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Battle has begun for Broncos' old and new quarterbacks
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
POSTED: 08/01/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT
UPDATED: 08/01/2010 01:38:29 AM MDT
Tim Tebow, center, is behind veteran Kyle Orton, right, on the Broncos' depth chart at quarterback. But for how long? (Hyoung Chang, The Denver Post )
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When Tim Tebow ended his unofficial holdout last week, the clock officially started ticking on Kyle Orton. The widespread perception is that Tebow's arrival for Broncos training camp, which starts today at the team's Dove Valley headquarters, means Orton is on borrowed time. A lame-duck incumbent. Dead Broncos quarterback walking into shotgun position.
"Who's not?" John Elway, the Broncos' Hall of Fame quarterback, said last week. "I mean other than Peyton Manning and top-echelon quarterbacks, who's really not?"
Even Elway himself, in the midst of his career, had to go through the indignity of receiving the message from his coaches that he was near the end and Tommy Maddox was here to replace him.
"I remember right where I was because I was coming into (Stapleton airport) waiting on my bags, and some guy walked up to me and says, 'Did you hear who you guys drafted today?' " Elway said.
With the No. 25 draft pick in 1992, the Broncos took not receiver Carl Pickens, as Elway had hoped, but a raw, sophomore quarterback from UCLA with a Hollywood-sounding name — Maddox.
Not until Elway learned that Pickens was still on the board at No. 25 did it set in exactly what coach Dan Reeves was trying to tell him. Elway, who had just finished his ninth season, would have his immediate replacement dressing right beside him.
"At that point in time, I just said, 'Well, I'm going to have to stay on it and stay good,' " Elway said.
Good? Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles. By then, Maddox was off playing in a rebel league.
An ill-advised draft decision, to be sure, but then again, who knows? Maybe it was the first-round selection of Maddox that helped spur Elway into finishing his career with a flourish.
"You've got three or four Hall of Famers in the league where it's their team," Orton said. "Everybody else, we're out there battling every year for your job. You know that every year, there's no more talking about it, you've got to produce on the field. I'm thinking about self-competition, making myself a better player."
No security in this business
Elway, ordinarily a scratch golfer, and Orton, who has a 2-handicap, played a round together this summer. Most people don't think Orton is very athletic because he's an immobile quarterback, but he not only can golf with anybody, he bowled a 268 a few minutes before the Broncos traded up to take Tebow with the No. 25 pick in the NFL draft on April 22.
Like Elway waiting patiently at the airport luggage area when he learned of Maddox,
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Orton was in public, eyes staring at his reaction the moment the Broncos took Tebow. Orton stood expressionless, then calmly escorted his wife, Bridget, outside the bowling lanes.
No one would have blamed Orton for picking up a 16-pound ball and whipping it across three or four alleys. He went into the offseason believing his solid performance last season, his first with the Broncos, would have earned him a long-term contract.
Instead of security, Orton got first a trade that brought in Brady Quinn, a first-round pick in 2007, and now Tebow.
No sense thinking long-term deal now.
"I guess that's the great thing about the season starting," Orton said. "Now the stories are about what happens on the field. Which is how I like it."
Competition brings out best
Don't get too carried away with future possibilities. Truth is, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would not have selected Tebow in the first round if he was satisfied with Orton. As it stands now, the plan is for Tebow to become the starting quarterback within a year or two.
But success, or failure, has a way of revising plans in the NFL. In 2003, Drew Brees threw 15 interceptions against 11 touchdowns, and his San Diego Chargers finished 4-12. The next year, the Chargers traded for quarterback Philip Rivers, the No. 4 pick, on draft day.
That season, Brees threw 27 touchdown passes against seven interceptions, and the Chargers finished 12-4.
Brees made Rivers spend two years on the sideline.
Green Bay first-round pick Aaron Rodgers had to wait until his fourth season before he finally replaced the never-retiring Brett Favre.
Hype is part of the game
In 2007, Cleveland used the No. 22 pick to select Brady Quinn, a Golden Boy from Notre Dame. Unexpectedly, third-string quarterback Derek Anderson had a Pro Bowl season.
Quinn is now the guy sandwiched between the incumbent Orton and the phenom Tebow. He understands what Tebow is going through — the guy everybody wants to interview while the veteran takes all the reps.
"It can put you in an awkward situation," Quinn said. "But I think you look at it as the business side of the game. There's a lot of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding young guys in the league."
Tebow said he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the enormous hype he receives in Orton's presence. And he credits Orton.
"We talk about things," Tebow said. "All three of us have a great relationship. We have fun together. Kyle has been through a lot in his career. He knows how to handle stuff."
In fact, Orton went through an almost identical quandary from the start. As a rookie in 2005 with the Chicago Bears, Orton led the Bears to a 10-5 record, only to have his job taken away in the playoffs by Rex Grossman, a former first-round pick who had returned from injury.
"In six years, I've been in what people might say is as tough a position as a quarterback can be in," Orton said. "That's why I think all this is going to make me a better player. I think it's going to make me a better person. And I think it's going to make me a better leader.
"I don't think about, 'This is my last year with the club.' The future, whatever that is — I think it's going to be here. If it's not, that's just the nature of the game. But this year, I'm excited for the season. I think we're going to have a great year. What happens from that point on is out of my hands. I'll let the play speak for itself."
Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com
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I don't understand all the hate for Orton, yeah he can't throw an egg through a brick wall like Cutler could but the guy is a professional and he is NOT a bad QB. He had a good year last year, I don't know why people cant see that, and come on he deserved to go to the pro bowl over Vince Young. If he can improve this year I'd love for the Broncos to sign him, even if he became the back up he'd easily be the best back up in the league if anything happened to whoever ends up being the starter the Broncos wouldn't be in too much trouble, provided they don't have to pay him big bucks which they probably would have to because I'm willing to bet someone will offer him a decent contract if he has another good season.
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KO Fan,
You are correct. Orton has handled this entire thing perfectly. I would expect him to come into this season with FULL control of this team. Quinn will be a solid back up while he learns the system (hopefully better that Simms)...And Tebow will work the clipboard and learn from the veterans and coaches until it is time for him to take over (may be next season, or the season after that). THAT, is how it is supposed to work.... That is what I see coming from McD and the Broncos.
McD has done what he can to build the team that he wants to coach..... No blame to be shared, if this team succeeds, it is on McD. If this team fails..... He takes the walk for it!!
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@David W You know your the joke. Someone just like you should be judging your work ethic.
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maddmatt wrote:Ted Gregory was drafted instead of Carl Pickens. I can still hear the announcers...OHHH! I'm not sure that was the best choice for Denver....Ted Gregory never made it out of training camp.
DP - Get it right Klis!
My memory says it was Maddox over Pickens.
And Elway was thinking Reeves you SOB get me a receiver.
Then pull this knife out of my back.
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The press is turning the Tebow deal into a 'battle' where none should even exist. It's a no brainer that the Broncos / McDaniels have invested the future in Tebow.
Anyone with a clue has stated the obvious that Orton's success is a win win win win situation for Orton, Tebow, McDanials and the Broncos. Any smart Broncos fan want's to see Orton have a great year while Tebow is slowly brought in and worked on his passing mechanics behind the scenes his first year.
Despite the Orton detractors, Orton had a great year by most QB standards. When you consider he wound up throwing for the 6th highest yardage in Broncos history after coming straight into a system completely alien to anything he had been around. Plus, you have to factor in that the team around him was ALSO learning a new system. Also, add in ALL the distractions going on around him. With all of that and winding up #12 qb in the NFL is certainly nothing to hang your head in shame over as the detractors so desperately want KO to do.
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BuffsnBroncos4eva wrote:Any rich guy that plays allot is good at golf, not to mention that some of the best bowlers can barley tie thier shoes. This makes Orton an athlete? Klis, you are the worst writer EVER. Mention a real sport before you EVER call Orton an athlete. Orton is a joke, most girls could make him look bad at anything. Shoot a woman could be a better QB than Orton with all the training. And she might be able to throw the bal further, it wouldn't take much and certainly she would be more accurate.
Kyle has to try hard ever day just to have a job. Without McDaniles NO one would be talking about Orton. The less about Orton the better. It just reminds us how horrible our team is whithout a real QB.
I would venture to guess that Orton would beat you at ANY event you were to choose... Sport or otherwise. Football, baseball, bowling, golf, UNO, go fish,.... counting to ten.... You name it, you lose.
You are just a reminder of how horrible a fan base would be without fans with brains...
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Any rich guy that plays allot is good at golf, not to mention that some of the best bowlers can barley tie thier shoes. This makes Orton an athlete? Klis, you are the worst writer EVER. Mention a real sport before you EVER call Orton an athlete. Orton is a joke, most girls could make him look bad at anything. Shoot a woman could be a better QB than Orton with all the training. And she might be able to throw the bal further, it wouldn't take much and certainly she would be more accurate.
Kyle has to try hard ever day just to have a job. Without McDaniles NO one would be talking about Orton. The less about Orton the better. It just reminds us how horrible our team is whithout a real QB.
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निब्बान wrote:
instaGATOR wrote:Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?
"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"
"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."
So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
In his first 7 years in the league, Elway led the Broncos to five playoff berths, 6 playoff wins, 3 AFC Championships, and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named MVP of the NFL in his 5th year.
All of this despite Dan Reeves...
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instaGATOR wrote:Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?
"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"
"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."
So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
In his first 7 years in the league, Elway led the Broncos to five playoff berths, 6 playoff wins, 3 AFC Championships, and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named MVP of the NFL in his 5th year.
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Well, the new coach has made his bed. Let's hope that the Bronco universe aren't the ones having nightmares because of it.
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I like the way that all 3 of these guys have handled the situation. Obviously, they are more mature and professional than the last "pro bowl" talent that we had in town... I wish them all good luck, I hope that they all have terrific seasons, and continue to push each other to be the best NFL QB that they can be.
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Orton is going to need a good start, if the Broncos start 2-2 or 3-3 he will be yanked. Thats my guess anyway
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ffdwd wrote:Im not sure I'd characterize Tebows short contract negotiations as an "unofficial hold-out" as Klis does starting his article. Guess it makes for more exciting print - but whats an unofficial hold-out anyway?
The question is if Orton has a great season - does McD still try to replace him with Tebow?
its a fact you need 2 qb's to survive a typical nfl season
i haven't seen quinn play yet obviously so it could all change if he can beat out orton
look how bad we got hurt when orton would get dinged and obviously needed time off and they had to turn to simms
if orton does show improvement i'd have no prob at all with the broncos offering him a decent contract to stay and have him and tebow keep battling it out to start
my guess is orton will sign for whoever offers the most money -- he's said several times that he was wanting to be paid comparable starting money
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Im not sure I'd characterize Tebows short contract negotiations as an "unofficial hold-out" as Klis does starting his article. Guess it makes for more exciting print - but whats an unofficial hold-out anyway?
The question is if Orton has a great season - does McD still try to replace him with Tebow?
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Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?
"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"
"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."
So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
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"It can put you in an awkward situation," Quinn said. "But I think you look at it as the business side of the game. There's a lot of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding young guys in the league."
Tebow said he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the enormous hype he receives in Orton's presence. And he credits Orton.
"We talk about things," Tebow said. "All three of us have a great relationship. We have fun together. Kyle has been through a lot in his career. He knows how to handle stuff."
It takes effort from all three of them,,, for all three of them to get along together. That's what real 'teammates' do btw. In 2006, that's how Chris Leak and Tim got along, and it's how Tebow and Brantley later got along. Tim can also be comfortable with either role."
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And Kyle's attitude would serve all of us well, I think:
"I think we're going to have a great year. What happens from that point on is out of my hands. >>> I'll let the play speak for itself."
And so will they all. Go Broncs.....
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I wonder if Orton will remain the starter just by playing the same as last year? I really hope not. It would be kind of pointless to go on that way if, after last year, you bring in Quinn and draft Tebow, and then Orton goes out and brings more of the same. It would be like, "why did you bring in these other guys, if you're OK with this?".
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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15650350
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
POSTED: 08/01/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT
UPDATED: 08/01/2010 01:38:29 AM MDT
Tim Tebow, center, is behind veteran Kyle Orton, right, on the Broncos' depth chart at quarterback. But for how long? (Hyoung Chang, The Denver Post )
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When Tim Tebow ended his unofficial holdout last week, the clock officially started ticking on Kyle Orton. The widespread perception is that Tebow's arrival for Broncos training camp, which starts today at the team's Dove Valley headquarters, means Orton is on borrowed time. A lame-duck incumbent. Dead Broncos quarterback walking into shotgun position.
"Who's not?" John Elway, the Broncos' Hall of Fame quarterback, said last week. "I mean other than Peyton Manning and top-echelon quarterbacks, who's really not?"
Even Elway himself, in the midst of his career, had to go through the indignity of receiving the message from his coaches that he was near the end and Tommy Maddox was here to replace him.
"I remember right where I was because I was coming into (Stapleton airport) waiting on my bags, and some guy walked up to me and says, 'Did you hear who you guys drafted today?' " Elway said.
With the No. 25 draft pick in 1992, the Broncos took not receiver Carl Pickens, as Elway had hoped, but a raw, sophomore quarterback from UCLA with a Hollywood-sounding name — Maddox.
Not until Elway learned that Pickens was still on the board at No. 25 did it set in exactly what coach Dan Reeves was trying to tell him. Elway, who had just finished his ninth season, would have his immediate replacement dressing right beside him.
"At that point in time, I just said, 'Well, I'm going to have to stay on it and stay good,' " Elway said.
Good? Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles. By then, Maddox was off playing in a rebel league.
An ill-advised draft decision, to be sure, but then again, who knows? Maybe it was the first-round selection of Maddox that helped spur Elway into finishing his career with a flourish.
"You've got three or four Hall of Famers in the league where it's their team," Orton said. "Everybody else, we're out there battling every year for your job. You know that every year, there's no more talking about it, you've got to produce on the field. I'm thinking about self-competition, making myself a better player."
No security in this business
Elway, ordinarily a scratch golfer, and Orton, who has a 2-handicap, played a round together this summer. Most people don't think Orton is very athletic because he's an immobile quarterback, but he not only can golf with anybody, he bowled a 268 a few minutes before the Broncos traded up to take Tebow with the No. 25 pick in the NFL draft on April 22.
Like Elway waiting patiently at the airport luggage area when he learned of Maddox,
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Orton was in public, eyes staring at his reaction the moment the Broncos took Tebow. Orton stood expressionless, then calmly escorted his wife, Bridget, outside the bowling lanes.
No one would have blamed Orton for picking up a 16-pound ball and whipping it across three or four alleys. He went into the offseason believing his solid performance last season, his first with the Broncos, would have earned him a long-term contract.
Instead of security, Orton got first a trade that brought in Brady Quinn, a first-round pick in 2007, and now Tebow.
No sense thinking long-term deal now.
"I guess that's the great thing about the season starting," Orton said. "Now the stories are about what happens on the field. Which is how I like it."
Competition brings out best
Don't get too carried away with future possibilities. Truth is, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would not have selected Tebow in the first round if he was satisfied with Orton. As it stands now, the plan is for Tebow to become the starting quarterback within a year or two.
But success, or failure, has a way of revising plans in the NFL. In 2003, Drew Brees threw 15 interceptions against 11 touchdowns, and his San Diego Chargers finished 4-12. The next year, the Chargers traded for quarterback Philip Rivers, the No. 4 pick, on draft day.
That season, Brees threw 27 touchdown passes against seven interceptions, and the Chargers finished 12-4.
Brees made Rivers spend two years on the sideline.
Green Bay first-round pick Aaron Rodgers had to wait until his fourth season before he finally replaced the never-retiring Brett Favre.
Hype is part of the game
In 2007, Cleveland used the No. 22 pick to select Brady Quinn, a Golden Boy from Notre Dame. Unexpectedly, third-string quarterback Derek Anderson had a Pro Bowl season.
Quinn is now the guy sandwiched between the incumbent Orton and the phenom Tebow. He understands what Tebow is going through — the guy everybody wants to interview while the veteran takes all the reps.
"It can put you in an awkward situation," Quinn said. "But I think you look at it as the business side of the game. There's a lot of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding young guys in the league."
Tebow said he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the enormous hype he receives in Orton's presence. And he credits Orton.
"We talk about things," Tebow said. "All three of us have a great relationship. We have fun together. Kyle has been through a lot in his career. He knows how to handle stuff."
In fact, Orton went through an almost identical quandary from the start. As a rookie in 2005 with the Chicago Bears, Orton led the Bears to a 10-5 record, only to have his job taken away in the playoffs by Rex Grossman, a former first-round pick who had returned from injury.
"In six years, I've been in what people might say is as tough a position as a quarterback can be in," Orton said. "That's why I think all this is going to make me a better player. I think it's going to make me a better person. And I think it's going to make me a better leader.
"I don't think about, 'This is my last year with the club.' The future, whatever that is — I think it's going to be here. If it's not, that's just the nature of the game. But this year, I'm excited for the season. I think we're going to have a great year. What happens from that point on is out of my hands. I'll let the play speak for itself."
Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com
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I don't understand all the hate for Orton, yeah he can't throw an egg through a brick wall like Cutler could but the guy is a professional and he is NOT a bad QB. He had a good year last year, I don't know why people cant see that, and come on he deserved to go to the pro bowl over Vince Young. If he can improve this year I'd love for the Broncos to sign him, even if he became the back up he'd easily be the best back up in the league if anything happened to whoever ends up being the starter the Broncos wouldn't be in too much trouble, provided they don't have to pay him big bucks which they probably would have to because I'm willing to bet someone will offer him a decent contract if he has another good season.
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KO Fan,
You are correct. Orton has handled this entire thing perfectly. I would expect him to come into this season with FULL control of this team. Quinn will be a solid back up while he learns the system (hopefully better that Simms)...And Tebow will work the clipboard and learn from the veterans and coaches until it is time for him to take over (may be next season, or the season after that). THAT, is how it is supposed to work.... That is what I see coming from McD and the Broncos.
McD has done what he can to build the team that he wants to coach..... No blame to be shared, if this team succeeds, it is on McD. If this team fails..... He takes the walk for it!!
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@David W You know your the joke. Someone just like you should be judging your work ethic.
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maddmatt wrote:Ted Gregory was drafted instead of Carl Pickens. I can still hear the announcers...OHHH! I'm not sure that was the best choice for Denver....Ted Gregory never made it out of training camp.
DP - Get it right Klis!
My memory says it was Maddox over Pickens.
And Elway was thinking Reeves you SOB get me a receiver.
Then pull this knife out of my back.
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The press is turning the Tebow deal into a 'battle' where none should even exist. It's a no brainer that the Broncos / McDaniels have invested the future in Tebow.
Anyone with a clue has stated the obvious that Orton's success is a win win win win situation for Orton, Tebow, McDanials and the Broncos. Any smart Broncos fan want's to see Orton have a great year while Tebow is slowly brought in and worked on his passing mechanics behind the scenes his first year.
Despite the Orton detractors, Orton had a great year by most QB standards. When you consider he wound up throwing for the 6th highest yardage in Broncos history after coming straight into a system completely alien to anything he had been around. Plus, you have to factor in that the team around him was ALSO learning a new system. Also, add in ALL the distractions going on around him. With all of that and winding up #12 qb in the NFL is certainly nothing to hang your head in shame over as the detractors so desperately want KO to do.
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BuffsnBroncos4eva wrote:Any rich guy that plays allot is good at golf, not to mention that some of the best bowlers can barley tie thier shoes. This makes Orton an athlete? Klis, you are the worst writer EVER. Mention a real sport before you EVER call Orton an athlete. Orton is a joke, most girls could make him look bad at anything. Shoot a woman could be a better QB than Orton with all the training. And she might be able to throw the bal further, it wouldn't take much and certainly she would be more accurate.
Kyle has to try hard ever day just to have a job. Without McDaniles NO one would be talking about Orton. The less about Orton the better. It just reminds us how horrible our team is whithout a real QB.
I would venture to guess that Orton would beat you at ANY event you were to choose... Sport or otherwise. Football, baseball, bowling, golf, UNO, go fish,.... counting to ten.... You name it, you lose.
You are just a reminder of how horrible a fan base would be without fans with brains...
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Any rich guy that plays allot is good at golf, not to mention that some of the best bowlers can barley tie thier shoes. This makes Orton an athlete? Klis, you are the worst writer EVER. Mention a real sport before you EVER call Orton an athlete. Orton is a joke, most girls could make him look bad at anything. Shoot a woman could be a better QB than Orton with all the training. And she might be able to throw the bal further, it wouldn't take much and certainly she would be more accurate.
Kyle has to try hard ever day just to have a job. Without McDaniles NO one would be talking about Orton. The less about Orton the better. It just reminds us how horrible our team is whithout a real QB.
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निब्बान wrote:
instaGATOR wrote:Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?
"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"
"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."
So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
In his first 7 years in the league, Elway led the Broncos to five playoff berths, 6 playoff wins, 3 AFC Championships, and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named MVP of the NFL in his 5th year.
All of this despite Dan Reeves...
Permanent link to this commentR. C | 10:55 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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instaGATOR wrote:Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?
"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"
"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."
So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
In his first 7 years in the league, Elway led the Broncos to five playoff berths, 6 playoff wins, 3 AFC Championships, and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named MVP of the NFL in his 5th year.
Permanent link to this commentKZ H | 10:49 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Well, the new coach has made his bed. Let's hope that the Bronco universe aren't the ones having nightmares because of it.
Permanent link to this commentCarl P | 10:35 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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I like the way that all 3 of these guys have handled the situation. Obviously, they are more mature and professional than the last "pro bowl" talent that we had in town... I wish them all good luck, I hope that they all have terrific seasons, and continue to push each other to be the best NFL QB that they can be.
Permanent link to this commentR. C | 9:30 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Orton is going to need a good start, if the Broncos start 2-2 or 3-3 he will be yanked. Thats my guess anyway
Permanent link to this commentDan S | 9:10 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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ffdwd wrote:Im not sure I'd characterize Tebows short contract negotiations as an "unofficial hold-out" as Klis does starting his article. Guess it makes for more exciting print - but whats an unofficial hold-out anyway?
The question is if Orton has a great season - does McD still try to replace him with Tebow?
its a fact you need 2 qb's to survive a typical nfl season
i haven't seen quinn play yet obviously so it could all change if he can beat out orton
look how bad we got hurt when orton would get dinged and obviously needed time off and they had to turn to simms
if orton does show improvement i'd have no prob at all with the broncos offering him a decent contract to stay and have him and tebow keep battling it out to start
my guess is orton will sign for whoever offers the most money -- he's said several times that he was wanting to be paid comparable starting money
Permanent link to this commentmahatma ghandi | 8:22 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Im not sure I'd characterize Tebows short contract negotiations as an "unofficial hold-out" as Klis does starting his article. Guess it makes for more exciting print - but whats an unofficial hold-out anyway?
The question is if Orton has a great season - does McD still try to replace him with Tebow?
Permanent link to this commentNotanATM . | 7:49 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?
"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"
"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."
So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
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"It can put you in an awkward situation," Quinn said. "But I think you look at it as the business side of the game. There's a lot of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding young guys in the league."
Tebow said he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the enormous hype he receives in Orton's presence. And he credits Orton.
"We talk about things," Tebow said. "All three of us have a great relationship. We have fun together. Kyle has been through a lot in his career. He knows how to handle stuff."
It takes effort from all three of them,,, for all three of them to get along together. That's what real 'teammates' do btw. In 2006, that's how Chris Leak and Tim got along, and it's how Tebow and Brantley later got along. Tim can also be comfortable with either role."
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And Kyle's attitude would serve all of us well, I think:
"I think we're going to have a great year. What happens from that point on is out of my hands. >>> I'll let the play speak for itself."
And so will they all. Go Broncs.....
Permanent link to this commentFrancis P | 7:42 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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I wonder if Orton will remain the starter just by playing the same as last year? I really hope not. It would be kind of pointless to go on that way if, after last year, you bring in Quinn and draft Tebow, and then Orton goes out and brings more of the same. It would be like, "why did you bring in these other guys, if you're OK with this?".
Permanent link to this commentlex l | 7:14 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15650350