet either. I think he has at least 2 more seasons.

silkamilkamonico
08-09-2010, 06:40 PM
Ok, so you tell me why exactly it was that it was so amazing he managed to do the exact same with less injuries, again?

He made some wonderful moves, and did the same?

I'm not calling for his head by any means... but I'm not praising his amazing work yet either. I think he has at least 2 more seasons.

This is the generalization of extremes that both you, and myself, are perceiving.

You're saying I am implying he was some "savior who came in and raised us from the depths", is the exact same generalization as myself saying you are implying that he "came in like some kind of dictator and tore us down from the premier levels of the NFL".

Both you, and myself, couldn't be further from the truth.

The truth is, he coached a season that was very, very similiar to what Shanahan was coaching the last 3 years. The only difference is he did it without choosing his players from random groups of drafts/trades/free agents. He was much, much more limited in what he had to choose from than Shanahan, and he did just as well as Shanahan the last 3 years. That's a fact.

Lonestar
08-09-2010, 09:21 PM
The fact is the TEAM did not have much if any depth. Had some first class players that were relativly young and VERY immature. The Oline we now know was a sham only good for ZBS with a VERY mobile QB when they broke down in pass protect and just like mot of the past 11 years sucked inside the red zone where coverage was tighter (less field to defend).

As for D we had none the previous 3 years so any players save 2-3 were after thoughts to mikey ETAL.

We were fooling ourselves for or being fooled by mike in thinking we Were an elite TEAM when infact only mikes complex schemes kept us remotely in the hunt.

I understand the need to defend mike almost to a fault beecause I did so during some of those years. Beleiving what he said hook line and sinker because he had been dubbed the mastermind and two players were going to get us there.

He is what he is a brillant OC maybe even HC if he is not totally in charge.

But he did us few favors with the personnel he left behind. IMO
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jhildebrand
08-09-2010, 10:22 PM
I remember when Joey Porter got hurt, and all you heard out of Pittsburgh was "****, now we're stuck with this garbage player from Kent State named James Harrison!"

LMAO

Well in all fairness that can be expected from Pitt and the way they have drafted the last 10 years!

Granted McDaniels has only had one draft class show what they can do, nothing jumped off the page at anybody from that class.

So until they start stringing together draft classes where they are pulling multiple probowlers from one draft, no matter how limited, the Broncos don't really get that benefit of the doubt for most!

DenBronx
08-11-2010, 02:43 AM
Broncos Mailbag: Denver insured on Doom, but he'll be back
Don't fear for Elvis Dumervil. And could the Broncos see Ryan Clady back soon?

By Mike Klis

The Denver Post

Posted: 08/11/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT
Updated: 08/11/2010 01:17:30 AM MDT

Denver Post NFL reporter Mike Klis posts his Broncos Mailbag every Tuesday during the NFL season. He'll open up the weekly Mailbag starting this week, during Broncos training camp.

Pose a Broncos- or NFL-related question for the Broncos Mailbag.

The Broncos shell out the big bucks for Elvis Dumervil, and now he may be out for the season. Do NFL teams have anything like injury insurance to defray the big salaries for injured players? Or do they have to absorb the hit? And how do salaries for injured players affect the salary cap?

--Jerry, Boston

Let's begin this mailbag by stating that based on nearly everything I've been hearing, Elvis Dumervil is expected back this season.

To answer your question, yes, clubs do get insurance on their star players. But the key to collecting is a career-ending injury. Dumervil probably won't even be out for the season, much less for his career. He suffered a torn pectoral, not an amputated femur.

Barring a setback in his rehab, expect Dumervil to return and play in 2010

DenBronx
08-11-2010, 02:47 AM
I wonder if Klis has an inside report of the surgery Dumervil underwent today? Would be good news if it wasn't as bad as originally thought. Heck, even if we got him back around week 9 or 10 that would be great!

Poet
08-11-2010, 02:57 AM
Unfortunately we just aren't Cincinatti Bengals good then.

When their leading pass rusher, Odom, who was better than Dumervil last year went down with a season ending injury, they proceeded to go 3-0 within their division, including wins against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and won their division. Now that's a Pro Bowl laden defense with players if I've ever seen one. LMAO

This Mike Shanahan mentaliy of "1 player away" still lingers among the fanbase.
"1 player away" from being an average NFL team.

Well, for one thing Odom had never hit ten sacks before and it remains to be seen if he was just on a hot streak or if the new workout and diagnosis and treatment of his sleep apnea did it for him.

Secondly, Cincinnati was able to overcome the lack of a pass rush (I think we finished middle of the pack in sacks, I know we weren't ranked above 18) by having the best corner tandem in football.

Thirdly, fwiw, Cincinnati got jobbed on Pro Bowlers. Once again, namely our two corners, but Domato Peko was one of the best DT's in football and Dhani Jones played out of his skull, but that's besides the point.

The other thing is that over the past couple years Cincinnati had been investing in the defensive side of the ball, and gotten more results than normal.

As far as the division goes, Baltimore was overrated, Pittsburgh had a Super Bowl hangover and Cleveland....enough said.

I don't think that it's the 'one player thing'. You guys just lost the best pass rusher in the NFL from the previous season. If the Minnesota Vikings lost Jared Allen their vaunted defense would take a drastic hit.

And while I agree with JR that the NT is the most important player on a 3-4 team, Doom was your best defensive player and your NT, no offense, sucked.

Tned
08-11-2010, 06:47 AM
I wonder if Klis has an inside report of the surgery Dumervil underwent today? Would be good news if it wasn't as bad as originally thought. Heck, even if we got him back around week 9 or 10 that would be great!

While there wasn't much in the report Mort did from Broncos camp yesterday, he did say that the Broncos were looking at keeping Dumervil off of the IR, because they thought he could play this season (or something like that).

TXBRONC
08-11-2010, 10:18 AM
I wonder if Klis has an inside report of the surgery Dumervil underwent today? Would be good news if it wasn't as bad as originally thought. Heck, even if we got him back around week 9 or 10 that would be great!

If Dumervil's injury isn't as bad originally thought that is great news especially if we could get him back before the end of the season.

Jagsbch
08-11-2010, 10:36 AM
The Denver Post

Let's begin this mailbag by stating that based on nearly everything I've been hearing, Elvis Dumervil is expected back this season. [/U][/B]

McDaniels can buy a roster spot for a few weeks by placing him on the pup list, in order to allow a competetive spot on the roster play out during the season.

NightTrainLayne
08-11-2010, 11:52 AM
Finally some good news. It will likely be November, but at least something to look forward to.

TXBRONC
08-11-2010, 12:00 PM
Finally some good news. It will likely be November, but at least something to look forward to.

Even December would be ok especially we're in running for a playoff birth.

red98
08-11-2010, 02:18 PM
McDaniels can buy a roster spot for a few weeks by placing him on the pup list, in order to allow a competetive spot on the roster play out during the season.

Doom is not eligible for the PUP list. You can only place players on PUP before camp starts.

jhildebrand
08-11-2010, 03:29 PM
I wouldn't want Dumervil back unless we know for certain that he is 100% healed. Why risk it?