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Watchthemiddle
06-06-2008, 05:42 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3427289

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Javon Walker admits he has a strong distaste for the Denver Broncos. He refers to them as "that team."

Walker wants to make it clear he still loves the city of Denver. He has decided to make it his home after playing there for two seasons. Yet a residence in the Rocky Mountains is the only positive experience the former first-round pick of the Green Bay Packers said he got out of his Denver days.

That's why Walker is so looking forward to the 2008 season opener. It's more than proving he can still be a dominant No. 1 receiver, and it's more than proving Oakland wasn't out of its financial mind by giving him a six-year, $55 million deal (with a staggering $16 million in guarantees) despite his history of knee trouble.
Walker is looking forward to the opener because he gets to face "that team."
On Sept. 8, on ESPN's "Monday Night Football," Denver will visit Oakland in what is one of the game's most heated rivalries. Walker is all aboard the spite train. The day after the game was announced at the NFL owners' meetings, Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said he texted his new No. 1 receiver about the news. He said Walker sent back a spirited text that displayed just how ready he is for that game.

Two months later, the fire is still burning in Walker, who practiced just once a day during the team's just-completed minicamp and is still shaking off the effects of his second knee surgery in two years. Kiffin has twice said this offseason that Walker needs to lose some weight. Still, Walker said he'll be 100 percent ready to face Denver.


Javon Walker is chomping at the bit to face his former team in the 2008 season opener.

"That team is going to see me in the opener," Walker said. "They are going to see me, I'll tell you that. They'll see what they are missing."

It seems Al Davis has a new fellow Bronco hater in Oakland. That alone might be worth the $55 million Davis is paying Walker.

When Walker arrived in Denver, it was supposed to be a perfect match.


The Broncos, coming off a trip to the AFC title game, needed a playmaker at receiver and Walker wanted out of Green Bay after the 2005 season in which he suffered a torn ACL in the first game the season. Walker's first season in Denver was successful as he had 69 catches and eight touchdowns and seemed on his way to a solid marriage in Denver.

Then, things started to fall apart. Walker was sitting next to Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams in a limousine when Williams was shot and killed in a drive-by shooting. Walker was filmed hours after the shooting wearing a shirt with Williams' blood on it.

Walker still downplays the aftereffects of the tragedy as being part of his unhappiness as a Bronco. On the last day of the year, the day after Denver finished the season 7-9, Walker exploded, saying he wasn't a good fit for the Broncos in a rambling diatribe. Broncos insiders said the team's brass was already tiring of Walker and that episode sealed his fate. Denver unceremoniously dumped Walker in February.

Walker's attributes his demise in Denver to the Broncos and the way they handled his knee injury. While in Dallas for some training camp work against the Cowboys last summer, Walker experienced swelling in his surgically repaired knee. He said he dealt with the issue and kept practicing daily.

In the first two games of the season, two Denver wins, Walker looked like the same player he was the season prior, grabbing 17 balls and being a key offensive component. However, in the third game, a home loss to Jacksonville, Walker had just two catches.

He said that was the beginning of the end of his time in Denver.

"I was open and they didn't get me the ball," Walker said. "Here I was busting my butt, draining my knee, to be able to go out and make plays and they didn't get me the ball. After that, I started to take care of my knee."

Shortly after the Jaguars game, Walker had arthroscopic surgery and missed the next seven games. When he returned the Broncos were 5-5, but he made little impact on the team that went 2-4 down the stretch. Walker had just seven catches in the final six games.

That made him even angrier at what was soon going to be his former club.

"I was ready in those final games and they just didn't want me to be a part of the offense," Walker said. "It just didn't work for me there with that team. They wanted me to take a pay cut in the middle of the season. They just didn't care about me. I'm glad I'm out of there."

Privately, the Broncos are happy Walker is gone, too. Team insiders said Walker, who wore out his welcome in Green Bay as well as Denver, was selfish and was more interested in his personal numbers than the team's success.

Walker insists he is a team player and is looking forward to an Oakland renaissance, both personally and for the franchise.


"'This team gets me," Walker said. "They know what I can do for them. The coaches want me to get the ball here. I just can't wait to show what I can do in the first game against that team."

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I am glad we get to hear the "other" side of the story from players currently on the Broncos roster.

Is it me, or wasn't it Walker who started all the "trade" talk or that he "wanted out"? Not the Broncos?

claymore
06-06-2008, 05:45 PM
I hope whatever safety we have back there lights this cancer up. I want to see snot bubbles come out of this SOB's nose.

This is where Champ earns his Money.

Rex
06-06-2008, 05:45 PM
I hope whatever safety we have back there lights this cancer up. I want to see snot bubbles come out of this SOB's nose.

This is where Champ earns his Money.

any reason you capitalized the "M" in money?:confused:

Watchthemiddle
06-06-2008, 05:45 PM
I hope whatever safety we have back there lights this cancer up. I want to see snot bubbles come out of this SOB's nose.

This is where Champ earns his Money.

We don't even need Champ to cover him. He can, and will, but I am sure Bly could do the job.

Requiem / The Dagda
06-06-2008, 05:46 PM
Love Javon as a player, but he's had that attitude since his FSU days.

Hoshdude7
06-06-2008, 05:47 PM
what a bitch

Timmy!
06-06-2008, 05:48 PM
And after Champ owns his butt in week 1 he'll throw a pissy fit and the Raiders realize they are indeed idiots. The end.

claymore
06-06-2008, 05:49 PM
any reason you capitalized the "M" in money?:confused:Im a jackass. Thats the only reason I can think of. I do that stuff all the time on accident.

Nit picker. :coffee:

Sassy
06-06-2008, 05:49 PM
If Javon would have acted like a Professional/GROWNUP he would have been treated well as a Bronco...yeah, Javon...guess what...there are other players in the NFL that actually want to be a BRONCO! (See Lorenzo Neal!)

Oh yeah...and you're looking forward to the Oakland Denver game. There is one of you and the whole entire Bronco defense that is probably looking forward to taking you out.
Yeah...it's "Personal" Javon...as in you PERSONALLY SCREWED UP!

P.S. You say you're ready to play? Why does your coach say otherwise?

claymore
06-06-2008, 05:51 PM
We don't even need Champ to cover him. He can, and will, but I am sure Bly could do the job.Ive been pissed at Bly ever since the Green Bay game. Hopefully Walker doesnt do an Owens on us and get a 90 yard TD against Champ as well.

That would make me throw up and ruin another remote.

Slick
06-06-2008, 05:53 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3427289


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I am glad we get to hear the "other" side of the story from players currently on the Broncos roster.

Is it me, or wasn't it Walker who started all the "trade" talk or that he "wanted out"? Not the Broncos?

No..you're right. Walker started all the negativity by pouting and taking his unhappiness to the media. I don't recall anyone from the Denver organization ever saying anything negative about Javon.

He didn't recover fully and Marshall had already solidified himself as a #1. He didn't deserve to come back and be the first option IMO.

Northman
06-06-2008, 06:03 PM
Got to love a guy who has a grudge after he had one bad game with a very young and inexperienced Qb. Way to be a team player Javon! I hope we lay the wood to your sorry ass on opening night.

atwater27
06-06-2008, 06:04 PM
"'This team gets me," Walker said.
That's right. They are the only team that will. Match made in heaven.

Slick
06-06-2008, 06:11 PM
I will say this about Javon. When he played he gave it his all. He did have a teammate die in his lap, and watched from the sidelines as another receiver basically took his job.

I hate that he got injured again. It would have been really nice to have him and Marshall play together for a few years. I'd have preferred that over Marshall and Colbert, or Jackson.

He handled it wrong, he probably knows it deep down.

tomjonesrocks
06-06-2008, 06:18 PM
Am surprised nothing about the (false?) microfracture "leak/slander" was in there.

Too bad Walker didn't work out--but after last season Denver simply had to cut him. What a disappointment.

Sassy
06-06-2008, 06:19 PM
I will say this about Javon. When he played he gave it his all. He did have a teammate die in his lap, and watched from the sidelines as another receiver basically took his job.

I hate that he got injured again. It would have been really nice to have him and Marshall play together for a few years. I'd have preferred that over Marshall and Colbert, or Jackson.

He handled it wrong, he probably knows it deep down.

I think you're right...I also think Darrent's Death messed him up. I thought that Javon would either be really good after that experience or not so hot...looks like the not so hot won out.

atwater27
06-06-2008, 06:23 PM
Javon is pretty selfish. Pulled darn near the same thing he did in Green Bay. You know, a Bronco died in his arms. The least he could have done is man up and stay a Bronco for Darren's sake. What's he trying to prove? That he's a dick?

BigDaddyBronco
06-06-2008, 07:09 PM
I might need to change my signature. We'll see if he actually plays well next year. If he does Quitterson is out and JWalk is in.

Day1BroncoFan
06-06-2008, 07:12 PM
We all know jabberon is a loud mouth punk. We also know what happens to loud mouth punks, they get shut up, out and down.

weazel
06-06-2008, 07:16 PM
The past
I hurt my knee in Green Bay and they replaced me with someone that was just as good, I hate them!

The present
I hurt my knee in Denver and they replaced me with a rookie that is 10 times the player that I am, I hate them!

The future
I hurt my knee in Oakland and ...


this guy's schtick is getting very old. I have to admit I thought he was a jerk when he was mouthing off in Green Bay, but I thought he could help the Broncos. He did pretty decent, but if youre going to get injured every season or two, you have to blame yourself... not the team paying you millions.

topscribe
06-06-2008, 07:20 PM
Ive been pissed at Bly ever since the Green Bay game. Hopefully Walker doesnt do an Owens on us and get a 90 yard TD against Champ as well.

That would make me throw up and ruin another remote.

Clay, Champ had hamstring problems in that game, and you should know that. :tsk:

Regarding Walker, I don't think he knows he's going to be going against a
different defense than the one he knew when he was here. I'm going to enjoy
his surprise.

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Requiem / The Dagda
06-06-2008, 07:21 PM
Rule #94. No excuses, play like a champ.

weazel
06-06-2008, 07:22 PM
He handled it wrong, he probably knows it deep down.

I doubt that, arrogance seems to blind some people. He was wrong in GB, he is wrong in Denver. He will be wrong in Oakland in a couple seasons as well.

He is just that kind of person.

Sodak
06-06-2008, 07:40 PM
Javon Who???

Dreadnought
06-06-2008, 07:58 PM
Screw Javon Walker, and screw this language filter that won't let me post my full range of feelings about that POS. The Hell with him.

honz
06-06-2008, 07:58 PM
What a beyatch. I hope Lynch lights his ass up.

Hobe
06-06-2008, 08:11 PM
He'll be out hurt by the first Bronco's game.

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Lets see many times in the past a raider WR has had his way with (in the biblical sense) the DEN CB's lets hope it does not happen again in Game one.
I'm guessing with all the changes in this defense it will..

If this clown was such a cancer, can someone tell me who was in the car and night club when Darrent was killed?

BeefStew25
06-06-2008, 08:15 PM
Lets see many times in the past a raider WR has had his way with (in the biblical sense) the DEN CB's lets hope it does not happen again in Game one.
I'm guessing with all the changes in this defense it will..

If this clown was such a cancer, can someone tell me who was in the car and night club when Darrent was killed?

Same old story Jr. We know you disagree with every decison Shanny makes.

scott.475
06-06-2008, 08:31 PM
So in the posted interview, Javon complains about not getting enough balls thrown to him when he was here, then goes on to talk about what a great team player he is? After he popped off about Denver not being the right place for him, he is a team player? After Jay, Brandon, and others go to Atlanta to work on their own and Javon doesn't go, even after being asked personally by Brandon, he is a team player?

None of us can predict what the outcome of that game will be, but I remember Quitterson saying "we gonna put somethin' on they azz, you can belie dat" before a game against us, and we beat them. Walker is good, but he isn't that good. And I think being worried about Champ not being able to cover Javon because he was not able to cover TO due to a bad hammy is an insult to both Champ and TO...Javon is no TO.

DenBronx
06-06-2008, 08:55 PM
thank you javon!!!! thanks to igniting one of the best rivalries in history. i think by you spouting off at the mouth your going to face an angry denver bronco defense. let the bad blood build!!!! oakland is going to get an ass kicking!

gobroncsnv
06-06-2008, 08:58 PM
Javon is no TO.

Except for all the wrong reasons...

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 09:55 PM
Same old story Jr. We know you disagree with every decison Shanny makes.

sorry beef my post had nothing to do with mikey, I asked who else was in the car and made a statement as to the raiders lighting up our defense in the past..

You of all should know while I do not like mikey as a GM I consider him one of the top coaches in the league.. please do not get mixed up by some that rag on me for my condemnation of mikey the GM..

Just because I do not see mikey the GM walking on water does not make me a bad guy.. If Y'all want to the is a cross that you will have to bear..

honz
06-06-2008, 10:01 PM
sorry beef my post had nothing to do with mikey, I asked who else was in the car and made a statement as to the raiders lighting up our defense in the past..

You of all should know while I do not like mikey as a GM I consider him one of the top coaches in the league.. please do not get mixed up by some that rag on me for my condemnation of mikey the GM..

Just because I do not see mikey the GM walking on water does not make me a bad guy.. If Y'all want to the is a cross that you will have to bear..
Good GMs never make mistakes.:coffee:

WARHORSE
06-06-2008, 10:15 PM
Not only are we gonna shut his mouth on gamenight, we're gonna shut it with a couple of huge fists stuck in it. Theres lessons to be taught, and we're just the team to do the teaching..........:coffee:

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
06-06-2008, 10:16 PM
Walker is just babbling at this point. Broncos didnt do anything to him. I recall him getting mad at the organization for Marshall being better than him. He is already in Oakland camp out of shape getting not seperation. I guess being fragile will do that to you?

omac
06-06-2008, 10:17 PM
Wow, Javon's statements keep jumping back and forth. In an earlier interview, he said he was okay with Brandon getting all the looks and he even gave up his own plays for Brandon to help him reach the 100 catch mark. Now, he's pissed that they weren't throwing the ball to him enough. Couple this with the remarks from an undisclosed Bronco player and it paints Brandon as a non-team player.

Too bad, when he was healthy, he was an excellent, fast, tough receiver.

Ziggy
06-06-2008, 10:17 PM
I will say this about Javon. When he played he gave it his all. He did have a teammate die in his lap, and watched from the sidelines as another receiver basically took his job.

I hate that he got injured again. It would have been really nice to have him and Marshall play together for a few years. I'd have preferred that over Marshall and Colbert, or Jackson.

He handled it wrong, he probably knows it deep down.

That would have never happened. Marshall will get the bulk of the throws, and Javon would have started whining and throwing a fit again. He's a locker room cancer. Another addition by subtraction.

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 10:20 PM
Good GMs never make mistakes.:coffee:

I know you did not say that.. Did you?

Most of the really goods ones have kicked mikey ass on day one over the past 10 years or so in the draft if you take 2006 and maybe 07 and 08 jury is still out on those two drafts..

I know that even the koolade drinking orange glass wearing fanatics can not defend mikeys DAFTING form 2000-04 at all..

Do other GM's make occasional errors? Sure they do but none are on mikeys area of expertise in the DAFT..

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 10:22 PM
That would have never happened. Marshall will get the bulk of the throws, and Javon would have started whining and throwing a fit again. He's a locker room cancer. Another addition by subtraction.

If this was true WHO WAS at the night club and then in the car with him when Darrent was shot and why?

Northman
06-06-2008, 10:26 PM
If this was true WHO WAS at the night club and then in the car with him when Darrent was shot and why?

What does being a locker room cancer have to do with being in the limo and at the club with Darrent? I dont understand your question.

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 10:30 PM
What does being a locker room cancer have to do with being in the limo and at the club with Darrent? I dont understand your question.


If he was such a cancer, who would want to be with him on the prowl?

Until the shooting I had not heard one thing about him being a selfish player, so after he started having problems with his knee then most folks myself included started ragging on him..

Then we had a new darling to take his place it started to get vicious..

Just seems a fickle crowd to me..

honz
06-06-2008, 10:36 PM
I know you did not say that.. Did you?

Most of the really goods ones have kicked mikey ass on day one over the past 10 years or so in the draft if you take 2006 and maybe 07 and 08 jury is still out on those two drafts..

I know that even the koolade drinking orange glass wearing fanatics can not defend mikeys DAFTING form 2000-04 at all..

Do other GM's make occasional errors? Sure they do but none are on mikeys area of expertise in the DAFT..
No, I won't deny that he has made several terrible mistakes on draft day in the past...your Shanny bashing just gets old and is very predictable. I think we all know where you stand as far as Shanny is concerned.

Northman
06-06-2008, 10:38 PM
If he was such a cancer, who would want to be with him on the prowl?

Until the shooting I had not heard one thing about him being a selfish player, so after he started having problems with his knee then most folks myself included started ragging on him..

Then we had a new darling to take his place it started to get vicious..

Just seems a fickle crowd to me..


Although i agree that prior to Darrent's death Javon was playing low key. But even with that said it isnt uncommon for guys who are cancer's to have friends on the team. Javon may have been friends with Darrent but maybe not get along with other players. I had some concerns before he even got here because of what went down in Green Bay. But i thought after the year he had in 05' that he was beyond that. And now with some of the stuff he is saying regarding quitting on the team really has me pissed.

When he first made those comments to the press a lot of people went to bat for him claiming that the death of Darrent had taken its toll on him. But, his animosity with the Broncos evidently stems from having a bad game against Jax and nothing to do with Darrent. No receiver who has a Super Bowl ring has done it alone. Rice had Taylor, Irvan had Harper, Monk had Clark, and Harrison has Wayne. Why it is Javon couldnt work with having Brandon on the team to help reach that ultimate goal is beyond me.

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 10:41 PM
No, I won't deny that he has made several terrible mistakes on draft day in the past...your Shanny bashing just gets old and is very predictable. I think we all know where you stand as far as Shanny is concerned.

The original comment was

Originally Posted by Jrwiz
Lets see many times in the past a raider WR has had his way with (in the biblical sense) the DEN CB's lets hope it does not happen again in Game one.
I'm guessing with all the changes in this defense it will..

If this clown was such a cancer, can someone tell me who was in the car and night club when Darrent was killed?

Absolutely nothing in there about mikey was there..

If you post something about GM mikey please, please do not be surprised if I make a comment..

If you do not like my posts please do not read them..

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Although i agree that prior to Darrent's death Javon was playing low key. But even with that said it isnt uncommon for guys who are cancer's to have friends on the team. Javon may have been friends with Darrent but maybe not get along with other players. I had some concerns before he even got here because of what went down in Green Bay. But i thought after the year he had in 05' that he was beyond that. And now with some of the stuff he is saying regarding quitting on the team really has me pissed.

When he first made those comments to the press a lot of people went to bat for him claiming that the death of Darrent had taken its toll on him. But, his animosity with the Broncos evidently stems from having a bad game against Jax and nothing to do with Darrent. No receiver who has a Super Bowl ring has done it alone. Rice had Taylor, Irvan had Harper, Monk had Clark, and Harrison has Wayne. Why it is Javon couldnt work with having Brandon on the team to help reach that ultimate goal is beyond me.

I'm not defending Jwalk at all I'm trying to get to a point..

Jwalk got cut because of his knee plain and simple his attitude just set it in stone..

My other point was who was in the car is relevant. I know that Marshall was there with a cousin and they actually started the fiasco with the gang members.

I was wondering who else IF anyone besides the four of them were in the car..

I think that Jwalk holds Marshall and his cousin responsible and when he went on the hot streak and he was hurt it came boiling out after the season..

Ir was plain for all to see that Marshall was an up and comer.. and he was a direct threat to Jwalk and on top of that the guy who got his best friend killed..

That is all..

Notice I said nothing about mikey here also.. ;):D

Northman
06-06-2008, 10:51 PM
I'm not defending Jwalk at all I'm trying to get to a point..

Jwalk got cut because of his knee plain and simple his attitude just set it in stone..

My other point was who was in the car is relevant. I know that Marshall was there with a cousin and they actually started the fiasco with the gang members.

I was wondering who else IF anyone besides the four of them were in the car..

I think that Jwalk holds Marshall and his cousin responsible and when he went on the hot streak and he was hurt it came boiling out after the season..

Ir was plain for all to see that Marshall was an up and comer.. and he was a direct threat to Jwalk and on top of that the guy who got his best friend killed..

That is all..

Notice I said nothing about mikey here also.. ;):D


You dont have to say anything about Mikey to me. I agree with your sentiment that Shanny should stick to coaching. But, after seeing what has transpired this offseason i wonder how much of that had to do with certain individuals in upper management who were let go earlier this year. Makes me wonder who was really at fault for past trangressions regarding drafting, free agent signings etc.

Lonestar
06-06-2008, 10:57 PM
You dont have to say anything about Mikey to me. I agree with your sentiment that Shanny should stick to coaching. But, after seeing what has transpired this offseason i wonder how much of that had to do with certain individuals in upper management who were let go earlier this year. Makes me wonder who was really at fault for past trangressions regarding drafting, free agent signings etc.

not is the lest ted was a gofer that developed a working relationship with other GM's learned alot at mikey feet but in no way did he make deals that mikey did not approve..

I think we all know that don't we..

Up till this year Pat has allowed mikey to run this team totally and has not interfered at all..

Ted was yet another scape goat on mikeys screw ups on personnel and poor performance over the past few years...

Then this year Pat lays down the law about wasted cap space on questionable vet FAs..

Theres a new sheriff in town and his name its Pat..

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
06-06-2008, 11:03 PM
At the end of the day Walker and Oakland sucks.

Northman
06-06-2008, 11:06 PM
not is the lest ted was a gofer that developed a working relationship with other GM's learned alot at mikey feet but in no way did he make deals that mikey did not approve..

I think we all know that don't we..

Up till this year Pat has allowed mikey to run this team totally and has not interfered at all..

Ted was yet another scape goat on mikeys screw ups on personnel and poor performance over the past few years...

Then this year Pat lays down the law about wasted cap space on questionable vet FAs..

Theres a new sheriff in town and his name its Pat..


I dont know, maybe. Problem with that theory to me though is that if Pat truly thought that Shanahan was a fault i would think he would have demoted Shanahan back to just coaching. I dont think you waste money on a guy like Sundquist to just have him up there to take orders from Mike. Im sure Mike had some hand in it but just as too how much i dont think anyone will truly know. None of us were there to see who did what and can only speculate one way or another.

Watchthemiddle
06-06-2008, 11:11 PM
Javon,

Are you saying that Oakland evaluates talent better then the Broncos?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

WTM

OB
06-06-2008, 11:55 PM
I was hoping he would be one of our tops for a few years - who knows what goes on behind the scenes but the guys themselves - but now that he has shown his true colors (silver n black) its on like Donkey Kong - biaaaaattttcccchhhhh

dogfish
06-07-2008, 12:31 AM
dogfish says javon is a whiny little bitch. . .


"it's personal". . . . please! maybe on his end-- i doubt anyone from the broncos cares much one way or the other what the broken-down has-been thinks. . . but from a fan's perspective, i don't think his attitude is much different from lily's-- he pretty much snivelled his way outta town because we had somebody better and he was afraid to compete for his spot and his touches. . . what an idiot-- when he can't get any separation, WTH does he think the ball's going to someone else. . . ?


he'd better hope their coaching staff can get him away from #24 if he thinks he's going to make any plays against us, because champ will stone him without breaking a sweat. . . .

scott.475
06-07-2008, 01:09 AM
I think it is quite a stretch to say we are fickle concerning Walker. Granted, I was only on the freak at the time, but most everyone wanted him to succeed, and everyone was really pulling for him after the shooting. When he started having knee trouble last year, a lot of people started being realistic about his chances to fully recover, but there was no anger toward him. The tide did not turn against him until he popped off at the end of the season...fans can't be called fickle when they get mad because one of their players say their team is not the right place for him; that makes the player fickle, not the fans.

This is basically Kennison all over. Not right to call us fickle over what he did, either. In both cases, it was the players actions that caused our anger toward him, anger which is not unfounded.

Watchthemiddle
06-07-2008, 01:13 AM
I think it is quite a stretch to say we are fickle concerning Walker. Granted, I was only on the freak at the time, but most everyone wanted him to succeed, and everyone was really pulling for him after the shooting. When he started having knee trouble last year, a lot of people started being realistic about his chances to fully recover, but there was no anger toward him. The tide did not turn against him until he popped off at the end of the season...fans can't be called fickle when they get mad because one of their players say their team is not the right place for him; that makes the player fickle, not the fans.

This is basically Kennison all over. Not right to call us fickle over what he did, either. In both cases, it was the players actions that caused our anger toward him, anger which is not unfounded.

100% correct.

If you make it known publicly that you want out...and make no effort to stay, then you have nothing to cry about.

Lonestar
06-07-2008, 02:20 AM
I think it is quite a stretch to say we are fickle concerning Walker. Granted, I was only on the freak at the time, but most everyone wanted him to succeed, and everyone was really pulling for him after the shooting. When he started having knee trouble last year, a lot of people started being realistic about his chances to fully recover, but there was no anger toward him. The tide did not turn against him until he popped off at the end of the season...fans can't be called fickle when they get mad because one of their players say their team is not the right place for him; that makes the player fickle, not the fans.

This is basically Kennison all over. Not right to call us fickle over what he did, either. In both cases, it was the players actions that caused our anger toward him, anger which is not unfounded.


Good post thanks perhaps fickle is not the correct term.. but once the knee happened he was toast in most fans eyes.. time to move on for many..

Once he whined in the locker room, well I'm Glad he cleaned out his locker on the way out..

Lonestar
06-07-2008, 02:22 AM
I have to wonder had we drafted him to start with instead of ashely I wonder if he would have turned on us like he did in GB or if he would have gotten hurt..

I have always thought about that..

pnbronco
06-07-2008, 08:51 AM
I will say this about Javon. When he played he gave it his all. He did have a teammate die in his lap, and watched from the sidelines as another receiver basically took his job.

I hate that he got injured again. It would have been really nice to have him and Marshall play together for a few years. I'd have preferred that over Marshall and Colbert, or Jackson.

He handled it wrong, he probably knows it deep down.

Slick I think you're right. What I kept seeing from him is that D-Will's death really messed him up and his ego would not let him get the help he needed. At camp he had the mohawk. Then early in the season he was carrying that wrestler looking belt with Williams and Nashes pictures on them and he was saying I'm taking them every where with me. Then he reported that he kept the shirt with Darrent's blood on it and then said but I don't need counseling.

It appears that he became his own worse enemy and carried that into the locker room. It's good that he moved on and someone really needs to put duck tape over his mouth. There are still many guys on the D that loved Darrent too and Walker may have just fueled a fire that he will have to deal with.

BroncoJoe
06-07-2008, 09:15 AM
I don't like the D-Will death as an excuse. He didn't even go to the funeral.

Dreadnought
06-07-2008, 09:43 AM
I have to wonder had we drafted him to start with instead of ashely I wonder if he would have turned on us like he did in GB or if he would have gotten hurt..

I have always thought about that..

I think as we've gotten to know this guy a little better its clear to me anyway it wouldn't have made a jot of difference. He turned on GB, he turned on us, and he will turn on the Faid (and make me laugh when he does!). Thats the makeup of the man.

Bottom line is Jwalk was, is, and will be a turd. Maybe he can go party with Travis Henry and they can snivel together about how they didn't get any respect or something.

Lonestar
06-07-2008, 10:10 AM
I think as we've gotten to know this guy a little better its clear to me anyway it wouldn't have made a jot of difference. He turned on GB, he turned on us, and he will turn on the Faid (and make me laugh when he does!). Thats the makeup of the man.

Bottom line is Jwalk was, is, and will be a turd. Maybe he can go party with Travis Henry and they can snivel together about how they didn't get any respect or something.

perhaps shriveled al will sign thenry also..

You may be right about Jwalk but I also wonder if he went into GB screwed up, was marginally screwed up and they finished him off or if he had come to Den straight away whether being in a great organization might have turned him into a better person..

Or if because he is a WR that inherently he was a head case unable to be anything else..

Northman
06-07-2008, 10:48 AM
I have to wonder had we drafted him to start with instead of ashely I wonder if he would have turned on us like he did in GB or if he would have gotten hurt..

I have always thought about that..


Really hard to say. He had one good year with Jake but with Jake's inconsistencies as a Qb would it have been that way all the time. Hard to say at this point.

DenverBronkHoes
06-07-2008, 10:56 AM
Dear Javon,

Brandon Marshall was better than you when he was a rookie. You made 1 impressive catch with us, you got lucky the ball fell into your hands from 68 yards away from superman Jay Cutler. Your knee is shot. You joined the most hated team in the league to run your mouth. Your stealing 16 million you robber. And who's going to be throwing you the ball? McFadden wont even make u better.

Good luck

scott.475
06-07-2008, 11:18 AM
He is the newest incarnation of a younger Randy Moss.

DenverBronkHoes
06-07-2008, 11:28 AM
He is the newest incarnation of a younger Randy Moss.

he will never be Randy... not even close... If ur talking attitude-wise i can see it.... But even Randy has calmed down in his day. Alot of people dont know how good Moss REALLY is....

scott.475
06-07-2008, 12:14 PM
he will never be Randy... not even close... If ur talking attitude-wise i can see it.... But even Randy has calmed down in his day. Alot of people dont know how good Moss REALLY is....

Yep, I did not mean talent wise, just attitude. Even worse, he is talking like he has Moss's talent. Was it Top Gun where the guy said something like "your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"?

DenverBronkHoes
06-07-2008, 12:18 PM
Yep, I did not mean talent wise, just attitude. Even worse, he is talking like he has Moss's talent. Was it Top Gun where the guy said something like "your ego is writing checks your body can't cash"?

yes... actually u are exactly right.....



garantee me 16 million ill say a whole bunch of shit that isnt true

DenverBronkHoes
06-07-2008, 12:19 PM
whooops

Medford Bronco
06-07-2008, 12:44 PM
If Javon would have acted like a Professional/GROWNUP he would have been treated well as a Bronco...yeah, Javon...guess what...there are other players in the NFL that actually want to be a BRONCO! (See Lorenzo Neal!)

Oh yeah...and you're looking forward to the Oakland Denver game. There is one of you and the whole entire Bronco defense that is probably looking forward to taking you out.
Yeah...it's "Personal" Javon...as in you PERSONALLY SCREWED UP!

P.S. You say you're ready to play? Why does your coach say otherwise?


Maybe he can ask Travis if he was ready for minicamp as well

two losers and glad BOTH are gone

LoyalSoldier
06-07-2008, 01:27 PM
So wait, he whines and cries he wants off the team and now he is mad at us? He wants to show us what we are missing when he was the one who got injured and then whined his way off the team?

Er hat nicht allen tassen im schrank. :coffee:

shank
06-07-2008, 01:43 PM
why would he be mad at the broncos? we gave him what he wanted and released him, and he ended up getting MORE money, which seems to be one of his biggest priorities.

with that contract i'll be surprised if he plays with effort for even the two games against the broncos each year.

topscribe
06-07-2008, 02:48 PM
So wait, he whines and cries he wants off the team and now he is mad at us? He wants to show us what we are missing when he was the one who got injured and then whined his way off the team?

Er hat nicht allen tassen im schrank. :coffee:

Sein Aufzug nicht alle den Weg an die Spitze.

Er ist nicht umgebrochen zu eng. :D

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Ziggy
06-07-2008, 02:59 PM
Sein Aufzug nicht alle den Weg an die Spitze.

Er ist nicht umgebrochen zu eng. :D

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Where's the translation button on this thing? Oh there it is....Topscribe says, "Sein Aufzug nicht alle den Weg an die Spitze.

Er ist nicht umgebrochen zu eng", which in English means, "Whatchyou talkin' bout Willis?!:D

DenBronx
06-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Sein Aufzug nicht alle den Weg an die Spitze.

Er ist nicht umgebrochen zu eng. :D

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what tha...

omac
06-07-2008, 05:45 PM
"Its elevator not all the way to the point. It is not ploughed too close."

Hehe, that's the Babelfish translator for you. :D

shank
06-07-2008, 05:48 PM
He has not all cups in the cabinet



Its not lift all the way to the top.

He is not wrapped too tight.

google translator

scott.475
06-07-2008, 06:57 PM
All Your Base Are Belong To Us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg&feature=related

That is what the translator gave me...

LoyalSoldier
06-07-2008, 10:56 PM
Basically German for HE IS CRAZY!

weazel
06-07-2008, 11:09 PM
all you guys saying he's a bad receiver are wrong, he is a very good receiver... problem is, he has a bad knee and a bad attitude AND neither of those are going to change. If he were 100% and could stay that way for more than a handful of games at a time, he wouldnt even have been a Bronco, he would still be with the Packers. Shanny took a chance on a wounded player with a big upside, which was worth it, really. It's just too bad that the guy has a terrible attitude to go along with his terrible knee problems.

Timmy!
06-07-2008, 11:42 PM
All Your Base Are Belong To Us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg&feature=related

That is what the translator gave me...

LMAO! This was an ongoing joke at my old job. :salute::salute::salute:

topscribe
06-08-2008, 01:46 AM
Where's the translation button on this thing? Oh there it is....Topscribe says, "Sein Aufzug nicht alle den Weg an die Spitze.

Er ist nicht umgebrochen zu eng", which in English means, "Whatchyou talkin' bout Willis?!:D

His elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.

He's not wrapped too tight.

:D

(Haven't spoken a lot of German in decades, so sometimes it's not so good.)

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NameUsedBefore
06-08-2008, 06:50 AM
"It's personal" with everybody with Walker, we shouldn't take it too hard.

WARHORSE
06-08-2008, 12:43 PM
If he was such a cancer, who would want to be with him on the prowl?

Until the shooting I had not heard one thing about him being a selfish player, so after he started having problems with his knee then most folks myself included started ragging on him..

Then we had a new darling to take his place it started to get vicious..

Just seems a fickle crowd to me..

Thats like the crocodile complainin to the hippo that his teeth snap when he talks.:confused:


lol........

BeefStew25
06-08-2008, 01:16 PM
"It's personal" with everybody with Walker, we shouldn't take it too hard.

Exactly. I'll take Champ vs Javon anyday.

SmilinAssasSin27
06-08-2008, 10:42 PM
It says it all that after 1 game where he didn't get the ball, he determined it was the end. What a frickin loser.

BeefStew25
06-08-2008, 10:44 PM
It says it all that after 1 game where he didn't get the ball, he determined it was the end. What a frickin loser.

Plus there was about a million better ways he could have handled getting out of Denver.

I hope he enjoys JaMarcus. It is going to be a nightmare out there.

SmilinAssasSin27
06-08-2008, 10:46 PM
Plus there was about a million better ways he could have handled getting out of Denver.

I hope he enjoys JaMarcus. It is going to be a nightmare out there.

Agreed...if he got upset that a mobile Cutty didn't get him the ball, what's he gonna say about JaMarcusTooFat?

Npba900
06-09-2008, 07:15 PM
I will say this about Javon. When he played he gave it his all. He did have a teammate die in his lap, and watched from the sidelines as another receiver basically took his job.

I hate that he got injured again. It would have been really nice to have him and Marshall play together for a few years. I'd have preferred that over Marshall and Colbert, or Jackson.

He handled it wrong, he probably knows it deep down.

Yeah finding and maintaining a great receiving corp is difficult, let alone trying to get everything to come together to see them play together. Ya gotta give Shanahan credit however, b/c he had a chance to have Lelie, Walker, and Marshall, which would have been a pretty formidable group of WR's for teams to account for. Then you throw in Jay coming into his own as QB, Denvers passing game would have been a force to be reckoned with.

I wonder if Shanahan feels just as frustrated as I do.

Npba900
06-09-2008, 07:17 PM
It says it all that after 1 game where he didn't get the ball, he determined it was the end. What a frickin loser.

Actually I think the dawning realization the Broncos were going to ask for a pay cut had a much bigger reason for Walker wanting out of Denver, than not getting the ball.

oubronco
06-09-2008, 07:24 PM
here's to hoping someone LAYS HIS ASSS OUT when he goes over the middle trying to prove something

topscribe
06-09-2008, 10:25 PM
That's what happens with big babies who think only of themselves and can't
take responsibility for their own behavior. You react to their disruptions and
distractions, and you're the bad guy.

I don't think anybody on the Broncos will be giving the dude any kisses in that
Monday night game. He is so arrogant he thinks he will be owning a couple
Pro Bowl CBs. Not if a renewed run defense and pass rush has anything to say
about it. :coffee:

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MOtorboat
06-09-2008, 10:27 PM
Don't strain your mangina buddy.

Midnight Blue
06-09-2008, 11:02 PM
That's what happens with big babies who think only of themselves and can't
take responsibility for their own behavior. You react to their disruptions and
distractions, and you're the bad guy.

I don't think anybody on the Broncos will be giving the dude any kisses in that
Monday night game. He is so arrogant he thinks he will be owning a couple
Pro Bowl CBs. Not if a renewed run defense and pass rush has anything to say
about it. :coffee:

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Exactly... it may be "personal" for one former Bronco on the Raiders team, but just how smart is it for him to run his mouth and provide "bulletin board material" that is likely to also make it "personal" for 11 guys across the LOS?

frenchfan
06-10-2008, 06:10 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3427289

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Javon Walker admits he has a strong distaste for the Denver Broncos. He refers to them as "that team."

Walker wants to make it clear he still loves the city of Denver. He has decided to make it his home after playing there for two seasons. Yet a residence in the Rocky Mountains is the only positive experience the former first-round pick of the Green Bay Packers said he got out of his Denver days.

That's why Walker is so looking forward to the 2008 season opener. It's more than proving he can still be a dominant No. 1 receiver, and it's more than proving Oakland wasn't out of its financial mind by giving him a six-year, $55 million deal (with a staggering $16 million in guarantees) despite his history of knee trouble.
Walker is looking forward to the opener because he gets to face "that team."
On Sept. 8, on ESPN's "Monday Night Football," Denver will visit Oakland in what is one of the game's most heated rivalries. Walker is all aboard the spite train. The day after the game was announced at the NFL owners' meetings, Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said he texted his new No. 1 receiver about the news. He said Walker sent back a spirited text that displayed just how ready he is for that game.

Two months later, the fire is still burning in Walker, who practiced just once a day during the team's just-completed minicamp and is still shaking off the effects of his second knee surgery in two years. Kiffin has twice said this offseason that Walker needs to lose some weight. Still, Walker said he'll be 100 percent ready to face Denver.


Javon Walker is chomping at the bit to face his former team in the 2008 season opener.

"That team is going to see me in the opener," Walker said. "They are going to see me, I'll tell you that. They'll see what they are missing."

It seems Al Davis has a new fellow Bronco hater in Oakland. That alone might be worth the $55 million Davis is paying Walker.

When Walker arrived in Denver, it was supposed to be a perfect match.


The Broncos, coming off a trip to the AFC title game, needed a playmaker at receiver and Walker wanted out of Green Bay after the 2005 season in which he suffered a torn ACL in the first game the season. Walker's first season in Denver was successful as he had 69 catches and eight touchdowns and seemed on his way to a solid marriage in Denver.

Then, things started to fall apart. Walker was sitting next to Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams in a limousine when Williams was shot and killed in a drive-by shooting. Walker was filmed hours after the shooting wearing a shirt with Williams' blood on it.

Walker still downplays the aftereffects of the tragedy as being part of his unhappiness as a Bronco. On the last day of the year, the day after Denver finished the season 7-9, Walker exploded, saying he wasn't a good fit for the Broncos in a rambling diatribe. Broncos insiders said the team's brass was already tiring of Walker and that episode sealed his fate. Denver unceremoniously dumped Walker in February.

Walker's attributes his demise in Denver to the Broncos and the way they handled his knee injury. While in Dallas for some training camp work against the Cowboys last summer, Walker experienced swelling in his surgically repaired knee. He said he dealt with the issue and kept practicing daily.

In the first two games of the season, two Denver wins, Walker looked like the same player he was the season prior, grabbing 17 balls and being a key offensive component. However, in the third game, a home loss to Jacksonville, Walker had just two catches.

He said that was the beginning of the end of his time in Denver.

"I was open and they didn't get me the ball," Walker said. "Here I was busting my butt, draining my knee, to be able to go out and make plays and they didn't get me the ball. After that, I started to take care of my knee."

Shortly after the Jaguars game, Walker had arthroscopic surgery and missed the next seven games. When he returned the Broncos were 5-5, but he made little impact on the team that went 2-4 down the stretch. Walker had just seven catches in the final six games.

That made him even angrier at what was soon going to be his former club.

"I was ready in those final games and they just didn't want me to be a part of the offense," Walker said. "It just didn't work for me there with that team. They wanted me to take a pay cut in the middle of the season. They just didn't care about me. I'm glad I'm out of there."

Privately, the Broncos are happy Walker is gone, too. Team insiders said Walker, who wore out his welcome in Green Bay as well as Denver, was selfish and was more interested in his personal numbers than the team's success.

Walker insists he is a team player and is looking forward to an Oakland renaissance, both personally and for the franchise.


"'This team gets me," Walker said. "They know what I can do for them. The coaches want me to get the ball here. I just can't wait to show what I can do in the first game against that team."

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I am glad we get to hear the "other" side of the story from players currently on the Broncos roster.

Is it me, or wasn't it Walker who started all the "trade" talk or that he "wanted out"? Not the Broncos?
Hey WTM... You really got me...

I thought for a while you were talking about WALKER TEXAS RANGER... Then, I was scared...:ahhhhh: :faint:
Hopefully, you were just talking about JAVON.... :lollypop:

:laugh:

PS : I hope he'll have some "personal" tackles too ;) ... LOL (if he makes the team of course... LMAO)

Traveler
06-10-2008, 07:20 AM
If things go as they have in the past when former Bronco players returning to play against us, Walker will make a couple of big plays.

I had such high hopes for Walker when we got him in trade. Too bad his attitude was worse than Lelie's. He is a great talent, when healthy, and it would have been dynamite to see when he and Marshall could accomplish together.

Such a waste!

Retired_Member_001
06-10-2008, 09:31 AM
Yes and Walker can shout at us from the sideline.

:coffee:

Arkansas Bronco
06-10-2008, 09:38 AM
Havent read any posts here yet but I have to say yea it is personal. I bought into him, I really really liked him then he punked us out. So yea I take it from the thread name that is what he is saying but I feel the same way toward him. He got a crap load of money then just quit on us, he rivals right up there with quiterson. He is one of the few people in the NFL I will never like again.

sacmar
06-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Already sounding like a punk ass raider, he comes here sucks up our cash and gives us injuries and excuses in return, what a joke. Opening monday night he will see what the difference is between football and that crap the raiders come out and do.