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BOSSHOGG30
07-03-2008, 02:38 PM
Bears | C. Williams could receive up to $11 million
Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29:32 -0700

Vaughn McClure, of The Chicago Tribune, reports Chicago Bears OT Chris Williams could receive up to $11 million in guaranteed money in a five-year deal. Williams was the team's 14th overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.



This means Clady will want more! He better be good!

Buff
07-03-2008, 03:04 PM
About the only good part of having the rookie pay set up as it is now is that it basically doesn't give either side too much wiggle room... The #12 slot is the #12 slot, so there might be some slight variation year to year based on position, but it's pretty much assumed they're going to make more than the #13 player but less than #11... Like I said, there are slight variations based on position, but for the most part-- It doesn't let the agent make outrageous demands and it forces teams to be reasonable.

silkamilkamonico
07-03-2008, 03:16 PM
Any draft pick taken in our range, with the contract they receive, had better be good.

oubronco
07-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Ridiculous

Kaylore
07-03-2008, 04:31 PM
Bears | C. Williams could receive up to $11 million
Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29:32 -0700

Vaughn McClure, of The Chicago Tribune, reports Chicago Bears OT Chris Williams could receive up to $11 million in guaranteed money in a five-year deal. Williams was the team's 14th overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.



This means Clady will want more! He better be good!

That's pretty modest. I don't see how that would screw anybody.

BOSSHOGG30
07-03-2008, 05:57 PM
That's pretty modest. I don't see how that would screw anybody.

11 Million guaranteed is a lot of money for an unproven rookie! What are you talking about modest? This is just the guaranteed portion. We haven't seen what the rest of the contract has in it. But I'm sure it is going to be a very nice one.

BOSSHOGG30
07-03-2008, 06:05 PM
8/2/2007: Signed a six-year, $62 million contract. The deal includes $18.1 million in guarantees. 2008: $370,000, 2009: $672,500, 2010: $1.225 million, 2011: $1.7775 million, 2012: $2.33 million (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent

This is Levi Brown's contract from last year. He was a top 5 draft pick. He received 18.1 million in guarantees over six years. That averages out to about 3 million guaranteed each season.

Chris Williams was selected a lot further down the draft board compared to Levi Brown. He was also selected after Ryan Clady. This means Clady will command a bigger pay day than Williams. Williams is getting about 2.2 million guaranteed each season. I would guess that Clady could command a contract similar to Levi Brown or somewhere between Brown and Williams.... Either way you look at it, it isn't modest. It's a lot of money.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-03-2008, 07:10 PM
This is not a problem this is the NFL. Clady will be worth every penny and he willbe signed before training camp. Broncos been doing a good job dumping guys like Ian Gold who was over paid and had no talent.

omac
07-03-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm for giving the projected elite rookies the money. They have the potential to be the cornerstone of your team's future, and that will guarantee better business. Teams just better make sure they're great at evaluating talent, or they're screwed.

atwater27
07-04-2008, 01:25 AM
I am for giving ALL rookies league minimum salaries and decent bonuses depending on how "elite" they are. Let them earn their keep. Most can make decent money in endorsements. Give the proven veterans the big money. Rookies need to earn their pay straight up. I'm sure most NFL players silently think the same way, but for union reasons they won't make a peep.

omac
07-04-2008, 01:58 AM
I am for giving ALL rookies league minimum salaries and decent bonuses depending on how "elite" they are. Let them earn their keep. Most can make decent money in endorsements. Give the proven veterans the big money. Rookies need to earn their pay straight up. I'm sure most NFL players silently think the same way, but for union reasons they won't make a peep.

The best athletes might then probably choose basketball and baseball over football, and there could be a major drop in talent in the NFL.

I think maybe a lot of the non highly drafted NFL players feel that way, but the ones taken early in the draft sure don't, and most of those guys are the ones who bring in revenue for the NFL. Darn straight they should be paid more. The scouts just have to get their job right.

silkamilkamonico
07-04-2008, 02:09 AM
I am for giving ALL rookies league minimum salaries and decent bonuses depending on how "elite" they are. Let them earn their keep. Most can make decent money in endorsements. Give the proven veterans the big money. Rookies need to earn their pay straight up. I'm sure most NFL players silently think the same way, but for union reasons they won't make a peep.

If that was the way, top 15 draft picks, and probably the entire first round, would be signing 1 year contracts. Not exactly going to help be a cornerstone for a team.

It's an allotted scale, and I agree with the big contracts. It's the owners fault for signing the contracts.

The worst teams get the privilege of choosing from the best players. And at the same time, they should have to shell out the dough for the decisions they make for whom they choose.

The salary's the rookies get are over the top, but if owners were smart they would work the deal with incentives, instead of the guaranteed money. The agents have the owners strapped by a leash right now, because the owners believe these draft picks will be a cornerstone for their team, and how often does that actually work out?

Scouts have every right to discuss contracts with prospects, and if they were smart about it, they would explain how they have no problem forking over the dough if the player meets certain requirements.

atwater27
07-04-2008, 03:13 AM
The veterans get the shaft over rookie salaries. That's my concern.
I mean seriously. When teams with the 1st several picks are groaning and looking to trade down because they don't feel like giving half their payroll to one player, it's time to fix something.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-04-2008, 05:53 AM
Dude that rookie cap is bullshit anyway. These owners make more than enough money to pay veterans. They just choose not too. There does not need to be a rookie cap. If you dont want to pay a kid 25-30 million guaranteed then stop draftign crappy talent so y our record would be better. the NFL is like no other sport in the world. Your one injury away from being on the streets. I say let them make there cash. The owners are not the ones having a problem with it anyway. Its a PR stunt. Its only the first few picks thats getting those huge bonuses anyway. If there going to do something about it then just make the contracts with more incentives.......

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-04-2008, 05:55 AM
Look at the Titans....they have probably the best DT in the NFL.......Wont pay him the money he deserves but id idnt hear them crying about having to pay VY all that cash with the number 3 pick... If players want to blame somebody then blame the owners or GM whoever is in charge of it.

Scarface
07-04-2008, 11:54 AM
I am for giving ALL rookies league minimum salaries and decent bonuses depending on how "elite" they are. Let them earn their keep. Most can make decent money in endorsements. Give the proven veterans the big money. Rookies need to earn their pay straight up. I'm sure most NFL players silently think the same way, but for union reasons they won't make a peep.

I wouldn't go so far as league minimum salaries but I would structure it like the NBA where the salaries are already built in for the pick you were taken with.

Ziggy
07-04-2008, 12:05 PM
I wouldn't go so far as league minimum salaries but I would structure it like the NBA where the salaries are already built in for the pick you were taken with.

Agreed. They should be 3 year contracts. That's enough time for a player to prove that he deserves to be paid top money. That way, the scrubs get diddly and the proven vets get the big money. The way the rookie salaries are headed right now, teams will have half of thier cap allotted to first and second year players before too long. Something has to change.

gobroncsnv
07-04-2008, 12:45 PM
Dude that rookie cap is bullshit anyway. These owners make more than enough money to pay veterans. They just choose not too. There does not need to be a rookie cap. If you dont want to pay a kid 25-30 million guaranteed then stop draftign crappy talent so y our record would be better. the NFL is like no other sport in the world. Your one injury away from being on the streets. I say let them make there cash. The owners are not the ones having a problem with it anyway. Its a PR stunt. Its only the first few picks thats getting those huge bonuses anyway. If there going to do something about it then just make the contracts with more incentives.......

So just how much MORE do you want to pay for a single game-day ticket, or for getting the Sunday Ticket, or for an NFL-licensed jersey, or all of the other already over-priced stuff. Don't even TRY to tell me these costs don't trickle down to the fans. The game is out of control on spending, and they pass the costs right along to us.

Simple Jaded
07-04-2008, 12:55 PM
That's pretty modest. I don't see how that would screw anybody.

11 million was the same bonus Cutler got at a higher pick two years ago, until they implement a rookie salary cap this seems pretty fair to me.

And the differences between Levi Brown's contract and the one Clady/Williams will sign goes beyond just guaranteed money, we need to compare Clady's contract with that of last years 12th pick, and next years 12th pick. Then between this years 11th pick and this years 13th pick......

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-04-2008, 09:28 PM
So just how much MORE do you want to pay for a single game-day ticket, or for getting the Sunday Ticket, or for an NFL-licensed jersey, or all of the other already over-priced stuff. Don't even TRY to tell me these costs don't trickle down to the fans. The game is out of control on spending, and they pass the costs right along to us.

Dude owners are greedy regardless. If there is a cap all those prices are going to remain the same. Therefore NOTHING changes.

rcsodak
07-05-2008, 12:18 AM
That's pretty modest. I don't see how that would screw anybody.

$2.4M per year is bad?

I agree, Kaylore...


Good grief. Compare that to Long or the top 3!

Bargain Center!!!!

rcsodak
07-05-2008, 12:23 AM
8/2/2007: Signed a six-year, $62 million contract. The deal includes $18.1 million in guarantees. 2008: $370,000, 2009: $672,500, 2010: $1.225 million, 2011: $1.7775 million, 2012: $2.33 million (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent

This is Levi Brown's contract from last year. He was a top 5 draft pick. He received 18.1 million in guarantees over six years. That averages out to about 3 million guaranteed each season.

Chris Williams was selected a lot further down the draft board compared to Chris Williams. He was also selected after Ryan Clady. This means Clady will command a bigger pay day than Williams. Williams is getting about 2.2 million guaranteed each season. I would guess that Clady could command a contract similar to Levi Brown or somewhere between Brown and Williams.... Either way you look at it, it isn't modest. It's a lot of money.

Hmmmm...were they related? :lol:

Lonestar
07-05-2008, 02:26 AM
Dude owners are greedy regardless. If there is a cap all those prices are going to remain the same. Therefore NOTHING changes.


For the most part I think your wrong..

I have yet to see and owners that has invested his own money into a franchise that did it for the greed of the game..

None of them are making huge money probably at best a rate of return on there investment.. Probably alot less than if it were invested int a good mutual fund..

Most have huge debts on the financing of there facilities, initial purchase price and any agreements they have with the stadiums they play in.

About the only things I see going up each year is salary cap.. Are the owners supposed to pay for that out of their own pockets?

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-05-2008, 05:57 AM
For the most part I think your wrong..

I have yet to see and owners that has invested his own money into a franchise that did it for the greed of the game..

None of them are making huge money probably at best a rate of return on there investment.. Probably alot less than if it were invested int a good mutual fund..

Most have huge debts on the financing of there facilities, initial purchase price and any agreements they have with the stadiums they play in.

About the only things I see going up each year is salary cap.. Are the owners supposed to pay for that out of their own pockets?


Lmao dude do you know the NFL is a billion doller buisness??? Are you gonna stop watching football because the ticket prices went up? Are people going to stop going to the game because the prices went up? No its not an issue. NFL players careers are shorter than any other sport. Owners are all greedy there making hundreds of millions of dollers. They have no once complained about paying rookies the big deals. They might be hesitant in some contract negotiations but they always get DONE. Scout well, Evaluate talent well and win some game and you wont have to worry about picking top 3 and paying a guy big money. Because lets be serious your NOT going to change the way the whole draft is because of 3 picks....Thats what its all about those first 3 picks. Everybody else is perfectly fine with the system. So u untill i see empty stands and nobody buying NFl product and the ratings are dead. Dont try to make a ROOKIE cap a big deal. Roger Goodell knows this is a PR stunt.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-05-2008, 06:01 AM
Fans are something else. So much jealousy towards these college players. I salute Matt Ryan for being paid big time cash. He proved hes worth the risk in college. Wether he works out or not that remains to be seen. But one blow and his career could be over then what? Too bad?? Please. These guys deserve the money. If you dont think he is going to be motivated to be the best he can be then dont draft him.

elsid13
07-05-2008, 07:50 AM
So Clady gets 12 million signing bonus over 6 years (max deal for a rookie) plus a base salary in 600K to 800K range (that escalates as the years go by) is that bad?

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
07-05-2008, 08:21 AM
So Clady gets 12 million signing bonus over 6 years (max deal for a rookie) plus a base salary in 600K to 800K range (that escalates as the years go by) is that bad?

No, Hes a LT and hes going to play for 12 years ata high level. Best pure LT in a draft full of good ones that went in the first.

Lonestar
07-05-2008, 10:24 AM
Lmao dude do you know the NFL is a billion doller buisness??? Are you gonna stop watching football because the ticket prices went up? Are people going to stop going to the game because the prices went up? No its not an issue. NFL players careers are shorter than any other sport. Owners are all greedy there making hundreds of millions of dollers. They have no once complained about paying rookies the big deals. They might be hesitant in some contract negotiations but they always get DONE. Scout well, Evaluate talent well and win some game and you wont have to worry about picking top 3 and paying a guy big money. Because lets be serious your NOT going to change the way the whole draft is because of 3 picks....Thats what its all about those first 3 picks. Everybody else is perfectly fine with the system. So u untill i see empty stands and nobody buying NFl product and the ratings are dead. Dont try to make a ROOKIE cap a big deal. Roger Goodell knows this is a PR stunt.

Again I think you are wrong with the premise that no one has complained, nor are the owners making millions. Considering their investments of hundreds of million and the debt most of them carry for their buildings, they own plus their part of any stadium deals..

What do you really feel was the impetuses of them opting out of the NFLPA contract starting in 2001?

There is NO businessman alive that wants to spend any money on an unproven player, part, technology.. and that my friend is what rookies are..

In an earlier contract they got the cap and they forgot to plug the signing bonus hole an agent and GM found it, on the next contract they managed to fine tune it so the huge bonuses could be spread over the life of the contract. Now the signing bonus has been a rat hole they can no longer afford.

I'm just going out on limb here and say you have never owned a business, are young and never been in management of a business.

Lonestar
07-05-2008, 10:25 AM
Lmao dude do you know the NFL is a billion doller buisness??? Are you gonna stop watching football because the ticket prices went up? Are people going to stop going to the game because the prices went up? No its not an issue. NFL players careers are shorter than any other sport. Owners are all greedy there making hundreds of millions of dollers. They have no once complained about paying rookies the big deals. They might be hesitant in some contract negotiations but they always get DONE. Scout well, Evaluate talent well and win some game and you wont have to worry about picking top 3 and paying a guy big money. Because lets be serious your NOT going to change the way the whole draft is because of 3 picks....Thats what its all about those first 3 picks. Everybody else is perfectly fine with the system. So u untill i see empty stands and nobody buying NFl product and the ratings are dead. Dont try to make a ROOKIE cap a big deal. Roger Goodell knows this is a PR stunt.

Again I think you are wrong with the premise that no one has complained, nor are the owners making millions. Considering their investments of hundreds of million and the debt most of them carry for their buildings, they own plus their part of any stadium deals..



I just noted this in the RMN kinda debunks yuor saying NO owner has complained..

NFL commish would pay rookies less
Associated Press
Originally published 11:45 a.m., June 27, 2008
Updated 11:46 a.m., June 27, 2008
CHAUTAUQUA, N.Y. — NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell believes its “ridiculous” to reward untested rookies with lucrative contracts and wants the issue addressed in contract talks.

“There’s something wrong about the system,” Goodell said Friday. “The money should go to people who perform.”

Goodell referred to Michigan tackle Jake Long’s five-year, $57.75 million contract — with $30 million guaranteed. Long was the first overall draft pick by the Miami Dolphins in April.

“He doesn’t have to play a down in the NFL and he already has his money,” Goodell said during a question-and-answer period at the end of a weeklong sports symposium at the Chautauqua Institution. “Now, with the economics where they are, the consequences if you don’t evaluate that player, you can lose a significant amount of money.

“And that money is not going to players that are performing. It’s going to a player that never makes it in the NFL. And I think that’s ridiculous.”

Goodell said he favors lowering salaries offered to rookies, but allowing a provision for those players to renegotiate their deals after proving themselves on the field.
His statement was greeted by a long round of applause from the estimated crowd of 2,000 inside the amphitheater.

Speaking to reporters before his appearance, Goodell said he plans to open negotiations with the players union on a revamped labor deal this fall. He’s listened to concerns from all 32 owners in meetings over the past month.

“We just finished a series of one-on-one meetings with all 32 teams, where I have a better understanding and people have a better understanding of the economics each team is facing,” Goodell said. “I think we can identify what it is we need in a negotiation to continue to make the agreement work for the NFL and for the players.”

Goodell said the key need is to have the NFL Players’ Association appreciate the financial challenges owners face with rising stadium construction costs and a faltering economy. Those issues were not anticipated in the previous collective bargaining agreement, which provided players a 60 percent share of the league’s gross revenues.

“As our costs increase outside of player costs, that other 40 percent ... squeezes the margins and just makes it financially unworkable,” Goodell said. “There has to be some more recognition of the costs.”

League owners, last month, voted unanimously to opt out of the CBA that was signed in spring 2006. The decision to opt out maintains labor peace through 2011, but will result in changes regarding the NFL’s salary cap and contract signings if a new deal is not signed by March 2009.

Goodell referred to next March as a deadline, but “not the end deadline,” but hoped a deal could be reached by then. If not, teams will enter the following season without a salary cap. While there are concerns some of the NFL’s richer teams would use their vast resources to buy up star players, there’s also a drawback for players.

Under the new rules, the time for free agency in an uncapped year would rise from four years to six and allow teams to protect one extra player with franchise or transition tags. In addition, the two-year lag would allow many teams to extend the contracts of their most important players, maintaining the continuity that is important to winning teams.

Goodell acknowledged the NFL and its owners failed to foresee the economic issues that would face the league when the last CBA was approved.

“There have been some things that none of us could’ve envisioned,” Goodell said. “You have an economy that’s weakening. You have aspects of the deal that we didn’t realize that we were going to be building billion-dollar stadiums. ... Things happen. I don’t look back at it as a mistake. I look back at it as what do we need to do going forward?”

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/27/nfl-commish-would-pay-rookies-less/




What do you really feel was the impetuses of them opting out of the NFLPA contract starting in 2001?

There is NO businessman alive that wants to spend any money on an unproven player, part, technology.. and that my friend is what rookies are..

In an earlier contract they got the cap and they forgot to plug the signing bonus hole an agent and GM found it, on the next contract they managed to fine tune it so the huge bonuses could be spread over the life of the contract. Now the signing bonus has been a rat hole they can no longer afford.

I'm just going out on limb here and say you have never owned a business, are young and never been in management of a business.


BTW using the enter function to make paragraphs makes your post much easier to read..

Requiem / The Dagda
07-05-2008, 02:37 PM
Clady's bonus money will probably be in the 15 million dollar range, give or take a few. I honestly couldn't care less. It's not like we're lacking salary cap room in the future. If he lives up to potential, I guess from a football standpoint, he'd be worth every penny. It's not really that big of a deal at all.