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BOSSHOGG30
05-27-2008, 02:55 PM
ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that Michael Pittman will sign a one-year contract with the Broncos.

He'll join a crowded backfield and likely be a role player in Denver, but like any running back on the Broncos, he'd have speculative fantasy value. It's bad news for Travis Henry, who isn't guaranteed a roster spot.
Source: profootballtalk.com

Requiem / The Dagda
05-27-2008, 02:56 PM
Runs tough and can catch the ball. He'd be a nice option on short-yardage and goal line situations.

lex
05-27-2008, 02:58 PM
Clayton is reporting its a done deal. I saw it over at the Mane.

LRtagger
05-27-2008, 02:59 PM
crowded backfield


To say the least!

Northman
05-27-2008, 03:00 PM
I see Travis getting closer and closer to the edge of the cliff. lmao

Requiem / The Dagda
05-27-2008, 03:01 PM
Later today we'll see headlines on Travis kidnapping his own children in hopes to be guaranteed a roster spot. TONIGHT. . . ON CBS4 NEWS IN DENVAH. . .

BeefStew25
05-27-2008, 03:02 PM
Michael Pittman is a strong dude and is good at ramming his large SUV at a high rate of speed into his wifes car with his wife and kid in the car.

I applaud this signing. Unless you live in Denver and commute near Dove Valley.

BOSSHOGG30
05-27-2008, 03:05 PM
Might be a crowded backfield, but it sure isn't a very impressive backfield.

Travis Henry - injury prone and washed up
Andre Hall - back up material
Cecil Sapp - back up material
Selvin Young - back up material
Ryan Torian - unknown but looks like another Broncos later round pick and nothing to be too excited about.
Anthony Alridge - back up material
Mike Bell - back up material in the dog house
Michael Pittman - back up material

Guess we are trying to get a bunch of back up material type players and hope they can all make one good back?

Let's hope that Torian is better than what most experts had him ranked before the draft.

Ziggy
05-27-2008, 03:07 PM
Pittman runs hard, catches well, and will provide some quality competition at the RB spot. I'm a little surprised by this signing, but I've always been a proponent of bringing depth to every position in training camp and letting the creme rise to the top. Good signing.

Requiem / The Dagda
05-27-2008, 03:09 PM
It's too bad we didn't draft Jonathan Stewart then, huh BOSS? :lol:

Retired_Member_001
05-27-2008, 03:10 PM
Nice signing Shanny.

Pittman is a hard tough runner. A really good spare back to have. I think he'll do well for us.

turftoad
05-27-2008, 03:11 PM
He probably won't be on the final roster.

If he is, it's as a back up roll guy at best.

BOSSHOGG30
05-27-2008, 03:11 PM
It's too bad we didn't draft Jonathan Stewart then, huh BOSS? :lol:

It's too bad we too many needs.... Hopefully we won't have this problem next season and can get a top notch back. :beer:

Retired_Member_001
05-27-2008, 03:13 PM
It's too bad we too many needs.... Hopefully we won't have this problem next season and can get a top notch back. :beer:

Trade for Stewart?

:laugh:

turftoad
05-27-2008, 03:13 PM
It's too bad we too many needs.... Hopefully we won't have this problem next season and can get a top notch back. :beer:

Shanny seems to think he got one in the 5th round.

I'm sure you've seen that he thinks Torain has 1st round talent.

HolyDiver
05-27-2008, 03:13 PM
ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that Michael Pittman will sign a one-year contract with the Broncos.

He'll join a crowded backfield and likely be a role player in Denver, but like any running back on the Broncos, he'd have speculative fantasy value. It's bad news for Travis Henry, who isn't guaranteed a roster spot.
Source: profootballtalk.com


Probably won't make the team unless we can slip Toran on the PS.

LRtagger
05-27-2008, 03:14 PM
Might be a crowded backfield, but it sure isn't a very impressive backfield.

Travis Henry - injury prone and washed up
Andre Hall - back up material
Cecil Sapp - back up material
Selvin Young - back up material
Ryan Torian - unknown but looks like another Broncos later round pick and nothing to be too excited about.
Anthony Alridge - back up material
Mike Bell - back up material in the dog house
Michael Pittman - back up material

Guess we are trying to get a bunch of back up material type players and hope they can all make one good back?

Let's hope that Torian is better than what most experts had him ranked before the draft.

You should be accustomed to this by now. We havent had a prototypical feature back since Portis in 2003. Every back since then has been backup material.

BroncoFanatic
05-27-2008, 03:17 PM
Might be a crowded backfield, but it sure isn't a very impressive backfield.

Travis Henry - injury prone and washed up
Andre Hall - back up material
Cecil Sapp - back up material
Selvin Young - back up material
Ryan Torian - unknown but looks like another Broncos later round pick and nothing to be too excited about.
Anthony Alridge - back up material
Mike Bell - back up material in the dog house
Michael Pittman - back up material

Guess we are trying to get a bunch of back up material type players and hope they can all make one good back?

Let's hope that Torian is better than what most experts had him ranked before the draft.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you are a "glass half empty" type :coffee:

Good signing, if nothing else than to have more competition in camp. Any RB who is taking his roster spot for granted will be packing up and heading out of town

Retired_Member_001
05-27-2008, 03:17 PM
Probably won't make the team unless we can slip Toran on the PS.

I'm thinking Andre Hall will be having troubles, although Andre Hall is pretty good to be fair.

turftoad
05-27-2008, 03:21 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you are a "glass half empty" type :coffee:

Good signing, if nothing else than to have more competition in camp. Any RB who is taking his roster spot for granted will be packing up and heading out of town

I don't think Boss is a "glass half empty" guy at all.

He just had huge man love for Stewart and wanted him in orange and blue.

Right Boss. :D

BOSSHOGG30
05-27-2008, 03:22 PM
Shanny seems to think he got one in the 5th round.

I'm sure you've seen that he thinks Torain has 1st round talent.

I don't see Torian as a 1st round talent... he wasn't even the best back on his team. Keegan Herring came in after Torian was hurt and played just as good if not better. I also worry about his running style in the NFL. Hopefully he can learn to run lower to the ground or he won't last long. He does have some good production versus solid defenses and he can run well between the tackles, something the Broncos need with the lack of Henry. Pittman is another great addition as a runner in between the tackles. It will be interesting to see who Denver decides to go with for these important carries.

Buff
05-27-2008, 03:26 PM
I like the move... It's a virtual certainty that Henry and Young will get hurt at some point this season, and with Henry already on the shelf in May, Shanny's hedging his bets early. Plus he comes cheaper than Shaun alexander.

BOSSHOGG30
05-27-2008, 03:27 PM
I don't think Boss is a "glass half empty" guy at all.

He just had huge man love for Stewart and wanted him in orange and blue.

Right Boss. :D

It has nothing to do with Stewart. I would like to see Denver stop bringing in vets and these long shots they hope can be TD like and actually give Bobby Turner someone great to work with. TD was luck... it isn't going to happen very often if at all. It would be like the Patriots drafting 5th and 6th round QB's after Tom Brady retires for the next 20 years because they found Tom Brady there so why can't they do it again.

It was too bad Denver had so many needs going into this years draft because it was very rare to see so much RB talent like we did this year. We had our pick at Stewart and Mendenhall and we passed it up... oh well... lets hope next year we have a shot at Moreno, Wells, Davis, or another top back, but I doubt it if you take into account we don't pick in the top 12 very often, unless of course we trade up to get there.

Ziggy
05-27-2008, 03:30 PM
Let's give Boss some credit. He wanted a back badly in the first round, and called Clady out as a bust before the draft took place. Even though Denver picked up Clady and passed on both 'elite' RB's, Boss hasn't whined or bashed Clady, that I have seen. He's earned some respect from me, anyways.

underrated29
05-27-2008, 03:31 PM
I dont like it!!

I would rather see us spending pittmans money on a dt- grady jackson or whoever. We are weakest there, and if someone goes down we cant just plug someone in like we do at rb.

BOSSHOGG30
05-27-2008, 03:34 PM
John Clayton's article:

A few weeks ago, the Broncos toyed with the idea of signing Dominic Rhodes or Shaun Alexander, but on Tuesday, they got serious, reaching an agreement with former Buccaneers halfback Michael Pittman.

Pittman's agreement came at a time the team has some concerns about Travis Henry's slow recovery from an offseason hamstring injury.

The 32-year-old Pittman is a physical back. He rushed for 286 yards on 68 carries for a 4.2 yard average last season.

John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

Retired_Member_001
05-27-2008, 03:38 PM
John Clayton's article:

A few weeks ago, the Broncos toyed with the idea of signing Dominic Rhodes or Shaun Alexander, but on Tuesday, they got serious, reaching an agreement with former Buccaneers halfback Michael Pittman.

Pittman's agreement came at a time the team has some concerns about Travis Henry's slow recovery from an offseason hamstring injury.

The 32-year-old Pittman is a physical back. He rushed for 286 yards on 68 carries for a 4.2 yard average last season.

John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

Thanks for the post.

turftoad
05-27-2008, 03:38 PM
It has nothing to do with Stewart. I would like to see Denver stop bringing in vets and these long shots they hope can be TD like and actually give Bobby Turner someone great to work with. TD was luck... it isn't going to happen very often if at all. It would be like the Patriots drafting 5th and 6th round QB's after Tom Brady retires for the next 20 years because they found Tom Brady there so why can't they do it again.

It was too bad Denver had so many needs going into this years draft because it was very rare to see so much RB talent like we did this year. We had our pick at Stewart and Mendenhall and we passed it up... oh well... lets hope next year we have a shot at Moreno, Wells, Davis, or another top back, but I doubt it if you take into account we don't pick in the top 12 very often, unless of course we trade up to get there.

Agreed......... however, we don't have to draft in the top 12 to get a top RB. They always slide. I would have been very happy with Mendenhall (23)or even Forte (44) or even Kevin Smith (64).

Ziggy
05-27-2008, 03:39 PM
One thing this signing does do is cut down Torain's carries in TC and preseason. I wonder if they are planning on stashing him on the PS as HolyDiver suggested, or even the IR this season if he doesn't come back 100% from his injury.

oubronco
05-27-2008, 03:39 PM
why not try kevin jones he's younger

Astrass
05-27-2008, 03:46 PM
Runs tough and can catch the ball. He'd be a nice option on short-yardage and goal line situations.

Exactly. He is a really tough runner. I liked him a lot in Tampa.

tubby
05-27-2008, 04:05 PM
Check out the new Hoss in town..... :cool:

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/images/GeorgeBushMichaelPittman.jpg

http://femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers4/Michael_Pittman.jpg

BeefStew25
05-27-2008, 04:09 PM
He looks strong. I bet he can beat the tar out of his wife and kids:


On May 31, 2003, Pittman was arrested for two counts of aggravated battery, when he allegedly rammed a Mercedes Benz off the road with his Hummer SUV. The occupants of the Mercedes included his wife Melissa, 2 year old daughter and their babysitter. The incident happened after wife Melissa fled the home following an altercation with Pittman.

Lonestar
05-27-2008, 04:12 PM
sounds like lots of mucle between the ears also..


Hope he came cheap.. Anyone have any stats on the clown they'd like to post.

Requiem / The Dagda
05-27-2008, 04:16 PM
Look, Michael Pittman is going to fill our bad boy quota for when Henry is cut from the team. Not everyone can be the 25 year old rookie Mormon linebacker from Arizona with the impeccable image. Every team needs a BA!

Broncospsycho77
05-27-2008, 04:31 PM
Look, Michael Pittman is going to fill our bad boy quota for when Henry is cut from the team. Not everyone can be the 25 year old rookie Mormon linebacker from Arizona with the impeccable image. Every team needs a BA!

We've already got a couple of those. The last one slipped on a Mickey D's bag.

Nature Boy
05-27-2008, 04:34 PM
Micheal Pittman is a good speedy RB. Not the toughest but had good quickness and speed.

BeefStew25
05-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Micheal Pittman is a good speedy RB. Not the toughest but had good quickness and speed.

And he can backhand a ho if she gets out of line. Good signing IMO.

Nature Boy
05-27-2008, 04:41 PM
Check out the new Hoss in town..... :cool:

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/images/GeorgeBushMichaelPittman.jpg

http://femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers4/Michael_Pittman.jpg

Let's get a test 1st.

honz
05-27-2008, 04:43 PM
WTF? Do we really need another (mediocre) RB?

Lonestar
05-27-2008, 04:44 PM
WTF? Do we really need another (mediocre) RB?

an old one at that..

Dean
05-27-2008, 04:54 PM
You can find his stats here.

http://www.nfl.com/michaelpittman/careerstats?id=PIT226738

keithbishop
05-27-2008, 05:56 PM
Competition is good.... period. No problem with this move.

honz
05-27-2008, 06:13 PM
Competition is good.... period. No problem with this move.
Competition is good, but it seems like we already have enough RBs to provide good competition in TC and preseason and I would rather have our young guys getting Pittman's snaps.

TXBRONC
05-27-2008, 06:30 PM
He probably won't be on the final roster.

If he is, it's as a back up roll guy at best.

I agree. He provides some nice competition but I don't think he'll make the final roster.

Buff
05-27-2008, 06:45 PM
Competition is good, but it seems like we already have enough RBs to provide good competition in TC and preseason and I would rather have our young guys getting Pittman's snaps.

I think Hall's days are numbered unless he sets the world on fire returning kicks...

There are health concerns with Henry, Young and Torain... Not to mention the fact that I would of loved to have had Pittman on the goalline a few times last year.

haroldthebarrel
05-27-2008, 06:53 PM
this reminds me of my franchise madden signings where I pick up scrubs like him and trade them along with draft picks for superstars.

Good in Madden, stupid in reality.

TXBRONC
05-27-2008, 08:53 PM
I think Hall's days are numbered unless he sets the world on fire returning kicks...

There are health concerns with Henry, Young and Torain... Not to mention the fact that I would of loved to have had Pittman on the goalline a few times last year.

I think you're spot on Buff about Hall. Not only does he appear to be the odd man out in the back field but he also has to compete with Royal and Alridge for kick return duties.

WhatEver!!!
05-27-2008, 09:01 PM
I think this is a great pickup. He hardly missed a game in his 10 years while carring the rock over 150 times in 5 of those seasons. 150 carries is not that many; average ~10 per game, but he made the most of those carries. 800 yards per year while carring the rock 10 times per game = 4.0 per carry. I will take that. He would be a good goalline back or a good relief of Torain or Henry when you still need a bruiser back.

slim
05-27-2008, 09:18 PM
So much for our offseason of signing only "high character" guys.

TXBRONC
05-27-2008, 09:32 PM
So much for our offseason of signing only "high character" guys.

I don't think getting one guy of questionable character ruins everything else. I will admit Pittman has a very troubling past.

The positives as small as they may be is he's not expensive and he has been a productive back up through out his career.

slim
05-27-2008, 09:34 PM
I don't think getting one guy of questionable character ruins everything else. I will admit Pittman has very troubling.

The positives as small as they may be is he's not expensive and he has been a productive back up through out his career.

I can't argue about his talent. I remember watching him as an AZ Cardinal and the dude was impressive.

Nature Boy
05-27-2008, 09:35 PM
As it looks right now, I've got Pittman penciled in behind Henry, before Young. It's just my opinion, don't bash me too hard.

1. Henry
2. Pittman
3. Young

We'll find out later after the full training camp.

slim
05-27-2008, 09:37 PM
As it looks right now, I've got Pittman penciled in behind Henry, before Young. It's just my opinion, don't bash me too hard.

1. Henry
2. Pittman
3. Young

We'll find out later after the full training camp.

I am starting to doubt if Henry will even make the team.

Timmy!
05-27-2008, 09:38 PM
Good signing for what it's worth, cheap, no risk. He should help in the red zone. I'll take him over Hall.

TXBRONC
05-27-2008, 10:11 PM
I can't argue about his talent. I remember watching him as an AZ Cardinal and the dude was impressive.

I know there have been times where he has played exceptionally well.

WARHORSE
05-27-2008, 10:23 PM
Hes better than Henry.


Write it down. Study it hard. Memorize it.

Then say, 'I knew that' later in the year when hes running hard for the Broncos.

underrated29
05-27-2008, 11:01 PM
i have been wrong before but i dont see any way possible henry doesnt make the team.

To me there is no way despite injury or 1 of the other backs plays lights out (TD style) that henry isnt the starter for reg season! Just no way.

If pitt is then great, i will hope like hell he tears it up. But still, Travis is our man and he is going to kick some ass.

PS- he runs tougher and has a better stiff arm.

Nature Boy
05-27-2008, 11:24 PM
I know there have been times where he has played exceptionally well.

At times and in sporadic games he's played like a pro-bowler. That's just it, Pittman has been one of the most inconsistent players with a lot of talent.


Hes better than Henry.


Write it down. Study it hard. Memorize it.

Then say, 'I knew that' later in the year when hes running hard for the Broncos.

LOL! I don't know how to say it any nicer but you are dead wrong.

Micheal Pittman never had a season where he was the team's unquestionable premier back. In AZ or TB, Pittman always had to split carries, had a RB inching at his heels or he was playing behind someone else.

Look at his stats. Micheal Pittman never even had a season where he broke the 1000 yard rushing mark.

Nature Boy
05-27-2008, 11:25 PM
Season Team G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD Fum FumL
1998 Arizona 15 29 91 6.1 3.1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1
1999 Arizona 12 64 289 24.1 4.5 2 16 196 16.3 12.3 46 9.9 8 0 2 1
2000 Arizona 16 184 719 44.9 3.9 4 73 579 36.2 7.9 36 7.1 17 2 5 3
2001 Arizona 15 241 846 56.4 3.5 5 42 264 17.6 6.3 27 6.3 10 0 4 2
2002 Tampa Bay 16 204 718 44.9 3.5 1 59 477 29.8 8.1 64 7.3 18 0 3 2
2003 Tampa Bay 16 187 751 46.9 4.0 0 75 597 37.3 8.0 68 5.2 21 2 4 1
2004 Tampa Bay 13 219 926 71.2 4.2 7 41 391 30.1 9.5 68 7.7 12 3 6 6
2005 Tampa Bay 16 70 436 27.3 6.2 1 36 300 18.8 8.3 41 5.8 14 1 1 0
2006 Tampa Bay 16 50 245 15.3 4.9 1 47 405 25.3 8.6 25 6.5 15 0 1 0
2007 Tampa Bay 10 68 286 28.6 4.2 0 26 191 19.1 7.3 16 6.0 10 0 1 1
Career 145 1316 5307 36.6 4.0 21 415 3400 23.4 8.2 68 6.6 125 8 28 17

Last updated through games completed on Feb 10, 2008

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4326/career

Superchop 7
05-27-2008, 11:29 PM
Unless they plan on dumping Henry, it doesn't make alot of sense to me.

slim
05-27-2008, 11:31 PM
Unless they plan on dumping Henry, it doesn't make alot of sense to me.

I agree...Henry is in deep doo-doo.

broncosfanscott
05-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Well, the competition for RBs this season just keeps growing and growing. Henry is just going to have to really work now.

dogfish
05-28-2008, 12:01 AM
We've already got a couple of those. The last one slipped on a Mickey D's bag.


that move was more dumbass than badass. . . . :lol: :doh:



i'd say shenanigans just wanted another veteran back-- given henry's complete and total inability to avoid injuries since he's been here, he probably wants another experienced tailback on the roster in case henry gets broken in camp or in the preseason. . . pittman played some fullback for tampa last year, and if henry does happen to go down (certainly something they have to be concerned about, given his age and track record), pittman gives us a RB who is a proven pass protector as well as a reliable dump-off option-- something that can't be said about young, torrain, hall or alridge. . .

Nature Boy
05-28-2008, 12:06 AM
Earlier I said that I have Pittman penciled in behind Henry at #2. After looking at Pittman's career totals and the fact that he's going on his 11th year in the league, although he didn't put much wear and tear on his body, I'm gonna have to say Pittman will be lucky he makes the final cut. The Broncos just have way too many RBs in the stable.

TXBRONC
05-28-2008, 05:54 AM
Hes better than Henry.


Write it down. Study it hard. Memorize it.

Then say, 'I knew that' later in the year when hes running hard for the Broncos.

He's sturdier than Henry but I wouldn't say he's better than him as far skill are concerned. He's good a pick up in the sense that provides solid depth and he's been a solid contributor where ever he's been, but he's not a starting running back. Henry is when he's healthy.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 06:28 AM
I don't see Torian as a 1st round talent... he wasn't even the best back on his team. Keegan Herring came in after Torian was hurt and played just as good if not better. I also worry about his running style in the NFL. Hopefully he can learn to run lower to the ground or he won't last long. He does have some good production versus solid defenses and he can run well between the tackles, something the Broncos need with the lack of Henry. Pittman is another great addition as a runner in between the tackles. It will be interesting to see who Denver decides to go with for these important carries.

TD was not first round talent.....he was not the best back on Georgia that year.............Boss, Denver has ALOT of success finding GREAT backs for OUR system in the later rounds.........I am more than confident in Young and Toran, let alone having Henry and Hall.

TXBRONC
05-28-2008, 07:20 AM
TD was not first round talent.....he was not the best back on Georgia that year.............Boss, Denver has ALOT of success finding GREAT backs for OUR system in the later rounds.........I am more than confident in Young and Toran, let alone having Henry and Hall.

Yep TD played behind Garrison Hearst the two years that he was at UGA.

atwater27
05-28-2008, 10:26 AM
lame signing.
BY the way, all you Selvin and Andre Hall haters are going to eat your words come mid-season. They will be the top 2 backs on the roster and be in the process of tearing up the AFC West.

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 10:40 AM
TD was not first round talent.....he was not the best back on Georgia that year.............Boss, Denver has ALOT of success finding GREAT backs for OUR system in the later rounds.........I am more than confident in Young and Toran, let alone having Henry and Hall.

Did you hit yourself in the head with your ninja turtle num-chucks again? I think you missed my point. I understand TD wasn’t a 1st round pick. I understand that he wasn’t drafted with the label first round talent who happened to slip for some odd reason. My point was that Denver continues to draft late round back hoping they can find another TD type success story. I don’t know if they realize that those TD type success stories are super rare and that they are wasting away picks bringing in these lesser role players. They would have a lot more success if they would use at least a 2nd round pick on decent talent. Every year we read about how Shanahan doesn’t like one of our backs because of this or that….well guess what Shanahan…you aren’t going to like a lot of backs in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds, and undrafted free agents. Why do you think they are dropping that far? Look at what Clinton Portis did in our system. Look what happens when you get someone that actually has tremendous potential. Scouts are getting very good at evaluating talent. You put a good back in Denver and it will improve the offense immensely and we can stop using these late round picks on temporary plugs and address other positions of need.

tubby
05-28-2008, 10:43 AM
lame signing.
BY the way, all you Selvin and Andre Hall haters are going to eat your words come mid-season. They will be the top 2 backs on the roster and be in the process of tearing up the AFC West.

:lol: Young and Hall 1-2 :lol:

slim
05-28-2008, 10:45 AM
Did you hit yourself in the head with your ninja turtle num-chucks again? I think you missed my point. I understand TD wasn’t a 1st round pick. I understand that he wasn’t drafted with the label first round talent who happened to slip for some odd reason. My point was that Denver continues to draft late round back hoping they can find another TD type success story. I don’t know if they realize that those TD type success stories are super rare and that they are wasting away picks bringing in these lesser role players. They would have a lot more success if they would use at least a 2nd round pick on decent talent. Every year we read about how Shanahan doesn’t like one of our backs because of this or that….well guess what Shanahan…you aren’t going to like a lot of backs in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds, and undrafted free agents. Why do you think they are dropping that far? Look at what Clinton Portis did in our system. Look what happens when you get someone that actually has tremendous potential. Scouts are getting very good at evaluating talent. You put a good back in Denver and it will improve the offense immensely and we can stop using these late round picks on temporary plugs and address other positions of need.

Well, in fairness to Shanny, they did use a second round pick on a RB that really didn't pan out. Since then, they could have used a 1st day pick on RB, but they have had greater needs.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 10:48 AM
Did you hit yourself in the head with your ninja turtle num-chucks again? I think you missed my point. I understand TD wasn’t a 1st round pick. I understand that he wasn’t drafted with the label first round talent who happened to slip for some odd reason. My point was that Denver continues to draft late round back hoping they can find another TD type success story. I don’t know if they realize that those TD type success stories are super rare and that they are wasting away picks bringing in these lesser role players. They would have a lot more success if they would use at least a 2nd round pick on decent talent. Every year we read about how Shanahan doesn’t like one of our backs because of this or that….well guess what Shanahan…you aren’t going to like a lot of backs in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds, and undrafted free agents. Why do you think they are dropping that far? Look at what Clinton Portis did in our system. Look what happens when you get someone that actually has tremendous potential. Scouts are getting very good at evaluating talent. You put a good back in Denver and it will improve the offense immensely and we can stop using these late round picks on temporary plugs and address other positions of need.


Boss, you seem to get angry easily these days.................surprised you of all people TRY to insult me............I really don't care, but that is out of character from you.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 11:19 AM
We all know about TD..6th round....Anderson...6th round.............Gary......How about Droughns? A cast-off from the Lions, that we used as a Fullback and then later let become our feature back..............Boss, the Broncos NEVER need to draft a back in the 1st round...............N-E-V-E-R !!!!!!!

lex
05-28-2008, 11:25 AM
Did you hit yourself in the head with your ninja turtle num-chucks again? I think you missed my point. I understand TD wasn’t a 1st round pick. I understand that he wasn’t drafted with the label first round talent who happened to slip for some odd reason. My point was that Denver continues to draft late round back hoping they can find another TD type success story. I don’t know if they realize that those TD type success stories are super rare and that they are wasting away picks bringing in these lesser role players. They would have a lot more success if they would use at least a 2nd round pick on decent talent. Every year we read about how Shanahan doesn’t like one of our backs because of this or that….well guess what Shanahan…you aren’t going to like a lot of backs in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds, and undrafted free agents. Why do you think they are dropping that far? Look at what Clinton Portis did in our system. Look what happens when you get someone that actually has tremendous potential. Scouts are getting very good at evaluating talent. You put a good back in Denver and it will improve the offense immensely and we can stop using these late round picks on temporary plugs and address other positions of need.

Wow, great post. Well done!

lex
05-28-2008, 11:26 AM
Well, in fairness to Shanny, they did use a second round pick on a RB that really didn't pan out. Since then, they could have used a 1st day pick on RB, but they have had greater needs.

Not really. Not if you believe in leveraging your strengths.

underrated29
05-28-2008, 12:06 PM
We all know about TD..6th round....Anderson...6th round.............Gary......How about Droughns? A cast-off from the Lions, that we used as a Fullback and then later let become our feature back..............Boss, the Broncos NEVER need to draft a back in the 1st round...............N-E-V-E-R !!!!!!!



Yes i think they do. Clady was still a good pick. The right pick. But stewart would have done soooooo much for this club. He would unquestionable be the starting back. and I would venture to say that ALL anaylsts would peg him in for 1500.

I think right now, a lot of them already have him at about 1300 and ROY for the panthers.

We would eat the clock up with a guy like that. We would not have to worry about not scoring the tds. THat man will find pay dirt.

Shanny knows this. And if henry does not tear it up this year, and neither does the new young, or terrain this year or next year, Shanyy will get a RB within the 1st 2 picks.

Watchthemiddle
05-28-2008, 12:10 PM
I see Travis getting closer and closer to the edge of the cliff. lmao

There must be something going on behind closed doors to add another RB to the mix.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:11 PM
I would take Jim Brown over who we currently have too............but I also feel Young will do very well for us...................It comes down to what do we need most............another Runningback to go with Henry, Young and Hall? ..........or a Tackle to replace Pears? ............I would have loved Stewart or Mendenhall.............but not at the expense of a player we need alot more.

Lonestar
05-28-2008, 12:18 PM
Did you hit yourself in the head with your ninja turtle num-chucks again? I think you missed my point. I understand TD wasn’t a 1st round pick. I understand that he wasn’t drafted with the label first round talent who happened to slip for some odd reason. My point was that Denver continues to draft late round back hoping they can find another TD type success story. I don’t know if they realize that those TD type success stories are super rare and that they are wasting away picks bringing in these lesser role players. They would have a lot more success if they would use at least a 2nd round pick on decent talent. Every year we read about how Shanahan doesn’t like one of our backs because of this or that….well guess what Shanahan…you aren’t going to like a lot of backs in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds, and undrafted free agents. Why do you think they are dropping that far? Look at what Clinton Portis did in our system. Look what happens when you get someone that actually has tremendous potential. Scouts are getting very good at evaluating talent. You put a good back in Denver and it will improve the offense immensely and we can stop using these late round picks on temporary plugs and address other positions of need.


Good post let me add, he was dubbed the mastermind for his offensive and RB finding prowess.


Lately neither has been true he is desperately seeking that pot pf gold again.. Trying to re-validate his mastermind moniker.. IMO

lex
05-28-2008, 12:20 PM
I would take Jim Brown over who we currently have too............but I also feel Young will do very well for us...................It comes down to what do we need most............another Runningback to go with Henry, Young and Hall? ..........or a Tackle to replace Pears? ............I would have loved Stewart or Mendenhall.............but not at the expense of a player we need alot more.

Not really. It comes down to what makes us stronger.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:24 PM
How many different 1000 yard backs have we had since 1998? ................6?

TD....95, 96, 97, 98
Gary...99
Anderson..2001 and 2005
Portis 02, 03
Droughns ..04
Bell...06

I have to laugh when I hear about our running game, even today. .......I blame the playcalling way before I blame our backs.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Not really. It comes down to what makes us stronger.


Exactly.

lex
05-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Exactly.

Yeah, and addressing weakness doesnt always make us stronger than enhancing our strengths.

Watchthemiddle
05-28-2008, 12:29 PM
This just adds more competition at the RB position in camp.

I just hope it doesn't take reps away from guys who have the potential to be the #1 guy.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:30 PM
Yeah, and addressing weakness doesnt always make us stronger than enhancing our strengths.


Where is that scratching head guy.................because that makes little sense. :confused:

lex
05-28-2008, 12:31 PM
Where is that scratching head guy.................because that makes little sense. :confused:

It makes perfect sense.

Lonestar
05-28-2008, 12:32 PM
How many different 1000 yard backs have we had since 1998? ................6?

TD....95, 96, 97, 98
Gary...99
Anderson..2001 and 2005
Portis 02, 03
Droughns ..04
Bell...06

I have to laugh when I hear about our running game, even today. .......I blame the playcalling way before I blame our backs.

I blame the OLINE since late 2005 more so than anyone else, can't call a Running play if you can't get the blocks made. RB can't magically make yards if the, OLINE is getting beat up..

Since Lepsis went down and even in the PIT playoff game this OLINE has sucked when it counted getting the blocks made on 3rd and short or inside the red zone..

Hopefully we fixed the OLINE with this years off season, it make take a season for it to all come together..But it appears the players are here to make it work..

turftoad
05-28-2008, 12:32 PM
Yeah, and addressing weakness doesnt always make us stronger than enhancing our strengths.

So you're saying we should draft an RB in the first three rounds every year? Keep the best 10 and we should be set?

I totally understand when you say "leveraging your strengths" however, you still have to fill needs where there are no strenghts at all.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:35 PM
It makes perfect sense.

Okay............uh......it makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:36 PM
I blame the OLINE since late 2005 more so than anyone else, can't call a Running play if you can't get the blocks made. RB can't magically make yards if the, OLINE is getting beat up..

Since Lepsis went down and even in the PIT playoff game this OLINE has sucked when it counted getting the blocks made on 3rd and short or inside the red zone..

Hopefully we fixed the OLINE with this years off season, it make take a season for it to all come together..But it appears the players are here to make it work..


Tell that to Lex.............not me.

lex
05-28-2008, 12:37 PM
So you're saying we should draft an RB in the first three rounds every year? Keep the best 10 and we should be set?

I totally understand when you say "leveraging your strengths" however, you still have to fill needs where there are no strenghts at all.

Who said anything about every year? This aversion to taking a running back high is dumb for what Bosshog spelled out and also because if you look at the guys HolyDriver listed, you can always say, "if Ruben Droughns ran for 1200 yards, imagine how much someone who is actually good could run for." And it would be true.

Medford Bronco
05-28-2008, 12:38 PM
I see Travis getting closer and closer to the edge of the cliff. lmao

I hope no one pushes him or he is soo high that he goes there himself.

I hope Pittman does great and we rid ourselves of "father of the year" once and for all. bye :wave: Travis

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 12:38 PM
How many different 1000 yard backs have we had since 1998? ................6?

TD....95, 96, 97, 98
Gary...99
Anderson..2001 and 2005
Portis 02, 03
Droughns ..04
Bell...06

I have to laugh when I hear about our running game, even today. .......I blame the playcalling way before I blame our backs.

1,000 yards isn't really that impressive any more.... All you have to do is average a little over 62 rushing yards a game. Just over 15 yards per quarter...this isn't that hard to do, especially in Denver's run first system. Denver needs a player who has a nose for the end zone. Yards are good and all, but we need to solve this red zone depression.

lex
05-28-2008, 12:39 PM
Tell that to Lex.............not me.

Why does he need to tell me that. Ive been advocating addressing the OLine too. Its all what Im telling you about accentuating your strength which for us has been the running game. To that end, I think we should square away our OLine and RB situation. Go look at the look ahead to 2009 thread. Im advocating drafting Duke Robinson a LG. But the notion that we shouldnt draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd as a rule, is a joke.

turftoad
05-28-2008, 12:41 PM
Who said anything about every year? This aversion to taking a running back high is dumb for what Bosshog spelled out and also because if you look at the guys HolyDriver listed, you can always say, "if Ruben Droughns ran for 1200 yards, imagine how much someone who is actually good could run for." And it would be true.

Fair enough Lex. However, there is no guarantee that a rookie RB is going to be actually good.

If I had the time I would go through the first round RB busts in the last 25 years.

There's more than a handful of them.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:41 PM
1,000 yards isn't really that impressive any more.... All you have to do is average a little over 62 rushing yards a game. Just over 15 yards per quarter...this isn't that hard to do, especially in Denver's run first system. Denver needs a player who has a nose for the end zone. Yards are good and all, but we need to solve this red zone depression.


Anderson, TD and Portis..............all had mulitple 1500 yard seasons..( Anderson actually 1487) ..........And Anderson and Bell almost BOTH had 1000 yards................We drop the damn RBC crap and either Young or Henry will rack up an easy 1400 yards or more.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:42 PM
Why does he need to tell me that. Ive been advocating addressing the OLine too. Its all what Im telling you about accentuating your strength which for us has been the running game. To that end, I think we should square away our OLine and RB situation. Go look at the look ahead to 2009 thread. Im advocating drafting Duke Robinson a LG. But the notion that we shouldnt draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd as a rule, is a joke.

That's the problem...............alot of members advocate all kinds of positions................trouble is, we only have ONE number 1 pick............So, you need to decide what is more important. ................We all want a great back..........but at what price?

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 12:44 PM
Anderson, TD and Portis..............all had mulitple 1500 yard seasons..( Anderson actually 1487) ..........And Anderson and Bell almost BOTH had 1000 yards................We drop the damn RBC crap and either Young or Henry will rack up an easy 1400 yards or more.

TD - lucky pick
Portis - 2nd round pick who was labled 1st round talent

You aren't proving to me anything I don't know..... Please convince me that our late round RB antics aren't the reason for our lack of TD's in the red zone....because as far as I'm concerned he smaller but more talent Portis got it done and our lucky pick and all Bronco RB Terrell Davis are really the only ones who got the job done in the red zone.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 12:51 PM
TD - lucky pick
Portis - 2nd round pick who was labled 1st round talent

You aren't proving to me anything I don't know..... Please convince me that our late round RB antics aren't the reason for our lack of TD's in the red zone....because as far as I'm concerned he smaller but more talent Portis got it done and our lucky pick and all Bronco RB Terrell Davis are really the only ones who got the job done in the red zone.


Okay fine, they were ALL lucky picks Boss........And Droughns was a lucky find................Here we go again.....Would I like Stewart or Mendehall over Henry? .................Yes.............And I satisfied with Clady as out #1 pick.............yes, even though I wanted a DT addressed alot earlier than the 5th round. ..................I just have alot more confidnece in Young than you do.............so, I don't see our running game as a weakness.

lex
05-28-2008, 12:53 PM
Fair enough Lex. However, there is no guarantee that a rookie RB is going to be actually good.

If I had the time I would go through the first round RB busts in the last 25 years.

There's more than a handful of them.

Theres probably a greater guarantee that a RB will do well in Denver.

Lonestar
05-28-2008, 12:53 PM
TD - lucky pick
Portis - 2nd round pick who was labled 1st round talent

You aren't proving to me anything I don't know..... Please convince me that our late round RB antics aren't the reason for our lack of TD's in the red zone....because as far as I'm concerned he smaller but more talent Portis got it done and our lucky pick and all Bronco RB Terrell Davis are really the only ones who got the job done in the red zone.

add Mike bell to the list.. He did fine down there, much to taters dismay....

turftoad
05-28-2008, 01:03 PM
TD - lucky pick
Portis - 2nd round pick who was labled 1st round talent

You aren't proving to me anything I don't know..... Please convince me that our late round RB antics aren't the reason for our lack of TD's in the red zone....because as far as I'm concerned he smaller but more talent Portis got it done and our lucky pick and all Bronco RB Terrell Davis are really the only ones who got the job done in the red zone.

Shanahan has labeled Torain a first round talent also.

Look at the O Lines that TD, Portis and the other late rounders ran behind. They were a lot better than what we've had the last few years. They were better in the red zone. Also.............. remember............ we don't have Alex Gibbs coaching the O Line anymore either. Probably the reason we addressed the O Line in earlier rounds this year.

lex
05-28-2008, 01:25 PM
Shanahan has labeled Torain a first round talent also.

Look at the O Lines that TD, Portis and the other late rounders ran behind. They were a lot better than what we've had the last few years. They were better in the red zone. Also.............. remember............ we don't have Alex Gibbs coaching the O Line anymore either. Probably the reason we addressed the O Line in earlier rounds this year.


Shanahan says a lot of things including comparing Griese to Joe Montana and Mike Bell to Terrell Davis.

atwater27
05-28-2008, 01:28 PM
It makes perfect sense.

nuh uh!
uh huh.
nuh uh!
uh huh.
nuh uh!

lex
05-28-2008, 01:38 PM
nuh uh!
uh huh.
nuh uh!
uh huh.
nuh uh!

Pretty much. Its all out there. No need to say it twice.

atwater27
05-28-2008, 01:50 PM
Pretty much. Its all out there. No need to say it twice.

What really is out there?

lex
05-28-2008, 01:55 PM
What really is out there?

Uh, what you were referencing. Duh.

atwater27
05-28-2008, 01:57 PM
Uh, what you were referencing. Duh.

the truth? is the truth out there, lexie?

lex
05-28-2008, 02:11 PM
the truth? is the truth out there, lexie?

You really had no dog in this fight yet now you come along and want to be spoonfed everything. Get the hell out of here.

atwater27
05-28-2008, 02:12 PM
You really had no dog in this fight yet now you come along and want to be spoonfed everything. Get the hell out of here.

Spoonfeed me what? I want to know what you know lexie! Will you teach me the way?

dogfish
05-28-2008, 02:21 PM
just because you guys don't like lex, doesn't mean that the point he's trying to make has no validity. . . whether or not spending a high pick on the position is your preference, you're kidding yourselves if you think we can't do better than guys like mike bell, tater bell, reuben droughns. . . or travis henry. . . .


someday, denver is going to get a REAL running back in here again, and a lot of you are going to be amazed at how much better our running game is compared to what it's been the past few years. . . productive isn't a synonym for dominant!

atwater27
05-28-2008, 02:28 PM
just because you guys don't like lex, doesn't mean that the point he's trying to make has no validity. . . whether or not spending a high pick on the position is your preference, you're kidding yourselves if you think we can't do better than guys like mike bell, tater bell, reuben droughns. . . or travis henry. . . .


someday, denver is going to get a REAL running back in here again, and a lot of you are going to be amazed at how much better our running game is compared to what it's been the past few years. . . productive isn't a synonym for dominant!

We have no need for a dominant running back when every other running back in the NFL practices being dominant against our defense.
Paying for a dominant running back now would be like buying a $10,000 air conditioning system for your house when your roof is leaking and your wiring is shorting.
It's all about priorities. Not to say, by the way, that Shanahan even adressed those properly. I think it was a pretty dreadful offseason.

omac
05-28-2008, 02:36 PM
We have no need for a dominant running back when every other running back in the NFL practices being dominant against our defense.
Paying for a dominant running back now would be like buying a $10,000 air conditioning system for your house when your roof is leaking and your wiring is shorting.
It's all about priorities. Not to say, by the way, that Shanahan even adressed those properly. I think it was a pretty dreadful offseason.

I think that's a great point. I don't agree that it's been a dreadful offseason, but I do agree that trying to land a premiere runningback when we have bigger problems is not the right way to go.

turftoad
05-28-2008, 02:37 PM
just because you guys don't like lex, doesn't mean that the point he's trying to make has no validity. . . whether or not spending a high pick on the position is your preference, you're kidding yourselves if you think we can't do better than guys like mike bell, tater bell, reuben droughns. . . or travis henry. . . .


someday, denver is going to get a REAL running back in here again, and a lot of you are going to be amazed at how much better our running game is compared to what it's been the past few years. . . productive isn't a synonym for dominant!

I like Lex,

Just saying, it takes every offensive player on the field to have a dominant running game. Sheeeesh.......... I remember watching Eddie Mac and Rod blocking like crazy down field for TD.

atwater27
05-28-2008, 02:39 PM
As bruising and amazing TD was to watch, it is obvious Eddie and Rod enhanced his performances some.

lex
05-28-2008, 02:48 PM
Spoonfeed me what? I want to know what you know lexie! Will you teach me the way?


Thats ok, dude. I know youre doing the best you can. But its time to just walk away from this one.

lex
05-28-2008, 02:51 PM
just because you guys don't like lex, doesn't mean that the point he's trying to make has no validity. . . whether or not spending a high pick on the position is your preference, you're kidding yourselves if you think we can't do better than guys like mike bell, tater bell, reuben droughns. . . or travis henry. . . .


someday, denver is going to get a REAL running back in here again, and a lot of you are going to be amazed at how much better our running game is compared to what it's been the past few years. . . productive isn't a synonym for dominant!

People dont like me? Thats upsetting.

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 02:58 PM
We are all going to have mixed emotions and opinions on what the Broncos need and how our current runningback depth will pan out... but one thing is for certain we need to score more touchdowns.

2000- 21 rushing TD's - 11-5 record
2001- 7 rushing TD's - 8-8 record
2002- 21 rushing TD's - 9-7 record
2003- 20 rushing TD's - 10-6 record
2004- 13 rushing TD's - 10-6 record
2005- 25 rushing TD's - 13-3 record
2006- 12 rushing TD's - 9-7 record
2007- 10 rushing TD's - 7-9 record

Take a look at individual performace in those bad record years:

2001 - Mike Anderson 4 TD's
2006 - Mike Bell 8 TD's (wasn't even leading rusher)
2007 - Travis Henry 4 TD's

Anderson and Portis were the only two backs to score double digit TD's in one season since 2000

Anderson: 2000, 2005
Portis: 2002, 2003


Denver does better when they can run the football and stick it in the endzone. We need someone to step up and score TD's.....screw the Yards...we need points.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 03:00 PM
I think in 2000 Anderson had 15 td's.

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 03:01 PM
Here is the problem..........2005, 2006 and 2007, all runningback by committee.

slim
05-28-2008, 03:06 PM
We are all going to have mixed emotions and opinions on what the Broncos need and how our current runningback depth will pan out... but one thing is for certain we need to score more touchdowns.

2000- 21 rushing TD's - 11-5 record
2001- 7 rushing TD's - 8-8 record
2002- 21 rushing TD's - 9-7 record
2003- 20 rushing TD's - 10-6 record
2004- 13 rushing TD's - 10-6 record
2005- 25 rushing TD's - 13-3 record
2006- 12 rushing TD's - 9-7 record
2007- 10 rushing TD's - 7-9 record

Take a look at individual performace in those bad record years:

2001 - Mike Anderson 4 TD's
2006 - Mike Bell 8 TD's (wasn't even leading rusher)
2007 - Travis Henry 4 TD's

Anderson and Portis were the only two backs to score double digit TD's in one season since 2000

Anderson: 2000, 2005
Portis: 2002, 2003


Denver does better when they can run the football and stick it in the endzone. We need someone to step up and score TD's.....screw the Yards...we need points.

I agree, but I think the problem is with the OL, not at RB. JMO.

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 03:06 PM
Scout.com breaks down starting NFL players positions by the rounds selected in the draft. Starting running backs and quarterbacks are most often found in the first round. Starting NFL lineman are average being taken in the fourth round.
Draft specialist in the first two rounds such as Q.B., Running Back, D.B., T.E., Linebacker and Receivers.

I tend to agree with their assessment to a point...of course there is always a few exceptions. This year was one of those years I felt we would have been better off taking a running back. I felt the same way when we picked D.J. Williams and Steven Jackson was still on the board. Of course this is just my opinion and my feelings toward the draft and it doesn't matter much. I just hope Denver did the right thing and Clady comes in and makes me eat a ton of Crow.

Requiem / The Dagda
05-28-2008, 03:09 PM
We should have our pick this year if all else fails, BOSS. I like Torain, but his Lisfranc injury is a little scary, but he seems to be fine. He's very young (22 I believe) and has a lot of days ahead of him if he actually gets it. You know that I was all for a RB too, but felt that Clady would have been too good to pass up. Let's hope next year (unless Torain rocks it) is the year we finally get that super awesome back!

HolyDiver
05-28-2008, 03:10 PM
RBC and no Kubiak = less TD's and one unhappy Boss30

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 03:16 PM
I agree, but I think the problem is with the OL, not at RB. JMO.

That is where many of us bumped heads when it came to OT or RB before we selected Ryan Clady. Some of us wanted Clady and Torian and others wanted Stewart and Zuttah.......

Some of us felt that our O-line wasn't as bad as some may seem due to injuries, player movement, and youth. These people were ok with RB early and an OT later in the draft. The other opinion was those who felt we had too many questions on the o-line and we were seeing a decline in production because of either talent or age. These people are ok with selecting a running back later because of Denver's history of finding productive backs later in the draft and they felt the need for a potential pro bowl talent OT was far more greater of a need.

After it was all said and done...Denver's organization felt the same way with the OT evaluators. This is all that matters for now. Does it mean us RB supporters need to change our opinions? I don’t think so; it just means we will have a harder time defending off the critics.

At least we drafted a need. I think we can all be happy with that.

BOSSHOGG30
05-28-2008, 03:22 PM
RBC and no Kubiak = less TD's and one unhappy Boss30

the RBC doesn't bother me at all. I think you have to have some sort of RBC in today's NFL. I really like what the Steelers, Jags, Chargers, Redskins, Cowboys, and Patriots are doing. They understand that just because you have one top notch back that it doesn't mean you don't need another one. Injuries happen and you can't predict them, but you can try your best to provide your team with enough depth to make up for any mishaps. Denver is doing this now by signing Pittman. Good move on there part. But when you look at the roster I don't see on guy that would start on any of the good NFL teams. We don't have that starter. This bothers me just a little bit. It has nothing to do with the depth because I do believe the depth is solid, but that doesn't say too much because we don't have that one guy defenses key on to help Cutler and our passing attack. (which is another problem because our passing attack isn't all that scary either). This all together worries me because I think it means it will be harder for our offense to score. We all know that putting points on the board are what really matters on offense as well as an offense that can control the clock if need be.

LRtagger
05-28-2008, 03:55 PM
1st round RB in 09!!!

turftoad
05-28-2008, 04:20 PM
1st round RB in 09!!!

Unless Torain and Young prove they can tote the rock with some authority. Then we'll be able to address other needs like we did this year.

I was on the fence before the draft. OT and RB were the only real value there at #12 this year.
Yep.... it would have been nice to have a top notch RB but if Clady can be even close to what Walter Jones, Johathan Ogden, Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace etc... etc.... were to thier teams for 10-12 years, I'd be very happy. :D

lex
05-28-2008, 04:29 PM
1st round RB in 09!!!

2008 RBs > 2009 RBs

atwater27
05-28-2008, 05:09 PM
Thats ok, dude. I know youre doing the best you can. But its time to just walk away from this one.

Walk away from what? What in god's name are you talking about?
Are we in the twilight zone or something?

Northman
05-28-2008, 05:11 PM
I think we need to take a QB first next year.

TXBRONC
05-28-2008, 06:07 PM
What really is out there?

The truth.

turftoad
05-28-2008, 06:33 PM
I think we need to take a QB first next year.

I guess that would be as Lex would call it "leveraging your strengths". :D

TXBRONC
05-28-2008, 06:36 PM
I guess that would be as Lex would call it "leveraging your strengths". :D

Probably so. :lol:

lex
05-28-2008, 06:49 PM
I guess that would be as Lex would call it "leveraging your strengths". :D

Not even close. Why even guess?

turftoad
05-28-2008, 06:53 PM
Not even close. Why even guess?

JK buddy.

LRtagger
05-28-2008, 07:50 PM
2008 RBs > 2009 RBs

Probably true, but there will be some studs next year on day one

Wells, Moreno, Johnson, Fletcher, Hill, Davis, etc all of which are better options than Henry.

It will be hard to top the talent and depth at the position from the 2008 draft which is exactly why I (and others) thought using a day one pick on one would have been a smart move.

I hope Clady proves me wrong.

lex
05-28-2008, 08:23 PM
Probably true, but there will be some studs next year on day one

Wells, Moreno, Johnson, Fletcher, Hill, Davis, etc all of which are better options than Henry.

It will be hard to top the talent and depth at the position from the 2008 draft which is exactly why I (and others) thought using a day one pick on one would have been a smart move.

I hope Clady proves me wrong.

Meh. At this point, Id rather address other areas. It was kind of silly to not take one this past year. Might as well wait one more year and address OL, DL, LB, S, or WR.

dogfish
05-28-2008, 10:27 PM
I like Lex,

Just saying, it takes every offensive player on the field to have a dominant running game. Sheeeesh.......... I remember watching Eddie Mac and Rod blocking like crazy down field for TD.


As bruising and amazing TD was to watch, it is obvious Eddie and Rod enhanced his performances some.


for sure, and the effect of wide receivers blocking down field is something i've pointed out many times-- i can't remember a team that had two starting wideouts who were better blockers than those guys, and they most definitely were fun to watch. . .

of course, it's not like we're devoid of that type of presence now, either-- brandon marshall is a straigh-up body rocker in the running game! his technique may not be as reliable yet as the crafty old vets, but he is every bit as physical, and it's obvious that he takes pride in his blocking and really gives good effort. . . in time, i think he can be every bit as good as easy ed, and IMO ed was the best i've seen. . .

Retired_Member_001
05-29-2008, 06:36 AM
for sure, and the effect of wide receivers blocking down field is something i've pointed out many times-- i can't remember a team that had two starting wideouts who were better blockers than those guys, and they most definitely were fun to watch. . .

of course, it's not like we're devoid of that type of presence now, either-- brandon marshall is a straigh-up body rocker in the running game! his technique may not be as reliable yet as the crafty old vets, but he is every bit as physical, and it's obvious that he takes pride in his blocking and really gives good effort. . . in time, i think he can be every bit as good as easy ed, and IMO ed was the best i've seen. . .

You've got to wonder though, once BMarsh gets paid, whether that tough blocking is going to continue to be there or whether he will just get lazy.

TXBRONC
05-29-2008, 07:12 AM
for sure, and the effect of wide receivers blocking down field is something i've pointed out many times-- i can't remember a team that had two starting wideouts who were better blockers than those guys, and they most definitely were fun to watch. . .

of course, it's not like we're devoid of that type of presence now, either-- brandon marshall is a straigh-up body rocker in the running game! his technique may not be as reliable yet as the crafty old vets, but he is every bit as physical, and it's obvious that he takes pride in his blocking and really gives good effort. . . in time, i think he can be every bit as good as easy ed, and IMO ed was the best i've seen. . .

Marshall blowing up that linebacker in the Bills game last year reminded me of Mac blowing up that linebacker in Super Bowl XXXII.

Ziggy
05-29-2008, 08:41 AM
From the Rocky Mountain News:

PITTMAN'S FIRST FUMBLE: Pittman insists he still can do it all on the football field, first impressions not withstanding.

The 11th-year running back fumbled his first carry in a Broncos uniform after signing a one-year deal that will pay him $830,000 if he makes the 53-man roster.

"I came out here and I'm trying to impress the coaches. On my first carry, I dropped the ball. It was a fumble because our zone play at Tampa was a little wider than Denver's zone play. It is an adjustment for me. I will adjust and I won't put the ball on the ground again," Pittman said. "I'm here to make a lot of noise. I didn't come in here for three, four, five weeks to be in camp to get cut. I'm here to make a lot of noise and make this team."

Pittman said he'll do exactly what he did for six seasons with Tampa: take handoffs, lead block, catch passes and return punts and kicks.

"I will do whatever I am asked to do. I'll play receiver, I'll play running back, I'll play fullback. I did all that at Tampa," he said. "It's all about helping the team win."

turftoad
05-29-2008, 09:56 AM
If he makes the team I'll be suprised.

If he was still able to do what he used to be able to do, don't ya think TB would have signed him for the vet min?

Northman
05-29-2008, 12:02 PM
If he makes the team I'll be suprised.

If he was still able to do what he used to be able to do, don't ya think TB would have signed him for the vet min?


Either way, i like the way he is talking. It at least means he is going to try, now whether or not he succeeds is another thing. But i like his thinking right now. Sometimes just a change of scenery can help a player.

dogfish
05-29-2008, 01:16 PM
You've got to wonder though, once BMarsh gets paid, whether that tough blocking is going to continue to be there or whether he will just get lazy.


i'm not a bit worried about it. . . according to all reports, the kid loves the game and has an insane work ethic. . . just because he's immarture doesn't make him a bum. . .




Marshall blowing up that linebacker in the Bills game last year reminded me of Mac blowing up that linebacker in Super Bowl XXXII.



exactly! it was very similar-- total de-cleater. . . there was a gif of that floating around, wish i could find it. . . .

dogfish
05-29-2008, 01:17 PM
If he makes the team I'll be suprised.

If he was still able to do what he used to be able to do, don't ya think TB would have signed him for the vet min?

they brought back warrick dunn, who is a superior player-- throw in earnest graham and possibly cadillac williams, and they didn't need pittman any more. . . .

turftoad
05-29-2008, 02:14 PM
they brought back warrick dunn, who is a superior player-- throw in earnest graham and possibly cadillac williams, and they didn't need pittman any more. . . .

Dunn is old and not what he used to be. Caddy is a great big if right now. Graham had a good year and is not attending camp right now because he wants a new contract.

Hell, we're in better shape than they are.

BOSSHOGG30
05-29-2008, 02:18 PM
JMO:

Pittman > Henry & Hall

Pittman = Torian (for now)

Pittman < Young

shank
05-29-2008, 02:19 PM
d jax and colbert are also good run blockers, and i'm sure royal has the strength and willingness to block too.

i'm not worried about brandon getting lazy. he seems to LOVE throwing blocks. you can see that he just has so much fun putting people on their asses, that he's going to continue to do so.

what game was it where he threw two blocks on the touchdown run? he put one guy down, and then turned around and took the guy trailing the ball carrier out of the play as well?

Ziggy
05-29-2008, 02:25 PM
I like Lex,

Just saying, it takes every offensive player on the field to have a dominant running game. Sheeeesh.......... I remember watching Eddie Mac and Rod blocking like crazy down field for TD.


Like this? Sorry it's off topic, but you have to love this one...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iRfE3uL-lc

turftoad
05-29-2008, 04:11 PM
Like this? Sorry it's off topic, but you have to love this one...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iRfE3uL-lc

Yep......... just like that. I loved watching that guy.

I love the finger point after that block.

Npba900
05-29-2008, 07:47 PM
Check out the new Hoss in town..... :cool:

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/images/GeorgeBushMichaelPittman.jpg

http://femmefan.com/site/images/lookerspics/lookers4/Michael_Pittman.jpg

Man, he must throw a "Mean Stiff-Arm"!:D

Npba900
05-29-2008, 07:51 PM
Probably true, but there will be some studs next year on day one

Wells, Moreno, Johnson, Fletcher, Hill, Davis, etc all of which are better options than Henry.

It will be hard to top the talent and depth at the position from the 2008 draft which is exactly why I (and others) thought using a day one pick on one would have been a smart move.

I hope Clady proves me wrong.

Well one thing is for sure, in order for Cutler to reach his full potential he is going to need a Pro Bowl RB who's capable of putting together five of seven seasons of 1600-1800 yds and 17-25 TDs in the very near future.

TXBRONC
05-29-2008, 08:23 PM
Yep......... just like that. I loved watching that guy.

I love the finger point after that block.

I never get tired of seeing that highlight.

Watchthemiddle
05-29-2008, 08:31 PM
Looks like Pittman has been hanging out with David Boston....GEESH!!!

Anyone know if he has a fumbling problem? I bet not with those pipes!!

Scarface
05-31-2008, 09:46 AM
why not try kevin jones he's younger

But he sucks.

Italianmobstr7
05-31-2008, 09:56 AM
But he sucks.

He doesn't suck, he's just ALWAYS hurt.

Scarface
05-31-2008, 10:03 AM
He doesn't suck, he's just ALWAYS hurt.

Had a good rookie. Hasn't cracked more than 700yds since. Hasn't cracked 4yds a carry since. Usually dinged up. Dude sucks.

turftoad
05-31-2008, 10:05 AM
Had a good rookie. Hasn't cracked more than 700yds since. Hasn't cracked 4yds a carry since. Usually dinged up. Dude sucks.

But look who he played for Scar.

They suck.

Scarface
05-31-2008, 10:39 AM
But look who he played for Scar.

They suck.

When life gives you lemons....

TXBRONC
05-31-2008, 10:42 PM
But look who he played for Scar.

They suck.

Even so I've never thought Pittman was starting running back. He's always been productive as number a number two back and that's fine, we need solid depth.

Npba900
06-01-2008, 12:41 PM
How many different 1000 yard backs have we had since 1998? ................6?

TD....95, 96, 97, 98
Gary...99
Anderson..2001 and 2005
Portis 02, 03
Droughns ..04
Bell...06

I have to laugh when I hear about our running game, even today. .......I blame the playcalling way before I blame our backs.

I think just rushing for 1,000 to 1,200 yards as a measurment of success for a RB in todays NFL is a bit mis-leading. To rush for 1K to 1.2K yards, a RB needs to average only 62 to 70 yards per game. That's nothing to get excited about IMHO.

Anoter aspect that has been missing from the running game is the low out put of TD's scored by Denver running backs. How effective is a RB gaining 1,000 yards of more if they're TD's are below 7 or 10 tds.

The Broncos (Shanny) needs to at least have the goal of finding another RB of Clinton Portis talent who can avg 1,500 yards or more and 13-15 tds or more. Portis was taken in the 2nd round.

If the current game plan with the stable of RB's we have in 2008 does not work to a 1,500 yd and 10-15 td running back.....then the writing is on the wall for the 2009 draft, and it says Shanahan needs to take the best available RB when they draft in the 1st or 2nd round.

Now if Henry, Hall, Young or Torain ends up becoming a 1500 plus and 10-15 td season, then Shanahan can not continue with his philosophy over the last four years of drafting RB's late or bringing in FA etc.

I wish there had been away to have kept Portis but things happen for a reason. One think is for sure the Broncos need to find and draft another TD or Portis type of RB btwn 2009 and 2011!!