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T.K.O.
08-04-2010, 06:04 PM
LenDale White lands in Denver
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2010 6:56 PM ET
The Seahawks unceremoniously cut running back LenDale White during offseason workouts. To make matter worse, White ended up on the wrong end of a four-game suspension.

We assumed that White would serve his time and eventually be signed by the Bengals.

But necessity intervened in Denver, where running backs like Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter have dropped like flies.

Per a league source, White has signed a two-year deal to join the Broncos.

White entered the league in 2006 as a second-round pick of the Titans. But he wore out his welcome in Tennessee, and with Chris Johnson emerging as a star they simply didn't need him.

But then his college coach, Pete Carroll, decided he didn't want White, and he has been available for the past couple of months.

White will be able to practice with the Broncos and participate in the preseason. He'll then leave for the first four weeks of the season.

broncobryce
08-04-2010, 06:06 PM
Wtf?

broncobryce
08-04-2010, 06:06 PM
I hope McD has a doghouse ready.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:06 PM
What about Character and Integrity? :confused:

I would love to have a CO kid play for the hometeam but for real?

So much for all the bullshit the team was selling when it came to Marshall. Apparently that applied ONLY to Marshall.

honz
08-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Dude has talent, I think there's a good risk/reward ratio here. I don't mind the signing at all. I'd rather sign him than a washed up Westbrook or Betts.

broncobryce
08-04-2010, 06:09 PM
What about Character and Integrity? :confused:

I would love to have a CO kid play for the hometeam but for real?

So much for all the bullshit the team was selling when it came to Marshall.

Maybe he will pull a Ced Benson! The good stuff not the bad. :D

atwater27
08-04-2010, 06:10 PM
******* amazing move. Nobody was willing to take a chance on him. he was a red zone monster, we now have at the very least a bonafide short yardage specialist. Lendale is a ton better than people give him credit for. If not for Chris Johnson, he would have put up some pretty awesome numbers in Tenee. You read it here first, Atwater27 says "Great move McD!" (and whoever else was invlolved)

honz
08-04-2010, 06:10 PM
What about Character and Integrity? :confused:

I would love to have a CO kid play for the hometeam but for real?

So much for all the bullshit the team was selling when it came to Marshall.
I'm sorry, but when did the Broncos state that was why they parted with Marshall. Even McD said that the Broncos and Marshall parted on good terms...Brandon said the same. I think it was more of a money issue than anything...we lock up Brandon and either Kupes or Doom is gone right now or leave for nothing this coming offseason. McD has never said that character is the end all, be all when it comes to bringing a guy in, he simply says they factor it in.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:10 PM
Maybe he will pull a Ced Benson! The good stuff not the bad. :D

I HOPE SO! I like LenDale, a lot. I have met him a few times. Don't get me wrong, I am not down on the move just the hypocrisy in the message.

silkamilkamonico
08-04-2010, 06:11 PM
What about Character and Integrity? :confused:

I would love to have a CO kid play for the hometeam but for real?

So much for all the bullshit the team was selling when it came to Marshall. Apparently that applied ONLY to Marshall.

Marshall was an asset. This guy isn't. He does one wrong thing in Denver he'll be shown the door without any goodbyes and goodlucks whatsoever.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:12 PM
I'm sorry, but when did the Broncos state that was why they parted with Marshall. Even McD said that the Broncos and Marshall parted on good terms...Brandon said the same. I think it was more of a money issue than anything...we lock up Brandon and either Kupes or Doom is gone right now or leave for nothing this coming offseason. McD has never said that character is the end all, be all when it comes to bringing a guy in, he simply says they factor it in.

Character was mentioned SEVERAL times during Marshallgate I and II! The message was loud and clear. Also, I don't put as much stock into the parting words as they are virtually weightless for the obvious reasons.

broncofaninfla
08-04-2010, 06:13 PM
Who did we cut to make room?

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:13 PM
Marshall was an asset. This guy isn't. He does one wrong thing in Denver he'll be shown the door without any goodbyes and goodlucks whatsoever.

Fine. I don't have a problem with that so long as McDaniels didn't structure a stupid deal like he did with Simms and there is a big cap hit associated with it.

Dirk
08-04-2010, 06:16 PM
With the suspension...I am absolutely shocked on this move. Maybe he had a heart to heart with him and told him if he screws up again he is toast.

SR
08-04-2010, 06:17 PM
It's about time we have a legitimate red zone threat. We haven't had that since Howard Griffith. I like the signing as long as he keeps his head on straight.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:17 PM
The RZ benefits, as Atwater has pointed out, is WELL worth it!

broncofaninfla
08-04-2010, 06:18 PM
We cut Kolby Smith

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 06:18 PM
Who did we cut to make room?

Kolby Smith

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:19 PM
We cut Kolby Smith

Well....at least we don't have to worry about Kolby Smith threads like the Hillis ones :lol:

broncofaninfla
08-04-2010, 06:19 PM
Kolby Smith

Thanks, I got the text as soon as I posted the question, LOL!!!

DenBronx
08-04-2010, 06:20 PM
ghetto

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Hide the Tequila!

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 06:21 PM
If this is true, how in the hell can it hurt?

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 06:22 PM
I really like this signing, especially if he keeps his head on straight. He is a very talented guy and the red zone thread we have lacked for a while. Too bad we won't get him till week 5.

Nomad
08-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Well, Buff called this one, saying the BRONCOS land White! Hopefully it's a good thing!

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 06:23 PM
If this is true, how in the hell can it hurt?

It can hurt the Denver Tebows because those could be the hypothetical RZ carries His Highness might have had.

topscribe
08-04-2010, 06:23 PM
LenDale is pumped. He was spotted already working out.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/imager/rip-terribly-photoshopped-lenwhale-white-pic/b/original/1476669/281b/LenWhaleTraining.jpg

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Slick
08-04-2010, 06:24 PM
I don't mind the signing but not being able to play for four weeks doesn't really help our gimpy backfield to start the season. I'm mildly surprised by this move. I wish the hometown kid well.

Tempus Fugit
08-04-2010, 06:26 PM
Well, given who was replaced, I don't see any issue here unless the contract is just ridiculous, which I'm sure it's not.

T.K.O.
08-04-2010, 06:35 PM
The NFL has suspended free agent running back LenDale White for four games for violating the league's substance-abuse policy and free agent defensive tackle Hollis Thomas for eight games for violating its performance-enhancing substances policy.




League spokesman Randall Liu confirmed the suspensions Thursday in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

White has acknowledged smoking marijuana. But he and Herman White, an uncle who has been training the running back since his release in May by Seattle, don't think that was the reason the Seahawks abruptly cut him weeks after trading for him.


If the 25-year-old White signs with a team he will be eligible to practice and play in preseason games, but he must miss the first four regular-season games of 2010.


The 6-foot-1 White ballooned past 265 pounds while falling out of favor with the Tennessee Titans. White lost weight because he said he quit drinking tequila before last season, :laugh:but then Chris Johnson emerged as a 2,000-yard rusher and the star of Tennessee's franchise.


After the Titans traded him to Seattle for draft picks in April, White reported to the Seahawks weighing 219 pounds. Seattle Coach Pete Carroll, for whom White starred at USC, said it was the lightest he'd seen the runner since high school. It appeared White was poised to become the lead rusher in the Seahawks' new offense.


Yet the Seahawks found White lacked the proper work ethic and cut him in late May. General manager John Schneider said at the time that "it became apparent at this time that LenDale was not ready to be a member of the Seattle Seahawks."


White, a native of Denver, has been working out with his uncle in Colorado and hoping another NFL team will call.


"He needs to look himself in the mirror. He needs to do what he needs to do (to get back in the league)," Herman White said. "If there are maturity issues and his work habits are issues, he has to address those — if there is any validity to those allegations.


"If he receives the call and he's not ready, he needs to deal with the ramifications of that."

claymore
08-04-2010, 06:41 PM
Im am reserving judement on this until Carol tells us what she thinks.

titan
08-04-2010, 06:44 PM
I like the move. White has alot of talent and he's still young (only 25 years old). With the Broncos short yardage woes last year we could use a power back like White. Kolby Smith is no loss at all. White has much more upside than the over-the-hill veteran running backs out there (like Betts).

White can play in the preseason and take rotations in camp while Moreno and Buck heal - at worst he gives the team another rb for a few weeks with the potential to be much more than that.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Im am reserving judement on this until Carol tells us what she thinks.

Well Clay - I just posted the article from the Denver Post, but it double posted, so I deleted it, and will repost. What do I think - being familiar with LenDale as he played here, and also working in the past with someone who coached him before he played HS ball, I truly hope it works out for him, as when he has his head on straight, he is a very good football player.

claymore
08-04-2010, 06:47 PM
Well Clay - I just posted the article from the Denver Post, but it double posted, so I deleted it, and will repost. What do I think - being familiar with LenDale as he played here, and also working in the past with someone who coached him before he played HS ball, I truly hope it works out for him, as when he has his head on straight, he is a very good football player.

Then I like him to. But I love you. Mad respect for you girl. <3

frauschieze
08-04-2010, 06:49 PM
I guess this means we're not worried about Moreno and Bucky being ready to start week 1.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 06:50 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15677845

Former local schoolboy hero Lendale White has come home again.

The Broncos have signed White, the former Denver South and Chatfield High School star who played his college ball at the University of Southern California, and in the NFL with the Tennessee Titans.

To make room for White, the Broncos waived veteran running back Kolby Smith.

White will start the season serving a four-game suspension for testing positive for a banned substance.

"It hurt because it set him back in his career but things have worked out and I'm sure he's going to see his opportunity," said Herman White, White's uncle and advisor.

White is already inside the Broncos' headquarters attending meetings. It's unclear whether he will participate in the Broncos' practice that is scheduled to start at 5:30 p.m.

White worked out for the Broncos along with former Washington running back Ladell Betts and former Chicago Bears running back Adrian N. Peterson. The Broncos chose White, who has had more success as a power running back in recent years with the Tennessee Titans.

White was recently released by Seattle, whose coach, Peter Carroll, was his coach at USC.

The Broncos' decision to sign a veteran running back is an indication they are either concerned about the hamstring injury that starting tailback Knowshon Moreno suffered during the team's first training-camp practice Sunday, or they simply needed a power back.

Betts and Peterson are also power-back types. The Broncos did not replace their power backs from last year, LaMont Jordan or Peyton Hillis, with the exception of signing undrafted rookie Toney Baker.

Because White can't play in the first four games, the team must be confident that Moreno will return by preseason's end, and that Correll Buckhalter, who was also injured Sunday with an pulled muscle in his upperback/lower neck, will return no later than Monday.

DenBronx
08-04-2010, 07:02 PM
I guess this means we're not worried about Moreno and Bucky being ready to start week 1.

I don't think their injuries are as bad as originally thought.

I'd rather Whites fat ass take the shots instead of Moreno or Bucky in short yardage situations. Hopefully Moreno after his hamstring heals can stay injury free this year and maybe White will lighten the load.

broncobryce
08-04-2010, 07:11 PM
I love him as a player, but I see this ending badly. Seeing all his old friends back home, one of them is guaranteed to want to light one up with Lendale. Can he say no? We'll see.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 07:15 PM
Very scary point.

BORDERLINE
08-04-2010, 07:17 PM
I really wanna see how this turns out....hopefully for the better....i woul have much rather kept hillis but that issue is over...good luck LenDale

nevcraw
08-04-2010, 07:20 PM
somewhere in Ohio - one Peyton Hillis is smilin' that goofy confused grin of his..

broncobryce
08-04-2010, 07:22 PM
somewhere in Ohio - one Peyton Hillis is smilin' that goofy confused grin of his..

But, probably not because he's high.......:lol:

T.K.O.
08-04-2010, 07:25 PM
he can't play in the first 4 games when we would likely need to rest moreno......:confused:

TXBRONC
08-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Who did we cut to make room?

That's a very good question.

TimTebow15MVP
08-04-2010, 07:29 PM
this is simply a camp body and if he booms in camp and pre season then he might stick around, if he doesnt then oh well, Broncos also were in contact with ladell betts....You think he was going to be long term? NO.

the broncos were not going to pay and extend guys with bad character and they didnt, Marshall Cutler sheffler GONE all punk bitches who wanted big cash. signing lendale white for chump money is not the same. Were not INVESTING in a white type of player with picking him up. Hes just a body. signing marshall and cutler to 5-6 year top money deals is a huge investment in two chumps. Signing Dooms and kuper= awesome investment in two great players with great character.

So all you MCD haters......blah.

As if Lendale white can disrupt our locker room when he can be cut any time. Signing marshall to a 5 year deal 20 plus guaranteed...How ya gonna cut him when he starts punting balls again? lol

DenBronx
08-04-2010, 07:39 PM
somewhere in Ohio - one Peyton Hillis is smilin' that goofy confused grin of his..

And Hillis can do anything White can do plus catch out of the backfield. The difference is Hillis actually isn't a head case.


Why why why why whyyyyyyyy did we ever get rid of him?

TXBRONC
08-04-2010, 07:41 PM
Im am reserving judement on this until Carol tells us what she thinks.


Well Clay - I just posted the article from the Denver Post, but it double posted, so I deleted it, and will repost. What do I think - being familiar with LenDale as he played here, and also working in the past with someone who coached him before he played HS ball, I truly hope it works out for him, as when he has his head on straight, he is a very good football player.


Then I like him to. But I love you. Mad respect for you girl. <3

Carol please make no sudden stops or my friend Clay will end up breaking his nose off in your rear end. :lol:


Just Kidding.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 07:44 PM
I hope it works out for LenDale. Gary Miller showed him on the field at practice, said he got a great ovation from the crowd, was welcomed by Tim and Elvis, and LenDale told Gary it was a dream come true for him, that he was always a Broncos fan, and he is home. This may be more than enough incentive for him to keep himself straight, plus his uncle, who helped coach him when he was younger, is now his adviser. Also, Gary said he signed a two year contract.

rationalfan
08-04-2010, 07:45 PM
another enjoyable thread. glad to see all the great minds are collecting around the virtual water cooler again.

my six cents from reading between lines:

- after a few days of featuring second or third tier backs like kolby smith and bruce hall, the coaching staff obviously didn't feel comfortable with their reserves. more importantly, this could be doom for toney baker. if he was the only "big" back on the roster, they didn't have faith in him either.

- the coaches aren't confident in moreno or buckhalter in short yardage situations. and, probably not in tebow either (or, they don't want to harm him).

- i'm not sure how this signing corresponds to peyton hillis' departure, but since the homeboys still crushing on hillis can't enter a thread without mentioning him, the white signing is a reminder that hillis wasn't the unstoppable manbeast some people believe he is. he doesn't have the power of white, nor the tequila tolerance.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 07:48 PM
Coach did not need to wait to make the cut on Smith, once he knew he was not going to cut the mustard then bam.

We all know Josh has an itchy trigger finger. That is RB No.2 in less than a week.

I don't know if this was as much about liking White as it was sending the message that no one ought to get comfortable, or complacent, and that Josh will not waste time in camp evaluating players whom he has already made a decision that they are not going to make the team.

McDaniels is keeping the players on the competetive edge to make their game as razor sharp as possible.

Will White show he has the goods, well guess what? He better or he could very well be next.

frauschieze
08-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Coach did not need to wait to make the cut on Smith, once he knew he was not going to cut the mustard then bam.

We all know Josh has an itchy trigger finger. That is RB No.2 in less than a week.

I don't know if this was as much about liking White as it was sending the message that no one ought to get comfortable, or complacent, and that Josh will not waste time in camp evaluating players whom he has already made a decision that they are not going to make the team.

McDaniels is keeping the players on the competetive edge to make their game as razor sharp as possible.

Will White show he has the goods, well guess what? He better or he could very well be next.

Whoa....when did Chad come back? :D

RedFalcon
08-04-2010, 07:52 PM
Why of all running backs, LenDale White? :shocked:

nevcraw
08-04-2010, 08:00 PM
another enjoyable thread. glad to see all the great minds are collecting around the virtual water cooler again.

my six cents from reading between lines:

- after a few days of featuring second or third tier backs like kolby smith and bruce hall, the coaching staff obviously didn't feel comfortable with their reserves. more importantly, this could be doom for toney baker. if he was the only "big" back on the roster, they didn't have faith in him either.

- the coaches aren't confident in moreno or buckhalter in short yardage situations. and, probably not in tebow either (or, they don't want to harm him).

- i'm not sure how this signing corresponds to peyton hillis' departure, but since the homeboys still crushing on hillis can't enter a thread without mentioning him, the white signing is a reminder that hillis wasn't the unstoppable manbeast some people believe he is. he doesn't have the power of white, nor the tequila tolerance.

or they took a flyer on a local local bruiser to play mop up during preseason while they kick themselves in their own ass while lamenting handing over the best running back ever to walk the earth for a nut grabber and some belly lint..
peyton hillis > every one of the 289 posts by rationalfan:welcome:

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 08:05 PM
Why of all running backs, LenDale White? :shocked:

OK I am from the AFC South White has not even reached half of the height of the bar of expectations set for him when he was drafted.

I thought he was a steal in the second round. Now nothing like seeing what could have been flushed down the drain. For two months he sat there rotting like a corpse, but on the third month he rose.

Now this is Whites shot to be Lazarus, to be resurrected from the dead. White has an opportunity to actually be a feel good inspirational story of victory snatched from the jaws of defeat.

As a coach you want to impress upon your players yyou are not just about giving good character players a shot, but to give players who have had less than desirable pasts another chance to live up to the expectations that so many believed he could live up too.

This is just another way the coach is reaching out to inspire his players. He wins either way whether White makes the grade or not. :beer:

DenBronx
08-04-2010, 08:06 PM
Even if we were to resign Selvin Young people would be making excuses on how great of an idea or good of a fit he would be here in Denver.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 08:08 PM
White has the talent to be a good runningback. Just way too unprofessional to become a consistent threat in this league.

Horrible attitude and most importantly (the thing people tend to forget) is he doesnt know how to take care of his body. I'd have much rather had Betts knowing he can play the first 4 weeks of the season with Knowshon's Hamstring situation.

I just dont get this signing at all.

Lonestar
08-04-2010, 08:12 PM
Character was mentioned SEVERAL times during Marshallgate I and II! The message was loud and clear. Also, I don't put as much stock into the parting words as they are virtually weightless for the obvious reasons.


There was an article the other day that stated Marshall just flat wanted to much for his character issues for them to be happy with.

Do not ask for a link as iw as in here some where. perhaps someone else remembers it.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 08:17 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

Broncos sign Lendale White. Two hours later, he's on the field practicing with the team. Wonder if his cousin Chauncey helped land him here? about 1 hour ago via web

I forgot that Chauncey and Lendale were cousins.

OrangeHoof
08-04-2010, 08:20 PM
I hope McD has a doghouse ready.

...a large one.

OrangeHoof
08-04-2010, 08:25 PM
This is just another way the coach is reaching out to inspire his players. He wins either way whether White makes the grade or not. :beer:

Shanahan brings in bad apples: It shows he's a poor judge of character.

McDaniels brings in bad apples: It just shows he's reaching out to inspire his players.

Nice spin.

honz
08-04-2010, 08:27 PM
...a large one.

To be fair, Lendale weighed in at 219 when he reported to the Seahawks.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 08:41 PM
That is over 30 pounds shed~!!

Northman
08-04-2010, 08:50 PM
Waste of space. Literally.

Timmy!
08-04-2010, 08:54 PM
White has some talent and could be the short yardage beast we need. Maybe being "home" is just what he needs. The Broncos could have done worse, that said I'd have preferred Fargas if we are just adding a back to keep the mileage off Moreno and Bucky.

WARHORSE
08-04-2010, 09:03 PM
Whats all the hubbub about us not putting character at a premium?


Lendale has done what?



In Denver, he is brand new, and guess what?

I bet this kid has a fire up his butt being dumped uncerimoniously by the Hawks.

If he needed a slap in the face, he got it.

Now will he learn? We shall see.

He has very simply, an opportunity to help this ballclub.


Can anyone begrudge him that?


Let the football gods deal with him, and let the chips fall where they may.

DenBronx
08-04-2010, 09:04 PM
White has some talent and could be the short yardage beast we need. Maybe being "home" is just what he needs. The Broncos could have done worse, that said I'd have preferred Fargas if we are just adding a back to keep the mileage off Moreno and Bucky.



I would have rather had Fargas too. Not sure why we never brought him in, at least to learn some of the Raiders plays. Fargas has always been a tough runner.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 09:12 PM
Tebow~~~~~> Lendale White in goal line situations.

and youre only kidding yourself if you dont think Tebow will get any reps in that situation this year.

Horrendous signing.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 09:14 PM
I bet this kid has a fire up his butt being dumped uncerimoniously by the Hawks.

If he needed a slap in the face, he got it.

Now will he learn? We shall see.

Yes a slap in the face is exactly what he probably needed. This guy is like a rocket that fizzled right of the landing pad. It still has a lot of fuel left in the tank, Can Josh reignite it?

I am curious.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 09:16 PM
Tebow~~~~~> Lendale White in goal line situations.

and youre only kidding yourself if you dont think Tebow will get any reps in that situation this year.

Horrendous signing.

So Tebow is not going to be forced to pound his body into the ground, how is this a bad thing again?

TimTebow15MVP
08-04-2010, 09:19 PM
So Tebow is not going to be forced to pound his body into the ground, how is this a bad thing again?

Lol no bullshit

broncophan
08-04-2010, 09:27 PM
Seems kind of out of character for McD to make this move.....with this type of player.
I hope Lendale helps us though.....being suspended for the first 4 games will not help him make the team.....so he will have to work that much harder to even earn a spot.....

Bosco
08-04-2010, 09:27 PM
I don't think this move is at all hypocritical of McDaniels. He, just like every other team in the league, including the Patriots, will take risks on talented players. The difference is that they make sure to cover their asses.

nevcraw
08-04-2010, 09:32 PM
I don't think this move is at all hypocritical of McDaniels. .

cough: shocker.....

Superchop 7
08-04-2010, 09:34 PM
Good character guy.

CrazyHorse
08-04-2010, 09:34 PM
LenWhale. At least it wasn't Lamont Jordan.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 09:36 PM
http://twitter.com/postbroncos

McDaniels said he and LenDale had a long talk about LenDale's past mistakes. Was part of the eval process. 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 09:36 PM
Good Job Carol

How in the hell do fans get off thinking they are smarter than the head coach? Give Josh a chance he just started.

Hey Josh your stupid.

Josh what the hell is your problem?

Josh how in the hell did you even get this job?

Josh clearly understands where this guy was headed, before his career crashed, and he also understands the ramifications it would have on the team if White could resurrect the career of a player who everyone has wrote off despite the potential he had just a few years ago.

Josh is an idiot for giving a guy a chance? WOW

This after the guy made great strides to get back to fighting weight, great strides to rebuild his reputation?

I think Josh recognizes a geniune commitment to make wrong right and I think this is exactly what he saw in White. :beer:
Way to go Josh prove all the experts wrong. That is an amazing feeling.

Man I am so enjoying the saga of the Denver Broncos this season.

Superchop 7
08-04-2010, 09:42 PM
Josh is a hypocrite.

We all know the liar aspect.

If you stand for something, then STAND FOR SOMETHING.

Does anyone have a bio on Perrish Cox ?

nevcraw
08-04-2010, 09:45 PM
LenWhale. At least it wasn't Lamont Jordan.

make up your mind jagsbch.

oh wait..

camdisco24
08-04-2010, 09:48 PM
Could be very interesting...
If Tebow can bring his college goal line glory to the NFL, we have a pretty nice goal line threat with the signing of Lendale. Even if Tebow busts in the NFL, White will be a great pick-up for us and our short yardage game. And lets be honest, our short yardage game has been MEGA FAIL recently.

I like the signing, has more upside than downside IMO.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 09:49 PM
Josh is a hypocrite.

We all know the liar aspect.

If you stand for something, then STAND FOR SOMETHING.

Does anyone have a bio on Perrish Cox ?

Does standing up on the behalf of someone and giving them a chance to rebuild their character make him a hypocrite?

Should Josh refuse to forgive White for being resposible in destroying his character and reputation, despite the effort White has made in rebuilding both his reputation and the condition of his body to the point of actually attempting to pick up where he left off when he disapointed the expectations that so many had in him?

Let him without sin cast the first stone.

There is no need to be stoning White, especially if the coach see's redeemable qualities in him.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 09:53 PM
People are acting like this is a big time signing...


a signing that wouldnt have been made had not Moreno and Buckhalter been injured on sunday. HA!

camdisco24
08-04-2010, 09:55 PM
People are acting like this is a big time signing...


a signing that wouldnt have been made had not Moreno and Buckhalter been injured on sunday. HA!

How do you know that? :confused:
Coachs could have seen a lack of short yardage power and weighed their options.
We signed a guy thats out for 4 weeks to start the season, how could the Bucky and Knowshon injuries really go hand in hand??????

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 10:00 PM
That is the thing with Smith cut there was an opening for another RB and it is not as if Josh chose the first RB he saw, was not White No.3?

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:00 PM
How do you know that? :confused:
Coachs could have seen a lack of short yardage power and weighed their options.
We signed a guy thats out for 4 weeks to start the season, how could the Bucky and Knowshon injuries really go hand in hand??????

well knowing that Buckhalter and Knowshon have been injury prone their entire football career along with the fact they were injured the first day of training camp.

I know all the "happy slappy" fans get all excited because the Broncos signed somebody, but this really isnt a big deal at all.

White will be lucky to get 40 carries this year

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 10:08 PM
There was no report previously that the Broncos were working out LenDale. The twitter post from Lindsay Jones said that Coach McD said that part of the evaluation process was to sit down with LenDale and talk about his previous problems. With LenDale living in Denver, he may have contacted the Broncos, and it very well could have been before the injuries to Moreno and Buckhalter. Does not make sense that the first thing we hear about LenDale is when the Broncos signed him - this could have been in the works for a while.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:09 PM
Lendale was definately worked out today, If not today than sometime by the Broncos

It probably wasnt reported because Broncos kicked out all the media and fans during private work outs today.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 10:13 PM
Lendale was definately worked out today, If not today than sometime by the Broncos

It probably wasnt reported because Broncos kicked out all the media and fans during private work outs today.

I really think it has been in the works for a while - Coach McD had two practices today - can not see where he would have time to squeeze in a workout also with LenDale, plus an evaluation process.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:17 PM
I really think it has been in the works for a while - Coach McD had two practices today - can not see where he would have time to squeeze in a workout also with LenDale, plus an evaluation process.

The Broncos held private work outs today around 2PM and kicked EVERYBODY out of Dove Valley.

There was no word whether Lendale was involved in the work outs but I'd be surprised if he wasnt.

If this was in the works Betts wouldnt have even been called.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 10:19 PM
In Denver, he is brand new, and guess what?

In Denver Maurice Clarrett, Dale Carter, and Daryl Gardener were brand new.

Just sayin :coffee:

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:22 PM
In Denver Maurice Clarrett, Dale Carter, and Daryl Gardener were brand new.

Just sayin :coffee:

/thread asap

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 10:24 PM
In Denver Maurice Clarrett, Dale Carter, and Daryl Gardener were brand new.

Just sayin :coffee:


/thread asap

Those were under a different coach.

Just sayin. :coffee:

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 10:25 PM
All I know is that the Broncos just signed a real power back who is in the best shape of his life both physically and mentally.

A real power back is just what this teams short yardage woes of last season needed. This guy is an insurance policy on your franchise quarterback.


jsteve01 broncosfreaks.com
I love, love, love this move. Don't underestimate the impact that being close to Chauncey Billups will have on him. Chauncey has always been the vocal voice of reason in White's life and he's not afraid to smack him in the head when he needs it. They're cousins as Im sure you all know

Little risk with potential to be a huge upside signing. He's a power back who basically got to rest last year and is in the best shape of his life.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 10:25 PM
Those were under a different coach.

Just sayin. :coffee:

Where the peanut gallery applied a completely different line of reasoning when it came to those signings.

Now some of those very same people all of a sudden have a different take.

Just sayin :coffee:

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:27 PM
Those were under a different coach.

Just sayin. :coffee:

If a players talent is held back by an NFL coach he doesnt belong in the league in the first place.

Just saying :cool:

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Where the peanut gallery applied a completely different line of reasoning when it came to those signings.

Now some of those very same people all of a sudden have a different take.

Just sayin :coffee:

Randy Moss worked out for the pats pretty well. Rod Smith also had some character issues early in his career.

You're right though, your three examples prove that people can never turn themselves around. :coffee:

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:28 PM
All I know is that the Broncos just signed a real power back who is in the best shape of his life both physically and mentally.

A real power back is just what this teams short yardage woes of last season needed. This guy is an insurance policy on your franchise quarterback.

This guy was traded to Seattle in April and was cut in May.

Give me a break


edit: not to mention he wasnt signed until training camps were started.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:29 PM
Randy Moss worked out for the pats pretty well. Rod Smith also had some character issues early in his career.

You're right though, your three examples prove that people can never turn themselves around. :coffee:

a head coach was the reason Randy Moss wasnt producing?

Or the fact Oakland was the worst team in the league at that time?

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 10:32 PM
a head coach was the reason Randy Moss wasnt producing?

Or the fact Oakland was the worst team in the league at that time?

The post you quoted had nothing to do with who their coaches were. I was just giving examples of players with character issues who turned themselves around.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 10:32 PM
This guy was traded to Seattle in April and was cut in May.

Give me a break


edit: not to mention he wasnt signed until training camps were started.

Seattle may have cut him because of his 4 game suspension, and that may have stopped other teams from signing him also. I really don't care, I hope he does well here, and has his head on straight now. And with him and Chauncey being cousins, and Chauncey openly stating how he loves the Broncos, I am sure he will be in LenDale's face as much as he can be.

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 10:33 PM
Randy Moss worked out for the pats pretty well. Rod Smith also had some character issues early in his career.

You're right though, your three examples prove that people can never turn themselves around. :coffee:

Do they teach you to go by the exception to the rule down there at Tulane? :confused: I know they talk slow down south but damn.

How did Randy Moss work out for Oakland? How has TO been in Philly, Dallas? Rod Smith was undrafted....big difference. I think that was obvious. There was no real commitment to him until he proved he took care of himself. Tank Johnson? Lawrence Phillips? Far more continue their ways than don't.

You're right though people should live by the exception to the rule as opposed to the rule. :coffee:

NightTrainLayne
08-04-2010, 10:36 PM
Do they teach you to go by the exception to the rule down there at Tulane? :confused: I know they talk slow down south but damn.

How did Randy Moss work out for Oakland? How has TO been in Philly, Dallas? Rod Smith was undrafted....big difference. I think that was obvious. There was no real commitment to him until he proved he took care of himself. Tank Johnson? Lawrence Phillips? Far more continue their ways than don't.

You're right though people should live by the exception to the rule as opposed to the rule. :coffee:

What "real commitment" has been made to White?

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:36 PM
Seattle may have cut him because of his 4 game suspension, and that may have stopped other teams from signing him also. I really don't care, I hope he does well here, and has his head on straight.

Carol- Im hoping like the rest of Bronco nation that he does well in a Broncos uniform, Im just not expecting it..

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 10:37 PM
What "real commitment" has been made to White?

I don't know but I hope it is nothing like the commitment that was made to Simms. Furthermore, I am certain White is making far more than Smith had at that point in his career.

broncobryce
08-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Chauncey Billups is awesome, I didn't know they were cousins. Hopefully he does slap some sense into him. Billups career was a disappointment too until he tore it up with the Pistons. We did need depth so here it is. (fighting back the fat jokes)

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 10:39 PM
I don't know but I hope it is nothing like the commitment that was made to Simms. Furthermore, I am certain White is making far more than Smith had at that point in his career.

Isnt really a commitment at all

There is no such thing as a RB FA signed in August being a "commitment"

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 10:40 PM
This guy was traded to Seattle in April and was cut in May.

Give me a break
LOL since when does a head coach who could not hack it at this level, deserve so much credibility, especially a coach who is running away from his scandel at USC.

I am thinking having a former USC player who is suspended for 4 weeks was too much for the coach to deal with image wise considering all the other skeletons he had in his closet.

Give me a break. What kind of chance could have white possibly got in between the months of May and April?:rolleyes:

Denver Native (Carol)
08-04-2010, 10:41 PM
http://twitter.com/THEREAL_LENDALE

I told u GOD is GOOD!!!! Its official I'm back with the HOME team!!! #PARKHILL what up??? 40 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

jhildebrand
08-04-2010, 10:43 PM
Isnt really a commitment at all

There is no such thing as a RB FA signed in August being a "commitment"

You guys are probably right. I am sure McD learned something from overpaying Simms like he did.

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 10:54 PM
Do they teach you to go by the exception to the rule down there at Tulane? :confused: I know they talk slow down south but damn.

How did Randy Moss work out for Oakland? How has TO been in Philly, Dallas? Rod Smith was undrafted....big difference. I think that was obvious. There was no real commitment to him until he proved he took care of himself. Tank Johnson? Lawrence Phillips? Far more continue their ways than don't.

You're right though people should live by the exception to the rule as opposed to the rule. :coffee:

Tank Johnson hasn't gotten in trouble since 2007. Helps to prove my point more than yours. T.O. also caused no trouble in Buffalo.

Ricky Williams and Ray Lewis are a couple more examples of guys who had character issues and have stayed out of trouble for a while.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 11:02 PM
LOL since when does a head coach who could not hack it at this level, deserve so much credibility, especially a coach who is running away from his scandel at USC.

I am thinking having a former USC player who is suspended for 4 weeks was too much for the coach to deal with image wise considering all the other skeletons he had in his closet.

Give me a break. What kind of chance could have white possibly got in between the months of May and April?:rolleyes:

Obviously it hurt him during those months as he got cut after being traded for...

Also... I love the kiddies who dont realize That Carroll left the NFL with a record over .500, oh also... HE COACHED HIM IN COLLEGE..

shouldnt that be a stop sign? I mean his college coach cut him before august.

Keep entertaining.

TXBRONC
08-04-2010, 11:12 PM
To be fair, Lendale weighed in at 219 when he reported to the Seahawks.

Really? It's sounds like he's pretty good shape.

Jagsbch
08-04-2010, 11:18 PM
Obviously it hurt him during those months as he got cut after being traded for...

Also... I love the kiddies who dont realize That Carroll left the NFL with a record over .500, oh also... HE COACHED HIM IN COLLEGE..

shouldnt that be a stop sign? I mean his college coach cut him before august.

Keep entertaining.

So do tell, what chance did he get to prove himself if it so obvious.

EMB6903
08-04-2010, 11:26 PM
So do tell, what chance did he get to prove himself if it so obvious.

Seeing as his college coach that traded for him during the draft didnt even give him that chance tells you something.

That being said he was drafted in the 2nd round in 2006. Hes had plenty of time to prove himself.

underrated29
08-04-2010, 11:29 PM
Josh is a hypocrite.

We all know the liar aspect.

If you stand for something, then STAND FOR SOMETHING.

Does anyone have a bio on Perrish Cox ?






This is the 3rd or 4th post from you that I have seen that really just sucks. Are you a fan that follows anything at all. Or just someone pissed off and thinks on emotion than with their head.


PS- perrish cox, 5th rdr, 1st round talent, missed curfew by 30 minutes.

BroncoWave
08-04-2010, 11:31 PM
This is the 3rd or 4th post from you that I have seen that really just sucks. Are you a fan that follows anything at all. Or just someone pissed off and thinks on emotion than with their head.


PS- perrish cox, 5th rdr, 1st round talent, missed curfew by 30 minutes.

It's superchop7. He got a new account for some reason.

dogfish
08-04-2010, 11:36 PM
I don't think their injuries are as bad as originally thought.

I'd rather Whites fat ass take the shots instead of Moreno or Bucky in short yardage situations. Hopefully Moreno after his hamstring heals can stay injury free this year and maybe White will lighten the load.

be the first time he's ever lightened a load. . . . :heh:



I don't think this move is at all hypocritical of McDaniels. He, just like every other team in the league, including the Patriots, will take risks on talented players. The difference is that they make sure to cover their asses.

mcD's pattern is pretty clear. . . he's going to put a premium on character with players who require a serious investment, whether that be through the draft or free agency. . . he's much more willing to take character risks on the cheap-- lendale, chris baker, perrish cox. . .

TXBRONC
08-04-2010, 11:42 PM
be the first time he's ever lightened a load. . . . :heh:




mcD's pattern is pretty clear. . . he's going to put a premium on character with players who require a serious investment, whether that be through the draft or free agency. . . he's much more willing to take character risks on the cheap-- lendale, chris baker, perrish cox. . .

I would have preferred to have Betts however, White could work out just fine if he can his weight down and stay out of trouble.

Bosco
08-04-2010, 11:51 PM
I would have preferred to have Betts however, White could work out just fine if he can his weight down and stay out of trouble.

Betts is old and broken down though. At least LenDale White brings the possibility of a semi-long term role player.

Lonestar
08-05-2010, 01:07 AM
Shanahan brings in bad apples: It shows he's a poor judge of character.

McDaniels brings in bad apples: It just shows he's reaching out to inspire his players.

Nice spin.

Just curious how many did mikey desperately bring in over the years and how many has Josh cut from the squad, as well as how many has he signed.

I suspect you will not be able to answer this one with a straight face.

Lonestar
08-05-2010, 01:13 AM
You guys are probably right. I am sure McD learned something from overpaying Simms like he did.


just when are you going to let it go?


I suspect the you were fine with all the fubars that mikey made, to numerous to count.

give it a rest please you used to be a solid poster.

Elevation inc
08-05-2010, 04:02 AM
Even if we were to resign Selvin Young people would be making excuses on how great of an idea or good of a fit he would be here in Denver.

not me if we sign slevin young, or andre hall i am officially against this org.....


im fine with the white signing i like it....it gives are offense a legit short/goal line RB to work with in TC.....im certain outside of lance ball our Depth rb's have made no good or lasting impression.....which is why this move was made....the guy scored 15 TD's for Tenesse a little over a year ago, before being second tier full time while Johnson tried for 2000...he has good talent and actually is a good fit for our running scheme.

We only benefit if he takes to this team and does well.....we will have moreno and bucky and ball to get through the first 4 games.... but it will be nice to have a grinder like white, who actually has good football smarts, when his own immaturity doesnt get in his way....this could be invigorating for this team(as long as he doesnt pull a travis henry), he is home and that is a very underated thing for keeping some in line....both cutler and marshall admitted being home feels great, could be the same for white.

MileHighCrew
08-05-2010, 07:00 AM
In related news the buffet tables we reinforced at Dove Valley yesterday.

BroncoJoe
08-05-2010, 07:29 AM
Let's just say I'm absolutely fine with bringing White in. I'll reserve judgement on him until after the season.

Some guys can turn their lives (personal and professional) around. He very well could be one of them.

SOCALORADO.
08-05-2010, 08:23 AM
I don't think their injuries are as bad as originally thought.

I'd rather Whites fat ass take the shots instead of Moreno or Bucky in short yardage situations. Hopefully Moreno after his hamstring heals can stay injury free this year and maybe White will lighten the load.

I think this is the main reason for this signing.
Its down the stretch week 10-16.
Thats when injuries and wear and tear break down a backfield, and having 2 already injured guys, although they are not serious, White adds much needed power and depth.
He can hammer, and if needed start for weeks at a time if something happened to Moreno or Bucky.

Sconnie Bronco
08-05-2010, 08:36 AM
So, how much are they paying him?

For a team thats emphasizing character, I hope its not much.

This signing is a little surprising with all the red flags around this guy.

Jagsbch
08-05-2010, 08:49 AM
In addition to signing LenDale White, the Broncos also made an offer to RB Ladell Betts today, but he wants to pursue other opportunities

Jason LaCanfora (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/20343904083)

nbenallo33
08-05-2010, 08:55 AM
i like the signing of White but is he suspended for four games or something?

Dirk
08-05-2010, 09:00 AM
i like the signing of White but is he suspended for four games or something?

Yes

He can play the preseason but suspended for the first 4 regular season games.

Sconnie Bronco
08-05-2010, 09:03 AM
i like the signing of White but is he suspended for four games or something?

Yeah, so it doesnt really help where Moreno and Buckhalter being out is concerned. Im not sure if he can play in preseason games.

BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 09:05 AM
Lol no bullshit

1st round qb pick. I don't want to see him pounding the ball

nbenallo33
08-05-2010, 09:05 AM
he should be able to play pre season.. he will be a good battling ram on 3rd and short situations

TXBRONC
08-05-2010, 09:07 AM
i like the signing of White but is he suspended for four games or something?

In a word: yes.

BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Shanahan brings in bad apples: It shows he's a poor judge of character.

McDaniels brings in bad apples: It just shows he's reaching out to inspire his players.

Nice spin.

In all fairness to Jags, he's not a broncos fan and not familiar with the shanahan era. He's just on board until Tebow delivers a sb appearance or busts.

BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 09:17 AM
Good Job Carol

How in the hell do fans get off thinking they are smarter than the head coach? Give Josh a chance he just started.

Hey Josh your stupid.

Josh what the hell is your problem?

Josh how in the hell did you even get this job?

Josh clearly understands where this guy was headed, before his career crashed, and he also understands the ramifications it would have on the team if White could resurrect the career of a player who everyone has wrote off despite the potential he had just a few years ago.

Josh is an idiot for giving a guy a chance? WOW

This after the guy made great strides to get back to fighting weight, great strides to rebuild his reputation?

I think Josh recognizes a geniune commitment to make wrong right and I think this is exactly what he saw in White. :beer:
Way to go Josh prove all the experts wrong. That is an amazing feeling.

Man I am so enjoying the saga of the Denver Broncos this season.

If we drafted Tebow a year or so ago, You would be familiar with the sudden departure of a quarterback by the name of Jay Cutler at the beginning of the JMCD regime. The young man was a first round pick out of Vanderbilt a year before. The JMCD is just getting started jibberish has run it's course.

WARHORSE
08-05-2010, 09:57 AM
In Denver Maurice Clarrett, Dale Carter, and Daryl Gardener were brand new.

Just sayin :coffee:


In Denver, so was Champ, Dawkins, Goody and McDaniels.


Just sayin louder.:coffee:

Ravage!!!
08-05-2010, 10:02 AM
If this was a Shanahan system, I would be ESTATIC about this move!! We know the kid has talent, and we know Shanahan can make a running game out of anyone.

I'm still excited about this move, and just want McD to show us he can give us a running game. I think its a good hire. I personally think this entire "only good guys" drum-beat is a bit on the BS side, to begin with. Players win football games.

Since we weren't smart enough to keep a bruiser like Hillis, I think White will give us some beef with two injured RBs.

arapaho2
08-05-2010, 10:29 AM
i 'm cool with the signing

my issue is with the hypocrisy of the mcd nuthuggers

any player josh cuts or traded..is because he's a locker room cancer, one mistake away from a year suspention (same as white), not a team player, ect

when he brings in a guy that epitomizes the exact traits his followers cant stand..its all good, cause mcd talked to him...wont cost much....doesnt matter if hes cut..cheap...every body can change

Jagsbch
08-05-2010, 10:30 AM
This guy used to toke off of the ol peace pipe. It is not as if this guy has a reputation fore being a drunk and allegedly raping and exposing himself to women like Ben Roethlisberger who is embraced by his fans does.

White can be accused of losing faith in himself, I think this is his the sin most most fans are stoning him for.

I think this is rediculous because stoning White for who he was is completely ignoring the reality of who he is.

The man lost over 30 pounds to rehabilitate his image from being a loser. What is up, why does white not desserve a second chance with people like ben getting 2nd, 3rd , and 4th chances?:tsk:

Denver Native (Carol)
08-05-2010, 10:33 AM
i 'm cool with the signing

my issue is with the hypocrisy of the mcd nuthuggers

any player josh cuts or traded..is because he's a locker room cancer, one mistake away from a year suspention (same as white), not a team player, ect

when he brings in a guy that epitomizes the exact traits his followers cant stand..its all good, cause mcd talked to him...wont cost much....doesnt matter if hes cut..cheap...every body can change

Just because Coach McD brought LenDale in, does NOT mean he will put up with any CRAP from him, and I would imagine that is what was conveyed to LenDale when Coach McD sat down with him, before he signed him.

weazel
08-05-2010, 10:34 AM
Maurice Clarett wasn't available?

BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 10:34 AM
Crap is a naughty word Carol

TXBRONC
08-05-2010, 10:35 AM
In all fairness to Jags, he's not a broncos fan and not familiar with the shanahan era. He's just on board until Tebow delivers a sb appearance or busts.

I think you're right.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-05-2010, 10:35 AM
Crap is a naughty word Carol

Oh crap, I forgot

TXBRONC
08-05-2010, 10:36 AM
Maurice Clarett wasn't available?

He's still sporting an orange jump suit IIRC.

Ravage!!!
08-05-2010, 10:54 AM
i 'm cool with the signing

my issue is with the hypocrisy of the mcd nuthuggers

any player josh cuts or traded..is because he's a locker room cancer, one mistake away from a year suspention (same as white), not a team player, ect

when he brings in a guy that epitomizes the exact traits his followers cant stand..its all good, cause mcd talked to him...wont cost much....doesnt matter if hes cut..cheap...every body can change

You are right. It is hypocrisy. But the good thing about that,is that we can not put that "band stomping mantra" behind us. It no longer holds any water.

Those that want to scream TEAM player and TEAM guy, and will only take TEAM people, and screaming that the reason Scheffler, Hillis, Cutler, Marshall were let go because they weren't TEAM locker room dudes... now have to swallow that. Doesn't stand up anymore.

But on a personnel perspective, at least in my opinion, I'm glad we are looking to bring in football players and not purely looking for ex-patriots or Rudi's. I like the move...even if it doesn't work out.

Jagsbch
08-05-2010, 11:00 AM
I think you're right.

I decided to go and see if there was a place on the web that actually kept track of all the players who have had season ending injuries as a result of Shanahans sinister ploys.

You don't have to be a Broncos fan to possess a clue of that. It seemed every time the jaguars would play the Broncos there would always be a story with quotes from defensive lineman breaking out their violins protesting Shanahans sinister ploys.

The reputation of the cut/zone blocking Shanahan era proceeds him through out the league, thanks to all the players who have received season and career ending injuries as a result.

I actually despise Shanahan, as far as I am concerned the Jury is still out as to whether he can be a solid coach without the surrounding cast that elevated him to his legendary success among the Broncos faithful.

Here is an old article I found.

In 2001 alone, the NFL docked Denver's O-line nearly $200,000 for on-field activities, including a block by Neil that broke then-Patriot Bryan Cox's leg, and another by Lepsis that broke the ankle and ended the career of Chargers defensive tackle (and former Bronco) Maa Tanuvasa. "Those guys run around just looking for guys to cut," says Falcons defensive tackle Rod Coleman, who faced the Broncos twice each season during his five years as a Raider. "I'm surprised they don't cut the referees."

No need. As long as the O-lineman's head is in front of the defender's body, cut blocking is legal. At least for now. The technique has become such a hot-button issue this season that the NFLPA recently announced it will ask the league to outlaw it entirely next season. "I hated cut blocking people," says Schlereth, "but that's what we were told to do. Every Sunday, I'd line up across from the defender and say, 'Dude, I don't want to cut you, but it's mandatory. Our line coach over there is crazy.' "

Although Gibbs has since taken his kamikaze blocking philosophies to Atlanta, his successor, former special-teams coach Rick Dennison, has been with the Broncos since 1995. Ditto for running backs coach Bobby Turner and offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. And, of course, Shanahan. No other staff in the league comes close to that kind of continuity. The chain of command is unbroken, and therefore unchallenged.

That was never more apparent than at the Broncos' Oct. 25 Monday-night game against the Bengals. On a third-and-one late in the first quarter, with Denver trailing 7-0, Plummer scrambled right. Just as defensive tackle Tony Williams changed direction to chase Plummer, the 6'5'' Foster dove at his legs. Legal? Yes. Popular? Hardly. "The play wasn't anywhere near him," says Eagles defensive lineman Hollis Thomas, who watched the game on TV. "To cut somebody like that, when he's got no chance of making the tackle and doesn't see you coming? That's crap. That's how careers end." Or seasons, anyway. Williams is done for the year after having surgery to repair a broken and dislocated ankle.

So why, when it appeared that a traditional above-the-waist block would've gotten the job done just fine, did Foster go for the cut? Because that's what he's required to do. Doesn't matter if it's third-and-one or third-and-31. Every time a Broncos lineman is on the backside of a running play, that's what he's required to do. Says ex-Bronco and current Bengals cornerback Deltha O'Neal, "If they're teaching him to do it and he refuses to do it because he doesn't believe in it, they're probably going to release him or bench him."

When Foster and his teammates are doing their job, backside defenders either a) end up on the turf; b) become so obsessed with avoiding cut blocks that they don't pursue the ball-carrier; c) play tentatively because they enjoy having all their bones and ligaments intact; or d) all of the above. That's when holes start to open. "It's more than a hole," says Bresnahan. "It's a two-car garage."

Just ask Droughns. After averaging 2.4 yards per carry as a rookie in Detroit and two more years in Denver as a fullback, he'd never seen anything like it. "My first start against Carolina, I was like a kid in candy store," Droughns says of the day he rushed 30 times for 193 yards. "It was like, hey, I'm not getting hit in the backfield. This is fun."

Very fun, in fact, judging by what's happened in Atlanta. After finishing 14th in rushing last year, the Falcons' ground game has catapulted to third this year. If you asked their offensive linemen to explain the success, chances are they'd utter two words: Alex Gibbs.

If they were allowed to talk, that is.

Ravage!!!
08-05-2010, 11:19 AM
Here is the most BS that fans of other teams don't know.

The "players" complain about the zone/cut blocking.

1) EVERY TEAM in the NFL cut blocks... including the Jags and every other team that complained. The Steelers complained one year to the press about it, and Shanahan showed a video of the Steeler cut blocking on MANY plays throughout their games. That pretty much shut them up. EVERY Team in the NFL uses cut block and needs cut blocks. Its why it hasn't been made illegal, because teams need it to keep the QB upright. No team in the NFL wants to get rid of it, no matter how much the DL whine. Its been this "hot button" topic for years, and NO GM/coach/owner wants it gone.

2) Cut Blocking is not illegal. Some try to suggest that "Its ok if they cut block, just not as much." Thats like saying "its ok to pass, but Peyton can't pass as much as he does." Its absurd comment.

3) No stat has ever shown that cut blocking causes more injuries than any other form of blocking. Suggesting all teams should use the same style of blocking, PURELY because i makes the job of the DL easier...is absurd. Ifyou try to tell me that it "increases the chances of injury"... then why don't we see an increased number of injuries playing against it? If we are going to remove everything that has the possibility of injury, than we make it flag football... while walking... slowly.

The play that Jags brings up is absurd. Bad plays, bad blocks, and bad choices happen in every system. To highlight a single mistake and make that the highlight of a reason, is ridiculous. Doesn't hold water, for we can do the same thing for every system out there.

Again.. EVERY team cut-blocks.... period.

Jagsbch
08-05-2010, 11:22 AM
Every time a Broncos lineman is on the backside of a running play, that's what he's required to do. Says ex-Bronco and current Bengals cornerback Deltha O'Neal, "If they're teaching him to do it and he refuses to do it because he doesn't believe in it, they're probably going to release him or bench him." :rolleyes:

I am not denyng this practice occurs everywhere, I think the point which happens to be written in stone is of how this sinister ploy was Shanahan's bread and butter.

BroncoWave
08-05-2010, 11:28 AM
just when are you going to let it go?


I suspect the you were fine with all the fubars that mikey made, to numerous to count.

give it a rest please you used to be a solid poster.

Are you ****ing serious? Do you not see the irony dripping out of this post?

You STILL haven't gotten over Shanahan and you are telling OTHER people to get over things Josh has done?

You have some massive balls to try to pull that shit over anyone.

Ravage!!!
08-05-2010, 11:28 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

jhildebrand
08-05-2010, 11:32 AM
In Denver, so was Champ, Dawkins, Goody and McDaniels.


Just sayin louder.:coffee:

Champ, Goodman, and Dawkins had how many "character" issues?

IIRC, the slam was always on Shanny for bringing in guys w/ character issues and giving them a second chance.

Now all of a sudden it's "different" and "they're new in Denver"

:rolleyes:

At least keep it apples to apples.

The ardent McD/anti Shanahan crowd could do themselves a favor and simply admit it is the NFL and EVERY coach is going to take a chance on ANY player simply to WIN! Regardless of the spin. Its the spin I hate!

weazel
08-05-2010, 11:53 AM
He's still sporting an orange jump suit IIRC.

nope, he's back at Ohio State taking some classes.

BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 11:54 AM
^ that's right. something to do with counseling I think

topscribe
08-05-2010, 12:03 PM
Just because Coach McD brought LenDale in, does NOT mean he will put up with any CRAP from him, and I would imagine that is what was conveyed to LenDale when Coach McD sat down with him, before he signed him.

That is principally what I was thinking. None of us has talked to White. None of
us has looked into White's situation, as I'm sure McDaniels has. Assuming
McDaniels knows more about it than I, I'm willing to give him and White the
benefit of the doubt. White probably came pretty cheap, and Buck isn't injured
as badly as we thought, so it's not really that much of a gamble, considering
White's immense talents and abilities.

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Lonestar
08-05-2010, 12:07 PM
Are you ****ing serious? Do you not see the irony dripping out of this post?

You STILL haven't gotten over Shanahan and you are telling OTHER people to get over things Josh has done?

You have some massive balls to try to pull that shit over anyone. why thanks for commenting about my balls

topscribe
08-05-2010, 12:12 PM
Are you ****ing serious? Do you not see the irony dripping out of this post?

You STILL haven't gotten over Shanahan and you are telling OTHER people to get over things Josh has done?

You have some massive balls to try to pull that shit over anyone.

BTB, sometimes you make me wish we could give out neggies.

Gotta love ya . . . :wave:

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BroncoWave
08-05-2010, 12:15 PM
BTB, sometimes you make me wish we could give out neggies.

Gotta love ya . . . :wave:

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Everything in my post was 100% true. You know as well as I do how hypocritical his post was.

And thankfully I have more important things in my life to worry about than negs on a message board so I probably wouldn't have even noticed or cared! :beer:

topscribe
08-05-2010, 12:35 PM
Everything in my post was 100% true. You know as well as I do how hypocritical his post was.

And thankfully I have more important things in my life to worry about than negs on a message board so I probably wouldn't have even noticed or cared! :beer:

Well listen, I disagree with some of what JR says about the former administration
and QB, too. But as long as one is not launching personal attacks on other
posters, one can post his opinions here, can't one? If we don't like it, we just
move on. Can't we?

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BroncoWave
08-05-2010, 12:37 PM
Well listen, I disagree with some of what JR says about the former administration
and QB, too. But as long as one is not launching personal attacks on other
posters, one can post his opinions here, can't one? If we don't like it, we just
move on. Can't we?

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And I can call out the hypocrisy in his statements. If you have such a problem with it, you can take your own advice and move on or you can hit the report button.

topscribe
08-05-2010, 12:39 PM
And I can call out the hypocrisy in his statements. If you have such a problem with it, you can take your own advice and move on or you can hit the report button.

I was actually saying that in your interest as much as anybody's.

Sorry you could not see that . . .

:focus:

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TXBRONC
08-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Are you ****ing serious? Do you not see the irony dripping out of this post?

You STILL haven't gotten over Shanahan and you are telling OTHER people to get over things Josh has done?

You have some massive balls to try to pull that shit over anyone.

I disagree partially. It doesn't take massive balls just a master baiter. ;)

BroncoWave
08-05-2010, 12:41 PM
I was actually saying that in your interest as much as anybody's.

Sorry you could not see that . . .

:focus:

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Save your false concern for me. I'm a big boy, I can handle myself on here.

jhildebrand
08-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Well listen, I disagree with some of what JR says about the former administration
and QB, too. But as long as one is not launching personal attacks on other
posters, one can post his opinions here, can't one? If we don't like it, we just
move on. Can't we?

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I like you Top but I am curious as to why you addressed your concerns to BTB. :confused: He simply highlighted, and said, what so many think.

Furthermore, the constant double standard gets quite annoying. After all, you are asking BTB to turn a blind eye and ignore it when you simply could have done the same. Seems a bit rich to me!

topscribe
08-05-2010, 01:10 PM
I like you Top but I am curious as to why you addressed your concerns to BTB. :confused: He simply highlighted, and said, what so many think.

Furthermore, the constant double standard gets quite annoying. After all, you are asking BTB to turn a blind eye and ignore it when you simply could have done the same. Seems a bit rich to me!

I don't know why I'm all the sudden being hammered for trying to calm things down.

Ah well, *sigh* :focus:

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BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 01:15 PM
Save your false concern for me. I'm a big boy, I can handle myself on here.

Top is a pretty straight shooter, just saying

BroncoNut
08-05-2010, 01:17 PM
I disagree partially. It doesn't take massive balls just a master baiter. ;)

this is the stupidest post I have ever read, but I high fived it anyway TXB., for the effort.

jhildebrand
08-05-2010, 01:32 PM
I don't know why I'm all the sudden being hammered for trying to calm things down.

Ah well, *sigh* :focus:

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I got nothin but love for you Top and I am certainly not hammerin you. It isn't my place. You are straight up as they get.

I was simply curious. Some posters continually hold onto the past and can say or do anything. It seems to me (perception isn't always reality) that the person calling them out for it or for hypocritical ways is usually the one to catch the flack. I just was trying to understand it. That's all.

topscribe
08-05-2010, 01:39 PM
I got nothin but love for you Top and I am certainly not hammerin you. It isn't my place. You are straight up as they get.

I was simply curious. Some posters continually hold onto the past and can say or do anything. It seems to me (perception isn't always reality) that the person calling them out for it or for hypocritical ways is usually the one to catch the flack. I just was trying to understand it. That's all.

The only thing I understand is that this thread, and another one in which I just
posted, have been thoroughly derailed. We need to get back onto topic and
stop talking about each other. We have the blessings of the MHS and PMs to
do that . . .

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GGMoogly
08-05-2010, 02:21 PM
When it comes to sports writing, football in particular, 'gunslinger' is an overused term. Most often, it's used to describe strong-armed QBs with a penchant for gambling on questionable throws. But I think if we go back to the origin of the word, we see it's popular usage derives not from the Old West, but from Hollywood movies and TV shows of the early 20th century.

The gunslingers of this milieu were almost always young, impetuous hotheads ready to draw over a cross eye or innocent word :twitch: They might have been very good at what they did, but lacked the discipline for long term survival or integration into polite society.

Sometimes, when I'm on this board, I feel over half of the people here are gunslingers, ready to pump lead over the smallest slight - real or imagined. Sensitivity training isn't necessary because everybody has it by the ton, just in a prickly, walking-on-eggshells sort of way.

:behindsofa:

It can really wear a person out... :bored:

topscribe
08-05-2010, 02:23 PM
When it comes to sports writing, football in particular, 'gunslinger' is an overused term. Most often, it's used to describe strong-armed QBs with a penchant for gambling on questionable throws. But I think if we go back to the origin of the word, we see it's popular usage derives not from the Old West, but from Hollywood movies and TV shows of the early 20th century.

The gunslingers of this milieu were almost always young, impetuous hotheads ready to draw over a cross eye or innocent word :twitch: They might have been very good at what they did, but lacked the discipline for long term survival or integration into polite society.

Sometimes, when I'm on this board, I feel over half of the people here are gunslingers, ready to pump lead over the smallest slight - real or imagined. Sensitivity training isn't necessary because everybody has it by the ton, just in a prickly, walking-on-eggshells sort of way.

:behindsofa:

It can really wear a person out... :bored:

I was once a gunslinger. Threw my guns all over the place.

Don't try that at home . . . it's hard on guns . . .

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T.K.O.
08-05-2010, 02:30 PM
When it comes to sports writing, football in particular, 'gunslinger' is an overused term. Most often, it's used to describe strong-armed QBs with a penchant for gambling on questionable throws. But I think if we go back to the origin of the word, we see it's popular usage derives not from the Old West, but from Hollywood movies and TV shows of the early 20th century.

The gunslingers of this milieu were almost always young, impetuous hotheads ready to draw over a cross eye or innocent word :twitch: They might have been very good at what they did, but lacked the discipline for long term survival or integration into polite society.

Sometimes, when I'm on this board, I feel over half of the people here are gunslingers, ready to pump lead over the smallest slight - real or imagined. Sensitivity training isn't necessary because everybody has it by the ton, just in a prickly, walking-on-eggshells sort of way.

:behindsofa:

It can really wear a person out... :bored:

Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

Well, do you?

http://roflrazzi.wordpress.com/files/2009/02/celebrity-pictures-clint-eastwood-punks-lucky.jpg














If so, it's probably the casino magnetically stimulating your right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex:

GGMoogly
08-05-2010, 02:35 PM
...
If so, it's probably the casino magnetically stimulating your right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex:

God...I HATE when they do that! :mad:

Sconnie Bronco
08-05-2010, 03:08 PM
When it comes to sports writing, football in particular, 'gunslinger' is an overused term. Most often, it's used to describe strong-armed QBs with a penchant for gambling on questionable throws. But I think if we go back to the origin of the word, we see it's popular usage derives not from the Old West, but from Hollywood movies and TV shows of the early 20th century.

The gunslingers of this milieu were almost always young, impetuous hotheads ready to draw over a cross eye or innocent word :twitch: They might have been very good at what they did, but lacked the discipline for long term survival or integration into polite society.

Sometimes, when I'm on this board, I feel over half of the people here are gunslingers, ready to pump lead over the smallest slight - real or imagined. Sensitivity training isn't necessary because everybody has it by the ton, just in a prickly, walking-on-eggshells sort of way.

:behindsofa:

It can really wear a person out... :bored:

Along those lines, do you know how many downs Elway played in the NFL? What about Favre...how many downs has he played in the NFL?

Almost no one knows this because its not a very important stat, which calls into question why sportswriters and people in general overuse the phrase "he hasn't played a down in the NFL yet".

TXBRONC
08-05-2010, 03:24 PM
this is the stupidest post I have ever read, but I high fived it anyway TXB., for the effort.

It was play off of this:

http://broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161347

Master Baiter:
*Broncogirl7
*Jrwiz (the winner)
*WTE
*TXBronc
*BMFBronco
*Northman
*Honz

Jagsbch
08-05-2010, 03:24 PM
video footage of Lendale White, coaches comments and this mornings practice (http://www.denverbroncos.com/multimedia/video-browser/most-recent-videos.html)

Jagsbch
08-05-2010, 04:00 PM
http://prod.static.broncos.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/custom-images/Blogs/blogpm6_100804.jpg

WHITE WATCH

LenDale White’s addition to the club was announced less than an hour before practice, so the running back took the field a little bit later than the other players. He jogged out of the locker room sporting a No. 26 jersey and immediately joined his new teammates in stretching. Slapping hands with Tim Tebow was his first order of business.

White worked in with the rest of the backs on basic drills, like receiving handoffs and honing his blocking form on the sled. Toney Baker’s no longer the heaviest running back in Denver. White unloaded all 235 pounds into the sled, pushing it off the ground with ease. Spencer Larsen also started the drill with a wallop on the sled.

In a pass-blocking drill, White kept Devin Bishop at bay by shoving the linebacker away from the tackling dummy in the pocket.

That was the majority of the action in White’s first practice. He listened to advice from position coach Eric Studesville while the other backs participated in passing drills and scrimmages.

denverbroncos.com (http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/2010-training-camp-day-4-p-m-blog/)

http://prod.static.broncos.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/zip/2010/08-August/100804pm_gallery/100804pm_gallery-TC8--nfl_medium_540_360.4_13.JPG

sneakers
08-05-2010, 06:35 PM
I would have really liked this is Shanahan was still the coach here....(Imagine him taking one cut and bowling over LBs)

BroncoBJ
08-06-2010, 02:55 AM
I just have a feeling that this guy is going to be here for a while. Watching his interview today was a good one IMO. He said hes staying away from everything Negative and he wants to be here for the rest of his career and that hes Thankful to be a Bronco. I always like when we have players on the team that grew up watching the team or grew up a fan. Just like I always liked Mike Bell also. :elefant:

I hope that he comes back from his suspension strong this year. I hope it works out with him. :salute:

Jagsbch
08-07-2010, 08:24 AM
http://prod.static.broncos.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/zip/2010/08-August/Bakke_AM_1008-6/Bakke_AM_1008-6-_M3F0425--nfl_medium_540_360.JPG

LenDale White breaks into open field on a run.

TXBRONC
08-07-2010, 09:56 AM
FWIW he looks like he's in better shape .

broncobryce
08-07-2010, 01:07 PM
FWIW he looks like he's in better shape .

I'm glad he's 235, not 220 or whatever he was down to. He's supposed to be 'smash' not 'slim'

scott.475
08-11-2010, 11:39 AM
For what it's worth, and I know I am late to this post, but when he was briefly signed with Seattle, I heard him on a radio interview up here and he seemed genuinely grateful to have a second shot in the league. At the time I was rather ambivalent toward him, had no feelings one way or another, so I think I heard him rather objectively. He really seemed to be a guy who had learned his lesson from being knocked off his horse and was just so grateful to be afforded a second chance, as opposed to the Marshall/Owens/Keyshawn types who thought every chance was simply owed to them by their mere existence. The one thing I don't remember is whether this was before or after the 'Hawks cut him, I may actually be remembering a couple different interviews from different times, because I think I also remember him talking about how stunned and hurt he was about being cut.

Anyway, I sure hope he has turned it around and can become a good character, long term, effective player for us if he is now the guy he seemed to have become when I heard him talking.

Northman
08-11-2010, 11:42 AM
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/lendalebeanbag.jpg

TXBRONC
08-11-2010, 11:50 AM
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/lendalebeanbag.jpg

If nothing else we can use as bean bag chair if he gets out of shape. :lol:

broncophan
08-30-2010, 11:13 AM
any chance of the broncos/or White appealing his suspension.....or trying to get his suspension reduced??......I had never heard anything about them trying to.

I know White was not overly impressive.....last night.....but imo.....with all the injuries etc.....may be good to have someone like him who has had some carries this preseason.......who knows??.......then again.....I guess there is a chance he may not even make the team....

BroncoNut
08-30-2010, 11:17 AM
I think Ben's giong to get his and what he (alledgedly) did was worse than what Lendale did do. I don't know though, Goodall could've easily have suspended him for more than, however 4 is reasonable imo

broncophan
08-30-2010, 11:20 AM
I think Ben's giong to get his and what he (alledgedly) did was worse than what Lendale did do. I don't know though, Goodall could've easily have suspended him for more than, however 4 is reasonable imo

yea.....and wasn't it last year that the broncos got Marshall's suspension reduced...I know there are different circumstances though....

Lonestar
08-30-2010, 11:23 AM
I suspect it WAS appealed already.

I liked what I saw of him last night not great but but good he is a big back and something we need.

While moreno is a good back he just not have the heft we need on the short yardage plays. And while that WAS what Tebow is special about. Having LW in the backfield with him certainly means that they just can't key on him alone.
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Lonestar
08-30-2010, 11:25 AM
Plus he is a home town boy which makes him a favorite and is a PR bonanza IF he can keep his head out of his ass and just play football he can be a local hero.
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TimTebow15MVP
08-30-2010, 10:47 PM
white actually made a corner miss in the open field. i liked that. definitly has his burst back and the strenght is always there.

broncobryce
08-30-2010, 10:56 PM
I thought he looked good. I loved seeing him pound it into the endzone. F the steelers

broncobryce
08-30-2010, 10:56 PM
I think he was the one who stomped the terrible towels as well. (as a titan)

PAINTERDAVE
08-31-2010, 12:29 AM
I don't mind his suspension...
by week four , when he is eligible to play...

- He will be in better shape yet
- He will be chomping at the bit
- He will most likely be needed badly...
(Buck and Moreno might or might not get dinged - "crosses fingers")


I mean how many teams around week four are gonna suddenly get a big stud RB back on the squad?

I like it.

weazel
08-31-2010, 12:40 PM
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/lendalebeanbag.jpg

lmao!