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nevcraw
08-01-2010, 11:28 AM
Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno was just carted off the field with what appears to be an injury to his right knee or ankle. After reaching the team’s headquarter doors, Moreno had to be assisted off the cart by members of the Broncos’ training staff.

Moreno is the Broncos’ starting tailback who gained 947 yards, on 3.8 yards per carry, last season. He was the Broncos’ No. 12 overall draft pick last season.

Moreno’s injury came as the Broncos were lining for offense vs. defense contact drill.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/01/knowshon-moreno-carted-off-field/4044/

silkamilkamonico
08-01-2010, 11:35 AM
Really did not sound good at all. Denver is going to have to call any available RB's and look for 1 or 2 to sign. I hope McDaniels doesn't panic and trade a plethora of draft picks away for a one year RB.

nevcraw
08-01-2010, 11:37 AM
DP also tweeted - that bucky limped off field as well..

nevcraw
08-01-2010, 11:40 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5428138

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Denver Broncos running backs Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter have both been injured on the Broncos' first day of training camp.

Moreno was carted off the field after hurting his right leg Sunday, and Buckhalter injured his left leg minutes later.

About an hour into the workout, Moreno caught a pass in 7-on-7 drills and turned upfield when his leg buckled. He grimaced as he hopped into the team's headquarters for tests.

Buckhalter hurt his leg about 10 minutes later during the same drill and limped off on his own.

The Broncos traded veteran running back J.J. Arrington to Philadelphia on the eve of camp. They had no immediate word on the extent or nature of the injuries to Moreno and Buckhalter.


Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

UnderArmour
08-01-2010, 11:42 AM
Get that deal with Westbrook done pronto.

Italianmobstr7
08-01-2010, 11:43 AM
REALLY hoping Knowshon and Buckhalter's injuries aren't serious. Bucky sounds like a pulled hammy. Knowshon to me, seems like a torn ACL. I'm hoping it's something less serious like a sprained knee or a sprained MCL or something. Anything but a torn ACL really... I feel like that would really hurt our season. I think he's poised for a breakout year.

silkamilkamonico
08-01-2010, 11:44 AM
LOL


What a joke.

nevcraw
08-01-2010, 11:50 AM
I think it is high time to intsall the "virtual" training camp

GEM
08-01-2010, 11:53 AM
Moreno's sounds serious. Stop, turn and buckle....not good at all.

broncobryce
08-01-2010, 11:59 AM
Westbrook is about to get paid

spikerman
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
I've never seen it turn out well when a player goes down with a leg problem without any contact. sigh.

Slick
08-01-2010, 12:06 PM
This can't be good for Knowshon.

Who's available besides Westbrook? Any other savvy veterans we could sign if this turns out to be a season ender?

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 12:11 PM
Tater is out there :wink:
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WARHORSE
08-01-2010, 12:18 PM
Get that deal with Westbrook done pronto.

First thing that came to my mind too.

Buff
08-01-2010, 12:26 PM
This can't be good for Knowshon.

Who's available besides Westbrook? Any other savvy veterans we could sign if this turns out to be a season ender?

Justin Fargas? Guy always ran hard for Oakland. Or we could bring in the local boy and team cancer Lendale While.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 12:29 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

Knowshon Moreno carted off field, lower leg injury, doesn't look too serious. about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Slick
08-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Justin Fargas? Guy always ran hard for Oakland. Or we could bring in the local boy and team cancer Lendale While.

I don't normally jump to conclusions but like GEM basically said, being carted off the field, receiving an injury with no contact doesn't give me optimism.

We could do worse than Fargas. nfl.com used to have a free agent list but now I can't seem to find it.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 12:32 PM
Well maybe the doom and gloom squad will quiet down now. Until an actual announcement is made.
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broncobryce
08-01-2010, 12:33 PM
Yeah I don't want to jump to panicked conclusions, but our depth at RB is not good.

spikerman
08-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Well maybe the doom and gloom squad will quiet down now. Until an actual announcement is made.
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Unfortunately that could be some time as this regime seems to treat injuries like national secrets.

jrelway
08-01-2010, 12:34 PM
gosh dammit man

Italianmobstr7
08-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Well maybe the doom and gloom squad will quiet down now. Until an actual announcement is made.
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I think people have a right to be nervous man... When you hear that your 2nd year running back who's poised for a breakout season goes down on the first day of camp without getting touched and his "knee buckled and was carted off the field" people are bound to be nervous, and upset. I haven't jumped to conclusions yet, but it definitely doesn't sound good. IF it is serious, our season takes a big hit before it's even begun.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 12:35 PM
This sucks! The injury for Knowshon doesn't sound minor at all. Does anyone know when will they do an MRI?

I really hope we sign Westbrook now. Regardless of how serious Moreno is hurt we still seem to go through RB's like nothing every year, so insurance would be nice. We also need to be looking at all the releases.

Can we just go into the season for once with no one injured?

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 12:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5428138

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Denver Broncos running backs Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter have both been injured on the Broncos' first day of training camp.

Moreno was carted off the field after hurting his right leg Sunday, and Buckhalter injured his left leg minutes later.

About an hour into the workout, Moreno caught a pass in 7-on-7 drills and turned upfield when his leg buckled. He grimaced as he hopped into the team's headquarters for tests.

Buckhalter hurt his leg about 10 minutes later during the same drill and limped off on his own.

The Broncos traded veteran running back J.J. Arrington to Philadelphia on the eve of camp. They had no immediate word on the extent or nature of the injuries to Moreno and Buckhalter.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 12:41 PM
http://twitter.com/postbroncos

McD: no diagnosis, timetable on Knowshon, Buckhalter injuries yet 26 minutes ago via UberTwitter

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 12:42 PM
"I think we have about 30 guys in the cold tub right now." -- McDaniels, on team after first practice

Nomad
08-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Damn turf monster!! Is this the curse of JJ:ponder:!:D

If you're looking for hometown boys, Buff, I believe Chris Brown is available!!:madgrin:

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 12:46 PM
I think people have a right to be nervous man... When you hear that your 2nd year running back who's poised for a breakout season goes down on the first day of camp without getting touched and his "knee buckled and was carted off the field" people are bound to be nervous, and upset. I haven't jumped to conclusions yet, but it definitely doesn't sound good. IF it is serious, our season takes a big hit before it's even begun.

do you suppose that Josh and company are not already working on a deal with someone IF they need to be?

Let the dust settle before you pronounce the end of the world.

If the season takes a hit then so be it nothing we can do on this forum will make a bit of difference.

Calm down and let the pros handle it. y'all seem to forget there are 3-4 rookies that lots of folks here have been raving about.

silkamilkamonico
08-01-2010, 12:53 PM
I personally think it's drifting to the end of the world just having those 2 at RB's. It's only a matter of time before Buckhalter gets hurt and misses significant time....again. Moreno hasn't exactly been dynamic and injury free either.

It would be nice to have RB's that don't have that history yet, and you don't have to worry about it.

underrated29
08-01-2010, 01:02 PM
oh shit.


man I feel like i have been kicked in the nuts right now. My fav player, one that I have been pimping hardcore this offseason goes down. Fudge me.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 01:02 PM
VicLombardi

1. Moreno and the Broncos awaiting MRI results. You never know with ACL. That would be a huge loss if it is indeed torn. Hope to keep updating. 5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
2. The Moreno injury I'm told is a possible ACL...possible. Not confirmed. Buckhalter is a minor hamstring. 14 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
3. Most vocal croud I've ever heard here at Dove Valley. Tebow's giving them reason to cheer...putting on a show. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
4. Knowshon Moreno carted off field, lower leg injury, doesn't look too serious. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 01:04 PM
current RBs on roster.



40 Baker, Toney RB ACT 5'10" 225 6/16/1986 0 N C State
35 Ball, Lance RB ACT 5'9" 220 6/19/1985 2 Maryland
28 Buckhalter, Correll RB ACT 6'0" 223 10/6/1978 10 Nebraska
Eckel, Kyle RB RES 5'11" 237 12/30/1981 4 Navy
29 Hall, Bruce RB ACT 5'11" 205 3/18/1985 1 Mississippi
27 Moreno, Knowshon RB ACT 5'11" 210 7/16/1987 2 Georgia
42 Smith, Kolby RB ACT 5'11" 219 12/15/1984 4 Louisville

nevcraw
08-01-2010, 01:05 PM
VicLombardi

1. Moreno and the Broncos awaiting MRI results. You never know with ACL. That would be a huge loss if it is indeed torn. Hope to keep updating. 5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
2. The Moreno injury I'm told is a possible ACL...possible. Not confirmed. Buckhalter is a minor hamstring. 14 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
3. Most vocal croud I've ever heard here at Dove Valley. Tebow's giving them reason to cheer...putting on a show. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
4. Knowshon Moreno carted off field, lower leg injury, doesn't look too serious. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Carted off field and not serious... umm ok. Doctor vic should stick to reporting the facts..

underrated29
08-01-2010, 01:05 PM
VicLombardi

1. Moreno and the Broncos awaiting MRI results. You never know with ACL. That would be a huge loss if it is indeed torn. Hope to keep updating. 5 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
2. The Moreno injury I'm told is a possible ACL...possible. Not confirmed. Buckhalter is a minor hamstring. 14 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
3. Most vocal croud I've ever heard here at Dove Valley. Tebow's giving them reason to cheer...putting on a show. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
4. Knowshon Moreno carted off field, lower leg injury, doesn't look too serious. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®




dam I am crossing my fingers....Not an ACL...PLEASE NO ACLs- just a tweak, a little tweak and some rehab...Come on Tebow- Heal My Boy.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 01:23 PM
http://twitter.com/VicLombardi

RT @PostBroncos: An NFL source tells Mike Klis that Moreno suffered a hamstring injury. 4 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 01:29 PM
http://twitter.com/postbroncos

# Moreno's hamstring injury appears "serious," per NFL source. Not great news, but at least not a knee. 1 minute ago via UberTwitter

Northman
08-01-2010, 01:34 PM
Why couldnt we have drafted a guy like Shonn Greene. :(

underrated29
08-01-2010, 01:38 PM
Why couldnt we have drafted a guy like Shonn Greene. :(



Like that would make a difference.



also- despite the better news its a hammy he could still be out for a long long time.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 01:38 PM
Damn. This is some horrible news to hear.

Nows when I wish our #3 Rb has potential.

underrated29
08-01-2010, 01:45 PM
guy at the OM posted something from NFL.com

saying he has a partial hamstring tear- shouldnt be out too long...I am guessing if this is accurate he will be ready for reg season.


*please tebow let this be the case* PLEASE!

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 01:47 PM
Why couldnt we have drafted a guy like Shonn Greene. :(

Talk about kickin em while they're down!

Both of them are way to young to judge anyways, but you could be right.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 01:51 PM
http://twitter.com/postbroncos

# Mike Klis reporting that Correll Buckhalter has already left the hospital. 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck

# Broncos Blog: Moreno to have suffered hamstring injury http://dpo.st/cXis33 5 minutes ago via twitterfeed

# Buckhalter's injury is to his upper back. We're also following up on a report from Fox 31 that Buckhalter is at the hospital w/ leg numbness 7 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Nomad
08-01-2010, 01:54 PM
Why couldnt we have drafted a guy like Shonn Greene. :(

Yeah, I haven't written Moreno off yet, but he does seem a bit fragile! Then again, that seems to be the BRONCOS MO as of last few years! I hope the young man heals fast and contributes to this team.

Tned
08-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Maybe B. Quinn can line up at RB and make us forget all about Moreno, Buckhalter and Hillis in one fell swoop.

Jagsbch
08-01-2010, 02:08 PM
: Fear is a torn hamstring for Moreno? This is not good...

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 02:13 PM
give me a 225+ pound RB any day, most of our issues have been with the lighter scat backs under 215. fragile at best.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 02:17 PM
give me a 225+ pound RB any day, most of our issues have been with the lighter scat backs under 215. fragile at best.

Big backs play a small role in McDaniels offense. We need the average size complete backs.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 02:20 PM
Big backs play a small role in McDaniels offense. We need the average size complete backs.

FWIW NE's Rb's



35 Clayton, Thomas RB ACT 5'11" 220 4/26/1984 2 Kansas State
33 Faulk, Kevin RB ACT 5'8" 202 6/5/1976 12 Louisiana State
42 Green-Ellis, RB ACT 5'11" 215 7/2/1985 3 Mississippi
39 Maroney, Laure RB ACT 5'11" 220 2/5/1985 5 Minnesota
34 Morris, Sammy RB ACT 6'0" 220 3/23/1977 11 Texas Tech
29 Taylor, Chris RB ACT 6'0" 224 11/7/1983 5 Indiana
21 Taylor, Fred RB ACT 6'1" 228 1/27/1976 13 Florida


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Bosco
08-01-2010, 02:21 PM
Knowshon to me, seems like a torn ACL. If he was visually in pain, it's very unlikely to be an ACL. One of the biggest symptoms of an ACL tear is a "pop" and very little to no actual pain.

Edit: Looks like a hamstring. Could've been alot worse.

honz
08-01-2010, 02:22 PM
It's definitely a hammy, we just don't know how bad it is yet.

frauschieze
08-01-2010, 02:23 PM
FWIW NE's Rb's



35 Clayton, Thomas RB ACT 5'11" 220 4/26/1984 2 Kansas State
33 Faulk, Kevin RB ACT 5'8" 202 6/5/1976 12 Louisiana State
42 Green-Ellis, RB ACT 5'11" 215 7/2/1985 3 Mississippi
39 Maroney, Laure RB ACT 5'11" 220 2/5/1985 5 Minnesota
34 Morris, Sammy RB ACT 6'0" 220 3/23/1977 11 Texas Tech
29 Taylor, Chris RB ACT 6'0" 224 11/7/1983 5 Indiana
21 Taylor, Fred RB ACT 6'1" 228 1/27/1976 13 Florida


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FWIW, McDaniels isn't in NE this year. Or last year....

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 02:26 PM
FWIW, McDaniels isn't in NE this year. Or last year....

did you notice when those players started there, it was before he left.

that HE does have a use for larger backs.

I was trying to show that for the most part his comments were misguided at best.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 02:27 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/01/moreno-to-have-suffered-hamstring-injury/4053/

If not a complete exhale, the Broncos may have at least stopped holding their collective breath. The early indication is starting running Knowshon Moreno suffered a severe right hamstring injury, according to an NFL source.

The fear is that Knowshon Moreno may have torn his hamstring.

Although hamstring injuries can vary in severity — and Moreno no doubt popped his pretty good — torn muscles typically heal quicker than ripped up knee ligaments. Remember, there are still 42 days remaining until the Broncos’ first game, sept. 12 at Jacksonville.

Moreno suffered his right leg injury after catching a screen pass and fell in pain after making a cut. He had to be carted off the field and assisted into the locker room.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 02:29 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/01/buckhalter-has-upper-back-pull/4059/

It wasn’t a hamstring but an upper-back pull suffered by Broncos backup running back Correll Buckhalter, according to an NFL source. Buckhalter’s injury is troubling considering his career has been marred by physical setbacks and he didn’t get through the first practice of 2010.

BroncoAV06
08-01-2010, 02:29 PM
The twitter and post are leaning toward hammy and serious.

Just bad luck on the first day of camp.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 02:29 PM
FWIW NE's Rb's



35 Clayton, Thomas RB ACT 5'11" 220 4/26/1984 2 Kansas State
33 Faulk, Kevin RB ACT 5'8" 202 6/5/1976 12 Louisiana State
42 Green-Ellis, RB ACT 5'11" 215 7/2/1985 3 Mississippi
39 Maroney, Laure RB ACT 5'11" 220 2/5/1985 5 Minnesota
34 Morris, Sammy RB ACT 6'0" 220 3/23/1977 11 Texas Tech
29 Taylor, Chris RB ACT 6'0" 224 11/7/1983 5 Indiana
21 Taylor, Fred RB ACT 6'1" 228 1/27/1976 13 Florida


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And the Patriots oldest, best back is little Kevin Faulk.

Hes much more important to thier offense than 1st rounder Maroney.

Complete backs are almost always smaller than traditional backs, and are much more important in both Belichick's and McDaniels offense.

Jagsbch
08-01-2010, 02:30 PM
I am already finding myself glossing over FA RB's

LenDale White
B.J. Askew
Ladell Betts
Justin Fargas
Kevin Jones
DeShawn Wynn

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 02:32 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

# A hammy tear could keep him out anywhere between 1-3 months. In extreme cases, could cost him the season. 32 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

# Regarding Moreno... hamstring "tear" is what I'm hearing. Clearly worse than a pull or straing. Also told Buckhalter should be fine. Minor. 33 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 02:32 PM
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Lonestar
08-01-2010, 02:33 PM
And the Patriots oldest, best back is little Kevin Faulk.

Hes much more important to thier offense than 1st rounder Maroney.

Complete backs are almost always smaller than traditional backs, and are much more important in both Belichick's and McDaniels offense.

and you will note that at 5'8" and 202 he is almost the same build as a 6' 220 pound back.

next?

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 02:35 PM
did you notice when those players started there, it was before he left.

that HE does have a use for larger backs.

I was trying to show that for the most part his comments were misguided at best.

Nobody said McDaniels never uses large backs. I said they played a small role in McDaniels offense, which is true.

honz
08-01-2010, 02:38 PM
It's a JR rampage!

atwater27
08-01-2010, 02:41 PM
Guess we shouldn't have gotten rid of Hillis.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 02:41 PM
*sigh*

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 02:44 PM
give me a 225+ pound RB any day, most of our issues have been with the lighter scat backs under 215. fragile at best.

Makes you wonder why we traded Hillis for Quinn and a 6th huh? Hillis was a battering ram of a RB, very versatile out of the backfield with good hands down field. He was very good until he wasn't really used properly last year. When we needed tough yards he always got them.

If Tebow was in our plans then we really should have left Quinn alone, kept or 6th and Hillis. Then when someone gets injured (like every year) we are ok at the position.

I don't know why Hillis was ever in McDaniels dog house. He had a couple of fumbles but that's about it.

honz
08-01-2010, 02:45 PM
guess we shouldn't have gotten rid of hillis.
lol.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 02:45 PM
give me a 225+ pound RB any day, most of our issues have been with the lighter scat backs under 215. fragile at best.


and you will note that at 5'8" and 202 he is almost the same build as a 6' 220 pound back.

next?

These comments make a lot of sense together :confused:

So instead of saying you want a 225+ Rb so they wont get injured, say you want a Rb built like a 225+ Rb. Whatever that means....

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 02:46 PM
Makes you wonder why we traded Hillis for Quinn and a 6th huh? Hillis was a battering ram of a RB, very versatile out of the backfield with good hands down field. He was very good until he wasn't really used properly last year. When we needed tough yards he always got them.

If Tebow was in our plans then we really should have left Quinn alone, kept or 6th and Hillis. Then when someone gets injured (like every year) we are ok at the position.

I don't know why Hillis was ever in McDaniels dog house. He had a couple of fumbles but that's about it.

Psh. Hillis was fragile. Didn't fit the mold. You see how he paperdolled on that tiny hit? Hurt his hamstring on a whiff.... psh.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I am already finding myself glossing over FA RB's

LenDale White
B.J. Askew
Ladell Betts
Justin Fargas
Kevin Jones
DeShawn Wynn

I don't really like any of those. Maybe Fargas but I really hope to God we sign Brian Westbrook. If Westbrook can stay concusion free then I think we could have a top 5 rushing game with him and a healthy Bucky back together again.



http://twitter.com/viclombardi

# A hammy tear could keep him out anywhere between 1-3 months. In extreme cases, could cost him the season. 32 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

# Regarding Moreno... hamstring "tear" is what I'm hearing. Clearly worse than a pull or straing. Also told Buckhalter should be fine. Minor. 33 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

I was thinking it was an ACL but at least a torn hammy he has a chance to be back in week 2 or 3 of the regular season.

getlynched47
08-01-2010, 02:52 PM
karma is a bitch!!!


The moment we trade our injured runningback, our top 2 runningbacks go down with injuries.

I would not be the least bit surprised if we brought in Brian Westbrook now.

I hope Knowshon Moreno's injury is minor :( He was poised for a breakout year.



Gosh dammit! This was not the news I was hoping to read when I hopped onto the internet today.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 02:54 PM
Psh. Hillis was fragile. Didn't fit the mold. You see how he paperdolled on that tiny hit? Hurt his hamstring on a whiff.... psh.

Huh?






Oh you must be talking about 2 years ago when he was in beast mode that game came down akward on his leg? Anyone would have got injured on that play. Even Chuck Norris.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Huh?






Oh you must be talking about 2 years ago when he was in beast mode that game came down akward on his leg? Anyone would have got injured on that play. Even Chuck Norris.

Sorry. I deal with anger through sarcasm.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 02:56 PM
Ladell Betts
Chris Brown
Justin Fargas
Ahman Green
LaMont Jordan
Jamal Lewis
Adrian Peterson
Gary Russell
Aaron Stecker
Brian Westbrook :beer:
DeShawn Wynn

ESPN's List.

Day1BroncoFan
08-01-2010, 02:57 PM
Well, crap!!! Don't want to hear this.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 02:58 PM
Ladell Betts
Chris Brown
Justin Fargas
Ahman Green
LaMont Jordan
Jamal Lewis
Adrian Peterson
Gary Russell
Aaron Stecker
Brian Westbrook :beer:
DeShawn Wynn

ESPN's List.

Sign em all.

Except Jordan.

And Lewis.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 02:58 PM
Psh. Hillis was fragile. Didn't fit the mold. You see how he paperdolled on that tiny hit? Hurt his hamstring on a whiff.... psh.

He didnt fit the complete back bill. Even though most every Broncos fan thinks so....

Its those few intoxicating catches.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 02:59 PM
Ladell Betts
Chris Brown
Justin Fargas
Ahman Green
LaMont Jordan
Jamal Lewis
Adrian Peterson
Gary Russell
Aaron Stecker
Brian Westbrook :beer:
DeShawn Wynn

ESPN's List.

I forgot about Jamal Lewis. I have a feeling McDaniels will be a douche bag and sign LaMont Jordan because he knows our system a bit.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-01-2010, 03:00 PM
Shit... Get well soon Knowshon, we're really going to need you this season.

I'd be all over Lunch-pail White right now. I'd also be on the phone with Brian Westbrook. Lunch pail was reportedly in the best shape of his career. Maybe we can "motivate" him to work hard at the thought of being the starter. He doesn't get hurt and he runs like a bull. Just thinking out loud...

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 03:01 PM
He didnt fit the complete back bill. Even though most every Broncos fan thinks so....

Its those few intoxicating catches.

Or the fact that two separate coaching staffs praised him as possibly the best hands on the team.

We were so blind.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 03:03 PM
Makes you wonder why we traded Hillis for Quinn and a 6th huh? Hillis was a battering ram of a RB, very versatile out of the backfield with good hands down field. He was very good until he wasn't really used properly last year. When we needed tough yards he always got them.

If Tebow was in our plans then we really should have left Quinn alone, kept or 6th and Hillis. Then when someone gets injured (like every year) we are ok at the position.

I don't know why Hillis was ever in McDaniels dog house. He had a couple of fumbles but that's about it.

there are many reasons tht we got rid of hillis. many of which we will never know.

Yes I loved the guy but I would have most likely made the same decision to move him for Quinn.

As for if Tebow was on the radar why did we make the trade. until he was signed or at least drafted we had to have a backup QB for Orton and his replacement WHEN he becomes an UFA next year.

DO you really want to have a rookie QB as your backup QB? come on think about that .

We got Quinn so cheap it is scary and now have a veteran Back up for Tebow Next year IF he is ready and if not a starter.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 03:03 PM
Sign em all.

Except Jordan.

And Lewis.

I really hate them all except Westbrook. Infact I despise every other one...

silkamilkamonico
08-01-2010, 03:05 PM
Westbrook is a walking injury waiting to happen. No thanks, we already have 2 of those on the roster.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 03:06 PM
I have a feeling Shanny will cut Larry Johnson or Ryan Torain.

GEM
08-01-2010, 03:06 PM
I forgot about Jamal Lewis. I have a feeling McDaniels will be a douche bag and sign LaMont Jordan because he knows our system a bit.

If he signs that accident waiting to happen over Westbrook, I'm gonna go put him in a doghouse worse than Shanny's. I think I'd rather go out to my back yard, walk over to the metal rake, step on the end and slap one of the metal rods into my own eye than watch Jordan in blue and orange again.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 03:07 PM
there are many reasons tht we got rid of hillis. many of which we will never know.

Yes I loved the guy but I would have most likely made the same decision to move him for Quinn.

As for if Tebow was on the radar why did we make the trade. until he was signed or at least drafted we had to have a backup QB for Orton and his replacement WHEN he becomes an UFA next year.

DO you really want to have a rookie QB as your backup QB? come on think about that .

We got Quinn so cheap it is scary and now have a veteran Back up for Tebow Next year IF he is ready and if not a starter.

If my 1st round pick wasnt even a backup, Id fire my scouts and skin them alive.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Nobody said McDaniels never uses large backs. I said they played a small role in McDaniels offense, which is true.

the passing game is what fuels Joshes offense and in a sense you are correct. but his feature back last year was a smallish back for the most part.

in NE the go to back was faulk that guy that played like he was 220+

the year before we had IIRC 6 scat backs go down with grion or hamstrings. must be the altititude.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 03:09 PM
Or the fact that two separate coaching staffs praised him as possibly the best hands on the team.

We were so blind.

IIRC mikey used to say he had the softest hands that he had ever seen.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 03:10 PM
If my 1st round pick wasnt even a backup, Id fire my scouts and skin them alive.

glad to know your not making decisions for us.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 03:11 PM
IIRC mikey used to say he had the softest hands that he had ever seen.

And in his short time here, that seemed to be plausible. It's a shame it didn't work out, but I won't hold it against McDaniels for making the move he did.

Doesn't mean I don't wish we still had him though.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 03:11 PM
there are many reasons tht we got rid of hillis. many of which we will never know.

Yes I loved the guy but I would have most likely made the same decision to move him for Quinn.

As for if Tebow was on the radar why did we make the trade. until he was signed or at least drafted we had to have a backup QB for Orton and his replacement WHEN he becomes an UFA next year.

DO you really want to have a rookie QB as your backup QB? come on think about that .

We got Quinn so cheap it is scary and now have a veteran Back up for Tebow Next year IF he is ready and if not a starter.

Ummmm, yes I do. In fact I fully expect him to start over noodle arm if he plays average. When you draft a QB in the first that doesn't mean a team thinks he will be a backup for long. Especially when you trade up to get him. We sold the ranch for Tebow and now we have to put him on the field.

I'll bet you Tebow sees the field way more than Quinn this year. In fact....he will play week 1 against Jacksonville.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 03:16 PM
If he signs that accident waiting to happen over Westbrook, I'm gonna go put him in a doghouse worse than Shanny's. I think I'd rather go out to my back yard, walk over to the metal rake, step on the end and slap one of the metal rods into my own eye than watch Jordan in blue and orange again.

Your boobs would block the rake. It would just bounce back. :D

Bless you Gem. Please post all you want.

Tempus Fugit
08-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Nobody said McDaniels never uses large backs. I said they played a small role in McDaniels offense, which is true.

The McDaniels system calls for a "large" back on most obvious running downs and a 3rd down back on most obvious passing downs. It's been that way since he became the de facto D.C. in 2005, although 2005 didn't break down that way on the field for the entire season because Faulk missed 8 games.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 03:21 PM
the passing game is what fuels Joshes offense and in a sense you are correct. but his feature back last year was a smallish back for the most part.

in NE the go to back was faulk that guy that played like he was 220+

the year before we had IIRC 6 scat backs go down with grion or hamstrings. must be the altititude.

When you say, we need Rbs 225+, the Broncos only have 1 slot for that guy, if any. 2 complete Rbs will top Mcdaniels peacking order, with one big short-yardage back to push the pile once and a while (traditionally).

If we do pick up a Rb, he will not be like "lets spark dat blunt" Lendale White. He would almost certainly be like Westbrook. He would need to run, block, and catch to fill Knowshons shoes. Something big backs have a harder time doing. Now there are big complete backs (Jackson), they're just very rare.

underrated29
08-01-2010, 03:23 PM
I would rather trade for Marshawn Lynch then sign any of those chumps.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 03:24 PM
When you say, we need Rbs 225+, the Broncos only have 1 slot for that guy, if any. 2 complete Rbs will top Mcdaniels peacking order, with one big short-yardage back to push the pile once and a while (traditionally).

If we do pick up a Rb, he will not be like "lets spark dat blunt" Lendale White. He would almost certainly be like Westbrook. He would need to run, block, and catch to fill Knowshons shoes. Something big backs have a harder time doing. Now there are big complete backs (Jackson), they're just very rare.

this was my post about 225+ RB not once have I said that is all I would take.


give me a 225+ pound RB any day, most of our issues have been with the lighter scat backs under 215. fragile at best.



RIF.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 03:25 PM
Good news. Brandon Krisztal of BKdenversports just tweeted "I just talked to a source close to Knowshon Moreno who said the #Broncos running back did not tear his hamstring." Not sure how accurate he is though

I'm stealing this for you all.

Cross your fingers.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 03:28 PM
glad to know your not making decisions for us.

If you draft a player in the first round, he should be able to contrbute significantly right away. Teams do not draft players in the first round to be backups. And to not even be a backup means you simply screwed up.

Same goes with Tebow. If he is not the backup this year, Id think the FO would be pissed.

Northman
08-01-2010, 03:29 PM
Talk about kickin em while they're down!

Both of them are way to young to judge anyways, but you could be right.

Ive never been a huge Moreno fan so im not totally shocked by this.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 03:30 PM
I'm stealing this for you all.

Cross your fingers.

Wow....that would be huge!

If it's a tear I think he would battle it all year.

If it's a bad pull then I think at least he would be ready for regular season.

Please let this be true.

Italianmobstr7
08-01-2010, 03:32 PM
@bkdenversports : I just talked to a source close to Knowshon Moreno who said the #Broncos running back did not tear his hamstring...

Hoping this is true! If so, thank God!

Italianmobstr7
08-01-2010, 03:33 PM
I'm stealing this for you all.

Cross your fingers.

Beat me to it!

underrated29
08-01-2010, 03:34 PM
I'm stealing this for you all.

Cross your fingers.



I want to make sweet sweet love you to LT...


Please be true!

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 03:35 PM
this was my post about 225+ RB not once have I said that is all I would take.





RIF.

No its just what you said you wanted...
:lol:

Its all good.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 03:36 PM
Wow....that would be huge!

If it's a tear I think he would battle it all year.

If it's a bad pull then I think at least he would be ready for regular season.

Please let this be true.

Yeah... he wouldn't be right this season even if he could come back.

Missing his entire second season would be a huge blow...

As it is, he still is going to have to worry about not re-injuring it, and I hope it doesn't slow him or his progress down.

This just is not great news no matter how you slice it... but this would be the best case scenario at this point.

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 03:43 PM
Yeah... he wouldn't be right this season even if he could come back.

Missing his entire second season would be a huge blow...

As it is, he still is going to have to worry about not re-injuring it, and I hope it doesn't slow him or his progress down.

This just is not great news no matter how you slice it... but this would be the best case scenario at this point.

And there would be no benifit by rushing him back on the field. He needs to rest and go through therapy until it's 100% healed. At least the other backs will get alot of rotations and we will be able to see what they can do in preseason.

Kolby Smith I think might do well.

dogfish
08-01-2010, 03:43 PM
FWIW NE's Rb's



35 Clayton, Thomas RB ACT 5'11" 220 4/26/1984 2 Kansas State
33 Faulk, Kevin RB ACT 5'8" 202 6/5/1976 12 Louisiana State
42 Green-Ellis, RB ACT 5'11" 215 7/2/1985 3 Mississippi
39 Maroney, Laure RB ACT 5'11" 220 2/5/1985 5 Minnesota
34 Morris, Sammy RB ACT 6'0" 220 3/23/1977 11 Texas Tech
29 Taylor, Chris RB ACT 6'0" 224 11/7/1983 5 Indiana
21 Taylor, Fred RB ACT 6'1" 228 1/27/1976 13 Florida


next


The McDaniels system calls for a "large" back on most obvious running downs and a 3rd down back on most obvious passing downs. It's been that way since he became the de facto D.C. in 2005, although 2005 didn't break down that way on the field for the entire season because Faulk missed 8 games.

wait. . . if McD is so hung up on having bigger backs, can one of you explain to me why he spent the #12 overall pick on a guy who's 5'11" 210??


anyone? buehler?

:noidea:


i'm 100% certain it wasn't just to be our 3rd down back on obvious passing downs, especially since the guy got about 270 touches last year. . . .

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 03:44 PM
Yeah... he wouldn't be right this season even if he could come back.

Missing his entire second season would be a huge blow...

As it is, he still is going to have to worry about not re-injuring it, and I hope it doesn't slow him or his progress down.

This just is not great news no matter how you slice it... but this would be the best case scenario at this point.

If it's a mild tear he might be able to play through it but they also have to consider whether or not if playing could worsen the injury.

silkamilkamonico
08-01-2010, 03:46 PM
Ive never been a huge Moreno fan so im not totally shocked by this.

I'm right with you on that, and with an attempt to look at a positive bright side, if Moreno has to miss an extended period of time maybe McDaniels reevaluates the RB position and goes for a much higher fresher talent next year to fit in with the RB committee.

I would have personally loved Jahvid Best in the draft, but he did go higher than I would have drafted him.

underrated29
08-01-2010, 03:48 PM
another tweet from bkdenver saying it is Not a tear!

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 03:49 PM
wait. . . if McD is so hung up on having bigger backs, can one of you explain to me why he spent the #12 overall pick on a guy who's 5'11" 210??


anyone? buehler?

:noidea:


i'm 100% certain it wasn't just to be our 3rd down back on obvious passing downs, especially since the guy got about 270 touches last year. . . .

McDaniels is not concerned with big backs. They play a small role.

Bosco
08-01-2010, 03:55 PM
wait. . . if McD is so hung up on having bigger backs, can one of you explain to me why he spent the #12 overall pick on a guy who's 5'11" 210??


anyone? buehler?

:noidea:


i'm 100% certain it wasn't just to be our 3rd down back on obvious passing downs, especially since the guy got about 270 touches last year. . . .

5'11 210 is a good sized back. It's what Terrell Davis was listed at as well.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 03:57 PM
5'11 210 is a good sized back. It's what Terrell Davis was listed at as well.

Yeah, but he was injury prone... so why bother?

Bosco
08-01-2010, 03:58 PM
McDaniels is not concerned with big backs. They play a small role.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. McD likes versatile backs who can be used in all facets of the game (power running, outside running, receiving, pass blocking) and those guys are usually about average sized backs.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 03:58 PM
Josina just tweeted the same thing I guess.... take that how you will.

honz
08-01-2010, 04:02 PM
Good news, considering the other possibilities.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 04:05 PM
I guess they directly said that an MRI was negative... so at least we're not just going off of sources close to the situation anymore. I don't think.

underrated29
08-01-2010, 04:07 PM
WooooHOOOOOOO!!!


Damn I love that Tebow pick more and more. The man strait up fixes tears and pulls with his holy stare out of his eyes.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 04:08 PM
5'11 210 is a good sized back. It's what Terrell Davis was listed at as well.

Its a good size, but not a big back by any strech.

To me, Rbs 225+ are big backs. And I only see one role for that back in McDaniels offense - short yardage back. Not 3rd down back like some say because, what big Rbs are strong short yardage backs and strong recieving threats? You usually can have one and not the other. And in McDaniels offense, by adding a complete Rb at #12 overall, shows how much he values Rbs who can recieve. Its a big part of McDaniels spread system. Thats why the Broncos will never have more than one big back, and he'll almost always be the #3 Rb.

Sign Westbrook.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 04:14 PM
I wouldn't totally agree with that. McD likes versatile backs who can be used in all facets of the game (power running, outside running, receiving, pass blocking) and those guys are usually about average sized backs.

huh...do you agree or not?


Your right, McDaniels likes average sized backs because they tend to be more versatile. He uses them much more than big backs. That would mean big backs play a smaller role on the Broncos. Which is exaclty what Ive been saying.

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 04:16 PM
another tweet from bkdenver saying it is Not a tear!

That's a relief. Hopefully he doesn't miss to much time.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 04:17 PM
This is all good news considering it could have been much, much worse.

I really hope its not a nagging injury all season long.

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 04:19 PM
This is all good news considering it could have been much, much worse.

I really hope its not a nagging injury all season long.

Considering it's a hamstring it very well could be a nagging injury all season long. Hopefully that wont be the case.

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 04:24 PM
If you draft a player in the first round, he should be able to contrbute significantly right away. Teams do not draft players in the first round to be backups. And to not even be a backup means you simply screwed up.

Same goes with Tebow. If he is not the backup this year, Id think the FO would be pissed.



I'll trust Josh and Xman for the drafting player personnel and coaching if you do not mind.

Everyone KNEW that Tebow was going to be a 1-3 year project when they drafted him.

Did you not get the memo?

Glad you do not make those decisions for our club.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 04:27 PM
I'll trust Josh and Xman for the drafting player personnel and coaching if you do not mind.

Everyone KNEW that Tebow was going to be a 1-3 year project when they drafted him.

Did you not get the memo?

Glad you do not make those decisions for our club.

There are certain positions that you draft a player, knowing it will take time to develop them into a good starter.

Sometimes, QBs get thrown in even though everyone knows they will take time.

Funny how you never see people arguing that it's best for a CB rookie to learn by getting burned a few times... :laugh:

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 04:34 PM
There are certain positions that you draft a player, knowing it will take time to develop them into a good starter.

Sometimes, QBs get thrown in even though everyone knows they will take time.

Funny how you never see people arguing that it's best for a CB rookie to learn by getting burned a few times... :laugh:

While I would love for him to be ready tomorrow as noted in PN's thread he is going to take time to be ready as well as get comfortable with the scheme and SPEED of the game.

CB have to do only one thing cover their guy and play a little run support (if your LB are fubars).

Qb's well they have to know the entire offense where each players is supposed to be at any given moment while on the field as well as what to look for as coverage is concerned.

Like I said I'm glad he is not our HC or GM.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 04:39 PM
While I would love for him to be ready tomorrow as noted in PN's thread he is going to take time to be ready as well as get comfortable with the scheme and SPEED of the game.

CB have to do only one thing cover their guy and play a little run support (if your LB are fubars).

Qb's well they have to know the entire offense where each players is supposed to be at any given moment while on the field as well as what to look for as coverage is concerned.

Like I said I'm glad he is not our HC or GM.

My point was just that they are both positions that it is pretty well accepted that rookies will struggle. I just find it funny that people are more willing to put up with the struggles from a QB... which is arguably harder to figure out as a rook.

Jagsbch
08-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Considering it's a hamstring it very well could be a nagging injury all season long. Hopefully that wont be the case.

That's the thing this could be one of those ball and chains Moreno has to carry around, and it could seriously impact his game as he has the injury in the back of his mind with every step he takes.

I am getting flashbacks of Fred Taylor That Player was too sexy for his body he had the speed of deon Sanders and the moves of Barry sanders that combination constantly had him ripping one part of his body after another...

He for a while figured out to just not go all out and that mde him more durable but much less sexy. This I fear could enter into the mind of Moreno.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 04:56 PM
I'll trust Josh and Xman for the drafting player personnel and coaching if you do not mind.

Everyone KNEW that Tebow was going to be a 1-3 year project when they drafted him.

Did you not get the memo?

Glad you do not make those decisions for our club.

And you think you know the plans this year for Tebow?

If by memo, you mean your little sports illustrated for kids articles you get in the mail, then no. I stopped reading that when I was eight.

Listen, you think Tebows a project. A lot of respected anaylists think Tebows a project as well. But do you know for a fact that McDaniels thinks Tebows a project? Really doubt it. In McDaniels mind Tebow might be further along than you, or anyone expects. Hell, he wasnt supposed to be drafted in the first round according your little "memos". :coffee:

To me, 1st round picks have tremendously high expectations immediatly. Teams dont draft players in the first round to sit on the bench unless there is a proven vetern ahead of him. And for that 1st rounder to get beat out as the backup :mad: Shit, that would be even worse! I mean, if you draft a player in the first and he cant even be a backup, why the hell did you draft him in the first? That would be the worst pick since Jarvis Moss...

Jrwiz, you assume in McDaniels mind Tebows a project. Unless hes publically stated that, we dont know. We do know hes a bonified 1st round pick though.

So damn right I want a rookie as the Broncos backup QB. 1st rounder Tim Tebow better be.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 05:00 PM
http://twitter.com/josinaanderson

Fox 31Alert: NFL source tells Fox31 Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn. about 1 hour ago via Swift

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 05:04 PM
There are certain positions that you draft a player, knowing it will take time to develop them into a good starter.

Sometimes, QBs get thrown in even though everyone knows they will take time.

Funny how you never see people arguing that it's best for a CB rookie to learn by getting burned a few times... :laugh:

Right. But if you draft a player in the first round and he isnt even a backup, you simply failed. Theres no other way around it.

Players need time to develope, but you dont draft a player in the first who has tons of holes in his game.

Elevation inc
08-01-2010, 05:10 PM
meh its a hamstring pull for moreno....pup him till week 1 and sign a back for camp.....tater would be my call....on the flip side Mike bell got carted off in philly so now Arrington might be safe there...KARMA???? LoL

Bucky's isnt serious eitehr so have him carry the load in week 1....Apprently Ball, Hall, Smith and baker look pretty good...so we may actually be better than some realize...at least its not really time for panic mode yet.....

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 05:11 PM
And you think you know the plans this year for Tebow?

If by memo, you mean your little sports illustrated for kids articles you get in the mail, then no. I stopped reading that when I was eight.

Listen, you think Tebows a project. A lot of respected anaylists think Tebows a project as well. But do you know for a fact that McDaniels thinks Tebows a project? Really doubt it. In McDaniels mind Tebow might be further along than you, or anyone expects. Hell, he wasnt supposed to be drafted in the first round according your little "memos". :coffee:

To me, 1st round picks have tremendously high expectations immediatly. Teams dont draft players in the first round to sit on the bench unless there is a proven vetern ahead of him. And for that 1st rounder to get beat out as the backup :mad: Shit, that would be even worse! I mean, if you draft a player in the first and he cant even be a backup, why the hell did you draft him in the first? That would be the worst pick since Jarvis Moss...

Jrwiz, you assume in McDaniels mind Tebows a project. Unless hes publically stated that, we dont know. We do know hes a bonified 1st round pick though.

So damn right I want a rookie as the Broncos backup QB. 1st rounder Tim Tebow better be.

well good for you.

FWIW I saw the very first game ever played by them in old Bears stadium. before that I attended practices watching from behind the fences up on about 62 st off I-25.

Please do not tell me about my broncos as I suspect I was watching them before you were a twinkle in your daddies eye.

As for assuming, we all know what that means at least I do.

As I said I will trust Josh and Xman to do the right thing and I suspect that will be Tebow as #3 until he has it figured out or the other two are injured. Until then show a tad of respect for folks that have been around awhile.

PS last post to you about this so don't expect one.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Right. But if you draft a player in the first round and he isnt even a backup, you simply failed. Theres no other way around it.

Players need time to develope, but you dont draft a player in the first who has tons of holes in his game.

Well, we're going to have to just disagree here.

Not often do you have the luxury of having two decent players in line ahead of a rookie QB.

Drafting Tebow may have been a failure... but I'm not going to base that on whether or not he's the #2 this year, behind two vets who have years more NFL experience than him.

If Tebow is the #3 this year and then starts tearing up the league the following year or the year after that, is it still going to be a failure in your mind?

NOTHING that happens this year will define ANY draft pick from THIS year as a failure, unless it's something monumental, like it turns out we accidentally drafted a running back that was already in a wheelchair. (although you could make the Mcgahee argument, I just realized. lol)

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 05:13 PM
meh its a hamstring pull for moreno....pup him till week 1 and sign a back for camp.....tater would be my call....on the flip side Mike bell got carted off in philly so now Arrington might be safe there...KARMA???? LoL

Bucky's isnt serious eitehr so have him carry the load in week 1....Apprently Ball, Hall, Smith and baker look pretty good...so we may actually be better than some realize...at least its not really time for panic mode yet.....

think it is past PUP time IIRC that has to be done before TC starts.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 05:46 PM
well good for you.

FWIW I saw the very first game ever played by them in old Bears stadium. before that I attended practices watching from behind the fences up on about 62 st off I-25.

Please do not tell me about my broncos as I suspect I was watching them before you were a twinkle in your daddies eye.

As for assuming, we all know what that means at least I do.

As I said I will trust Josh and Xman to do the right thing and I suspect that will be Tebow as #3 until he has it figured out or the other two are injured. Until then show a tad of respect for folks that have been around awhile.

PS last post to you about this so don't expect one.

I get pushed, I push back.

If you cant handle others being condesending in their post to you, Id suggest you stop being a smart ass in the first place (next?). C'mon, your not the only one who can throw blows....

Oh your old? Great. Maybe thats why your so stubborn on this issue. Id think with your wealth of experience watching 1st rounders slated to start or at least be backups, you would realize a 1st rounder not even becoming a backup would mean failure. Guess not.

One thing I dont have to assume is that, you dont know if McDaniels thinks Tebows a project. You are assuming, based on the lips of NFL anaylists, that Tebow is somehow delegated to the #3. Thats flat out wrong. Again, even though you failed to answer any of my questions in the last post, Do you know if McDaniels thinks Tebow is a project? Well, since you didnt answer it before, and are not responding to this post, Ill take it as a no. You cant backup your very one statement....

As for the respect thing, it goes both ways. :salute: I have respect for everyone on here, but I will call you out when your wrong.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 06:04 PM
Well, we're going to have to just disagree here.

Not often do you have the luxury of having two decent players in line ahead of a rookie QB.

Drafting Tebow may have been a failure... but I'm not going to base that on whether or not he's the #2 this year, behind two vets who have years more NFL experience than him.

If Tebow is the #3 this year and then starts tearing up the league the following year or the year after that, is it still going to be a failure in your mind?

NOTHING that happens this year will define ANY draft pick from THIS year as a failure, unless it's something monumental, like it turns out we accidentally drafted a running back that was already in a wheelchair. (although you could make the Mcgahee argument, I just realized. lol)

What makes Brady Quinn decent? Experience does not make a player decent. And its not like hes even played a full season either....

I would agree with you if Quinn was a proven veteren, but hes simply not. Hes a player who has struggled his first 3 years to even play and struggles when he gets on the field. He has more to prove than Tebow does...

Tebow should be ahead of another first round pick who is on the verge of being a bust.

So I believe if you draft a player in the first and hes not even a backup right off the bat, unless two proven veterns start above them, its intially a failure because no team wants that. If he pans out later is not what we are talking about. Im just talking about 1st rounders rookie years.

Tebow has got to start over Quinn, and in my mind, the front office has got to think so too.

dogfish
08-01-2010, 06:10 PM
5'11 210 is a good sized back. It's what Terrell Davis was listed at as well.

i understand that-- i was just responding to the suggestion that mcdaniels wants/prefers a "bigger" (AKA 225+) back for primary ballcarrier duties. . . which clearly isn't true. . .

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 06:12 PM
What makes Brady Quinn decent? Experience does not make a player decent. And its not like hes even played a full season either....

I would agree with you if Quinn was a proven veteren, but hes simply not. Hes a player who has struggled his first 3 years to even play and struggles when he gets on the field. He has more to prove than Tebow does...

Tebow should be ahead of another first round pick who is on the verge of being a bust.

So I believe if you draft a player in the first and hes not even a backup right off the bat, unless two proven veterns start above them, its intially a failure because no team wants that. If he pans out later is not what we are talking about. Im just talking about 1st rounders rookie years.

Tebow has got to start over Quinn, and in my mind, the front office has got to think so too.

Experience>No experience.

I just happen to think that the best person to play should be the one starting.

I don't think a player is a bust based on their rookie season, and whether or not they are a bust defines whether or not drafting them was a failure.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 06:18 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

RT @thegarymiller: Broncos not sure yet about the severity of Moreno hammy but they don't it's season threatening. about 1 hour ago via web

SR
08-01-2010, 06:21 PM
I think we need to go after Fargas. IMO, he's the best RB available right now and every time I saw him play for the Raiders he ran his ass off and popped right up.

Tned
08-01-2010, 06:21 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

RT @thegarymiller: Broncos not sure yet about the severity of Moreno hammy but they don't it's season threatening. about 1 hour ago via web

Thanks. I sort of forgot that this was a thread about Moreno. ;)

dogfish
08-01-2010, 06:23 PM
good to hear that it's not a tear, at least-- let alone a knee injury. . . still far from what we were hoping for the first day of camp, but it's still dodging a major bullet compared to something season ending. . .

after watching him plod through last year, and given the tendency of hamstring problems to become recurring, i really hope they give him the super kid gloves treatment on his recovery. . . if we want to have any chance to compete for the playoffs this year, we really need him to be a spark plug and featured producer for the O this year. . .

bring in another body if you need one for camp-- worst case scenario, it doesn't cost all that much and there's now a guy out there that knows your scheme if you need him later. . . assuming he doesn't get picked up somewhere else, of course. . . without knowing much about knowshon's condition i'm guessing we'll probably just go forward with the guys we have for the moment. . .

buckhalter and kolby smith would be an adequate if uninspiring duo to start the season if moreno's not quite ready, and it seems like toney baker is a kid who has some ability. . .

i hope they're willing to roll with those guys for as long as it takes to let moreno come all the way back before trying to get him out there, even if it does mean we start the season without him. . .

dogfish
08-01-2010, 06:33 PM
I think we need to go after Fargas. IMO, he's the best RB available right now and every time I saw him play for the Raiders he ran his ass off and popped right up.

IF it comes down to adding another veteran back (which i'm not sure if it will, read my last post), he'd probably be my first choice. . . he does run hard, he's a grinder-- not very dynamic, but he can help you move the chains and play physical ball. . . solid pass protector also, i believe. . .

the only issue with fargas is that he's not much of a receiver, which makes him less than a perfect fit for this scheme. . . luckily buck's solid in that area, so we could move him to more of a 3rd down role and let fargas and smith split up most of the carries. . .

but i can also see a scenario where they'd decide to sign westbrook after all, if mcD wants another guy who can catch the ball out of the backfield. . . since kolby smith is fairly similar player to fargas, they might want a guy with a different skill set. . .

IF this proves to be worse than we think, or there's some kind of setback, the other guy who's out there is marshawn lynch. . . they've got a logjam at RB, just spent a top-10 pick on spiller, and it was reported a number of times after the draft that they might be willing to move lynch for a reasonable price. . .

dude is a dumb knucklehead, but he's a pretty damn good back when he's right. . . if we find ourselves hard-up at the position, i'd bring him in at the right price knowing there's only a year or two left on his contract. . . he runs hard, has some quickness, and has the type of versatility mcD loves. . . and our RB coach was in buffalo last year. . .

i don't see it coming to that, though. . .

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 06:34 PM
Don't knock it Dog... we've got a shortage of dumb knuckleheads now and could use the depth.

Tempus Fugit
08-01-2010, 06:36 PM
wait. . . if McD is so hung up on having bigger backs, can one of you explain to me why he spent the #12 overall pick on a guy who's 5'11" 210??


anyone? buehler?

:noidea:


i'm 100% certain it wasn't just to be our 3rd down back on obvious passing downs, especially since the guy got about 270 touches last year. . . .

I wasn't one giving a set weight, which is why I used quotes when referring to the size, so I'm not going to get into that part. I'm sure that McDaniels felt Moreno was too good to pass up regardless of how he felt about his weight.

Having said that, Both Maroney and Dillon played at 220 or heavier in N.E., and it shouldn't be too surprising if McDaniels tries to get Moreno to bulk up a bit and get close to that 220 mark.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Experience>No experience.

I just happen to think that the best person to play should be the one starting.

I don't think a player is a bust based on their rookie season, and whether or not they are a bust defines whether or not drafting them was a failure.

So experience makes you decent? No way. Not in itself.

Experience does not make Quinn a better backup than Tebow. Quinns experience thus far has not been that of a 1st rounder, much less a 2nd, 3rd....

Tebow has the luxury of a clean 1st round slate, and by defualt has the best chance of playing at the level of where he is drafted.

The deck is stacked in favor of Tebow, and like you said, eventually the best player will start. And right now, today, unless Quinn steps his game up to his draft staus, Tebow has got to start over him or it would be a failure on Tebows part and/or the FO. Im not saying anything about him being a bust, just that he wouldnt have deserved the 1st round pick status.

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 06:53 PM
I think we need to go after Fargas. IMO, he's the best RB available right now and every time I saw him play for the Raiders he ran his ass off and popped right up.

He is a very tuff runner. Im just not sure about his recieving abilities.

If Moreno is out for a period of time this season, McDaniels would pick up a more complete back. Fagass just isnt one.

underrated29
08-01-2010, 07:12 PM
Starting tebow ahead of quinn just because he was a first round draft pick is monumentally stupid. The best player plays. The next best player backs up the starter.....

Right now, tebow is NOT ahead of Quinn. Both are first rounders, but quinn has played in the NFL before, and also played in a similiar scheme. He does not need to tweak his mechanics as much and that is why quinn is ahead of him.

Like you I want tebow to outplay quinn and eventually be the starter, but right now it is not wise. Plus being a backup to orton or quinn is really moot as backing up either will not give him a whole lot of playing time. His time willl be when we see him for plays regarding his skills. BUt not as a full time starter. I hope so, but right now he is not ready for that.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 07:13 PM
So experience makes you decent? No way. Not in itself.

Experience does not make Quinn a better backup than Tebow. Quinns experience thus far has not been that of a 1st rounder, much less a 2nd, 3rd....

Tebow has the luxury of a clean 1st round slate, and by defualt has the best chance of playing at the level of where he is drafted.

The deck is stacked in favor of Tebow, and like you said, eventually the best player will start. And right now, today, unless Quinn steps his game up to his draft staus, Tebow has got to start over him or it would be a failure on Tebows part and/or the FO. Im not saying anything about him being a bust, just that he wouldnt have deserved the 1st round pick status.

lol...

I'd take experience over just draft slot... which seems to be your argument.

Experience by itself does not make you decent. No. It gives Quinn an advantage in preparing for this season though... an advantage that makes him likely to be prepared to start in an emergency over Tebow. This is a mixture of experience, having the playbook longer, and having actually faced an NFL defense.

If Tebow is a better QB for us, he'll be placed ahead of Quinn. Quinn has a leg up on Tebow though, because of his experience. The NFL's a new game. Quinn's played it. Tebow hasn't. Just because Quinn failed in Cleveland, doesn't mean he can't show up and better himself.

General reports are that Quinn is playing better than Tebow as of right now. That's not a shock to most people. If he continues... he will continue to be ahead of him on the depth chart.

How someone arrived on the team will not decide whether or not they play. The next several weeks will.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 07:41 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

The news gets better. From what I'm told, Moreno suffered a slight tear - basic strained hammy. 2-3 weeks. Only his hammy really knows. 6 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 07:47 PM
lol...

I'd take experience over just draft slot... which seems to be your argument.

Experience by itself does not make you decent. No. It gives Quinn an advantage in preparing for this season though... an advantage that makes him likely to be prepared to start in an emergency over Tebow. This is a mixture of experience, having the playbook longer, and having actually faced an NFL defense.

If Tebow is a better QB for us, he'll be placed ahead of Quinn. Quinn has a leg up on Tebow though, because of his experience. The NFL's a new game. Quinn's played it. Tebow hasn't. Just because Quinn failed in Cleveland, doesn't mean he can't show up and better himself.

General reports are that Quinn is playing better than Tebow as of right now. That's not a shock to most people. If he continues... he will continue to be ahead of him on the depth chart.

How someone arrived on the team will not decide whether or not they play. The next several weeks will.

I was going to stop..... :D

You have to look at both experience and expectations.

LT, can you ever imagine a 1st overall pick not starting? Of course not, because hes expected to.

Dont undermine the expectations of being labled a 1st rounder. You cant deny the weight being drafted that high holds on the player and FO.

You can say how someone arrived on the team doesnt matter, but how much they are getting paid sure as hell does. 1st rounders make more money. Teams are more inclined to put responsibilty on the players with the bigger wallets. There expected to do more.

Quinns experience doesnt compare to Tebows current 1st round expectations. It just doesnt.

honz
08-01-2010, 08:00 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

The news gets better. From what I'm told, Moreno suffered a slight tear - basic strained hammy. 2-3 weeks. Only his hammy really knows. 6 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Just don't rush him back at all. It could turn into a season long thing if they don't let it heal fully the first time.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 08:11 PM
I was going to stop..... :D

You have to look at both experience and expectations.

LT, can you ever imagine a 1st overall pick not starting? Of course not, because hes expected to.

Dont undermine the expectations of being labled a 1st rounder. You cant deny the weight being drafted that high holds on the player and FO.

You can say how someone arrived on the team doesnt matter, but how much they are getting paid sure as hell does. 1st rounders make more money. Teams are more inclined to put responsibilty on the players with the bigger wallets. There expected to do more.

Quinns experience doesnt compare to Tebows current 1st round expectations. It just doesnt.

You mean can I imagine a first overall pick not starting... like Carson Palmer?

Yeah, I can imagine that.

It's unusual, but not unheard of. Reason is that to be drafting QB in the #1 overall slot... you probably don't have a viable starter in front of them.... let alone maybe two.

Sometimes, yes... there's pressure to start a #1 draft choice. Especially for the #1 overall. A good FO will not succumb to that pressure unless it's for the good of the team though.

And we're not talking about him starting anyway. We're talking about who steps in if something happens to Orton.... way different. It's not like the fans are going to be up in the stands, chanting for Tebow to be holding the larger clipboard.

In the end, one or the other will be the emergency QB... and it's likely that will be Quinn, so as to allow Tebow some special packages. However, if something were to actually happen, expect them to put Quinn in front of Tebow for now.

Oh... and do you remember who held off the #1 overall draft pick? Who started in front of him? It was the amazing Jon Kitna.

Tchoice
08-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Trade for me. Tashard Choice. I have produce everytime i have been given the chance. Look me up on youtube. I wont come cheap.

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 08:22 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

The news gets better. From what I'm told, Moreno suffered a slight tear - basic strained hammy. 2-3 weeks. Only his hammy really knows. 6 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Great job Carol! Thanks for keeping us all up to speed.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 08:24 PM
Trade for me. Tashard Choice. I have produce everytime i have been given the chance. Look me up on youtube. I wont come cheap.

Sweet... on my way there now!

Thanks for the heads up!

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 08:25 PM
You mean can I imagine a first overall pick not starting... like Carson Palmer?

Yeah, I can imagine that.

It's unusual, but not unheard of. Reason is that to be drafting QB in the #1 overall slot... you probably don't have a viable starter in front of them.... let alone maybe two.

Sometimes, yes... there's pressure to start a #1 draft choice. Especially for the #1 overall. A good FO will not succumb to that pressure unless it's for the good of the team though.

And we're not talking about him starting anyway. We're talking about who steps in if something happens to Orton.... way different. It's not like the fans are going to be up in the stands, chanting for Tebow to be holding the larger clipboard.

In the end, one or the other will be the emergency QB... and it's likely that will be Quinn, so as to allow Tebow some special packages. However, if something were to actually happen, expect them to put Quinn in front of Tebow for now.

Oh... and do you remember who held off the #1 overall draft pick? Who started in front of him? It was the amazing Jon Kitna.

Yeah your right. Freakin Kitna. Comback player of da year.....:lol:

I stand corrected on that. And I know what your saying about a good team doesnt let the draft slot detemine anything. But I still think the money does. Either way good example, I walked right into that one.

honz
08-01-2010, 08:25 PM
Trade for me. Tashard Choice. I have produce everytime i have been given the chance. Look me up on youtube. I wont come cheap.
No offense, but I don't think you are anything special, bro.

Jagsbch
08-01-2010, 08:26 PM
What is going on in Denver right now is that the Denver Broncos have started training camp today - not just one player.

:lol:

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 08:27 PM
No offense, but I don't think you are anything special, bro.

And we have a number one pick invested in Moreno why would spend big money Choice?

NorCalBronco7
08-01-2010, 08:29 PM
Trade for me. Tashard Choice. I have produce everytime i have been given the chance. Look me up on youtube. I wont come cheap.

You wont come cheap? Then go to hell.

Tchoice
08-01-2010, 08:29 PM
I have heart, passion, and great vision. Im a better option than Westbrook, or Fargas. Good to hear Moreno seems ok. Im stuck behind two great backs in Big D, but make Jerry an offer he cant refuse and Illcome save the day.

honz
08-01-2010, 08:31 PM
I have heart, passion, and great vision. Im a better option than Westbrook, or Fargas. Good to hear Moreno seems ok. Im stuck behind two great backs in Big D, but make Jerry an offer he cant refuse and Illcome save the day.

Or as some people would say, you aren't very good, dude.

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 08:38 PM
I have heart, passion, and great vision. Im a better option than Westbrook, or Fargas. Good to hear Moreno seems ok. Im stuck behind two great backs in Big D, but make Jerry an offer he cant refuse and Illcome save the day.

We're hurting for running backs even if Moreno were going to be out for the season we would be fine.

BroncoJoe
08-01-2010, 08:39 PM
http://twitter.com/viclombardi

The news gets better. From what I'm told, Moreno suffered a slight tear - basic strained hammy. 2-3 weeks. Only his hammy really knows. 6 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

I can't believe I had to "read" through 11 pages of garbage to get an update.

Thanks, Carol. Guess I'll just hang out on twitter or the Denver Post.com from now on, as opposed to reading 10 pages of what equates to little girls fighting.

LordTrychon
08-01-2010, 08:41 PM
Hey guys! TBell here!

Just wanna let you know that I've been through some rough times in the league, but when given a chance, I've really shined! Just ask Canada!

Give me a call if you need some help with your backfield situation, or to hear what great deals T-Mobile can offer for you or your business!

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 08:43 PM
http://twitter.com/postbroncos

Broncos Blog: Knowshon out 3 weeks; Buckhalter one week http://dpo.st/9jMmOm 1 minute ago via twitterfeed

Nomad
08-01-2010, 08:46 PM
Hey guys! TBell here!

Just wanna let you know that I've been through some rough times in the league, but when given a chance, I've really shined! Just ask Canada!

Give me a call if you need some help with your backfield situation, or to hear what great deals T-Mobile can offer for you or your business!

Surprised there's not a M. Claurett sighting!!:D

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 08:47 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/01/knowshon-out-3-weeks-buckhalter-one-week/4104/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_content=Twitter

Broncos starting running back Knowshon Moreno is expected to be out three weeks after an MRI exam revealed no significant tear to his hamstring, according to an NFL source. Moreno suffered the injury Sunday morning during the Broncos’ first training-camp session.

A few minutes later, Broncos backup running back Correll Buckhalter left the field with an upper back pull. When Buckhalter experienced tingling in his extremeties, he was sent to a local hospital as a precaution but was quickly released after his head, neck, back and spine were checked.

The expectation is the veteran Buckhalter will let the trauma rest for about a week.

All in all, it’s good news for the Broncos as both running backs should be back healthy well before the season opener Sept. 12 in Jacksonville.

Jagsbch
08-01-2010, 08:48 PM
I can't believe I had to "read" through 11 pages of garbage to get an update.

Thanks, Carol. Guess I'll just hang out on twitter or the Denver Post.com from now on, as opposed to reading 10 pages of what equates to little girls fighting.

I imagined them as a bunch of fat girls fighting don't ruin it for me...:D

jhildebrand
08-01-2010, 08:50 PM
Word is Moreno is out for 3 weeks with minor "fraying" of the hamstring.

BroncoWave
08-01-2010, 09:03 PM
Sounds like at least Buckhalter will be ready for Cincy. That's good.

Tempus Fugit
08-01-2010, 09:10 PM
Surprised there's not a M. Claurett sighting!!:D

He's too busy taking classes.

Denver Native (Carol)
08-01-2010, 09:11 PM
Sounds like at least Buckhalter will be ready for Cincy. That's good.

According to this, they both should be:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/...ontent=Twitter

Broncos starting running back Knowshon Moreno is expected to be out three weeks after an MRI exam revealed no significant tear to his hamstring, according to an NFL source. Moreno suffered the injury Sunday morning during the Broncos’ first training-camp session.

A few minutes later, Broncos backup running back Correll Buckhalter left the field with an upper back pull. When Buckhalter experienced tingling in his extremeties, he was sent to a local hospital as a precaution but was quickly released after his head, neck, back and spine were checked.

The expectation is the veteran Buckhalter will let the trauma rest for about a week.

All in all, it’s good news for the Broncos as both running backs should be back healthy well before the season opener Sept. 12 in Jacksonville.

GGMoogly
08-01-2010, 09:13 PM
"Hi Everyone...Joe Dudek here! Sure, I'm a little older and I've put on some weight, but what the heck?...I'm Joe MF Dudek!!" :2thumbs:

broncophan
08-01-2010, 09:23 PM
who needs a running game when we have Orton at qb???


glad to hear the injuries are not too serious.....

BroncoWave
08-01-2010, 09:27 PM
According to this, they both should be:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/...ontent=Twitter

Broncos starting running back Knowshon Moreno is expected to be out three weeks after an MRI exam revealed no significant tear to his hamstring, according to an NFL source. Moreno suffered the injury Sunday morning during the Broncos’ first training-camp session.

A few minutes later, Broncos backup running back Correll Buckhalter left the field with an upper back pull. When Buckhalter experienced tingling in his extremeties, he was sent to a local hospital as a precaution but was quickly released after his head, neck, back and spine were checked.

The expectation is the veteran Buckhalter will let the trauma rest for about a week.

All in all, it’s good news for the Broncos as both running backs should be back healthy well before the season opener Sept. 12 in Jacksonville.


I said Cincy, which is the first preseason game. Moreno will probably still be out then.

But yes, they should definitely both be ready for Jacksonville.

Italianmobstr7
08-01-2010, 09:28 PM
do you suppose that Josh and company are not already working on a deal with someone IF they need to be?

Let the dust settle before you pronounce the end of the world.

If the season takes a hit then so be it nothing we can do on this forum will make a bit of difference.

Calm down and let the pros handle it. y'all seem to forget there are 3-4 rookies that lots of folks here have been raving about.

I wasn't upset, and I didn't pronounce the end of the world. Take another look at my post bro. I just said that people have a right to be worried. I also said I wasn't jumping to conclusions because I didn't see it, so really had no place to say anything. All I said is that when a guy we drafted #12 overall last year who is poised for a breakout season this year goes down on the first day of camp and the tweets and reports coming out are "Knowshon made a cut, his knee buckled, doesn't look good" people tend to worry. There was no reason to tell people not to worry, it was worth being nervous about.

Thankfully the kid is going to be okay, and people worst fears didn't come true. There are 3-4 rookies that people have been raving about, but as we saw last year, sometimes rookie RB's don't just come in and play like superstars. It can take a season or two. You're absolutely right, no one here could have done anything if it was more serious than it is, but when people put time and effort into watching their favorite team that they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on each year, and we THINK that there may be a serious injury to our workhorse, I think people have a right to be upset or nervous about a potentially season ending injury (that was initially thought to be more serious than it is).

Lonestar
08-01-2010, 09:34 PM
I wasn't upset, and I didn't pronounce the end of the world. Take another look at my post bro. I just said that people have a right to be worried. I also said I wasn't jumping to conclusions because I didn't see it, so really had no place to say anything. All I said is that when a guy we drafted #12 overall last year who is poised for a breakout season this year goes down on the first day of camp and the tweets and reports coming out are "Knowshon made a cut, his knee buckled, doesn't look good" people tend to worry. There was no reason to tell people not to worry, it was worth being nervous about.

Thankfully the kid is going to be okay, and people worst fears didn't come true. There are 3-4 rookies that people have been raving about, but as we saw last year, sometimes rookie RB's don't just come in and play like superstars. It can take a season or two. You're absolutely right, no one here could have done anything if it was more serious than it is, but when people put time and effort into watching their favorite team that they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on each year, and we THINK that there may be a serious injury to our workhorse, I think people have a right to be upset or nervous about a potentially season ending injury (that was initially thought to be more serious than it is).


sorry if you took this personally I was saying that to a lot of other people that preceded you.

Your post just got the quote.

While I agree that we have high hopes for him just because one guy goes down does not end the season.

I appears that we have a lot of minor players that could step up.

Since this offense is not a run first like we have been used to for along time I'm not all that worried. It is more of a spread crossing pattern passing game with just enough running thrown in to keep them honest.

I'm pretty sure that the lack of big yards last year was more LOS oriented anyway.

Josh seemed to rectify that one in the draft. but then only time will tell.

dogfish
08-01-2010, 10:12 PM
Trade for me. Tashard Choice. I have produce everytime i have been given the chance. Look me up on youtube. I wont come cheap.

WTF??

:lol:

this has to be either a dupe account, or a lurker with a weird sense of humor who's been waiting for a few years for juuuust the right moment. . .


i would definitely take tashard choice in denver, though. . . wanted us to take him with the pick that went for either jack williams or lichtensteiger-- and he would've been a better pick than either of them, and far better than that wasted pick torain. . . :tsk:

dogfish
08-01-2010, 10:12 PM
I can't believe I had to "read" through 11 pages of garbage to get an update.

Thanks, Carol. Guess I'll just hang out on twitter or the Denver Post.com from now on, as opposed to reading 10 pages of what equates to little girls fighting.

well then, quit crying about it yourself, and post something worthwhile on the subject. . . :lol:

DenBronx
08-01-2010, 10:31 PM
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I will gladly include a free trial of oxi-clean.

Tned
08-01-2010, 10:52 PM
sorry if you took this personally I was saying that to a lot of other chicken littles that preceded you.

Your post just got the quote.



And this is the reason that BroncosForums policy has always been to focus on the topic and not other posters. Your fellow "Broncos fans" don't need to be labeled chicken littles or anything else.

If everyone would simply focus on making their points and discussing the topics, without belittling others for holding different viewpoints, then we will all have a more enjoyable experience.

Overtime
08-01-2010, 11:04 PM
nice way to get out of training camp Moreno. way to weasel out of it.

BroncoWave
08-01-2010, 11:07 PM
nice way to get out of training camp moreno. Way to weasel out of it.

s.t.f.u.

EMB6903
08-01-2010, 11:15 PM
nice way to get out of training camp Moreno. way to weasel out of it.

Moreno was actually looking very impressive before he was injured. IMO he, Alphonso, and Willis stood out the most in the AM practice...Very unfortunate he suffers another injury in August that sets him back a month or so, Those hammy injuries can linger for months.

BroncoWave
08-01-2010, 11:18 PM
Moreno was actually looking very impressive before he was injured. IMO he and Alphonso stood out the most in the AM practice.

Moreno has sex with OT's girlfriend or something. He could rush for 4,000 yards this year and OT would still find a way to tell us he sucks.

sanluis
08-01-2010, 11:20 PM
I hope they get well soon.

And there is plenty of time to heal before the season if the injuries are minor.

:listen:I don't want to hear any excuses when Denver plays the Chargers!

TXBRONC
08-01-2010, 11:47 PM
nice way to get out of training camp Moreno. way to weasel out of it.

OT why are you insisting on baitin people into an argument?

Overtime
08-02-2010, 12:35 AM
OT why are you insisting on baitin people into an argument?

not baiting anyone, that's just my opinion. the kid's production fell off the last 4 games of the season last year, and i personally think he's a slacker, and i think his work ethic is questionable.

but really you should know my sarcastic persona enough by now to know that im not baiting anyone.

underrated29
08-02-2010, 01:00 AM
not baiting anyone, that's just my opinion. the kid's production fell off the last 4 games of the season last year, and i personally think he's a slacker, and i think his work ethic is questionable.

but really you should know my sarcastic persona enough by now to know that im not baiting anyone.




yeah it did.


he was also above 4.0 yards per carry until ryan harris went down too...IE- the last like 4 games of the season. but we would not notice that. We would say only that he is a first round pick and shoould be able to dodge 8 guys behind the line of scrimmage because a true first rounder does not need an OLINE.

CrazyHorse
08-02-2010, 04:26 AM
We could always get Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Jamal Lewis, or Ahman Green.
Maybe even Ron Dayne.
Cedric Cobbs was on on the Patriots and might know McDaniels system.

RedFalcon
08-02-2010, 09:27 AM
If the Bills are still shopping Marshawn Lynch, I think we should go for it, if either Moreno's or Buckhalter's injuries are serious.
Hell, I think we should go for Lynch anyway. He's good, and leaving Buffalo, might help me straighten his life.

T.K.O.
08-02-2010, 10:32 AM
what's the deal with buckhalter ? i was at the lake yesterday and only saw the stupid ticker at the bottom of nfln saying "moreno and buck got hurt .....what gives ? are they both out a week ? a month ?
HELP !

silkamilkamonico
08-02-2010, 10:36 AM
not baiting anyone, that's just my opinion. the kid's production fell off the last 4 games of the season last year, and i personally think he's a slacker, and i think his work ethic is questionable.

I'm not a Moreno fan either, but his work ethic is very good actually and the kid is anything but a slacker. The one thing that I can respect about Moreno is it's been noted on more than one occasion that he's very professional in the way that he prepares and he does not get outworked. Teammates and coaching staff have said this about him on more than one occasion.

I just don't think he's that good of an NFL RB.

LTC Pain
08-02-2010, 10:38 AM
If the Bills are still shopping Marshawn Lynch, I think we should go for it, if either Moreno's or Buckhalter's injuries are serious.
Hell, I think we should go for Lynch anyway. He's good, and leaving Buffalo, might help me straighten his life.

If he's good then why does he need to be straightened out??? Seems like we just got rid of the same sorta two-headed nickel (Marshall) and don't need another.

Jagsbch
08-02-2010, 11:13 AM
what's the deal with buckhalter ? i was at the lake yesterday and only saw the stupid ticker at the bottom of nfln saying "moreno and buck got hurt .....what gives ? are they both out a week ? a month ?
HELP !


From what I gather he is going to be given a week to recover from the trama of pulling his upper back yesterday.

T.K.O.
08-02-2010, 11:30 AM
i just found this.......
"Coach McDaniels tells reporters no timetable on Moreno injury. I'm told minor hamstring pull for Buckhalter that shouldn't put him out long"

i guess its from jason lacatafantoria's (?:laugh:) twitter page

T.K.O.
08-02-2010, 11:35 AM
Broncos RBs Moreno, Buckhalter hurtEmail Print Comments365 ESPN.com news services

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Denver Broncos running backs Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter have both been injured on the Broncos' first day of training camp.


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Moreno was carted off the field after hurting his right leg Sunday, and Buckhalter injured his left leg minutes later.

The Denver Post, citing unnamed sources, reported that Moreno suffered a serious right hamstring injury, while Buckhalter pulled his upper back. Moreno is expected to be out three weeks after an MRI exam revealed no significant tear to his hamstring, according to the Post.


According to the Post, Buckhalter was sent to a local hospital as a precaution but was released after his head, neck, back and spine were checked.


About an hour into the workout, Moreno caught a pass in 7-on-7 drills and turned upfield when his leg buckled. He grimaced as he hopped into the team's headquarters for tests.


Buckhalter hurt his leg about 10 minutes later during the same drill and limped off on his own.


Coach Josh McDaniels, who 48 hours earlier traded veteran running back J.J. Arrington to Philadelphia for special teams stud Joe Mays, said he didn't know the extent of their injuries.

"Certainly, you don't want to see two of your guys that you really count on at the same position come off the field on the first day of training camp," McDaniels said.

The Broncos' backfield now looks like this: waiver wire pickup Kolby Smith, undrafted rookie Toney Baker and second-year pros Lance Ball and Bruce Hall.

"One guy goes down, a guy moves up," Ball said. "Chance to get more reps, get on film and impress the coaches."

RedFalcon
08-02-2010, 12:20 PM
If he's good then why does he need to be straightened out??? Seems like we just got rid of the same sorta two-headed nickel (Marshall) and don't need another.

Buffalo is different than Denver. I meant he could be straightened out, because McD is the kind of coach that doesn't tolerate indiscipline. And he won't have the same entourage in Denver as he does in Buffalo. And the team is different than the Bills. He's got more opportunities to be a winner here than in Buffalo.

HORSEPOWER 56
08-02-2010, 03:06 PM
Buffalo is different than Denver. I meant he could be straightened out, because McD is the kind of coach that doesn't tolerate indiscipline. And he won't have the same entourage in Denver as he does in Buffalo. And the team is different than the Bills. He's got more opportunities to be a winner here than in Buffalo.

True. For almost every bad situation - i.e. a T.O. who continues to allow his mouth to get him released from teams, there are guys who thrive with a change of scenery. Lynch has a checkered past of off field problems but I think a lot of the problems he's had in Buffalo stem from the fact that he's on a bad team in a bad organization. Corey Dillon and Randy Moss were guys who underperformed and/or were headaches in their locker room when they played on a losing franchise but turned it around quickly when they went to a competitive franchise with a more disciplined structure. Nobody can accuse the new Broncos regime of not being disciplined.

Lynch is a beast on the field. I'd take a flyer on turning this guy around. I just don't think he's used to losing - he never had to at the collegiate or pro level. I don't think it would take as much to get him from Buffalo as some do, either. Maybe he would turn it around, maybe he wouldn't, but I'd be willing to give him a second chance here.

Edmonton Bronco Fan
08-03-2010, 11:20 AM
This team can never catch a break. Man, when it rains it pours.

Hope it's one of those cases where it looks much worse than it really is.