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Npba900
06-25-2008, 09:54 PM
Do you guys really think the Broncos were going to return to the SB over the last 9 years with the QB's like Griese and Plummber and mediocre RB's like Tatum Bell, Mike Bell, Henry, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Rueben Droughns? Had any of these combo of players been starters on the 97 & 98 Broncos, Denver would not have won those SB's.

That's the reality and the honest truth.

Greise and Plummber did not hold a candle to Elway not even in his twilight years. And the cast of characters Denver had as RB's could not hold a candle to Terrell Davis from 1999-2007!, with the exception of Clinton Portis.

Cutler is the first Pro Bowl caliber Franchise QB Denver has had since Elways retirement over 10 years ago! Now Denver needs to find a TD or Clinton Portis type RB...and soon, maybe Torain will be the answer or a combination of Torain and Hillis! Who the heck knows. Chances are Selvin and Hall won't be able to stay healthy for the entire season...we will just have to wait and see.

Next, Denver needs to find and OL with the talent of Habib, Schelreth, and Gary Zimmerman.

How close is Denver to assembling a receiving corp like Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, and Ed McCaffery! Are we getting close? Is Schefter(sp) ready to step up? Can Marshall repeat his season from last year? Can Stokely stay heathy? Too many questions at the WR spot thats for sure.

How close are the Broncos assembling a Defensive unit with players like Neil Smith, Alfred Williams, Bill Romanowski, and John Mobley! Are we getting close?

Are pieces and the talent finally coming to together? Looks like Denver has the Corner backs, but, where is the Steve Atwater type Safety? Lynch is past his prime and Abdula is inexperienced along with the other two Safeties Denver picked up in the off season.

I don't see a 13-3 season in 2008. More like a 7-9 or 9-7 season is more likely. However, I see Denver possible having a 13-3 season in 2009. Allot hinges on whether the class of 2006, 2007 and 2008 finally break thru and play to their potential in 2009......I can really see a 13-3 and possible SB. But not this season (2008) no way.

SR
06-25-2008, 10:01 PM
Ok.

MasterShake
06-25-2008, 10:19 PM
**closes eyes and covers ears*** la la la! I can't hear you! 13-3 BABY!

Seriously. We were in the AFC title game in 2005, and if God did not want Jerome Bettis to have a SuperBowl I have no doubt we could have handled Seattle in the big game. Hell, the way TD played in SB 33 Griese could have been the QB and we would have won. I'm not saying we are on the road to the Super Bowl this year, but we certainly are not gonna be roadkill like we were last year.

Northman
06-25-2008, 10:29 PM
All i know is if Trent Dilfer can win a Super Bowl and on the final drive of a Super Bowl Eli Manning is posing as John Elway anything can happen. Keep the faith NP.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
06-25-2008, 10:29 PM
16-0 is realistic every year untill you start losing lol. We have talent everywhere. The guys are enjoying each others company.

omac
06-25-2008, 11:17 PM
I think Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, and Dumerville are upper echelon talent. You just don't see most other teams' starters being able to do what they do.

They're surrounded by some pretty solid players in Graham, DJ, Lynch, Stokley, and Nalen. Bly is also pretty good, but our DL didn't help. Hopefully, Robertson pans out too.

Then they have some young ones with lots of upside: Moss, Clady, Thomas, Crowder, and Royal.

Then they got the guys who overachieve, like Young and Hall.

That looks like a pretty solid core.

I don't think the Broncos are going 13-3; I do see the possibility of them going 10-6. Gotta remember that last season, we had way too many injuries to key starters, plus we had a horrid rush defense. I think we'll be much improved there.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
06-25-2008, 11:46 PM
DJ= Super Star WSB. He was un blockable his rookie year playing weakside. He will get back to his old ways.

BroncoJoe
06-25-2008, 11:58 PM
I thought Debbie Downer was banned. :confused:

BroncoBJ
06-26-2008, 12:03 AM
Who's Plummber? :confused:

But anyways... Every year I think we have a shot until were mathmatically eliminated. When we had Griese I thought we would make the SB especially once we had Portis. And when we had Plummer I thought we were gonna go to the SB. We use to have the defense kinda to do it. Our Defense died or something midway thru Jays rookie season. I thought that year we would definatly go to the Superbowl.

Re Rebuilt for 2 years and its over now.

Broncos don't rebuild, we reload. :salute:

I think we will be between 10-6 and 13-3 this year :eek:

NameUsedBefore
06-26-2008, 12:07 AM
The defensive line? Potential. Crowder, Moss, Thomas et al have the potential to be good and even great. But it hasn't been proven yet. If they all fail to meet their potential, our team is going down the drain. We'll be run over like we have been the past few years, if not more so given our LB-core is not as strong as it used to be.

The offensive line? Potential. Great thing about our offensive line is that we've never really needed a ton of talent to get a good running game out of it. However, I can't remember the last time the pass-blocking was anywhere beyond "adequate".

I believe our receiving core, from the starters to the depth, is above average. Losing Marshall or Scheffler could be really, really damaging.

Could be a shocking year for some... on the other hand, there is a lot of potential here waiting to blow. We've all seen it go either way year after year. Those teams with all that talent flop and flop hard, or they just explode and next thing you know they're in the Superbowl.

dekers
06-26-2008, 12:44 AM
The defensive line? Potential. Crowder, Moss, Thomas et al have the potential to be good and even great. But it hasn't been proven yet. If they all fail to meet their potential, our team is going down the drain. We'll be run over like we have been the past few years, if not more so given our LB-core is not as strong as it used to be.

The offensive line? Potential. Great thing about our offensive line is that we've never really needed a ton of talent to get a good running game out of it. However, I can't remember the last time the pass-blocking was anywhere beyond "adequate".

I believe our receiving core, from the starters to the depth, is above average. Losing Marshall or Scheffler could be really, really damaging.

Could be a shocking year for some... on the other hand, there is a lot of potential here waiting to blow. We've all seen it go either way year after year. Those teams with all that talent flop and flop hard, or they just explode and next thing you know they're in the Superbowl.


:salute:

sneakers
06-26-2008, 01:25 AM
You are putting too much stock in the skill positions...it was the Offensive lines that won those super bowls for us.

Lonestar
06-26-2008, 02:35 AM
You are putting too much stock in the skill positions...it was the Offensive lines that won those super bowls for us.


It was indeed the play on the LOS that made the team what it was.. However with out the skill players we would not have won it either..

WARHORSE
06-26-2008, 04:22 AM
Do you guys really think the Broncos were going to return to the SB over the last 9 years with the QB's like Griese and Plummber and mediocre RB's like Tatum Bell, Mike Bell, Henry, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Rueben Droughns? Had any of these combo of players been starters on the 97 & 98 Broncos, Denver would not have won those SB's.

That's the reality and the honest truth.

Greise and Plummber did not hold a candle to Elway not even in his twilight years. And the cast of characters Denver had as RB's could not hold a candle to Terrell Davis from 1999-2007!, with the exception of Clinton Portis.

Cutler is the first Pro Bowl caliber Franchise QB Denver has had since Elways retirement over 10 years ago! Now Denver needs to find a TD or Clinton Portis type RB...and soon, maybe Torain will be the answer or a combination of Torain and Hillis! Who the heck knows. Chances are Selvin and Hall won't be able to stay healthy for the entire season...we will just have to wait and see.

Next, Denver needs to find and OL with the talent of Habib, Schelreth, and Gary Zimmerman.

How close is Denver to assembling a receiving corp like Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, and Ed McCaffery! Are we getting close? Is Schefter(sp) ready to step up? Can Marshall repeat his season from last year? Can Stokely stay heathy? Too many questions at the WR spot thats for sure.

How close are the Broncos assembling a Defensive unit with players like Neil Smith, Alfred Williams, Bill Romanowski, and John Mobley! Are we getting close?

Are pieces and the talent finally coming to together? Looks like Denver has the Corner backs, but, where is the Steve Atwater type Safety? Lynch is past his prime and Abdula is inexperienced along with the other two Safeties Denver picked up in the off season.

I don't see a 13-3 season in 2008. More like a 7-9 or 9-7 season is more likely. However, I see Denver possible having a 13-3 season in 2009. Allot hinges on whether the class of 2006, 2007 and 2008 finally break thru and play to their potential in 2009......I can really see a 13-3 and possible SB. But not this season (2008) no way.


Lol..........

Keep lookin for Elway, Atwater, Sharpe and the boyz.

Wont be comin any time soon.

But we aint no 7-9 or even 9-7 team.


The way youre name gets to be common knowledge is: you win the superbowl..........or two..........or three.

No one knows what will happen this year, and there are reasons for optimism as well as pessimism.

Since you have pessimism taken care of.......................I'll be one of the optimism groupies.



I just have a feelin................:D

WARHORSE
06-26-2008, 04:23 AM
Btw...........who were the New England Patriots before Tom Brady snuck in the back door?


AZZZ WHAT I TAUT...........lol............

Dean
06-26-2008, 07:09 AM
I don't see a 13-3 season in 2008. More like a 7-9 or 9-7 season is more likely. However, I see Denver possible having a 13-3 season in 2009. Allot hinges on whether the class of 2006, 2007 and 2008 finally break thru and play to their potential in 2009......I can really see a 13-3 and possible SB. But not this season (2008) no way.

I don't see a 13-3 season either. I think that we lack the experience required for that level of success. However IMO a prediction of 7-9, unless an injury outbreak occurs, is equally unlikely.

The Broncos were 7-9 last year with an apparently more difficult schedule, with locker room cancers, and with lesser talent. Our record I believe will be better. I expect us to finish somewhere in the neiborhood of 10-6.

We'll see.

MHCBill
06-26-2008, 08:37 AM
I read the exact same post on the New York Giants board last year... except there were names like Simms, Taylor, Bavaro, Carson, etc.

SR
06-26-2008, 09:08 AM
I think pessimism is a good way to show yourself to the door when it comes to me. We've got every reason to be optimistic. We finished 7-9 last year. For the Broncos, that's pretty much rock bottom. It has to get better this year. We're loaded on offense and our defense has the potential to be a top 10 defense if they can gel and play solid positional defense. Special teams, as usual, is the only really "iffy" spot I see.

Rex
06-26-2008, 09:10 AM
Denver needs RB that weigh 245....right NPBA?

SR
06-26-2008, 09:11 AM
Denver needs a healthy Ryan Torrain.

Timmy!
06-26-2008, 09:18 AM
If we only still had Cedric Cobbs :tsk:

:heh:

Kaylore
06-26-2008, 09:18 AM
11-5 suckas!

Dreadnought
06-26-2008, 09:43 AM
I think pessimism is a good way to show yourself to the door when it comes to me. We've got every reason to be optimistic. We finished 7-9 last year. For the Broncos, that's pretty much rock bottom. It has to get better this year. We're loaded on offense and our defense has the potential to be a top 10 defense if they can gel and play solid positional defense. Special teams, as usual, is the only really "iffy" spot I see.

Yeah, there's obviously no way to tell for sure, but I haven't felt this good about our offseason moves in Years. We were 7-9 with a tough schedule, some total A-holes on the roster, a very sick franchise QB who still played lights out most of the time anyway, a raft of injuries out of the twilight zone, and a defensive coordinator with his head up his Arse. On top of that, a couple ofawful losses we could have/should have won (GB, Chi).

There is no candy coating a few of the beatings we got last year, and I'm not totally sure we fixed everything that needs fixing - but 10-6, 11-5 is not at all unrealistic. I think we'll probably suffer watching a very young team laying a couple of eggs in there due to inexperience, but I think this team will be a nasty surprise for a lot of the NFL most of 2008.

lex
06-26-2008, 09:55 AM
A lot of it is on Cutler. If he has a break through year, all bets are off. I have concerns with our OLine though. I also would have preferred to get a better RB to compliment Jay but we'll have to make do with what we have. Defensively, Im still concerned about DT. Theres a lot of youth and injury question marks there. But like I said, if Cutler has a break through year, it could go a long way in covering up some of our blemishes. Plus if a couple of the young DLinemen come into their own, it could really help enormously. Are we as good as we were in 97/98? No. But that doesnt mean we cant have a good record.

SR
06-26-2008, 09:58 AM
Considering what Jay played through last year, I'd say he's primed for a "breakout" year. If our recievers (namely Marshall) can keep healthy and get open, Jay could throw for 4k yards and 30 TDs.

One thing we NEED to fix, and I think that FB we drafted from the Razorbacks can help here along with Micheal Pittman, is our Red Zone offense because it was beyond horrid last year.

tubby
06-26-2008, 10:04 AM
Jay better win at least 10 games this year or 2009 may usher in the Patrick Ramsey era.

lex
06-26-2008, 10:07 AM
Considering what Jay played through last year, I'd say he's primed for a "breakout" year. If our recievers (namely Marshall) can keep healthy and get open, Jay could throw for 4k yards and 30 TDs.

One thing we NEED to fix, and I think that FB we drafted from the Razorbacks can help here along with Micheal Pittman, is our Red Zone offense because it was beyond horrid last year.


Quite honestly, I think Jay has so much talent that if he has a break through year, the WRs will have no choice but to have a good year. When Jay makes good decisions he has really made it easy for WRs. Not many guys can put the ball on the WRs breastplate with the velocity and frequency Jay does when he makes good decisions.

Thnikkaman
06-26-2008, 10:26 AM
Do you guys really think the Broncos were going to return to the SB over the last 9 years with the QB's like Griese and Plummber and mediocre RB's like Tatum Bell, Mike Bell, Henry, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Rueben Droughns? Had any of these combo of players been starters on the 97 & 98 Broncos, Denver would not have won those SB's.

That's the reality and the honest truth.

Greise and Plummber did not hold a candle to Elway not even in his twilight years. And the cast of characters Denver had as RB's could not hold a candle to Terrell Davis from 1999-2007!, with the exception of Clinton Portis.

Cutler is the first Pro Bowl caliber Franchise QB Denver has had since Elways retirement over 10 years ago! Now Denver needs to find a TD or Clinton Portis type RB...and soon, maybe Torain will be the answer or a combination of Torain and Hillis! Who the heck knows. Chances are Selvin and Hall won't be able to stay healthy for the entire season...we will just have to wait and see.

Next, Denver needs to find and OL with the talent of Habib, Schelreth, and Gary Zimmerman.

How close is Denver to assembling a receiving corp like Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, and Ed McCaffery! Are we getting close? Is Schefter(sp) ready to step up? Can Marshall repeat his season from last year? Can Stokely stay heathy? Too many questions at the WR spot thats for sure.

How close are the Broncos assembling a Defensive unit with players like Neil Smith, Alfred Williams, Bill Romanowski, and John Mobley! Are we getting close?

Are pieces and the talent finally coming to together? Looks like Denver has the Corner backs, but, where is the Steve Atwater type Safety? Lynch is past his prime and Abdula is inexperienced along with the other two Safeties Denver picked up in the off season.

I don't see a 13-3 season in 2008. More like a 7-9 or 9-7 season is more likely. However, I see Denver possible having a 13-3 season in 2009. Allot hinges on whether the class of 2006, 2007 and 2008 finally break thru and play to their potential in 2009......I can really see a 13-3 and possible SB. But not this season (2008) no way.

So what you are saying is, "Don't Pay Attention to the Broncos this season. Just catch Cutler Highlights on Sports Center when they aren't verbally felating Tom Brady, and all of the East Coast and Big Market teams. Even better, there is no Football this year".

You can realistically analyze every player on every team and it doesn't mean crap until week 1 when we get to see them play. I understand that its the off season, but I am sure that you can find something better to do than bring us all down with with your fatalistic analysis.

Mike
06-26-2008, 10:27 AM
Jay better win at least 10 games this year or 2009 may usher in the Patrick Ramsey era.

Are you kidding? :confused:

No...The Broncos could win 3 games this year and we still wouldn't see the Patrick Ramsey era.

Dreadnought
06-26-2008, 10:56 AM
Are you kidding? :confused:

No...The Broncos could win 3 games this year and we still wouldn't see the Patrick Ramsey era.

"Patrick Ramsey Era" = "The Dark Ages"

tubby
06-26-2008, 11:08 AM
Are you kidding? :confused:

No...The Broncos could win 3 games this year and we still wouldn't see the Patrick Ramsey era.

Not kidding.

I think Ramsey could win games as a Bronco if that's what if came down to. Obviously I hope it doesn't come to that but if Cutler stinks up and joint, and the Broncos only win 3 games, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. And for the Broncos to win only 3 games in 2008, Cutler would have to suck major balls.

yardog
06-26-2008, 11:08 AM
Jay better win at least 10 games this year or 2009 may usher in the Patrick Ramsey era.

Was that Patrick Ramsey in the Detroit game or a deer in the headlights?

tubby
06-26-2008, 11:11 AM
Was that Patrick Ramsey in the Detroit game or a deer in the headlights?

He completed 29 passes in that game. Never seen Culter do that in one game. :coffee:

Mike
06-26-2008, 11:39 AM
Not kidding.

I think Ramsey could win games as a Bronco if that's what if came down to. Obviously I hope it doesn't come to that but if Cutler stinks up and joint, and the Broncos only win 3 games, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. And for the Broncos to win only 3 games in 2008, Cutler would have to suck major balls.

Or the defense stinks it up. Or the O-line stinks it up. Or the play calls stink it up. Or injuries stink it up. Wins don't always equate the quality of QB play.

Ramsey may...MAY...be an adequate backup. But he can't hold Jay's jockstrap when it comes to ability. The only way Ramsey starts an era here is if Jay gets hurt/diabetes set back. And even then it would only be for the remainder of the year. There will never be a Ramsey era in Denver.


He completed 29 passes in that game. Never seen Culter do that in one game. :coffee:

How many TDs did he throw in that game?

tubby
06-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Or the defense stinks it up. Or the O-line stinks it up. Or the play calls stink it up. Or injuries stink it up. Wins don't always equate the quality of QB play.

Ramsey may...MAY...be an adequate backup. But he can't hold Jay's jockstrap when it comes to ability. The only way Ramsey starts an era here is if Jay gets hurt/diabetes set back. And even then it would only be for the remainder of the year. There will never be a Ramsey era in Denver.



How many TDs did he throw in that game?

QB's are measured by wins. Unitas set the standard, Elway raised the bar. You can make all the excuses you want. I agree Cutler has more talent than Ramsey. Still, if the Broncos win 3 games in 2008, Cutler will see the bench at some point. Like I said, he would have to suck balls for the Broncos to only win 3 games. I hope we never see a Ramsey era, but there is no guarantee it won't happen.

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D1g1tal j1m
06-26-2008, 12:24 PM
Ramsey is a quality backup QB, no more than that.

The Broncos will win more than 3 games this year unless we are beset with a massive amount of injuries. Even still, we have enough depth that a 9 win season even with injuries is possible.

Cutler will not see the bench other than when he directs the offense to another TD drive and has to wait for the Defense to stuff the opposing team.

CHARLIEADAMSFAN
06-26-2008, 12:27 PM
To be honest, Did anyone think at the beginning of last year that the Giants would win the Super Bowl?

dekers
06-26-2008, 01:57 PM
To be honest, Did anyone think at the beginning of last year that the Giants would win the Super Bowl?

Not me in fact when they got their against New England, I thought well just give the pats the trophy now. Thank god i was wrong. Every year it seems a team comes out of no where, And makes a great playoff run . Hope its us this year.:beer:

omac
06-26-2008, 06:14 PM
To be honest, Did anyone think at the beginning of last year that the Giants would win the Super Bowl?

Not really, but I had them as a darkhorse pick to be the 1st team to beat NE in the regular season. The talent was evident, but I didn't think they'd make it to the Superbowl. It's incredible how in the playoffs and superbowl, they beat the teams that beat them in the regular season.

Bill Devaroe
06-26-2008, 07:00 PM
this team has all the talent it needs just nbeed something to bring it all together. a big trade marshall for reggie bush would do the trick.
Maybe threow in Sheffler and start Nate Jackson. I wish we could have traded Henry for a 2nd rounder though.
We will be fine - cutler and stokley will get it done,

Requiem / The Dagda
06-26-2008, 07:38 PM
Trading Travis Henry for a second rounder? WHAT THE HECK!?

dogfish
06-26-2008, 08:28 PM
Trading Travis Henry for a second rounder? WHAT THE HECK!?

i would have held out for a 1st. . .

WARHORSE
06-27-2008, 09:00 PM
Look. Cutler has it in his gas tank.

He not only had a great year last year, hes very smart, has all the tools, and is going to kick butt.

You have to read coverages when you play from the pocket, and Jay played from the pocket last year. You didnt see him rolling out anywhere near the same amount as the Plummer years. He not only has the quick thinking to disect defenses, but he has a gun that makes you defend it ALL.

CAN you read coverages? If you can, and you have the tools to get the ball there on target, then all you need is playing time.

The more playing time, the better you'll get.

Cutler not only will excel this year, but this off season everyone will be talking about him a heck of a lot more.


You'll see.:coffee:

Npba900
06-27-2008, 11:22 PM
Denver needs RB that weigh 245....right NPBA?

We already have one! His name is Hillis.

Rick
06-28-2008, 08:32 AM
IF we can stuff the run this year and IF we can rush the passer then the D will be great.

IF that happens then the offense will have a chance to do it's trademark balanced attacks of yesteryear.

IF Marshall can truly catch passes with his hand and IF Shef returns alright from the foot injury and IF one of the other receivers steps up as a capable #2 and IF Jay can truly deal with his diabetes and stay high energy and zip on the passes then 13-3 is POSSIBLE.

IF any of these things do not happen then I think 10-6 more probable.

jrelway
06-28-2008, 09:21 AM
this team has all the talent it needs just nbeed something to bring it all together. a big trade marshall for reggie bush would do the trick.
Maybe threow in Sheffler and start Nate Jackson. I wish we could have traded Henry for a 2nd rounder though.
We will be fine - cutler and stokley will get it done,

trade brandon marshall for reggie bush, and maybe even throw in scheffler? man oh man. maybe your just hungover bro.

Bizzarro
06-28-2008, 02:59 PM
I'm good on Cutler, Sheffler & Marshall, the rest of Denver's talen on offense I'm bit skeptical on. I hope they prove me wrong.

broncobryce
06-28-2008, 03:46 PM
Even mentioning Ramsey in the same ballpark as Cutler is hilarious. I don't care how many passes he completed, we got murdered that game. "The Patrick Ramsey Era" ? How many bong rips did you take just now?:cool: