Neg Reps

[Timmy!]

We need it. Thoughts?

[BroncoBJ]

I like this idea. :salute:

[Watchthemiddle]

Whats the point? Our reps don't count for anything.

[TXBRONC]

WTM is right our system as it is now doesn't give points so negs wouldn't be of value. Also after my experience on Broncomania with negs its way to divisive.

[frauschieze]

I miss my paint can.

[Timmy!]

That's the nice thing about not having a point system (although I'm in favor one). Getting a neg rep won't hurt your points, so it shouldn't get anybody in a big tizzy. As for it being divisive, I suppose it could be. Neg rep as it was used on the Freak was a fun and non divisive thing, it was usually used to jest.

[KCL]

That's the nice thing about not having a point system (although I'm in favor one). Getting a neg rep won't hurt your points, so it shouldn't get anybody in a big tizzy. As for it being divisive, I suppose it could be. Neg rep as it was used on the Freak was a fun and non divisive thing, it was usually used to jest.

I doubt it would be used like this on this board...not all of the time
anyhow!

[frauschieze]

I doubt it would be used like this on this board...not all of the time
anyhow!

I disagree. The Freak was a much more.....vicious....place than here. And at the moment, 'positive rep' can be used for the same purpose.....

[KCL]

I disagree. The Freak was a much more.....vicious....place than here. And at the moment, 'positive rep' can be used for the same purpose.....

I am not talking about the people who came from the
Freak...I am talking about others.


Plus alot of stuff that took place there will not go here...if people
get too out of line!

Per the discussion that Tned started.

[ApaOps5]

Points mean jack shit on Orangemane.com and we have neg rep. It still effective and useful. I rarely use it but when I come across a post that warrants it I like having it. Its a way of letting a person know in a personal way they suck.

[TXBRONC]

That's the nice thing about not having a point system (although I'm in favor one). Getting a neg rep won't hurt your points, so it shouldn't get anybody in a big tizzy. As for it being divisive, I suppose it could be. Neg rep as it was used on the Freak was a fun and non divisive thing, it was usually used to jest.

My experience has been much a lot different than yours, of course I was also frequenting a different message board.

[KCL]

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I doubt it would be used like this on this board...not all of the time
anyhow!


My experience has been much a lot different than yours, of course I also frequenting a different message board.

That is why I posted this.

[Watchthemiddle]

That's the nice thing about not having a point system (although I'm in favor one). Getting a neg rep won't hurt your points, so it shouldn't get anybody in a big tizzy. As for it being divisive, I suppose it could be. Neg rep as it was used on the Freak was a fun and non divisive thing, it was usually used to jest.

For 92% of us, it wouldn't cause a tizzy...but for the rest.....

[TXBRONC]

That is why I posted this.

I know dat because we are bestest friends. :D

[SR]

For 92% of us, it wouldn't cause a tizzy...but for the rest.....

As I've said many, many times before...when the advisory board was in place, and probably still somewhat now, this site was/is all about appeasing the minority.


I kind of miss having a CP system.

[MOtorboat]

Don't want to offend anyone...

[KCL]

Don't want to offend anyone...

since when?

[MOtorboat]

since when?

Well...no offense, but a lot of the people that came over from BM seem to have a problem with any sort of system that will lead to them being offended, i.e., a rep system.

It was implemented well at BF, maybe not at BM, but it can be implemented if the people implementing it are fair, which the mods are here.

I see a common thread amongst previous BM members that sees them being offended by receiving any negative feedback.

That's just the way I see it.

And, if you think that the "crap" that went on at BF doesn't happen here, your dead wrong. Personally, I'm sick and tired of pot-stirrers getting away with whatever they want to, without any retribution. You can personally attack anyone, over and over and over here, as long is its somewhat subtle, and all you get is a PM. That doesn't stop anything. IMO, there's got to be something more. I'm sick and tired of certain members looking down on others knowing there is no retribution for their actions, other than some PM. The mods do NOT have enough power here, and part of it could be solved with a Rep system.

Am I guilty of attack some of these posters? Yes, but only because the mods have no real way of punishing them. That's where the rep system needs to be utilized and implemented.

We're getting to the point, where something has to be done other than a PM or a stern post from a mod. Either they need more power, or we need a rep system, or both.

That's just the simple facts of it. Human beings need to be in check somehow, if we're not, we run a muck. That's not some philosophical idea of a perfect society, it's reality.

Give the mods some real power.

Implement a rep system.

[KCL]

Over at BM when a person reached a certain level (status) you were
able to give negs...I reached the highest level there (rof) Top correct me if
I am wrong on that...anyway...sorry but negs do not stop anyone (at least IMO from being on BM) from posting the way they are going to post...I hope
that makes sense.

CPs and Negs are ridiculous IMO...At least I see it that way since we do not
have them over here.

Ban people if they get out of line if the mods have already warned them however many times Tned and the mods decide on...Like I posted earlier
Tned has a discussion on this started....you know that.

Personally I could care less if someone posting here likes me or not.If someone has a problem with me (and yes there is one who does) then thats
their problem.

I don't see negs as a way to stop people from insulting one another.IMO it simply does not work.

[KCL]

Well...no offense, but a lot of the people that came over from BM seem to have a problem with any sort of system that will lead to them being offended, i.e., a rep system.

It was implemented well at BF, maybe not at BM, but it can be implemented if the people implementing it are fair, which the mods are here.

I see a common thread amongst previous BM members that sees them being offended by receiving any negative feedback.

That's just the way I see it.

And, if you think that the "crap" that went on at BF doesn't happen here, your dead wrong. Personally, I'm sick and tired of pot-stirrers getting away with whatever they want to, without any retribution. You can personally attack anyone, over and over and over here, as long is its somewhat subtle, and all you get is a PM. That doesn't stop anything. IMO, there's got to be something more. I'm sick and tired of certain members looking down on others knowing there is no retribution for their actions, other than some PM. The mods do NOT have enough power here, and part of it could be solved with a Rep system.

Am I guilty of attack some of these posters? Yes, but only because the mods have no real way of punishing them. That's where the rep system needs to be utilized and implemented.

We're getting to the point, where something has to be done other than a PM or a stern post from a mod. Either they need more power, or we need a rep system, or both.

That's just the simple facts of it. Human beings need to be in check somehow, if we're not, we run a muck. That's not some philosophical idea of a perfect society, it's reality.

Give the mods some real power.

Implement a rep system.

I have read plenty of negative feedback on post people make to each other.
I don't think were offended by negative feedback at all.I see it all the time in
P and R...people do not and never will always agree and negs will not change that.

[Davii]

I said come on Mom, you'll ruin my rep!

She said you're only 16 and you don't have a rep yet.

[Davii]

Would we call it a Low Five?

[MOtorboat]

Over at BM when a person reached a certain level (status) you were
able to give negs...I reached the highest level there (rof) Top correct me if
I am wrong on that...anyway...sorry but negs do not stop anyone (at least IMO from being on BM) from posting the way they are going to post...I hope
that makes sense.

CPs and Negs are ridiculous IMO...At least I see it that way since we do not
have them over here.

Ban people if they get out of line if the mods have already warned them however many times Tned and the mods decide on...Like I posted earlier
Tned has a discussion on this started....you know that.

Personally I could care less if someone posting here likes me or not.If someone has a problem with me (and yes there is one who does) then thats
their problem.

I don't see negs as a way to stop people from insulting one another.IMO it simply does not work.

Either way, the Mods have too little power here, imo.

I should have been banned twice by top, but he didn't have the authority to do it. Why was it? Because I got into it with someone who was egging it on.

There's no real retribution here for something you say.

IMO, a rep system is part of it.

At BF MANY big rep people got banned on a regular basis.

[KCL]

Either way, the Mods have too little power here, imo.

I should have been banned twice by top, but he didn't have the authority to do it. Why was it? Because I got into it with someone who was egging it on.

There's no real retribution here for something you say.

IMO, a rep system is part of it.

At BF MANY big rep people got banned on a regular basis.

It just wouldn't be the same around here if you were getting banned and
banned and banned and banned and banned!

[MOtorboat]

It just wouldn't be the same around here if you were getting banned and
banned and banned and banned and banned!

But the point is I wouldn't be banned if this could be controlled through rep and Mod authority.

I get carried away, just as others do. I need governed, dammit.

[KCL]

But the point is I wouldn't be banned if this could be controlled through rep and Mod authority.

I get carried away, just as others do. I need governed, dammit.

Nah....you are just fine! But if you really think you deserve to be banned
I can have a word with Top about it.

[MOtorboat]

Nah....you are just fine! But if you really think you deserve to be banned
I can have a word with Top about it.

LOL, top would probably agree with me. I was out of line.

[Davii]

LOL, top would probably agree with me. I was out of line.

At least you're big enough to admit it?

Yeah, we should have a neg rep, I deserve it for that.

[MOtorboat]

OK...I've got a better working of how BM worked, but trust me, if we implement it how it worked at BF...it will be MUCH better.

Trust me.

PM me for details...Turftoad, should be able to show how it should work as well.

I think this needs to be implemented and talked about. Not the stupid BM way, but the way it worked at BF.

[KCL]

OK...I've got a better working of how BM worked, but trust me, if we implement it how it worked at BF...it will be MUCH better.

Trust me.

PM me for details...Turftoad, should be able to show how it should work as well.

I think this needs to be implemented and talked about. Not the stupid BM way, but the way it worked at BF.

BM and BF sounds funny....:lol:

[claymore]

Its like flipping someone off. I imagine 2 posters would get the brunt of it...... But Socialisim sucks.....

BTW......... Its a good way to tell someone you like that they need kicked in the nuts, or Taco................ IMO...

[Day1BroncoFan]

I'm against a rep system of any kind, positive or negative.

That being said I think there is a thread discussing the possibility of giving out more suspensions or bannings.

The only way I would be OK with it is if the person giving the neg could not be anonymous. I also think that if it involves a point system the person recieving negs should be able to appeal and possibly reverse those negs even to the point of applying those negs to the initiator.

[MOtorboat]

I'm against a rep system of any kind, positive or negative.

That being said I think there is a thread discussing the possibility of giving out more suspensions or bannings.

The only way I would be OK with it is if the person giving the neg could not be anonymous. I also think that if it involves a point system the person recieving negs should be able to appeal and possibly reverse those negs even to the point of applying those negs to the initiator.

I really don't think you understand how a real rep system works. No one gets preferential treatment. I am going to PM Tned tomorrow and show him how a rep system CAN work.

[MOtorboat]

BM's system was totally abused.

[Tned]

As I've said many, many times before...when the advisory board was in place, and probably still somewhat now, this site was/is all about appeasing the minority.


I kind of miss having a CP system.

I know you have said it, but I would disagree with the statement. The early Town Hall and other discussions about neg rep and Points indicated that most people did not want them. The threads still exist, so you can take a look.

It might be that ONLY the minority speaks ups, but since the AB, nor I, were or are mind readers, we can only go by feedback in the Town Hall threads.

Some perfect examples are that the minority you speak of was not in favor of a lounge, and not in favor of loosening up the censor filter and allowing more acronyms, such as WTH (which you were intimately familiar with when it wasn't allowed).

As I have said before, no subject is taboo to have a Town hall discussion about and if it is clear that a clear majority of the message board wants something, we will do it (provided there are no legal or financial implications on my part). If on the other hand the message board is 'split' on something, then I (and in the past the advisory board) will make a judgment call as to moving forward with something that the message board is split on.

[MOtorboat]

I know you have said it, but I would disagree with the statement. The early Town Hall and other discussions about neg rep and Points indicated that most people did not want them. The threads still exist, so you can take a look.

It might be that ONLY the minority speaks ups, but since the AB, nor I, were or are mind readers, we can only go by feedback in the Town Hall threads.

Some perfect examples are that the minority you speak of was not in favor of a lounge, and not in favor of loosening up the censor filter and allowing more acronyms, such as WTH (which you were intimately familiar with when it wasn't allowed).

As I have said before, no subject is taboo to have a Town hall discussion about and if it is clear that a clear majority of the message board wants something, we will do it (provided there are no legal or financial implications on my part). If on the other hand the message board is 'split' on something, then I (and in the past the advisory board) will make a judgment call as to moving forward with something that the message board is split on.

Tned, I think the majority of the former BM posters have a legitimate beef, because the system was stupid. I think, if you listen to us former BF posters, that we have a system that can work.

[Day1BroncoFan]

I really don't think you understand how a real rep system works. No one gets preferential treatment. I am going to PM Tned tomorrow and show him how a rep system CAN work.

I understand how the only one I have ever seen worked, and yes it was as real as it gets on a message board.

I really meant what I said, I think you are misunderstanding the point.

[MOtorboat]

I understand how the only one I have ever seen worked, and yes it was as real as it gets on a message board.

I really meant what I said, I think you are misunderstanding the point.

I really don't think that many understand how a rep system can work for the benefit of all, because of their experiences at the BM.

[Tned]

But the point is I wouldn't be banned if this could be controlled through rep and Mod authority.

I get carried away, just as others do. I need governed, dammit.

I look forward to the PM on the rep system. I don't think it will be too much of a surprise, because I think the 'Other BF' (broncosfreak.com) had it setup in a pretty standard vBulltein way, but with the addition that the Salutes/hi-fives also added to the rep.

As to the rep system being an alternative to the mods having more authority, i am having trouble following that one. Are you saying that you think people will be so concerned about their rep and getting negs for bad behavior, that they will behave better and not need to be disciplined by the mods?

Also, for those that don't know, in the same way that BM gave new perks and titles with CP, the rep system can be setup with things like a person can't create a thread until they have a certain amount of rep, if their rep is negative, they can lose privelages, etc. There are quite a few possibilities of how it can be setup, if we choose to go that route.

I think one of the biggest mistakes BM made was having CP/Rep anonymous, as well as only allowing high CP people the ability to neg.

[Day1BroncoFan]

I really don't think that many understand how a rep system can work for the benefit of all, because of their experiences at the BM.

I don't see any possitive to it. If you don't like something someone says, tell them. You can PM them, post in the same thread and quote them.

The bad taste from BM comes from people that would do it just because they disagree with what you said. They could do it anonymously so you could not tell who had done it so there was no accountablity.

I only got negs twice but still it just seemed like a cowards way to do it.

[Tned]

Tned, I think the majority of the former BM posters have a legitimate beef, because the system was stupid. I think, if you listen to us former BF posters, that we have a system that can work.

I can't disagree with you, since the vast majority of vBulletin sites out there use the rep system. In many places, BM tried to get 'cute' with their implementations, rather than do things in more standard ways. They did it with CP,and it eventually backfired, they did it with IP and it backfired day 1.

[MOtorboat]

I don't see any possitive to it. If you don't like something someone says, tell them. You can PM them, post in the same thread and quote them.

The bad taste from BM comes from people that would do it just because they disagree with what you said. They could do it anonymously so you could not tell who had done it so there was no accountablity.

I only got negs twice but still it just seemed like a cowards way to do it.

I think, as I've said, that you're missing the point altogether.

Yes, if someone disagrees with you, they can neg-rep you, but that will NEVER count towards a banning, it's just to show people where you stand.

I expect that this will never be implemented, because the BM members will never agree to it, but I think that something HAS to be implemented.

[claymore]

Neg rep wa between te poster and the person that read it and disagreed. Like today when I said something bad about Che Guevara. Someone could have told me I am a douche bag in private........... Just like the salute.......... But not in public.

Might be a bad Idea...... Might be good. I enjoyed it though. I did it 99% more to remind my friends that they sucked at life. Just me though...........

[BroncoBJ]

:lol: I got negs a lot. Usually unsigned so I got use to it. But whatever happens here works for me.
The Cp System use to be cool for me but then After a while I got cps anyways and my love for CP's faded away. :lol:
It was cool when it 1st started cause I loved to read my comments in my CP's.
Even if they were worth 0 points or 10 points. I always like seeing comments in my things.
Thats why the High 5 system thing made things sad cause I don't get any comments anymore. Just high 5's here and there :(

Its all gewd though.

And I'm a BM Member and anything works for me.
Lets get the Maners opinions on things though. I heard that thier the smartest of the bunch. :elefant:

[Davii]

I can't disagree with you, since the vast majority of vBulletin sites out there use the rep system. In many places, BM tried to get 'cute' with their implementations, rather than do things in more standard ways. They did it with CP,and it eventually backfired, they did it with IP and it backfired day 1.

What's IP? I assume we're not talking "Internet Protocal" addressing?

[Day1BroncoFan]

I think, as I've said, that you're missing the point altogether.

Yes, if someone disagrees with you, they can neg-rep you, but that will NEVER count towards a banning, it's just to show people where you stand.

I expect that this will never be implemented, because the BM members will never agree to it, but I think that something HAS to be implemented.

On BM getting negged didn't count anything as far as getting banned or suspended, it was just points off your CP points. The problem I had with it is that no one would own up to giving you the negs. Like I said, I think it was a cowards way of doing it.

It the negs don't have any points attached to them I don't see what value they would serve better that just telling the person you don't agree or what ever.

Maybe I would have to experience it myself to understand what you are saying since I have no idea how the system was implemented at BF.

I go to a lot of different boards and BM was the only one that has a point system in place of any kind.

[Day1BroncoFan]

What's IP? I assume we're not talking "Internet Protocal" addressing?

Infraction Points. :salute:

[Tned]

What's IP? I assume we're not talking "Internet Protocal" addressing?

IP=Infraction Points

[Davii]

IP=Infraction Points

That was retarded. That is what spawned this site more than anything. We could've worked with the white bg, or kept on Steve to change it, but the way they did that system was too much.

Hell. I checked in day before yesterday. first time in a LOOOONG time. Realzied I had no CP, but that damn IP was still sitting there.

[OB]

Well...no offense, but a lot of the people that came over from BM seem to have a problem with any sort of system that will lead to them being offended, i.e., a rep system.

It was implemented well at BF, maybe not at BM, but it can be implemented if the people implementing it are fair, which the mods are here.

I see a common thread amongst previous BM members that sees them being offended by receiving any negative feedback.

That's just the way I see it.

And, if you think that the "crap" that went on at BF doesn't happen here, your dead wrong. Personally, I'm sick and tired of pot-stirrers getting away with whatever they want to, without any retribution. You can personally attack anyone, over and over and over here, as long is its somewhat subtle, and all you get is a PM. That doesn't stop anything. IMO, there's got to be something more. I'm sick and tired of certain members looking down on others knowing there is no retribution for their actions, other than some PM. The mods do NOT have enough power here, and part of it could be solved with a Rep system.

Am I guilty of attack some of these posters? Yes, but only because the mods have no real way of punishing them. That's where the rep system needs to be utilized and implemented.

We're getting to the point, where something has to be done other than a PM or a stern post from a mod. Either they need more power, or we need a rep system, or both.

That's just the simple facts of it. Human beings need to be in check somehow, if we're not, we run a muck. That's not some philosophical idea of a perfect society, it's reality.

Give the mods some real power.

Implement a rep system.


Over at BM when a person reached a certain level (status) you were
able to give negs...I reached the highest level there (rof) Top correct me if
I am wrong on that...anyway...sorry but negs do not stop anyone (at least IMO from being on BM) from posting the way they are going to post...I hope
that makes sense.

CPs and Negs are ridiculous IMO...At least I see it that way since we do not
have them over here.

Ban people if they get out of line if the mods have already warned them however many times Tned and the mods decide on...Like I posted earlier
Tned has a discussion on this started....you know that.

Personally I could care less if someone posting here likes me or not.If someone has a problem with me (and yes there is one who does) then thats
their problem.

I don't see negs as a way to stop people from insulting one another.IMO it simply does not work.


I really don't think that many understand how a rep system can work for the benefit of all, because of their experiences at the BM.


I think, as I've said, that you're missing the point altogether.

Yes, if someone disagrees with you, they can neg-rep you, but that will NEVER count towards a banning, it's just to show people where you stand.

I expect that this will never be implemented, because the BM members will never agree to it, but I think that something HAS to be implemented.

If it is like a high five - private etc- no negative results - its seems implementable - on the other hand i can see it leading to a lot of animosity on a personal leverl - just think of the neg reps between me and tubs- :eek:

I didnt get negged over at BM unless it was in a joking matter but why not just tell someone via PM they are an a-hole :questionmark:

[tubby]

No points, just red dots to paint with. Ohh, and ban MO I think his stumpy ass is drunk again.

[claymore]

Red dots were never anonymous...............I cant spell, and Im drunk so FU MB............. But............. For the freaks........ If the mods were not around, we would all "Ride" to the raiders fan troll and he would get banned if his points were negative........... I think:confused:......... Any who........... If someone sucked......... you could let him know why.......... But instead of a green Dot........... It was red. Doesnt matter... A little more fun if your mad in PR............. But might end up being more over head.........

This place will never be perfect. But it is damn close........

[Escobar]

As I've said many, many times before...when the advisory board was in place, and probably still somewhat now, this site was/is all about appeasing the minority.


I kind of miss having a CP system.

Yea right.

[dogfish]

no. . . just no!


for the life of me i can't understand what the big friggin' attraction about a stupid rep system is, positive or negative. . . i just don't get it. . . of the primary broncos boards, i believe this is the only one that doesn't have one-- and i also believe this is the best board around. . .


why **** with a good thing when it just isn't necessary? anyone who feels a burning need for a rep system can always go hang out with the 12-year olds at broncos country, right? leave this place the way it is! please-- pretty please. . .

[Escobar]

They just want to input one so they can neg me all the time ....make me feel like im wrong and such n such. **EDIT**

[OB]

Red dots were never anonymous...............I cant spell, and Im drunk so FU MB............. But............. For the freaks........ If the mods were not around, we would all "Ride" to the raiders fan troll and he would get banned if his points were negative........... I think:confused:......... Any who........... If someone sucked......... you could let him know why.......... But instead of a green Dot........... It was red. Doesnt matter... A little more fun if your mad in PR............. But might end up being more over head.........

This place will never be perfect. But it is damn close........

Stop acting like your being drunk has anything to do with your spelling n grammar :coffee:




































;) :hug:

[OB]

They just want to input one so they can neg me all the time ....make me feel like im wrong and such n such.

Can u say P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A :lol:

or maybe u bring it upon yourself (ps i dont know this from experience BTW :lol: )

[BCJ]

Neg rep is a very powerful tool to someones ego. I had an incident with a poster at the Mane that didnt like the fact that I called him out on my Sig. He decided he would neg rep me every post he saw. So, it turned into a neg rep back n forth (basically he needs pos rep to get him through the day). I told him i would keep it up until he stops for a week. He finally realize that is best and we both ended it. If I deserve it, fine but it brings opinions to a private and personal level. Man up! Everything is not beautiful and fluffy in the world. This shouldnt be any different. Well, besides it is in make believe world of the internet. Bring it on!

[dogfish]

IMO, the whole concept of "reputation" on an internet message board is gayer than phyllis rivers in bed with a bunch of chippendales. . .



just sayin'. . . .

[TXBRONC]

Neg rep is a very powerful tool to someones ego. I had an incident with a poster at the Mane that didnt like the fact that I called him out on my Sig. He decided he would neg rep me every post he saw. So, it turned into a neg rep back n forth (basically he needs pos rep to get him through the day). I told him i would keep it up until he stops for a week. He finally realize that is best and we both ended it. If I deserve it, fine but it brings opinions to a private and personal level. Man up! Everything is not beautiful and fluffy in the world. This shouldnt be any different. Well, besides it is in make believe world of the internet. Bring it on!

What I've highlighted are two of the best arguments for not having a neg rep system. True this message board like every other message board isn't perfect however, bringing in neg rep system wont make it any better. We don't need neg rep system to have pissing contests.

[Timmy!]

So......ummmmm...ya. We need a CP system and neg rep. You can all neg rep me to death every single day if we get it :D

[MOtorboat]

NM...clearly former BM members won't really even listen to the idea because that's how bad it was at BM, so I'm not even going to waste my time. Seems like people are way too afraid of getting their feelings hurt than trying to reel in some of the flaming in threads, so meh, whatever.

[TXBRONC]

NM...clearly former BM members won't really even listen to the idea because that's how bad it was at BM, so I'm not even going to waste my time. Seems like people are way too afraid of getting their feelings hurt than trying to reel in some of the flaming in threads, so meh, whatever.

You're accusing me and several others of not listening because were not in favor of it. I for do not appreciate being called closed minded about the issue when all we're doing is discussing an idea. If this comes to a vote and more people are in favor of it than are opposed so be it.

By the way, I think you are sadly mistaken if you think this will reign people who flame others. All I see it doing is taking flaming to a new level.

[Davii]

Viva La Negs!

[MOtorboat]

You're accusing me and several others of not listening because were not in favor of it. I for do not appreciate being called closed minded about the issue when all we're doing is discussing an idea. If this comes to a vote and more people are in favor of it than are opposed so be it.

By the way, I think you are sadly mistaken if you think this will reign people who flame others. All I see it doing is taking flaming to a new level.

Like I said, nevermind.

[Davii]

Like I said, nevermind.

Never surrender MB! Viva La Negs!

[elsid13]

I don't understand what value adding rep system gives a board. If not used for anything then all this does is potential cause problems between posters. Now if you to use it weed out members that are general hated by the board that one thing (i.e. get 100 neg reps a week and you're suspended) that another issue.

If not then it better to have conflict out in the open, then bring behind the doors of rep system.

BTW - I still looking to cash in my High 5 points, and went to Dove Valley they refuse to accept them for Cheerleader I want. What the **** up with that?

[Davii]

I don't understand what value adding rep system gives a board. If not used for anything then all this does is potential cause problems between posters. Now if you to use it weed out members that are general hated by the board that one thing (i.e. get 100 neg reps a week and you're suspended) that another issue.

If not then it better to have conflict out in the open, then bring behind the doors of rep system.

BTW - I still looking to cash in my High 5 points, and went to Dove Valley they refuse to accept them for Cheerleader I want. What the **** up with that?

They're only good for coffee at IHOP. Twenty high fives and a $1.50 gets you a bottomless carafe of crap.

[MOtorboat]

I don't understand what value adding rep system gives a board. If not used for anything then all this does is potential cause problems between posters. Now if you to use it weed out members that are general hated by the board that one thing (i.e. get 100 neg reps a week and you're suspended) that another issue.

If not then it better to have conflict out in the open, then bring behind the doors of rep system.

BTW - I still looking to cash in my High 5 points, and went to Dove Valley they refuse to accept them for Cheerleader I want. What the **** up with that?

Yeah, because the anonymous "reported post" thing is so great. :rolleyes:

Nothing beats a PM from a mod two or three hours after a post, because someone not even involved in the conversation was "offended"

[elsid13]

They're only good for coffee at IHOP. Twenty high fives and a $1.50 gets you a bottomless carafe of crap.

IHOP 24 hours of breakfast, sweet.

[Mike]

I can see why the Freaks like the neg rep. You guys are a tight group with a good sense of humor. I am sure you had fun with it and I think that it could be a funny addition to our boards.

When used in fun, it's all good...but I have a feeling that when neg repped in seriousness it will cause problems...

Put up a poll...see what the majority of people want now.

[Davii]

Should we have Neg Reps?

Understand that this might require certain other additions to the boards encoding. It would be hard to neg rep if the positive ones don't really count etc.

[elsid13]

Yeah, because the anonymous "reported post" thing is so great. :rolleyes:

Nothing beats a PM from a mod two or three hours after a post, because someone not even involved in the conversation was "offended"

I would get rid of that to. If the post is within the message board rules, then complainer needs to live with it. That way the mods don't need to make subjective call if valid or not. There nothing that says that everyone needs to be happy on private Internet message board

But I am from the mane, we are little more viscous to other's opinion then normal folks.

[Rex]

I can see why the Freaks like the neg rep. You guys are a tight group with a good sense of humor. I am sure you had fun with it and I think that it could be a funny addition to our boards.

When used in fun, it's all good...but I have a feeling that when neg repped in seriousness it will cause problems...

Put up a poll...see what the majority of people want now.


Oh, it will cause problems....especially when I call code red on Slim for being a dumbass.:coffee:

[claymore]

Oh, it will cause problems....especially when I call code red on Slim for being a dumbass.:coffee:I miss Neg repping you and DC the most. It gave me that feeling like I just mowed my lawn, or washed the car or something.

[Rex]

I miss Neg repping you and DC the most. It gave me that feeling like I just mowed my lawn, or washed the car or something.

Oh dont worry, I would have unlimited red paint for your sorry ass too.

[Mike]

Davii, you are all right...I don't care what the socialists/communists say.

[Davii]

Davii, you are all right...I don't care what the socialists/communists say.

Funny thing, neither do I. :laugh:

[claymore]

Oh dont worry, I would have unlimited red paint for your sorry ass too.Not here. Im your superior. Better start showing some respect mister.

[Rex]

Not here. Im your superior. Better start showing some respect mister.

Blow me.:shocked:

[SR]

I don't either. Can I be in the Davii/Mike cool club? I'm already in Mike's cool club since I'm part of the United Veterans of Moderatorship of America Foundation For Little Kids Without Teeth Association for America.

[Davii]

I don't either. Can I be in the Davii/Mike cool club? I'm already in Mike's cool club since I'm part of the United Veterans of Moderatorship of America Foundation For Little Kids Without Teeth Association for America.

Dude, how do you join? I would love to get a patch with all that on it for my Members Only jacket!

[Joel]

I'm still trying to sound out the acronym (FYI, prepositions USUALLY aren't included in acronyms, and never capitalized in titles unless they're the first word, just like with articles; "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" not "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof" and no, I don't really know why.... )

I gotta vote "no; " I leave enough problems in my wake 'round here as it is....

Funny thing is I can't remember having a post deleted here or at Broncomania, or being negged or any of that. When you're REALLY cool you can make people want to skin you alive without breaking any rules.... :cool:

Example: I'd post MY favorite Stevenson quote, but I don't think ya'll wanna hear it (or hear it again, as the case may be... ) and this isn't really the place.... ;)

There, alternate smilies, complete with animation; nemme anone.... :lol:

[ApaOps5]

If you only implement Neg rep to have fun with it then you have wasted the purpose. You have neg rep so that the board members can self police. Someone crosses the line many members will neg rep them.

I also agree that rep should not be anonymous. When you know who neg or pos repped you then you can make contact with them.

By the way if anyone is worried about someone going nuts and rep stalking you can make that a bannable offense as well.

[Day1BroncoFan]

I voted no for the same reasons I've stated in the last three or four threads on this subject.

If it comes to having negs they should NOT be anonymous.

I am really against it.

[Joel]

I voted no for the same reasons I've stated in the last three or four threads on this subject.

If it comes to having negs they should NOT be anonymous.

I am really against it.
I can see both sides of that; you don't want retaliation, but you don't want "hey, it's a post by so-and-so; I hate that conservative/liberal/religious/non-religious/etc. SOB so I'm gonna anonymously neg all his posts and cause him trouble. " And a system that doesn't mean anything...doesn't mean anything; it's just a way for the rival factions and cliques that form any time you get >2 humans in the same place to snipe at each other. I'd rather keep it as is: You see something you think is out of line, or skirts the line, report it and let the people who've earned responsibility for making that call make that call. End of the day, socialist or no, it's Tneds site and he can do what he pleases with it, and so can anyone else he allows to do so on the terms he sets. It's a credit to the lot of them that they even bother to solicit our (unnecessary) input, let alone as often and responsively as they do. Yet another reason I'm inclined to leave things as they are; if ain't broke, don't fix it and, above all, don't screw it up trying....

[Dreadnought]

no. . . just no!


for the life of me i can't understand what the big friggin' attraction about a stupid rep system is, positive or negative. . . i just don't get it. . . of the primary broncos boards, i believe this is the only one that doesn't have one-- and i also believe this is the best board around. . .


why **** with a good thing when it just isn't necessary? anyone who feels a burning need for a rep system can always go hang out with the 12-year olds at broncos country, right? leave this place the way it is! please-- pretty please. . .

I'm with you here. I hated the neg rep system on BF, so much so that I didn't post all that much there. The lack of it is one of the many things that makes this a better site. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you've got something to say to another poster - post it. If you can't do it with decent manners, work on your writing skills. I agree 100% that the mods here need some more power. I think the vast majority of us trust them implicitly. Those that don't might consider why.

[topscribe]

As I've said many, many times before...when the advisory board was in place, and probably still somewhat now, this site was/is all about appeasing the minority.


I kind of miss having a CP system.

You know, it is ironic and sad you feel you can say this even once about
the ONLY board that directly and purposely seeks the input of the general
membership here before a rule is put into place.

The Mods here moderate according to the Rules and Guidelines. That's it. Our
discussions in that area center on those rules and guidelines. Is it a violation
of a rule, or is it not? That is with anybody, male or female, conservative or
liberal, Broncos fan or rival fan, Christian or Muslim or Jew or atheist.

Yes, there are gray areas where we have to make judgments. When that
happens, going by the principle that "there is wisdom in the multitude of
counsel," we take it before the other Mods and discuss it, and the final
conclusion and resulting action is commensurate with that discussion.

It behooves all who think they have been picked on to carefully read the
Rules and Guidelines and find out why they have been corrected so often.
We have members here who have never received even one corrective PM
from a Mod, and others who have received no more than one or two. It's
notable that we are not hearing from them about how unfair we are.

I guess they just don't have anything to worry about. :coffee:

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[Rex]

I would neg rep Buff until he quit the game.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I think if you have any type of pos. rep you should have a neg. as well. No one uses it much at all but saved for something big, stupid, dumb, ect. or any rival fan for what ever reason you want (dont worry KCLady Im talking about the stupid ones).

[topscribe]

If you only implement Neg rep to have fun with it then you have wasted the purpose. You have neg rep so that the board members can self police. Someone crosses the line many members will neg rep them.

I also agree that rep should not be anonymous. When you know who neg or pos repped you then you can make contact with them.

By the way if anyone is worried about someone going nuts and rep stalking you can make that a bannable offense as well.

Yes, and that is happening on another board right now. A group of immature
posters with neg powers have gotten together and formed a "Neg Squad" to
hide behind that, so they don't have to identify themselves, and dole out
negs in sort of a vigilante process. I predicted that would happen because
that power was too easy to attain. (This is not a criticism of that board,
but that of those few who have done it over there.)

But that whole system is corrupt. It is ironic that those who have the least
regard for a CP (rep)/neg system are among the all-time top CP points
leaders there. We have seen how the CP has become a form of currency
because its accumulation leads to a certain status and privileges. (On a
stupid football message board . . . it's like, get a life, y'know?)

I'm not purposely trying to sway anybody's opinion here. But I thought
everyone should know some of the history behind the whole CP/rep thing
so maybe we can avoid past mistakes. :whoknows:

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[Rex]

Yes, and that is happening on another board right now. A group of immature
posters with neg powers have gotten together and formed a "Neg Squad" to
hide behind that, so they don't have to identify themselves, and dole out
negs in sort of a vigilante process. I predicted that would happen because
that power was too easy to attain. (This is not a criticism of that board,
but that of those few who have done it over there.)

But that whole system is corrupt. It is ironic that those who have the least
regard for a CP (rep)/neg system are among the all-time top CP points
leaders there. We have seen how the CP has become a form of currency
because its accumulation leads to a certain status and privileges. (On a
stupid football message board . . . it's like, get a life, y'know?)

I'm not purposely trying to sway anybody's opinion here. But I thought
everyone should know some of the history behind the whole CP/rep thing
so maybe we can avoid past mistakes. :whoknows:

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That is like when I called a Code Red on Slim at the Freak and we pounded him into submission.

[BroncoJoe]

That is like when I called a Code Red on Slim at the Freak and we pounded him into submission.

Too bad we couldn't get Obi more.

[tubby]

That is like when I called a Code Red on Slim at the Freak and we pounded him into submission.

The best was neg repping 9798. His g-string would get lodged so far up his ass. :lol:

[Rex]

Too bad we couldn't get Obi more.

I dedicated my life to it.

I swear to you right now on all that is Holy......I neg repped Obi everyday that I signed on the Freak for atleast 2 years.

[Davii]

You all know you're not furthering the neg rep cause with this discussion right?

[BroncoJoe]

I could care less about having rep points, but it would be nice to have a thumb down button like the high five, but opposite.

[MOtorboat]

You all know you're not furthering the neg rep cause with this discussion right?

Doesn't matter, from what I read last night, there's not much of a chance that anything is implemented.

[SR]

I voted no for the same reasons I've stated in the last three or four threads on this subject.

If it comes to having negs they should NOT be anonymous.

I am really against it.

I'd want to make sure who ever I gave a neg to knew it was from me.

[KCL]

NM...clearly former BM members won't really even listen to the idea because that's how bad it was at BM, so I'm not even going to waste my time. Seems like people are way too afraid of getting their feelings hurt than trying to reel in some of the flaming in threads, so meh, whatever.

MB....I can only speak for myself altho I believe I speak for several that
came from BM....We don't get our feelings hurt on a message board...:rolleyes:

[MOtorboat]

I just can't believe it was anonymous at BM. That's just stupid.

Oh, we KNEW who was givin' us neg rep.

[Davii]

Doesn't matter, from what I read last night, there's not much of a chance that anything is implemented.

There's a hell of a chance. See the poll? If people vote in favor of it, it will happen. This site is a democracy. That's why it was established in the first place.


http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14958

[tubby]

If we don't get red dots I blame this post and will hold this puny poster responsible. :coffee:



Well...no offense, but a lot of the people that came over from BM seem to have a problem with any sort of system that will lead to them being offended, i.e., a rep system.

It was implemented well at BF, maybe not at BM, but it can be implemented if the people implementing it are fair, which the mods are here.

I see a common thread amongst previous BM members that sees them being offended by receiving any negative feedback.

That's just the way I see it.

And, if you think that the "crap" that went on at BF doesn't happen here, your dead wrong. Personally, I'm sick and tired of pot-stirrers getting away with whatever they want to, without any retribution. You can personally attack anyone, over and over and over here, as long is its somewhat subtle, and all you get is a PM. That doesn't stop anything. IMO, there's got to be something more. I'm sick and tired of certain members looking down on others knowing there is no retribution for their actions, other than some PM. The mods do NOT have enough power here, and part of it could be solved with a Rep system.

Am I guilty of attack some of these posters? Yes, but only because the mods have no real way of punishing them. That's where the rep system needs to be utilized and implemented.

We're getting to the point, where something has to be done other than a PM or a stern post from a mod. Either they need more power, or we need a rep system, or both.

That's just the simple facts of it. Human beings need to be in check somehow, if we're not, we run a muck. That's not some philosophical idea of a perfect society, it's reality.

Give the mods some real power.

Implement a rep system.

Geez, MO why did you have to go and get a militant?

[topscribe]

MB....I can only speak for myself altho I believe I speak for several that
came from BM....We don't get our feelings hurt on a message board...:rolleyes:

I think you're talking about me.

Consider your post reported. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thannoyed.gif

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[Rex]

If we don't get red dots I blame this post and will hold this puny poster responsible. :coffee:




Geez, MO why did you have to go and get a militant?


He is an executive. He gets results.:coffee:

[Lonestar]

One can also send a negative comment with the MHS, just tell them they are dumb ass.

I use this function already when I see someone that have misquoted some thing and do not want to post it in an open forum.. Less embarrassing to some that way..

You can not attack them that way as they are visible to ADMIN. And something like that will get you a vacation, just like any attack..

A few on here have already received that..

[MOtorboat]

One can also send a negative comment with the MHS, just tell them they are dumb ass.

I use this function already when I see someone that have misquoted some thing and do not want to post it in an open forum.. Less embarrassing to some that way..

You can not attack them that way as they are visible to ADMIN. And something like that will get you a vacation, just like any attack..

A few on here have already received that..

With ours, it was just like MHS, there was an option for "Positive" and one for "Negative" I forget the actual terminology. You checked the one you were giving and fired it away. It popped up on your CP with a red dot instead of a green dot just like the Salute and MHS system works right now, and you KNEW who was giving you shit.

[Davii]

With ours, it was just like MHS, there was an option for "Positive" and one for "Negative" I forget the actual terminology. You checked the one you were giving and fired it away. It popped up on your CP with a red dot instead of a green dot just like the Salute and MHS system works right now, and you KNEW who was giving you shit.

Other than seeing it pop up what were the consequences?

Was your CP count visible to the community?
Were there any benefits to having a high cp count?
If a neg was received did the person receiving it then have "swift kick in the nuts" retaliatory button?

[Slick]

Yes, and that is happening on another board right now. A group of immature
posters with neg powers have gotten together and formed a "Neg Squad" to
hide behind that, so they don't have to identify themselves, and dole out
negs in sort of a vigilante process. I predicted that would happen because
that power was too easy to attain. (This is not a criticism of that board,
but that of those few who have done it over there.)

But that whole system is corrupt. It is ironic that those who have the least
regard for a CP (rep)/neg system are among the all-time top CP points
leaders there. We have seen how the CP has become a form of currency
because its accumulation leads to a certain status and privileges. (On a
stupid football message board . . . it's like, get a life, y'know?)

I'm not purposely trying to sway anybody's opinion here. But I thought
everyone should know some of the history behind the whole CP/rep thing
so maybe we can avoid past mistakes. :whoknows:

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I saw that "Neg Squad? thread too. I called them out, and then the thread died.



As far as a rep system, I can take it or leave it. I am not as strongly opposed as some, but I do think it could be abused. Not nearly as bad as it was at mania, because I think for the most part the maturity level of this board is much higher.

MB, I think you should still share with Tned, the system you all used at the Freak. Like Davii said, it's a democracy here. Propose the system, and let's vote on it.

[Rex]

I would love to throw some red at NTL.

[claymore]

If we don't get red dots I blame this post and will hold this puny poster responsible. :coffee:
Geez, MO why did you have to go and get a militant?
I know, MB went all Che on us for a minute.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I'd want to make sure who ever I gave a neg to knew it was from me.

I agree with that but to make it public to all may start a mass neg hit from the friends of the one who laid it out. I voted the yes but invisible but by that I meant only the neg giver and taker knew about it.

[Buff]

I would neg rep Buff until he quit the game.

No one is disputing that you're obviously a bad ass...

[Davii]

I agree with that but to make it public to all may start a mass neg hit from the friends of the one who laid it out. I voted the yes but invisible but by that I meant only the neg giver and taker knew about it.

To clarify, the visibility would not show the community who negged who, or even who got negged unless they were very observant.

By Visible I meant that the Reputation of each member be visible to the community as a whole.

You could see someone's "score" go up and down, but not see why, that would still be contained within your user control panel.

[Arkansas Bronco]

To clarify, the visibility would not show the community who negged who, or even who got negged unless they were very observant.

By Visible I meant that the Reputation of each member be visible to the community as a whole.

You could see someone's "score" go up and down, but not see why, that would still be contained within your user control panel.

Then my vote needs to be moved up one I thought by visible it would be like a high 5 and spell it out for everyone.

[NightTrainLayne]

I would love to throw some red at NTL.

Bring it on Brokeback.

[NightTrainLayne]

Then my vote needs to be moved up one I thought by visible it would be like a high 5 and spell it out for everyone.

Me too. I thought that neg rep would show up like a high-five. I don't think that's a good idea, because like high-fives sometimes that button would get punched just because you see that all your buddies already high-fived it too.

I am for a cp system including neg-rep, but I don't really care that much one way or the other.

The best part about the BF system was that the mile-high salutes (high-five here) would add a small amount of positive rep and were unlimited.

However, the neg-reps were limited. You could only hand out so many within a 24 hour period, and no more than one at a time to any individual poster without "spreading around" reputation (either positive or neg) to other poster's as well.

In other words, there was a pretty low ceiling on how many neg's you could really dole out, but virtually unlimited on the positive side with the Mile-high salute.

As Cswil has stated he tried endlessly to lower Obi-Groo's rep, but in reality even though he hit him everyday to the max he never really had an effect.

[claymore]

If we do get this passed. Lets start a group, and we can call them Neggers. And no one will like them.

[MOtorboat]

Other than seeing it pop up what were the consequences?

A couple of points off whatever we called our rep points...

Was your CP count visible to the community?

Yes.

Were there any benefits to having a high cp count?

No. Not really. Members with high cp counts were just as likely to be banned for saying something stupid, as someone with a low count. I gather that that was a real problem at BM.

If a neg was received did the person receiving it then have "swift kick in the nuts" retaliatory button?

That's what we call a "Red Dot Party."

[Buff]

I don't see any positive side to neg rep... The only thing it's designed for is to even out rep systems that allow users to gain points-- If there are no points, it's just another way to be divisive and pit members against one another.

[topscribe]

I saw that "Neg Squad? thread too. I called them out, and then the thread died.



As far as a rep system, I can take it or leave it. I am not as strongly opposed as some, but I do think it could be abused. Not nearly as bad as it was at mania, because I think for the most part the maturity level of this board is much higher.

MB, I think you should still share with Tned, the system you all used at the Freak. Like Davii said, it's a democracy here. Propose the system, and let's vote on it.

I'm not taking a stand here either for it or against it. I'm more interested in
what the members think about it. I'm just saying we need to take a peek at
history and see what transpired there . . . avoid the mistakes and emulate
the successes. :smile:

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[Joel]

Should we have Neg Reps?

Understand that this might require certain other additions to the boards encoding. It would be hard to neg rep if the positive ones don't really count etc.
or at least qualify it: You should have Neg Reps; I should not. :D The perfect solution; don't know why I didn't think of that sooner....

[Rex]

No one is disputing that you're obviously a bad ass...

You are a lost cause.:rolleyes:

[Requiem / The Dagda]

No, but if it is implimented, the person's name who does it is visible; also they must give a reason. ;)

[Buff]

You are a lost cause.:rolleyes:

Someday you will see that you need to be more diverse and accepting of my ******* ways... Just as you've learned to accept Nut and his bipolar disorder.

[MOtorboat]

Someday you will see that you need to be more diverse and accepting of my ******* ways... Just as you've learned to accept Nut and his bipolar disorder.

Damn hippie. Want to sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya while we're at it?

:D

[topscribe]

Someday you will see that you need to be more diverse and accepting of my ******* ways... Just as you've learned to accept Nut and his bipolar disorder.

I don't think you ******* ways are what bothers him.

It's . . . well . . . your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top. :whistle:

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[Buff]

Damn hippie. Want to sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya while we're at it?

:D

Actually MO, I think that might be a good excersise for cswil and I. He needs to become more accepting of those who are different. Next, we will attend an anti-war protest on Pearl Street.

[MOtorboat]

Next, we will attend an anti-war protest on Pearl Street.

Oh shit...that's just downright cruel and unusual.

[Buff]

I don't think you ******* ways are what bothers him.

It's . . . well . . . your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top. :whistle:

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On 2nd thought, I'm all for Neg Rep... :fight:

[MOtorboat]

On 2nd thought, I'm all for Neg Rep... :fight:

:pound:

[Rex]

Someday you will see that you need to be more diverse and accepting of my ******* ways... Just as you've learned to accept Nut and his bipolar disorder.

No. I demand you conform to my way of thinking or be damned.

Buff, look, you have so much damn potential that I just cant sit idly by and watch you turn into Bill Mahr or Al Franken. Dont do it for me, do it for that hot ass girlfriend of yours....someday, a good looking hippy with a nice beard WILL NOT be enough,.

[Northman]

Whats the point? Our reps don't count for anything.


Not only that but what ive seen first hand from the Mane is people getting upset over negative rep and starting pointless rant threads. I like it the way it is.

[Lonestar]

I merged the TWO neg rep threads together so we do not have to reply or comment in both threads..

Thanks to both Timmy and Davii for permission to do so..

[Rex]

I merged the TWO neg rep threads together so we do not have to reply or comment in both threads..

Thanks to both Timmy and Davii for permission to do so..

hahahahaha.........somebody asked Timmy! for permission. :lol:

[Jody]

Not only that but what ive seen first hand from the Mane is people getting upset over negative rep and starting pointless rant threads. I like it the way it is.

Amen to this comment. You want problems on a board? Throw in negs.
That will just make everyone come together and bond like never before. ;)

[Lonestar]

hahahahaha.........somebody asked Timmy! for permission. :lol:


Just as I'd do it from you if you started a thread similar to another one..

Common courtesy..

[KCL]

I think you're talking about me.

Consider your post reported. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thannoyed.gif

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:confused::confused:

Top...if I was talking about you...I would just come out and post
your name...:D

[Rex]

Just as I'd do it from you if you started a thread similar to another one..

Common courtesy..

That doesnt apply to !.

[topscribe]

:confused::confused:

Top...if I was talking about you...I would just come out and post
your name...:D

You just did. See there? :nod:

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[KCL]

You just did. See there? :nod:

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I know....you got me there but you deserved it...:lol:

[KCL]

WTH happened to my quote to tops post...:confused:

I say we take a poll to see if we can get that fixed...:D

[MOtorboat]

WTH happened to my quote to tops post...:confused:

I say we take a poll to see if we can get that fixed...:D

It's called the "]"

:wave:
:2thumbs:

[Northman]

the JOO?

[KCL]

It's called the "]"

:wave:
:2thumbs:

I just hit quote and it ended up like you see it...:tsk:

[Lonestar]

I just hit quote and it ended up like you see it...:tsk:



you must be ] challenged..:salute:

[dogfish]

NM...clearly former BM members won't really even listen to the idea because that's how bad it was at BM, so I'm not even going to waste my time. Seems like people are way too afraid of getting their feelings hurt than trying to reel in some of the flaming in threads, so meh, whatever.

enough, you angry little man! no one is afraid of getting their widdle feewings hurt, we just don't want a rep system. . . over several years i watched mania deteriorate from a killer site into a playground for little twelve year old fanboy d-bags where very few self-respecting adults wanted to post any more, and the sorry-ass rep system had a lot to do with it. . . IMO, our lack of said system is one of the reasons that the irritating little buggers haven't followed us over here-- and it needs to stay that way. . .



If you only implement Neg rep to have fun with it then you have wasted the purpose. You have neg rep so that the board members can self police. Someone crosses the line many members will neg rep them.



in years of using interweb message boards, i have yet to see a troll who gives a shit about rep-- if they did, they wouldn't be trolls in the first place. . . were you guys ever able to run bob off with neg rep?



I'm with you here. I hated the neg rep system on BF, so much so that I didn't post all that much there. The lack of it is one of the many things that makes this a better site. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you've got something to say to another poster - post it. If you can't do it with decent manners, work on your writing skills. I agree 100% that the mods here need some more power. I think the vast majority of us trust them implicitly. Those that don't might consider why.

if this doesn't make it perfectly clear to everyone why we shouldn't impliment said system, i suppose nothing ever will. . . why would you want a system that would limit the contributions of such an excellent member as dread??? let this idea die in the dirt like it should. . . .

[topscribe]

I'm with you here. I hated the neg rep system on BF, so much so that I didn't post all that much there. The lack of it is one of the many things that makes this a better site. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you've got something to say to another poster - post it. If you can't do it with decent manners, work on your writing skills. I agree 100% that the mods here need some more power. I think the vast majority of us trust them implicitly. Those that don't might consider why.

:confused: We're BF . . .

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[KCL]

enough, you angry little man! no one is afraid of getting their widdle feewings hurt, we just don't want a rep system. . . over several years i watched mania deteriorate from a killer site into a playground for little twelve year old fanboy d-bags where very few self-respecting adults wanted to post any more, and the sorry-ass rep system had a lot to do with it. . . IMO, our lack of said system is one of the reasons that the irritating little buggers haven't followed us over here-- and it needs to stay that way. . .




in years of using interweb message boards, i have yet to see a troll who gives a shit about rep-- if they did, they wouldn't be trolls in the first place. . . were you guys ever able to run bob off with neg rep?



if this doesn't make it perfectly clear to everyone why we shouldn't impliment said system, i suppose nothing ever will. . . why would you want a system that would limit the contributions of such an excellent member as dread??? let this idea die in the dirt like it should. . . .

No....but I did hear they ran Jack off....:lol:

opps...sorry...Good Post dog!

[Lonestar]

:confused: We're BF . . .

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I think he meant Bronco Freaks

[Jody]

enough, you angry little man! no one is afraid of getting their widdle feewings hurt, we just don't want a rep system. . . over several years i watched mania deteriorate from a killer site into a playground for little twelve year old fanboy d-bags where very few self-respecting adults wanted to post any more, and the sorry-ass rep system had a lot to do with it. . . IMO, our lack of said system is one of the reasons that the irritating little buggers haven't followed us over here-- and it needs to stay that way. . .

in years of using interweb message boards, i have yet to see a troll who gives a shit about rep-- if they did, they wouldn't be trolls in the first place. . . were you guys ever able to run bob off with neg rep?


dog....I love it when you get angry. I like this side of you. :D
I feel like... :faint:

[Jody]

No....but I did hear they ran Jack off....:lol:

opps...sorry...Good Post dog!

Who the heck is "Jack"? :confused:

[topscribe]

dog....I love it when you get angry. I like this side of you. :D
I feel like... :faint:

I think I just lost a fan . . . http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdissappointed.gif

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[dogfish]

dog....I love it when you get angry. I like this side of you. :D
I feel like... :faint:

you've never seen me when i'm angry. . . irritated is the most i ever get over a message board. . . .



you wouldn't like me when i'm angry. . . . :huh:




:lol:




(couldn't resist)

[KCL]

Who the heck is "Jack"? :confused:

Not sure...:noidea:

[KCL]

you've never seen me when i'm angry. . . irritated is the most i ever get over a message board. . . .



you wouldn't like me when i'm angry. . . . :huh:




:lol:






(couldn't resist)
I bet I would....;)

[Jody]

I think I just lost a fan . . . http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thdissappointed.gif

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As I'm getting older, I'm having a harder time keeping up with all the posting in this thread....especially KCLady's. :lol: Whew...that girl's got conversation skills FAR BEYOND my own. ;) Good thing I can't neg, I'll tell you that right now. I'd have to 'ZAP' somebody. :lol:

I'm still a fan, Tops....till death do us part, or one of us leaves the board. :D

[BroncoBJ]

I saw that "Neg Squad? thread too. I called them out, and then the thread died.



As far as a rep system, I can take it or leave it. I am not as strongly opposed as some, but I do think it could be abused. Not nearly as bad as it was at mania, because I think for the most part the maturity level of this board is much higher.

MB, I think you should still share with Tned, the system you all used at the Freak. Like Davii said, it's a democracy here. Propose the system, and let's vote on it.

:lol: The thread didn't die. :salute:

and :lol: @ this thread

[KCL]

As I'm getting older, I'm having a harder time keeping up with all the posting in this thread....especially KCLady's. :lol: Whew...that girl's got conversation skills FAR BEYOND my own. ;) Good thing I can't neg, I'll tell you that right now. I'd have to 'ZAP' somebody. :lol:

I'm still a fan, Tops....till death do us part, or one of us leaves the board. :D

:rolleyes:

sucking up to the mods I see....I have alot of skills but I bet you have
good skills too!:D

[Northman]

dog....I love it when you get angry. I like this side of you. :D
I feel like... :faint:


your avatar would make an awesome album cover. :D:beer:

[Timmy!]

Looks pretty split so far. We what could do, is try a full blown rep system for 30 days. As previously stated, the maturity level on this board on average is very high. I don't feel like it would be abused. If we tried it for 30 days I think a lot of people who are so opposed to it based on their prior experience at Mania would discover it really depends on the posters of the forum, and that it could be a fun addition. If after a month, it is only causing problems, then get rid of it. We'll never know if we don't give it a shot. If it fails, debate over.

[Jody]

your avatar would make an awesome album cover. :D:beer:

Why thank you, Anubis. I think I will have to agree with your posts more often. :laugh:

What should we call our new album cover?

Campfire Delight (George Michaels)?

Don't Sit too Close to the Fire (Michael Jackson)?

Where's the Marshmellows (Rosie)?

:confused:

[Northman]

Why thank you, Anubis. I think I will have to agree with your posts more often. :laugh:

What should we call our new album cover?

Campfire Delight (George Michaels)?

Don't Sit too Close to the Fire (Michael Jackson)?

Where's the Marshmellows (Rosie)?

:confused:


Campfire Tales by Jody and the Not so Happy Campers

[KCL]

Why thank you, Anubis. I think I will have to agree with your posts more often. :laugh:

What should we call our new album cover?

Campfire Delight (George Michaels)?

Don't Sit too Close to the Fire (Michael Jackson)?

Where's the Marshmellows (Rosie)?

:confused:

How about "Don't get too close to the fire"....its hot"...:rolleyes:

ok so I tried....:tsk:

:lol:

[KCL]

Campfire Tales by Jody and the Not so Happy Campers

And she can tell some tales too....:tsk:

Do not....I repeat do not believe anything she says....:D

[Jody]

Campfire Tales by Jody and the Not so Happy Campers

Huh? I think KCL is rubbing off on you. Anyone who goes camping with me would have simply a 'delightful' time. I'm one heck of a campfire singer. :D

[dogfish]

Looks pretty split so far. We what could do, is try a full blown rep system for 30 days. As previously stated, the maturity level on this board on average is very high. I don't feel like it would be abused. If we tried it for 30 days I think a lot of people who are so opposed to it based on their prior experience at Mania would discover it really depends on the posters of the forum, and that it could be a fun addition. If after a month, it is only causing problems, then get rid of it. We'll never know if we don't give it a shot. If it fails, debate over.



or, we could smack this whole idea in the head with a tire iron and put it out of it's misery for good. . . .


:D:D:D



i'm going with that option. . . .

[Jody]

And she can tell some tales too....:tsk:

Do not....I repeat do not believe anything she says....:D

One giant NEG for you my friend (I use that word cautiously). :D

Consider yourself 'zapped'. :lol:

[KCL]

Huh? I think KCL is rubbing off on you. Anyone who goes camping with me would have simply a 'delightful' time. I'm one heck of a campfire singer. :D

:rolleyes:

Oh brother! :laugh:

[Jody]

Looks pretty split so far. We what could do, is try a full blown rep system for 30 days. As previously stated, the maturity level on this board on average is very high. I don't feel like it would be abused. If we tried it for 30 days I think a lot of people who are so opposed to it based on their prior experience at Mania would discover it really depends on the posters of the forum, and that it could be a fun addition. If after a month, it is only causing problems, then get rid of it. We'll never know if we don't give it a shot. If it fails, debate over.

I have a better idea!

Let's give everyone negging abilities EXCEPT for Timmy, and we'll see if he changes his mind. :lol:

I LOVE this thread!

[Northman]

Huh? I think KCL is rubbing off on you. Anyone who goes camping with me would have simply a 'delightful' time. I'm one heck of a campfire singer. :D


Well, that wasnt a direct reflection of you as it was me adding my own "metal" vibe to the band name. I have a rep to protect you know? :laugh:

[KCL]

One giant NEG for you my friend (I use that word cautiously). :D

Consider yourself 'zapped'. :lol:

HIGHJACK ALERT...JODY STOP IT!!!!!

Get back in your own thread!!! :lol:

[Jody]

or, we could smack this whole idea in the head with a tire iron and put it out of it's misery for good. . . .
:D:D:D



i'm going with that option. . . .

dog....Timmy may have 'a mission' that we are all unaware of?

He wants a neg system expedited....like yesterday. :lol:

I'm just messing with you, Timmy.

I do appreciate your desire here, but that is the death of yet another good message board and losing regulars (sounds like we're barstool buddies, eh?).:D

[Timmy!]

I have a better idea!

Let's give everyone negging abilities EXCEPT for Timmy, and we'll see if he changes his mind. :lol:

I LOVE this thread!

Sounds good, I rarely used it, but it's nice to have it.

[Jody]

Well, that wasnt a direct reflection of you as it was me adding my own "metal" vibe to the band name. I have a rep to protect you know? :laugh:

I think we found KCLady's TWIN right here folks. :D

Were you two just talkin' on the phone?

Anubis....do you happen to enjoy a shot of tequila now and then (mostly now)?

[Timmy!]

dog....Timmy may have 'a mission' that we are all unaware of?

He wants a neg system expedited....like yesterday. :lol:

I'm just messing with you, Timmy.

I do appreciate your desire here, but that is the death of yet another good message board and losing regulars (sounds like we're barstool buddies, eh?).:D

Good grief, what did they do to you guys at Mania? It's like a support group in here. *glances at poll* Hmmm...16-15 in favor......just saying.

[Northman]

I think we found KCLady's TWIN right here folks. :D

Were you two just talkin' on the phone?

Anubis....do you happen to enjoy a shot of tequila now and then (mostly now)?


:lol:

No. I prefer Beer. If i hit the hard stuff its lights out. And bad things can happen to one who passes out too early.

[KCL]

I think we found KCLady's TWIN right here folks. :D

Were you two just talkin' on the phone?

Anubis....do you happen to enjoy a shot of tequila now and then (mostly now)?

I would of said that it was/is a direct reflection on you unlike what
he said...:D

speaking of talking on the phone...:listen:

[KCL]

Good grief, what did they do to you guys at Mania. *glances at poll* Hmmm...16-15 in favor......just saying.

Cheer up Timmy....If it will make you happy...Jody and I can send you
a nastygram via the salute...would you like us to talk dirty to you?:D

[Timmy!]

or, we could smack this whole idea in the head with a tire iron and put it out of it's misery for good. . . .


:D:D:D



i'm going with that option. . . .

Isn't that what the poll is here for? To see what the majority thinks? :rolleyes: Do you honestly think it would be the death of this great forum? If you do, then I think you really underestimate the maturity and intelligence of 90% of the members of this forum. If it bombs, it bombs. If the majority wants a rep system, why not give it a short trial? If the majority says no, I won't get all butt hurt about it.....

[KCL]

:lol:

No. I prefer Beer. If i hit the hard stuff its lights out. And bad things can happen to one who passes out too early.

Just don't pass out around Jody....well on 2nd thought...you might
want to...:laugh:

[Tned]

Should we have Neg Reps?

Understand that this might require certain other additions to the boards encoding. It would be hard to neg rep if the positive ones don't really count etc.

I'm not giving an opinion either way at this point, but am just responding to the technical issue.

It is possible to turn the option to choose "I Dissaprove" when giving a MHS. Since we don't track Rep, the only difference would be that when looking in the User CP now at the list of MHS's and Hi-5's, where the positive MHS now has a purple/grey square next to it, the negative one will have a red or black or some other color identifying it as a negative MHS.

Technically, it is simply making one setting change to the message board. Whether or not having the "I Disapprove" or neg MHS means anything when not tracking rep points is a seperate issue.

[Northman]

Isn't that what the poll is here for? To see what the majority thinks? :rolleyes: Do you honestly think it would be the death of this great forum? If you do, then I think you really underestimate the maturity and intelligence of 90% of the members of this forum. If it bombs, it bombs. If the majority wants a rep system, why not give it a short trial? If the majority says no, I won't get all butt hurt about it.....

Or, if it isnt broke dont fix it. Just saying.

[Timmy!]

Cheer up Timmy....If it will make you happy...Jody and I can send you
a nastygram via the salute...would you like us to talk dirty to you?:D

:laugh: Sorry. Had a very, VERY long night. I am not even near my normal fun loving self today...and might not be around shortly. :tsk:

[Jody]

Good grief, what did they do to you guys at Mania? It's like a support group in here. *glances at poll* Hmmm...16-15 in favor......just saying.

They beat us until we were bloody, Timmy. You should have been there. :tsk: ;)

Downside of Negs:
1. They are way too much fun to hand out (addictive)
2. People complain if you use them
3. People complain if you don't use them
4. People analyze why you did use them
5. People analyze why you didn't use them
6. People assume you negged someone because you don't like them
7. People assume you should have negged them because THEY don't like them. :lol:

All in all....it's a peaceful system. :D

[Jody]

:lol:

No. I prefer Beer. If i hit the hard stuff its lights out. And bad things can happen to one who passes out too early.

This is good....beer.

Are you sure it's all bad? :lol:

I mean, if you're passed out....how would you know? :whoknows: ;)

[Jody]

Cheer up Timmy....If it will make you happy...Jody and I can send you
a nastygram via the salute...would you like us to talk dirty to you?:D

Contrary to popular belief, I can only talk dirty to one man at a time.
Now KCLady, on the other hand, is considered quite the multi-tasker. :D
Bar none.

[KCL]

Just don't pass out around Jody....well on 2nd thought...you might
want to...:laugh:


This is good....beer.

Are you sure it's all bad? :lol:

I mean, if you're passed out....how would you know? :whoknows: ;)

See what I'm talking about!

[Northman]

This is good....beer.

Are you sure it's all bad? :lol:

I mean, if you're passed out....how would you know? :whoknows: ;)

Well, after watching what some of my friends do to people who pass out in front of them you would understand. :laugh:

[Jody]

Isn't that what the poll is here for? To see what the majority thinks? :rolleyes: Do you honestly think it would be the death of this great forum? If you do, then I think you really underestimate the maturity and intelligence of 90% of the members of this forum. If it bombs, it bombs. If the majority wants a rep system, why not give it a short trial? If the majority says no, I won't get all butt hurt about it.....

Yes, negs would be the death of this forum (did you steal my line on that? ;) ), but a poll...I am not opposed to. I rarely speak for the majority. I've become accustom to being a minority (I think that's because of my seasoning in life).:D

[KCL]

Contrary to popular belief, I can only talk dirty to one man at a time.
Now KCLady, on the other hand, is considered quite the multi-tasker. :D
Bar none.

OK fine...you talk dirty to him then....:tsk:

Yes I am a multi-tasker...but how did you know?:confused:

[Timmy!]

Well, I guess based on our prior experiences nobody is going to see the others point of view. At the freak I loved our rep system, I know a lot of others did as well...and that board wasn't NEAR as mature as this one is. Obviously whatever happened at Mania scarred you guys for life. I'm betting the majority of the "good" members of that board are now here. I don't understand because I wasn't there.

As for the if it's not broke don't fix it line of thinking, I'd say it's an enhancement. Think of it as adding a performance part to a muscle car. It might add some horsepower, but if it makes the engine run like crap, you can just remove the part.

Also, for the record, I didn't even create this poll, I just started the discussion thread. I'm starting to think that even if the majority votes yes, it won't happen. Simply because everybody who voted no will throw a pissy fit if a trial was implimented, thus ruining paradise. *cue end of thread*

[Jody]

Well, after watching what some of my friends do to people who pass out in front of them you would understand. :laugh:

True. Being out in the world single again, I tend to have my hand over my drink at all times, it's unfortunate. :tsk:

[KCL]

Well, I guess based on our prior experiences nobody is going to see the others point of view. At the freak I loved our rep system, I know a lot of others did as well...and that board wasn't NEAR as mature as this one is. Obviously whatever happened at Mania scarred you guys for life. I'm betting the majority of the "good" members of that board are now here. I don't understand because I wasn't there.

As for the if it's not broke don't fix it line of thinking, I'd say it's an enhancement. Think of it as adding a performance part to a muscle car. It might add some horsepower, but if it makes the engine run like crap, you can just remove the part.

Also, for the record, I didn't even create this poll, I just started the discussion thread. I'm starting to think that even if the majority votes yes, it won't happen. Simply because everybody who voted no will throw a pissy fit if a trial was implimented, thus ruining paradise. *cue end of thread*

well I am not scarred for life about it...but my life hasn't been the same
I will admit...;)

I just don't see the need and I doubt we will agree about the good and bad of
all this.

[Northman]

As for the if it's not broke don't fix it line of thinking, I'd say it's an enhancement. Think of it as adding a performance part to a muscle car. It might add some horsepower, but if it makes the engine run like crap, you can just remove the part.

Only if it plays out like you think it might. Ive seen it become a issue over at the Orangemane and evidently some people think it was a problem at Mania (i wasnt there long enough to make that determination).


I'm starting to think that even if the majority votes yes, it won't happen. Simply because everybody who voted no will throw a pissy fit if a trial was implimented, thus ruining paradise. *cue end of thread*

I wont make a issue out of it. But just like the whole "Dead bodies" in the sig issue (which a majority thought was inappropriate) i just speak whats on my mind and what i think would be the best for the board overall. For me, ive seen what it can do to a board over at the Mane and there are some solid and intelligent posters over there as well.

[BroncoJoe]

For the most part, we had fun with it on the Freak. Some new posters didn't get our humor, but if they stuck around they did.

We even had a Negative Rep thread there:

http://www.broncosfreak.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24353

[Jody]

Well, I guess based on our prior experiences nobody is going to see the others point of view. At the freak I loved our rep system, I know a lot of others did as well...and that board wasn't NEAR as mature as this one is. Obviously whatever happened at Mania scarred you guys for life. I'm betting the majority of the "good" members of that board are now here. I don't understand because I wasn't there.

As for the if it's not broke don't fix it line of thinking, I'd say it's an enhancement. Think of it as adding a performance part to a muscle car. It might add some horsepower, but if it makes the engine run like crap, you can just remove the part.

Also, for the record, I didn't even create this poll, I just started the discussion thread. I'm starting to think that even if the majority votes yes, it won't happen. Simply because everybody who voted no will throw a pissy fit if a trial was implimented, thus ruining paradise. *cue end of thread*

First, are there actually "good" members here? I also like new members and a little different take on things.

I think if the majority voted, a neg system would be installed. That is how Tned operates here and all the mods. Don't be pessemistic (did I spell that correctly?), as some of us strongly disagree FROM PAST EXPERIENCES, but appreciate other viewpoints. :nod:

[Tned]

Isn't that what the poll is here for? To see what the majority thinks? :rolleyes: Do you honestly think it would be the death of this great forum? If you do, then I think you really underestimate the maturity and intelligence of 90% of the members of this forum. If it bombs, it bombs. If the majority wants a rep system, why not give it a short trial? If the majority says no, I won't get all butt hurt about it.....

Actually, no. It's fine that a poll was created, but it will not be the deciding factor, or even a primary consideration. Polls in discussions like this are virtually meaningless, because far to often people vote on a whim or based on what they are used to, before reading the discussion provided by other members. If there is a poll/vote, it needs to be after everyone that wants to contribute input, has. Not to mention the problem of "poll wording" influencing how people vote.

Instead, on this subject, like other Town Hall discussions, when the discussion has run its course, I will review every post, compile a spreadsheet tallying how each person that contributed feels on the subject and then have a clear picture of how many are for and against, and categorized into the reasons for and against.

Anyone that wants their 'voice' heard on this subject needs to contribute to the thread with comments why they are for or against it, not just clicking one of the poll choices, because the poll won't be considered in the decision making.


Me too. I thought that neg rep would show up like a high-five. I don't think that's a good idea, because like high-fives sometimes that button would get punched just because you see that all your buddies already high-fived it too.

I am for a cp system including neg-rep, but I don't really care that much one way or the other.

The best part about the BF system was that the mile-high salutes (high-five here) would add a small amount of positive rep and were unlimited.

However, the neg-reps were limited. You could only hand out so many within a 24 hour period, and no more than one at a time to any individual poster without "spreading around" reputation (either positive or neg) to other poster's as well.

In other words, there was a pretty low ceiling on how many neg's you could really dole out, but virtually unlimited on the positive side with the Mile-high salute.

As Cswil has stated he tried endlessly to lower Obi-Groo's rep, but in reality even though he hit him everyday to the max he never really had an effect.


Then my vote needs to be moved up one I thought by visible it would be like a high 5 and spell it out for everyone.

The true 'reputation' system built into vBulletin, which here is called MHS, on mania is CP, only shows up for the person that received the negative rep/MHS. The system gives you the choice of keeping the sender anonymous, but there is no option for allowing other people to see it.

The person that created the vBulletin add-on that the Freak used for their salutes and we are using for the Hi-5's, also has an add-on they call a 'groan' (which can be renamed to anything) and it would show up under a given post, just like the Hi-5's did.

So, in essense there is the option to have everyone see a negative "hi-5" or just the person receiving it, if it is a negative MHS.



Other than seeing it pop up what were the consequences?

A couple of points off whatever we called our rep points...

Was your CP count visible to the community?

Yes.

Were there any benefits to having a high cp count?

No. Not really. Members with high cp counts were just as likely to be banned for saying something stupid, as someone with a low count. I gather that that was a real problem at BM.

If a neg was received did the person receiving it then have "swift kick in the nuts" retaliatory button?

That's what we call a "Red Dot Party."

On mania, CP/Rep did 'count'. As your CP count (Rep) increased, then you received things like a bigger avatar, access a 'hidden/private' forum called the Locker room and then eventually the ability to give other posters negs. You couldn't neg another poster until you reached a certain CP/Rep level.

Since there were 'perks' that came with the CP/Rep totals, it led to bartering, begging and giving of CP to help people quickly gain new levels.

[Jody]

For the most part, we had fun with it on the Freak. Some new posters didn't get our humor, but if they stuck around they did.

We even had a Negative Rep thread there:

http://www.broncosfreak.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24353

Dear Joe,

I can't see your thread, because I have no user name and password. :D

Can you please copy and paste a few for us out of that Neg Rep thread?

Sincerely,
Jody

[BroncoJoe]

Dear Joe,

I can't see your thread, because I have no user name and password. :D

Can you please copy and paste a few for us out of that Neg Rep thread?

Sincerely,
Jody

Whoa - there were over 300 posts in it... It was funny though!

You could sign up at the new BroncosFreak.com - it's just a news service now, but that will allow you to use the link and see what went on over in that insane asylum.

[Jody]

Since there were 'perks' that came with the CP/Rep totals, it led to bartering, begging and giving of CP to help people quickly gain new levels.

Tned, I had actually forgotten about the 'begging' and 'bartering' for CP's. That wasn't a very positive side of that either. Would there be a way to curtail that or even avoid that when entertaining this whole idea of a neg system?

Timmy....this in and of itself depleted the integrity of that system.

[Jody]

Whoa - there were over 300 posts in it... It was funny though!

You could sign up at the new BroncosFreak.com - it's just a news service now, but that will allow you to use the link and see what went on over in that insane asylum.

I'm feeling a little brushed under the rug now, Joe. :tsk::D
That's like offering candy to a child and then snatching it back and saying "Just kidding". :lol:

My mom said I'm not allowed to sign up on any more boards on the internet. :whoknows:

[Tned]

Tned, I had actually forgotten about the 'begging' and 'bartering' for CP's. That wasn't a very positive side of that either. Would there be a way to curtail that or even avoid that when entertaining this whole idea of a neg system?

Timmy....this in and of itself depleted the integrity of that system.

I think the only two ways to 'curtail' begging and bartering that I can think of are:

Not having any perks associated with it, so other than 'ego' rep points mean nothing.
Self policing by the members. If for instance, we were both keeping track of rep totals and everyone had the ability to neg rep, then if when someone begged for rep points s/he was immediately hit with negs or simply criticized for it, then they probably wouldn't do it again.


I wont make a issue out of it. But just like the whole "Dead bodies" in the sig issue (which a majority thought was inappropriate) i just speak whats on my mind and what i think would be the best for the board overall. For me, ive seen what it can do to a board over at the Mane and there are some solid and intelligent posters over there as well.

FWIW, I haven't had a chance to review the dead body thread since early on, and will do so this weekend.

[Timmy!]

Tned, I had actually forgotten about the 'begging' and 'bartering' for CP's. That wasn't a very positive side of that either. Would there be a way to curtail that or even avoid that when entertaining this whole idea of a neg system?

Timmy....this in and of itself depleted the integrity of that system.

Ya, that I could totally understand. There were no "perks" at the freak for rep. A person could technically have -1000 rep and still had all the features and abilities of somebody with 1,000,000 positive rep points. I would be against anything where your rep rating or lack there of limited or granted access to any kind of features. Now I'm starting to see why you guys hate the idea so much. Rep was just a neat little thing, and being able to neg a buddy to give him a hard time was fun. Check out the thread, the comments we got on our negs were hilarious.

[Northman]

FWIW, I haven't had a chance to review the dead body thread since early on, and will do so this weekend.


No biggie. I think you and mods are doing a great job as it is. I just throw in my 2 cents every once in a while. But either way it wont change the fact that i love it here. :beer:

[Timmy!]

Out of curiosity, did anybody that voted no (that would like to come forward) vote NO because of the perks and hoarding/begging? If so, would you still be against a system that had points that really ment nothing other than the number of green dots you had by your name? (aka the old freaks rep system)

[turftoad]

Whoa - there were over 300 posts in it... It was funny though!

You could sign up at the new BroncosFreak.com - it's just a news service now, but that will allow you to use the link and see what went on over in that insane asylum.

Here you go Joe. It's the best I could do. Of course it doesn't look the same. Lets see if it even works.


http://www.broncosfreak.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24353

[Watchthemiddle]

After reading through the posts, I could be on board with a system that displays the neggies like our current high 5's are displayed at the bottom of the post.

Other than that, I stick by my original point of neggies wouldn't matter if it was behind closed doors in our current system. Points are never given, therefore points would never be taken away.

Having said all that, there are some on here that might get in a huge TIZZY if they make a post and a bunch of people pile on with a bunch of neggies.

that would be the 8% that can dish it out, but can't take it.

[Jody]

Out of curiosity, did anybody that voted no (that would like to come forward) vote NO because of the perks and hoarding/begging? If so, would you still be against a system that had points that really ment nothing other than the number of green dots you had by your name? (aka the old freaks rep system)

I voted "No" even before Tned reminded me of that. Now remember, I'm strictly visualizing the system utilized on BM. I'm not familiar with the system used on BF. I am against the bickering that was ongoing about receiving the negs. The "Would the real perpetrator who gave me that neg please stand up and show yourself" type of threads made in their feedback section, and the pages and pages of war that occurred around that one thread, but there were dozens and dozens of these types of threads. Perhaps even hundreds. It got pretty nasty. People were banned in these threads repeatedly. Then these same conversations, debates, angry arguments carried out and throughout other 'good' threads. Perhaps this had to do with as much of the 'modding style' as anything, I really can't answer that.

[haroldthebarrel]

if it was up to me Id like to have a trial period with no rules and all the neg and positive rep you want.
Personally i dont really give a damn whether I get positive or negative rep. What I want is people responding to my post and write back.

[Jody]

Here you go Joe. It's the best I could do. Of course it doesn't look the same. Lets see if it even works.


http://www.broncosfreak.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24353

Dejavu. :D

Thanks for trying though.

Timmy - couldn't get on BF.

[haroldthebarrel]

but i think you can rep your own posts.

at least i managed to do that in the banning procedures thread but its gone now.

[Timmy!]

I voted "No" even before Tned reminded me of that. Now remember, I'm strictly visualizing the system utilized on BM. I'm not familiar with the system used on BF. I am against the bickering that was ongoing about receiving the negs. The "Would the real perpetrator who gave me that neg please stand up and show yourself" type of threads made in their feedback section, and the pages and pages of war that occurred around that one thread, but there were dozens and dozens of these types of threads. Perhaps even hundreds. It got pretty nasty. People were banned in these threads repeatedly. Then these same conversations, debates, angry arguments carried out and throughout other 'good' threads. Perhaps this had to do with as much of the 'modding style' as anything, I really can't answer that.


The freak system showed you in your cp who gave you what rep. Like I said though, in the grand scheme it ment nothing to have a huge rep or even a negative rep (which only trolls had). It was simply a feature that added to the entertainment value of the site. I don't recall seeing a single argument let alone a thread about rep at the freak, because with no perks/features involved, there was really nothing to get upset about. I'm confident any former freak would back that.

[Day1BroncoFan]

This has been a busy thread today during my absence. I will continue my reading from this point forward. :D

Did I mention that I voted negative on negs?

[Jody]

This has been a busy thread today during my absence. I will continue my reading from this point forward. :D

Did I mention that I voted negative on negs?

No, but would you feel like on elaborating as to why, Mr. Day1?
Plus, have you had exposure to more than one type of neg rep system?

[Dreadnought]

I think among my favorite aspect(s) of this board are that bad manners are not tolerated very much, and that "noobs" are not abused. I detest cliqishness and "hazing" new folks. Just detest it. This board has done a great job at welcoming us from the Freak, and everyone else as well. Anything that could possibly jeopardize that atmosphere I would oppose. I met a bunch of great posters when I came over, to go along with the best of the Freaks. I'm really liking the Maners who have stuck around too.

I liked the Freak, made a few friends, had few if any problems, but was sometimes put off by how other new guys got treated. Fault of neg reps? Probably not. I just think if it ain't broke don't fix it, and that aspect of the Freak culture I do not want to import..

[Tned]

I voted "No" even before Tned reminded me of that. Now remember, I'm strictly visualizing the system utilized on BM. I'm not familiar with the system used on BF.

If I am wrong on any of this, please correct me.

I believe the BF system was pretty much the same as the BM system with four exceptions:


While your bars increased (orange bars/dots on BM) on BF, just like on BM, there was no "perks" that went along with them.
CP (Rep/MHS) was not anonymous, just like here, where the person giving the MHS is shown in User CP
Members could give neg CP/Rep/MHS from day one, they didn't have to achieve a certain number of bars (or CP/Rep total) before being able to give negs.
The Hi-Five (Salute on the Freak) also added to your CP/Rep total. Meaning, that each Hi-Five you are given increases your CP, in much the same way (even if not at the same rate) as being given a traditional CP.

[Timmy!]

I think among my favorite aspect(s) of this board are that bad manners are not tolerated very much, and that "noobs" are not abused. I detest cliqishness and "hazing" new folks. Just detest it. This board has done a great job at welcoming us from the Freak, and everyone else as well. Anything that could possibly jeopardize that atmosphere I would oppose. I met a bunch of great posters when I came over, to go along with the best of the Freaks. I'm really liking the Maners who have stuck around too.

I liked the Freak, made a few friends, had few if any problems, but was sometimes put off by how other new guys got treated. Fault of neg reps? Probably not. I just think if it ain't broke don't fix it, and that aspect of the Freak culture I do not want to import..

I'll agree with ya Dread. New members did get hazed, that really doesn't happen here. Truthfully though, I think that has nothing to do with a rep system. I got hazed when I was new, don't think anybody neg repped me though. What happened at the freak would have happened with or without a rep system, IMO.

[Jody]

I think among my favorite aspect(s) of this board are that bad manners are not tolerated very much, and that "noobs" are not abused. I detest cliqishness and "hazing" new folks. Just detest it. This board has done a great job at welcoming us from the Freak, and everyone else as well. Anything that could possibly jeopardize that atmosphere I would oppose. I met a bunch of great posters when I came over, to go along with the best of the Freaks. I'm really liking the Maners who have stuck around too.

I liked the Freak, made a few friends, had few if any problems, but was sometimes put off by how other new guys got treated. Fault of neg reps? Probably not. I just think if it ain't broke don't fix it, and that aspect of the Freak culture I do not want to import..

Excellent post, Dread. I really like the thoughtful thinking you relayed in paragraph one, as it's more food for thought to the overall good of the board. We dealt with your concerns at BM as well. The one area I may disagree on is how cliquishness is too often perceived though. For I find it's hard to keep up now with all the new members (I'm nearly dizzy some days), but once they start posting routinely...I start to interact with them quickly. Can you be 'shy' on a board? Food for thought. I remember when the Freaks came over here, my face turned red numerous times at some of the posts, but you all grew on me quickly I'd say, practically my board family. Why? You were all pretty gracious coming over to this board and understanding the shock for us with so many new posters at one time. Plus, we needed new life here....thus....we received it. ;) Nice post Dread.

[Dreadnought]

I'll agree with ya Dread. New members did get hazed, that really doesn't happen here. Truthfully though, I think that has nothing to do with a rep system. I got hazed when I was new, don't think anybody neg repped me though. What happened at the freak would have happened with or without a rep system, IMO.

I think you're probably right, thats why I qualified my comment. I just don't want to screw with the atmosphere Timmy!. I'll even admit the recent "Sig wars" were kind of funny. Just remember that I can be fairly accused of never having fully grown up, especially here.

[Timmy!]

If I am wrong on any of this, please correct me.

I believe the BF system was pretty much the same as the BM system with four exceptions:


While your bars increased (orange bars/dots on BM) on BF, just like on BM, there was no "perks" that went along with them.
CP (Rep/MHS) was not anonymous, just like here, where the person giving the MHS is shown in User CP
Members could give neg CP/Rep/MHS from day one, they didn't have to achieve a certain number of bars (or CP/Rep total) before being able to give negs.
The Hi-Five (Salute on the Freak) also added to your CP/Rep total. Meaning, that each Hi-Five you are given increases your CP, in much the same way (even if not at the same rate) as being given a traditional CP.


I think you nailed the BF part of it Tned. I will also say that there was a limited amount of neg rep you could give on BF in a 24 hour period. You couldn't just neg rep every single post of someone you didn't like. I never would have found this out except for the Neg rep thread we had. I think that kinda speaks for the system itself. Joe posted the link earlier, but we literally had a thread where people would go just to neg rep each other for amusement. THAT'S how light hearted a rep system CAN be.

[BroncoJoe]

Dread, I think Jody has a crush on you.

[Jody]

If I am wrong on any of this, please correct me.

I believe the BF system was pretty much the same as the BM system with four exceptions:

While your bars increased (orange bars/dots on BM) on BF, just like on BM, there was no "perks" that went along with them.
CP (Rep/MHS) was not anonymous, just like here, where the person giving the MHS is shown in User CP
Members could give neg CP/Rep/MHS from day one, they didn't have to achieve a certain number of bars (or CP/Rep total) before being able to give negs.
The Hi-Five (Salute on the Freak) also added to your CP/Rep total. Meaning, that each Hi-Five you are given increases your CP, in much the same way (even if not at the same rate) as being given a traditional CP.

To be honest, BF's system sounds by far superior to BM's for the sake of maintaining peace/relationships on the board. Yet, I fear that a handful of members here will be the prime receivers of most negs, and we'd have havoc on our hands eventually. Unless they can opt in or opt out of receiving them. If they opt in, they are fair game, no complaining is tolerated. If they opt out, nothing to be concerned about obviously. Is that possible?

I think it's highly possible KCLady might neg me numerous times a night if given the chance. Can we get a little smiley that says, "Enough, enough!"? :D

[KCL]

Dread, I think Jody has a crush on you.

:mad::mad:

[Dreadnought]

Excellent post, Dread. I really like the thoughtful thinking you relayed in paragraph one, as it's more food for thought to the overall good of the board. We dealt with your concerns at BM as well. The one area I may disagree on is how cliquishness is too often perceived though. For I find it's hard to keep up now with all the new members (I'm nearly dizzy some days), but once they start posting routinely...I start to interact with them quickly. Can you be 'shy' on a board? Food for thought. I remember when the Freaks came over here, my face turned red numerous times at some of the posts, but you all grew on me quickly I'd say, practically my board family. Why? You were all pretty gracious coming over to this board and understanding the shock for us with so many new posters at one time. Plus, we needed new life here....thus....we received it. ;) Nice post Dread.

Thanks Jody. At the risk of sounding like a mutual admiration society is forming here, you were the first poster who reached out when I got here. Its natural we will tend to "hang" with folks we've know longest - when I got here I was already used to bantering w/ NTL, cswil, Clay, and Beefstew at the Freak. BDB was just new to us back then, so he's become a favorite of mine since after I got here. I have always been in awe of G-money's gigantic brain - and Frauschieze is similarly bright even if she doesn't want you to know it. I'd say now that I hang w/ Davii, Dogfish, KCL and others. You and your cuz are terrific. You can't notlike GEM. I'm hoping to broaden that a lot more when football season actually arrives, and I'm just starting to get a handle on some of the Maners. thats what we need to preserve here.

[KCL]

I'm feeling a little brushed under the rug now, Joe. :tsk::D
That's like offering candy to a child and then snatching it back and saying "Just kidding". :lol:

My mom said I'm not allowed to sign up on any more boards on the internet. :whoknows:

uh..she doesn't know about that ONE thread does she? The one where
your user name is 'Misty"....:laugh:

[Day1BroncoFan]

:mad::mad:

Those faces should be green maybe?

[Timmy!]

I think you're probably right, thats why I qualified my comment. I just don't want to screw with the atmosphere Timmy!. I'll even admit the recent "Sig wars" were kind of funny. Just remember that I can be fairly accused of never having fully grown up, especially here.

Again I agree Dread, which is why I'm in favor of trial of a rep system with no perks and limited negs. Now that I know the way the rep system worked over at BM, I can see why a lot of people are very timid about putting one in over here. I would be strongly opposed to it being used for any kind of perks/features. That's NOT how a rep system should work. The freaks old system is really not that much different than the MHS system we have here already, other that points would be tallied and you could neg somebody. Those are the only 2 differences I can see. Correct me if I'm wrong. Even a 1 or 2 week trial would be more than enough time to see if had positive or negative effects on the forum without driving off any long time or new members. I don't want to fix what's not broken, just enhance an already great forum with 2 minor tweaks.

[BroncoJoe]

To be honest, BF's system sounds by far superior to BM's for the sake of maintaining peace/relationships on the board. Yet, I fear that a handful of members here will be the prime receivers of most negs, and we'd have havoc on our hands eventually. Unless they can opt in or opt out of receiving them. If they opt in, they are fair game, no complaining is tolerated. If they opt out, nothing to be concerned about obviously. Is that possible?

I think it's highly possible KCLady might neg me numerous times a night if given the chance. Can we get a little smiley that says, "Enough, enough!"? :D

Opting in or out is an interesting idea...

It really didn't mean much at the freak. When boisterous "new" posters would come around, they'd get somewhat harassed, but only because they were obnoxious. Other's were welcomed - but they did need some thick skin at first. Not necessarily bad, IMO.

Either way, I really don't care.

And, dear Jody, I'm pretty sure I know who you're referring to above. Neg. repping wouldn't really matter much - they take a lot of verbal (typed) abuse as it is.

[BroncoJoe]

I'll agree with ya Dread. New members did get hazed, that really doesn't happen here. Truthfully though, I think that has nothing to do with a rep system. I got hazed when I was new, don't think anybody neg repped me though. What happened at the freak would have happened with or without a rep system, IMO.

That's because you were a stupid idiot at first.

:heh:

[Slick]

:lol: The thread didn't die. :salute:

and :lol: @ this thread

Yea it did.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=116311

I just didn't realize that there was another one.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=116001

Here's some light reading for those who want to know how childish things can get. I'm not sure if everyone will be able to access it since both threads are in the lockerroom. If it's not appropriate to refer to this as subject matter for this discussion, feel free to delete the post or the links.

[Watchthemiddle]

uh..she doesn't know about that ONE thread does she? The one where
your user name is 'Misty"....:laugh:

So Jody is "Misty"?? :eek:

Thats good to know....errr...i mean.....uugggghhh.....

[BroncoJoe]

Thanks Jody. At the risk of sounding like a mutual admiration society is forming here, you were the first poster who reached out when I got here. Its natural we will tend to "hang" with folks we've know longest - when I got here I was already used to bantering w/ NTL, cswil, Clay, and Beefstew at the Freak. BDB was just new to us back then, so he's become a favorite of mine since after I got here. I have always been in awe of G-money's gigantic brain - and Frauschieze is similarly bright even if she doesn't want you to know it. I'd say now that I hang w/ Davii, Dogfish, KCL and others. You and your cuz are terrific. You can't notlike GEM. I'm hoping to broaden that a lot more when football season actually arrives, and I'm just starting to get a handle on some of the Maners. thats what we need to preserve here.

Dread, I'm quite disappointed I received no mention here.

[Timmy!]

That's because you were a stupid idiot at first.

:heh:

I take offense to this Joe. Your post implies that I am no longer a stupid idiot. I demand an apology. :D

[KCL]

So Jody is "Misty"?? :eek:

Thats good to know....errr...i mean.....uugggghhh.....

Oh you've been on that site huh?;)

[Jody]

uh..she doesn't know about that ONE thread does she? The one where
your user name is 'Misty"....:laugh:

Was that when I was away on bereavement? I'm dang curious now.
*waiting in suspense* :D

[Day1BroncoFan]

Dread, I'm quite disappointed I received no mention here.

Same here. :coffee:

[Dreadnought]

One good thing about neg rep is that we could all neg rep cswil regularly to make him mad. He's a much better poster as an angry man

[KCL]

Was that when I was away on bereavement? I'm dang curious now.
*waiting in suspense* :D

Now Jody...I am sorry if you didnt want anyone to know...my apologies..:lol:

[Dreadnought]

Oh you've been on that site huh?;)

Are you "Cinnamon"? Just wondering...

[Jody]

Yea it did.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=116311

I just didn't realize that there was another one.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=116001

Here's some light reading for those who want to know how childish things can get. I'm not sure if everyone will be able to access it since both threads are in the lockerroom. If it's not appropriate to refer to this as subject matter for this discussion, feel free to delete the post or the links.

Was HW involved? I hope she didn't go and shame me again. :tsk:;)
Good thing you need a user id, password, and a certain level to access it.:lol: God I love that rep system suddenly. :D

[KCL]

Are you "Cinnamon"? Just wondering...

What was that? I am quite flavorable but I am not cinnamon...:D

[Timmy!]

Opting in or out is an interesting idea...

It really didn't mean much at the freak. When boisterous "new" posters would come around, they'd get somewhat harassed, but only because they were obnoxious. Other's were welcomed - but they did need some thick skin at first. Not necessarily bad, IMO.

Either way, I really don't care.

And, dear Jody, I'm pretty sure I know who you're referring to above. Neg. repping wouldn't really matter much - they take a lot of verbal (typed) abuse as it is.

Actually, I'm thinking if we had neg rep there would be less verbal (typed) abuse, at least that was viewable by everyone anyway.

The opting in or out would be the best of both worlds, but I'm not sure it's possible :tsk:

[Jody]

So Jody is "Misty"?? :eek:

Thats good to know....errr...i mean.....uugggghhh.....

Huh? :confused:

[Watchthemiddle]

Was HW involved? I hope she didn't go and shame me again. :tsk:;)
Good thing you need a user id, password, and a certain level to access it.:lol: God I love that rep system suddenly. :D

Now I know why I couldn't read it....:laugh:

[Day1BroncoFan]

Actually, I'm thinking if we had neg rep there would be less verbal (typed) abuse, at least that was viewable by everyone anyway.

The opting in or out would be the best of both worlds, but I'm not sure it's possible :tsk:

I would opt in until my feelings got hurt.

[Jody]

One good thing about neg rep is that we could all neg rep cswil regularly to make him mad. He's a much better poster as an angry man

I find I'm extremely efficient when I'm ticked off. My brain functions much more accurately. :nod: So, this idea....may not be so bad after all. :D

[KCL]

Was HW involved? I hope she didn't go and shame me again. :tsk:;)
Good thing you need a user id, password, and a certain level to access it.:lol: God I love that rep system suddenly. :D

I go to the other site once in awhile but it has been overtaken by
several (not sure what to call them).:rolleyes:

[dogfish]

I take offense to this Joe. Your post implies that I am no longer a stupid idiot. I demand an apology. :D



see? joe was able to call you a stupid idot without any sort of rep being attached, if you need to bust somebody's balls the traditional method works just fine. . . . :elefant:

[Day1BroncoFan]

I go to the other site once in awhile but it has been overtaken by
several (not sure what to call them).:rolleyes:

I go there rarely and post even less. I do have posting frenzies on occasion.