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08-01-2010, 01:57 PM
Battle has begun for Broncos' old and new quarterbacks
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
POSTED: 08/01/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT
UPDATED: 08/01/2010 01:38:29 AM MDT


Tim Tebow, center, is behind veteran Kyle Orton, right, on the Broncos' depth chart at quarterback. But for how long? (Hyoung Chang, The Denver Post )
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When Tim Tebow ended his unofficial holdout last week, the clock officially started ticking on Kyle Orton. The widespread perception is that Tebow's arrival for Broncos training camp, which starts today at the team's Dove Valley headquarters, means Orton is on borrowed time. A lame-duck incumbent. Dead Broncos quarterback walking into shotgun position.

"Who's not?" John Elway, the Broncos' Hall of Fame quarterback, said last week. "I mean other than Peyton Manning and top-echelon quarterbacks, who's really not?"

Even Elway himself, in the midst of his career, had to go through the indignity of receiving the message from his coaches that he was near the end and Tommy Maddox was here to replace him.

"I remember right where I was because I was coming into (Stapleton airport) waiting on my bags, and some guy walked up to me and says, 'Did you hear who you guys drafted today?' " Elway said.
With the No. 25 draft pick in 1992, the Broncos took not receiver Carl Pickens, as Elway had hoped, but a raw, sophomore quarterback from UCLA with a Hollywood-sounding name — Maddox.

Not until Elway learned that Pickens was still on the board at No. 25 did it set in exactly what coach Dan Reeves was trying to tell him. Elway, who had just finished his ninth season, would have his immediate replacement dressing right beside him.

"At that point in time, I just said, 'Well, I'm going to have to stay on it and stay good,' " Elway said.

Good? Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles. By then, Maddox was off playing in a rebel league.

An ill-advised draft decision, to be sure, but then again, who knows? Maybe it was the first-round selection of Maddox that helped spur Elway into finishing his career with a flourish.

"You've got three or four Hall of Famers in the league where it's their team," Orton said. "Everybody else, we're out there battling every year for your job. You know that every year, there's no more talking about it, you've got to produce on the field. I'm thinking about self-competition, making myself a better player."

No security in this business

Elway, ordinarily a scratch golfer, and Orton, who has a 2-handicap, played a round together this summer. Most people don't think Orton is very athletic because he's an immobile quarterback, but he not only can golf with anybody, he bowled a 268 a few minutes before the Broncos traded up to take Tebow with the No. 25 pick in the NFL draft on April 22.

Like Elway waiting patiently at the airport luggage area when he learned of Maddox,

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Orton was in public, eyes staring at his reaction the moment the Broncos took Tebow. Orton stood expressionless, then calmly escorted his wife, Bridget, outside the bowling lanes.
No one would have blamed Orton for picking up a 16-pound ball and whipping it across three or four alleys. He went into the offseason believing his solid performance last season, his first with the Broncos, would have earned him a long-term contract.

Instead of security, Orton got first a trade that brought in Brady Quinn, a first-round pick in 2007, and now Tebow.

No sense thinking long-term deal now.

"I guess that's the great thing about the season starting," Orton said. "Now the stories are about what happens on the field. Which is how I like it."

Competition brings out best

Don't get too carried away with future possibilities. Truth is, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would not have selected Tebow in the first round if he was satisfied with Orton. As it stands now, the plan is for Tebow to become the starting quarterback within a year or two.

But success, or failure, has a way of revising plans in the NFL. In 2003, Drew Brees threw 15 interceptions against 11 touchdowns, and his San Diego Chargers finished 4-12. The next year, the Chargers traded for quarterback Philip Rivers, the No. 4 pick, on draft day.

That season, Brees threw 27 touchdown passes against seven interceptions, and the Chargers finished 12-4.

Brees made Rivers spend two years on the sideline.

Green Bay first-round pick Aaron Rodgers had to wait until his fourth season before he finally replaced the never-retiring Brett Favre.

Hype is part of the game

In 2007, Cleveland used the No. 22 pick to select Brady Quinn, a Golden Boy from Notre Dame. Unexpectedly, third-string quarterback Derek Anderson had a Pro Bowl season.

Quinn is now the guy sandwiched between the incumbent Orton and the phenom Tebow. He understands what Tebow is going through — the guy everybody wants to interview while the veteran takes all the reps.

"It can put you in an awkward situation," Quinn said. "But I think you look at it as the business side of the game. There's a lot of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding young guys in the league."

Tebow said he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the enormous hype he receives in Orton's presence. And he credits Orton.

"We talk about things," Tebow said. "All three of us have a great relationship. We have fun together. Kyle has been through a lot in his career. He knows how to handle stuff."

In fact, Orton went through an almost identical quandary from the start. As a rookie in 2005 with the Chicago Bears, Orton led the Bears to a 10-5 record, only to have his job taken away in the playoffs by Rex Grossman, a former first-round pick who had returned from injury.

"In six years, I've been in what people might say is as tough a position as a quarterback can be in," Orton said. "That's why I think all this is going to make me a better player. I think it's going to make me a better person. And I think it's going to make me a better leader.

"I don't think about, 'This is my last year with the club.' The future, whatever that is — I think it's going to be here. If it's not, that's just the nature of the game. But this year, I'm excited for the season. I think we're going to have a great year. What happens from that point on is out of my hands. I'll let the play speak for itself."

Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com


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I don't understand all the hate for Orton, yeah he can't throw an egg through a brick wall like Cutler could but the guy is a professional and he is NOT a bad QB. He had a good year last year, I don't know why people cant see that, and come on he deserved to go to the pro bowl over Vince Young. If he can improve this year I'd love for the Broncos to sign him, even if he became the back up he'd easily be the best back up in the league if anything happened to whoever ends up being the starter the Broncos wouldn't be in too much trouble, provided they don't have to pay him big bucks which they probably would have to because I'm willing to bet someone will offer him a decent contract if he has another good season.

Permanent link to this commentTyler P | 12:52 PM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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KO Fan,
You are correct. Orton has handled this entire thing perfectly. I would expect him to come into this season with FULL control of this team. Quinn will be a solid back up while he learns the system (hopefully better that Simms)...And Tebow will work the clipboard and learn from the veterans and coaches until it is time for him to take over (may be next season, or the season after that). THAT, is how it is supposed to work.... That is what I see coming from McD and the Broncos.
McD has done what he can to build the team that he wants to coach..... No blame to be shared, if this team succeeds, it is on McD. If this team fails..... He takes the walk for it!!

Permanent link to this commentR. C | 11:58 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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@David W You know your the joke. Someone just like you should be judging your work ethic.

Permanent link to this commentMike O | 11:54 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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maddmatt wrote:Ted Gregory was drafted instead of Carl Pickens. I can still hear the announcers...OHHH! I'm not sure that was the best choice for Denver....Ted Gregory never made it out of training camp.

DP - Get it right Klis!





My memory says it was Maddox over Pickens.
And Elway was thinking Reeves you SOB get me a receiver.
Then pull this knife out of my back.

Permanent link to this commentrico k | 11:54 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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The press is turning the Tebow deal into a 'battle' where none should even exist. It's a no brainer that the Broncos / McDaniels have invested the future in Tebow.

Anyone with a clue has stated the obvious that Orton's success is a win win win win situation for Orton, Tebow, McDanials and the Broncos. Any smart Broncos fan want's to see Orton have a great year while Tebow is slowly brought in and worked on his passing mechanics behind the scenes his first year.

Despite the Orton detractors, Orton had a great year by most QB standards. When you consider he wound up throwing for the 6th highest yardage in Broncos history after coming straight into a system completely alien to anything he had been around. Plus, you have to factor in that the team around him was ALSO learning a new system. Also, add in ALL the distractions going on around him. With all of that and winding up #12 qb in the NFL is certainly nothing to hang your head in shame over as the detractors so desperately want KO to do.

Permanent link to this commentKyle Morton Craig Orton | 11:39 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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BuffsnBroncos4eva wrote:Any rich guy that plays allot is good at golf, not to mention that some of the best bowlers can barley tie thier shoes. This makes Orton an athlete? Klis, you are the worst writer EVER. Mention a real sport before you EVER call Orton an athlete. Orton is a joke, most girls could make him look bad at anything. Shoot a woman could be a better QB than Orton with all the training. And she might be able to throw the bal further, it wouldn't take much and certainly she would be more accurate.

Kyle has to try hard ever day just to have a job. Without McDaniles NO one would be talking about Orton. The less about Orton the better. It just reminds us how horrible our team is whithout a real QB.


I would venture to guess that Orton would beat you at ANY event you were to choose... Sport or otherwise. Football, baseball, bowling, golf, UNO, go fish,.... counting to ten.... You name it, you lose.
You are just a reminder of how horrible a fan base would be without fans with brains...

Permanent link to this commentR. C | 11:18 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Any rich guy that plays allot is good at golf, not to mention that some of the best bowlers can barley tie thier shoes. This makes Orton an athlete? Klis, you are the worst writer EVER. Mention a real sport before you EVER call Orton an athlete. Orton is a joke, most girls could make him look bad at anything. Shoot a woman could be a better QB than Orton with all the training. And she might be able to throw the bal further, it wouldn't take much and certainly she would be more accurate.

Kyle has to try hard ever day just to have a job. Without McDaniles NO one would be talking about Orton. The less about Orton the better. It just reminds us how horrible our team is whithout a real QB.

Permanent link to this commentDavid W | 11:05 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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निब्बान wrote:
instaGATOR wrote:Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?

"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"

"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."

So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....


In his first 7 years in the league, Elway led the Broncos to five playoff berths, 6 playoff wins, 3 AFC Championships, and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named MVP of the NFL in his 5th year.



All of this despite Dan Reeves...

Permanent link to this commentR. C | 10:55 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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instaGATOR wrote:Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?

"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"

"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."

So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....


In his first 7 years in the league, Elway led the Broncos to five playoff berths, 6 playoff wins, 3 AFC Championships, and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named MVP of the NFL in his 5th year.

Permanent link to this commentKZ H | 10:49 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Well, the new coach has made his bed. Let's hope that the Bronco universe aren't the ones having nightmares because of it.

Permanent link to this commentCarl P | 10:35 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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I like the way that all 3 of these guys have handled the situation. Obviously, they are more mature and professional than the last "pro bowl" talent that we had in town... I wish them all good luck, I hope that they all have terrific seasons, and continue to push each other to be the best NFL QB that they can be.

Permanent link to this commentR. C | 9:30 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Orton is going to need a good start, if the Broncos start 2-2 or 3-3 he will be yanked. Thats my guess anyway

Permanent link to this commentDan S | 9:10 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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ffdwd wrote:Im not sure I'd characterize Tebows short contract negotiations as an "unofficial hold-out" as Klis does starting his article. Guess it makes for more exciting print - but whats an unofficial hold-out anyway?

The question is if Orton has a great season - does McD still try to replace him with Tebow?


its a fact you need 2 qb's to survive a typical nfl season

i haven't seen quinn play yet obviously so it could all change if he can beat out orton

look how bad we got hurt when orton would get dinged and obviously needed time off and they had to turn to simms

if orton does show improvement i'd have no prob at all with the broncos offering him a decent contract to stay and have him and tebow keep battling it out to start

my guess is orton will sign for whoever offers the most money -- he's said several times that he was wanting to be paid comparable starting money

Permanent link to this commentmahatma ghandi | 8:22 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Im not sure I'd characterize Tebows short contract negotiations as an "unofficial hold-out" as Klis does starting his article. Guess it makes for more exciting print - but whats an unofficial hold-out anyway?

The question is if Orton has a great season - does McD still try to replace him with Tebow?

Permanent link to this commentNotanATM . | 7:49 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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Question: So, how long did it take Elway to become really good as a QB?

"Elway, who had just finished his ninth season,"

"Over the next seven years, Elway posted his six best statistical seasons in terms of quarterback rating, a run of efficiency capped by consecutive Super Bowl titles."

So do remember to give (lower draft pick) Tim Tebow time to become really good.
Sometimes you need to wait patiently for the 'Good Times' to roll.....
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"It can put you in an awkward situation," Quinn said. "But I think you look at it as the business side of the game. There's a lot of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding young guys in the league."
Tebow said he doesn't feel uncomfortable about the enormous hype he receives in Orton's presence. And he credits Orton.

"We talk about things," Tebow said. "All three of us have a great relationship. We have fun together. Kyle has been through a lot in his career. He knows how to handle stuff."

It takes effort from all three of them,,, for all three of them to get along together. That's what real 'teammates' do btw. In 2006, that's how Chris Leak and Tim got along, and it's how Tebow and Brantley later got along. Tim can also be comfortable with either role."

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And Kyle's attitude would serve all of us well, I think:

"I think we're going to have a great year. What happens from that point on is out of my hands. >>> I'll let the play speak for itself."

And so will they all. Go Broncs.....

Permanent link to this commentFrancis P | 7:42 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
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I wonder if Orton will remain the starter just by playing the same as last year? I really hope not. It would be kind of pointless to go on that way if, after last year, you bring in Quinn and draft Tebow, and then Orton goes out and brings more of the same. It would be like, "why did you bring in these other guys, if you're OK with this?".

Permanent link to this commentlex l | 7:14 AM on Sunday Aug 1 | Reply to this comment
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15650350

MadMax
08-01-2010, 06:24 PM
Great article, and it even comes with its own discussion! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I will say KO was not very inspiring last season but he sounds like an awesome person, just the crap he's gone through his whole career and he just continues to support his team and compete. I would be so happy if things just suddenly clicked this year and he started kicking ass.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 07:14 PM
I suspect he will have a contract year and move on to a TEAM that embraces him and will not have to follow a spoiled brat with a rocket arm.

I wish him well as he has shown more class than many "bronco fans" have.
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Superchop 7
08-02-2010, 12:14 PM
Well, right now it's crystal clear he is the number 1, (only guy comfortable with the system) Quinn is the number 2, (Definately further ahead than Tebow) and Tebow is the number 3. (Long ways to go)

From what I have seen.

Sconnie Bronco
08-02-2010, 12:28 PM
Well, right now it's crystal clear he is the number 1, (only guy comfortable with the system) Quinn is the number 2, (Definately further ahead than Tebow) and Tebow is the number 3. (Long ways to go)

From what I have seen.

Because of the NFLs rules on carrying a #3 QB, Tebow might actually be closer to the #2 than anyone else.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 12:32 PM
If Orton has a solid year this year and leads the team to a playoff win, things could possibly get interesting in the Denver offices.

claymore
08-02-2010, 12:37 PM
I suspect he will have a contract year and move on to a TEAM that embraces him and will not have to follow a spoiled brat with a rocket arm.

I wish him well as he has shown more class than many "bronco fans" have.
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Sconnie Bronco
08-02-2010, 12:38 PM
If Orton has a solid year this year and leads the team to a playoff win, things could possibly get interesting in the Denver offices.

It wont get THAT interesting. I think the McDaniels feels that even if Orton has a good year, he will turn into a pumpkin at any moment,...not unlike Plummer. But, if anything, it will determine whether they keep Quinn or Orton.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-02-2010, 12:49 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15655360

The NFL rule book has an entire page that covers the usage and game-day eligibility of a team's No. 3 quarterback.

The Broncos may get to know that page very well when the Tebowmania of the preseason, which was in full force Sunday, gives way to how the team plans to use Tim Tebow when the regular season begins.

Right now, he is the team's No. 3 quarterback, behind Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn. If Tebow remains in that spot through the preseason, it puts the team in position to have to make some difficult decisions.

NFL teams must declare eight inactive players on game day. Most teams pick seven position players, who usually are not in uniform, and use the eighth spot on the inactive list for the No. 3 quarterback, who is in uniform but cannot play except for a specific set of circumstances. That is in place largely to prevent teams from doing too much juggling at quarterback as part of their offensive scheme.

In the regular season, the No. 3 quarterback cannot enter a game before the fourth quarter without rather severe restrictions. If the designated No. 3 quarterback enters before the fourth quarter, the Nos. 1 and 2 quarterbacks cannot re-enter the game for any reason, even if the No. 3 QB gets injured.

Once the designated No. 3 quarterback enters the game, he is not permitted to line up at any other position besides quarterback on offense, but he could play special teams after his first play. He is not permitted to play special teams on his first play in the game, so if Tebow were the designated No. 3, he could not line up on special teams as the holder or punter — on a gadget play — until he has participated in at least one play from scrimmage as a quarterback.

The Broncos could activate all three of their quarterbacks on game day on the 45-man roster. But that's almost unheard of, and the fear would be coming into a game too light in the offensive and defensive lines as well as on special teams, already a huge concern for coaches as they deal with the current 45-man rule.

The Broncos could make Tebow the No. 2 quarterback on game day to use him in their version of the wildcat formation whenever they wished. That would push Brady Quinn, who right now is solidly at No. 2 and for whom the Broncos traded, down to No. 3.

The reasoning could be that if Quinn had to enter the game for the injured Orton before the fourth quarter, all it would do is prevent the Broncos from putting Tebow behind center.

But how that would sit with a veteran player like Quinn remains to be seen, especially if he's the No. 2 quarterback by merit.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has repeatedly said Tebow is a "quarterback, period," but to use him as much as some Broncos fans would obviously like them to, the team has to make some difficult decisions.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 12:49 PM
It wont get THAT interesting. I think the McDaniels feels that even if Orton has a good year, he will turn into a pumpkin at any moment,...not unlike Plummer. But, if anything, it will determine whether they keep Quinn or Orton.

If we make the playoffs with Orton this year, and then McDaniels replaces Orton with Quinn/Tebow and we don't make the playoffs the following year, McDaniels should go right to the hot seat, and coaching desperately for his job the following season.

claymore
08-02-2010, 12:53 PM
Our offense is buffed this year. We should no by the halfway point Ortons future.

TXBRONC
08-02-2010, 02:40 PM
If we make the playoffs with Orton this year, and then McDaniels replaces Orton with Quinn/Tebow and we don't make the playoffs the following year, McDaniels should go right to the hot seat, and coaching desperately for his job the following season.

I don't think that would necessarily be the case. If we went in and were one and done and we didn't make it the following year because we have we had a relatively inexperienced 2nd year quarterback running the offense I don't think that would put McDaniels on the hot seat. It would take complete collapse with Tebow at the helm for that happen imho.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 02:48 PM
I don't think that would necessarily be the case. If we went in and were one and done and we didn't make it the following year because we have we had a relatively inexperienced 2nd year quarterback running the offense I don't think that would put McDaniels on the hot seat. It would take complete collapse with Tebow at the helm for that happen imho.

He's made so ay changes since being hired though, I think at some point there has to be a progression and building of where the organization is at, instead of a constant tearing down.

If in 2 seasons (after 3 seasons with Denver) there is more tearing down, I think you have to ask, at what point is all this going to be worth it? In his 5th season? That's too for an organization to be unstable, IMHO.

SOCALORADO.
08-02-2010, 02:52 PM
In 1990 Tim Tebow buried a time capsule full of things that haven't happened yet.
One of items buried was his 2010 MVP Super Bowl Ring.

TXBRONC
08-02-2010, 03:11 PM
He's made so ay changes since being hired though, I think at some point there has to be a progression and building of where the organization is at, instead of a constant tearing down.

If in 2 seasons (after 3 seasons with Denver) there is more tearing down, I think you have to ask, at what point is all this going to be worth it? In his 5th season? That's too for an organization to be unstable, IMHO.

That's wasn't exactly what I was understanding from your previous post. I was understanding you to say if we make the playoffs this season and regress next season because we had inexperienced quarterback at the helm I don't think that would be necessarily problematic unless we had a complete collapse.


That aside, yeah if we're floundering going into McDaniels 4th season that more than likely would be a problem. Drafting Tebow to be his franchise quarterback bought McDaniels an extra year maybe two. If McDaniels is going into his 5th season and doesn't make the playoffs I don't think he would think he would be returning for a 6th season.

Btw isn't McDaniels contract for 5 years? :confused:

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 03:15 PM
That's wasn't exactly what I was understanding from your previous post. I was understanding you to say if we make the playoffs this season and regress next season because we had inexperienced quarterback at the helm I don't think that would be necessarily problematic unless we had a complete collapse.


That aside, yeah if we're floundering going into McDaniels 4th season that more than likely would be a problem. Drafting Tebow to be his franchise quarterback bought McDaniels an extra year maybe two. If McDaniels is going into his 5th season and doesn't make the playoffs I don't think he would think he would be returning for a 6th season.

Btw isn't McDaniels contract for 5 years? :confused:

I think in 2 years if we flounder (basing this on if we have a good-great seaso nthis year), I wouldn't base it on a QB that was inexperienced, but merely a coach making more constant changes to major positions of the team.

I'm not an Orton fan by any means, but I think if Denver somehow succeeds with him (possibly playoff win), and doesn't lose because of him, you have to go with what you have working.

I'm in a no win situation right now. I really, really like McDaniels, but I hate Orton, and I hate Tebow. So I'm either going to lose a coach I think can be a great one, or I will be forced to root for one of those 2 f'ugly QB's. Best case scenario for me is Quinn breaks through and becomes Denver's next QB, but it's highly unlikely he even gets an oppurtunity.

Superchop 7
08-02-2010, 03:21 PM
This is a tough choice.

Maybe by game 8 Tebow will have enough of a grasp of the playbook to be the number 2.

But.....right now.....he is a deer-in-the-headlights QB.

I think you have to think long term.....what is in his best interests.

Let him get up to speed.

It may also help our 2nd half of season to get a boost.

BroncoWave
08-02-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm in a no win situation right now. I really, really like McDaniels, but I hate Orton, and I hate Tebow. So I'm either going to lose a coach I think can be a great one, or I will be forced to root for one of those 2 f'ugly QB's. Best case scenario for me is Quinn breaks through and becomes Denver's next QB, but it's highly unlikely he even gets an oppurtunity.

God forbid you HAVE to root for a Broncos QB. I don't understand how a Broncos fan could HATE a member of the Broncos, especially one who is a professional and never does anything bad in the locker room or off the field, much like Orton and Tebow.

I think it's especially ridiculous to hate Tebow given the fact that he hasn't even proven what he can do. If he were to somehow start this season and win ROY would you still hate him? What if he eventually leads us to a title? Will you still hate him then?

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 03:30 PM
God forbid you HAVE to root for a Broncos QB. I don't understand how a Broncos fan could HATE a member of the Broncos, especially one who is a professional and never does anything bad in the locker room or off the field, much like Orton and Tebow.

I think it's especially ridiculous to hate Tebow given the fact that he hasn't even proven what he can do. If he were to somehow start this season and win ROY would you still hate him? What if he eventually leads us to a title? Will you still hate him then?

God Forbid you have to LOVE every player on the team you choose to root for. I don't understand why when a player plays for my favorite team they are all of a sudden likeable and perfect, and you have no choice in the matter.

John Elway came into the league spoiled and entitled, and it seemed to work out ok for Denver.

And LMAO at you giving you "class points" to good character players. It has nothing to do with their performance on the field. This isn't college football, get over yourself.

BroncoWave
08-02-2010, 03:40 PM
God Forbid you have to LOVE every player on the team you choose to root for. I don't understand why when a player plays for my favorite team they are all of a sudden likeable and perfect, and you have no choice in the matter.

John Elway came into the league spoiled and entitled, and it seemed to work out ok for Denver.

And LMAO at you giving you "class points" to good character players. It has nothing to do with their performance on the field. This isn't college football, get over yourself.

I don't hate any Broncos players. There are some players who I think suck and wish we had a better player in their place, but I still cheer for them. I never said you had to think every player is perfect, but to flat out hate players for seemingly no good reason is just baffling to me.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 03:44 PM
I don't hate any Broncos players. There are some players who I think suck and wish we had a better player in their place, but I still cheer for them. I never said you had to think every player is perfect, but to flat out hate players for seemingly no good reason is just baffling to me.

What do ya know, I think you're slowly, yet surely, starting to catch on. Congratulations.


or I will be forced to root for one of those 2 f'ugly QB's.

BroncoWave
08-02-2010, 03:47 PM
It still baffles me that you see it as being "forced" to root for one of those 2 guys. It's not any strain on me at all to root for any Broncos player to succeed, regardless how I feel about them as a player or person.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 03:53 PM
It still baffles me that you see it as being "forced" to root for one of those 2 guys. It's not any strain on me at all to root for any Broncos player to succeed, regardless how I feel about them as a player or person.

LMAO What, you don't have preferences for the type of players you rooted for?

I didn't like Plummer, but the dude won, and regardless of how I felt about him as a player, I thought he got shafted by Mike "the mastermind" Shanahan.

I hated the douche that was known as Cutler, but the kid flkat out played hard on the field, and I loved watching him.

It's the NFL. I could give a **** about what kind of people make up my favorite teams. If they're players and they appeal to my subjective taste, I love rooting for them.

BroncoWave
08-02-2010, 03:59 PM
LMAO What, you don't have preferences for the type of players you rooted for?

I didn't like Plummer, but the dude won, and regardless of how I felt about him as a player, I thought he got shafted by Mike "the mastermind" Shanahan.

I hated the douche that was known as Cutler, but the kid flkat out played hard on the field, and I loved watching him.

It's the NFL. I could give a **** about what kind of people make up my favorite teams. If they're players and they appeal to my subjective taste, I love rooting for them.

There have been plenty of Broncos players who I thought sucked or didn't particularly like, but I have never had any problem rooting my ass of for them while on the field in a Broncos uniform.

Ravage!!!
08-02-2010, 03:59 PM
Heard a reporter from the Denver camp this morning on Cowherd's show. They at first were talking about the injuries to the RBs, but of course Tebow came up.

The reporter said that as of right now, there is no secrets as to what McD plans to do with Tebow.. for now. He's getting more snaps than Quinn.

The snaps that Tebow has been lining up in, is very clear. Shotgun and running straight btween the guards for short-yardage plays.

Obviously this isn't going to be all, but as of what has been shown so far, Tebow will absolutely get a lot of playing time in the short-yardage game.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 04:02 PM
There have been plenty of Broncos players who I thought sucked or didn't particularly like, but I have never had any problem rooting my ass of for them while on the field in a Broncos uniform.

That's fine. That's your own, biased, subjective opinion. Allow me to have mine.

Sconnie Bronco
08-02-2010, 04:02 PM
If we make the playoffs with Orton this year, and then McDaniels replaces Orton with Quinn/Tebow and we don't make the playoffs the following year, McDaniels should go right to the hot seat, and coaching desperately for his job the following season.

I dont think its as simple as how Orton plays.

Ravage!!!
08-02-2010, 04:03 PM
There have been plenty of Broncos players who I thought sucked or didn't particularly like, but I have never had any problem rooting my ass of for them while on the field in a Broncos uniform.

You two are saying the same thing. You have a problem using the word "forced" when its still no different than what you are doing.

He's saying that there are players on other teams that he wishes well for, likes, and enjoys watching as long as they aren't hurting the Broncos. He's saying that if Orton or Tebow were NOT Broncos, he would absolutely NOT root for them. Now that they ARE Broncos, and his allegiance is with Denver, then he has no choice but to root for them BECAUSE they are Broncos. He's not going to root against them, so he is FORCED to root for them because it benefits the team.

Thats no different then what you are saying. He doesn't like the player... doesn't like the person.. doesn't like the 'man'..or whatever, but STILL roots for their success when they are suited up in blue-n-orange.

It absolutely makes sense, and there is nothing wrong with what he's saying. The word "forced" really isn't as bad as you are making it out to be.

BroncoWave
08-02-2010, 04:03 PM
That's fine. That's your own, biased, subjective opinion. Allow me to have mine.

I never said you weren't allowed to have that opinion, I just said that it baffles me.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 04:05 PM
I dont think its as simple as how Orton plays.

It would completely shock the hell out of me, but if he pulls a Drew Brees in his final season with SD, what does Denver do? SD got lucky that Rivers was able to step in, but look at a guy like Boller. That's a big risk to take.

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 04:06 PM
I never said you weren't allowed to have that opinion, I just said that it baffles me.

You went from "God Forbid" to "baffles". That's a pretty huge step down the ladder.

Sconnie Bronco
08-02-2010, 04:15 PM
It would completely shock the hell out of me, but if he pulls a Drew Brees in his final season with SD, what does Denver do? SD got lucky that Rivers was able to step in, but look at a guy like Boller. That's a big risk to take.

Thats a pretty big hypothetical scenario youre suggesting.

NittanyBuff24
08-02-2010, 04:23 PM
It still baffles me that you see it as being "forced" to root for one of those 2 guys. It's not any strain on me at all to root for any Broncos player to succeed, regardless how I feel about them as a player or person.

Have to agree a little, it pains me to watch Orton play and I am praying BQ can live up to his potential and its hard not to root for a quailty kid like Tebow, but I have my doubts about his ability!

Sconnie Bronco
08-02-2010, 04:36 PM
Have to agree a little, it pains me to watch Orton play and I am praying BQ can live up to his potential and its hard not to root for a quailty kid like Tebow, but I have my doubts about his ability!

I have a feeling Tebow will be great...good at the worst.

arapaho2
08-02-2010, 05:43 PM
It would completely shock the hell out of me, but if he pulls a Drew Brees in his final season with SD, what does Denver do? SD got lucky that Rivers was able to step in, but look at a guy like Boller. That's a big risk to take.


the bolts went 9-7 and missed the post season and were swept by the broncos in 05...brees last season in sd

given that... orton is history

GGMoogly
08-02-2010, 06:08 PM
The thing the REALLY pisses me off? I know McD won't pick up that phone and ask me. He just FLAT OUT REFUSES!! :shocked:




He'll pay...oh how he will pay...:tsk: