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Lonestar
05-06-2010, 10:59 PM
Krieger: It's time to show Elvis the money
By Dave Krieger
The Denver Post
POSTED: 05/06/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT
UPDATED: 05/06/2010 05:39:02 PM MDT


It is early yet, which is the best thing you can say about Elvis Dumervil being in contract limbo.

The Broncos have all spring to lock up the NFL's sack leader with a multiyear deal, if that's their plan. Everything they say suggests it is, except for the references to labor "uncertainty."

That's code for a possible lockout in 2011. There's no telling when the issues underlying that pending confrontation will be settled, but it won't be this spring.

In the meantime, Dumervil is staying away from the Broncos' offseason program, working out on his own in Miami. As a restricted free agent who has not signed the team's one-year tender, he is not under contract. He is also keeping quiet about it, as is his agent.

For the Broncos' second-year management team, giving Dumervil a fair deal will send an important message to the rest of the locker room about the value of being a team player under coach Josh McDaniels.

After all, Dumervil changed positions last year, from defensive end in a 4-3 defense to outside linebacker in a 3-4, did so without complaint and put up a league-leading 17 sacks along the way.

Everybody in that locker room saw what happened to Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall. They agitated their way out of town and took a lot of grief from Broncos fans along the way. But they also got paid. Each was awarded an eight-figure contract extension from his new team.

By contrast, Dumervil and quarterback Kyle Orton have been good soldiers, and they're looking at modest one-year deals because their unrestricted free agency was delayed by the labor trouble.

Whether Orton ever gets to look at much more than that is now in doubt, with more celebrated rivals showing up in trade and through the draft.

That leaves Dumervil, and recent precedent suggests long-term harmony won't come cheap:

Texans linebacker DeMeco Ryans got a six-year, $48 million deal. Like Dumervil, he was a restricted free agent looking at a $3.1 million tender before Houston management intervened.

Niners linebacker Patrick Willis got a five-year, $50 million extension even though his rookie contract still had two years to run.

Saints guard Jahri Evans got a seven-year, $56 million deal. Like Dumervil, Evans was a restricted free agent drafted in the fourth round in 2006 and named to his first Pro Bowl last season.

Asked about Dumervil's contract status at his predraft news conference, this is what McDaniels said:

"I know that is a frustrating situation for all of us. We are looking at a place right now in the league where there is some uncertainty for us going forward. I think that is holding up some things on a lot of teams and in a lot of organizations. I think that is part of the whole entire thing.

"We are thrilled with Elvis Dumervil's season last year and excited to have him back and looking forward to his production continuing on for years. As of right now, I know he is working hard in Miami, he stays in touch with Wink (defensive coordinator Don Martindale) and I think we will all be excited when he is back. It is what it is, and other than that, there isn't much to talk about."

Under the labor rules, which tilt toward the owners in the collective bargaining agreement's final year, the Broncos could force Dumervil to play by the terms of his one-year tender or sit out. That would risk sending a message to the locker room that loyalty is demanded but not rewarded.

About the only reasons to suspect trouble are the Broncos' potential reluctance to commit money to 2011 and the history of pugnacious negotiations in New England under Bill Belichick, McDaniels' former employer. Patriots two-time Pro Bowl guard Logan Mankins is in the same situation as Dumervil and said this about it at the end of the season:

"You think about it. You see other guys signing extensions, and you wish you were one of those guys with an extension. You'll have to ask the powers that be around here if I'm going to get one or not. Because I don't know."

McDaniels used the team-first ethic to galvanize support for his trades of Cutler, Marshall and Tony Scheffler, and pretty effectively too. But if it's going to resonate in that locker room, the loyalty needs to roll both ways.

Football players know their careers are always one play away from blowing up. They still call their league the Not For Long. A new deal for Doom would go a long way toward showing that team-first is a two-way street.

Dave Krieger: 303-954-5297, dkrieger@denverpost.com or twitter.com/DaveKrieger

dogfish
05-07-2010, 12:47 AM
kreiger's hit or miss, at best. . . he's goofy, but not generally obnoxious in the mold of that bum kiszla. . . this is probably the best article he's ever written. . .

he's totally right. . . it doesn't absolutely have to happen this year (would be vastly preferrable, IMO), but the rest of the guys are most definitely going to be watching doom's situation. . . people on message boards can talk all they want about him being one-dimensional, but the guy was an all-pro last year, and anyone who thinks that doesn't carry a lot of clout in the industry is kidding themself. . . read about the HOF inductees, and it never fails to list their number of all-pro seasons. . .

quibble about exactly how much if you want, but the guy deserves to be paid. . . and if we trade him, or let him walk in free agency, i really do think it reinforces the message that you better go somewhere else if you want to get paid. . . i'm as optimistic as anyone else about the young talent we've brought on, but we're not new england just yet, where we can just plug guys in. . .

we may have hired one of their coaches, but we don't have that established culture of winning yet-- OR the superstar quarterback that covers up a lot of other flaws. . .

and even that team has had certain building blocks over the years-- of course there's brady, they've had some of the same OLs for years now, and their trio of defensive linemen up until last year. . . they've also let plenty of guys go, but they generally had options on hand to replace them, or were capable of getting production from lesser talents through scheme, coaching, and their surrounding talent. . . again, we're not there yet. . .

CoachChaz
05-07-2010, 06:25 AM
I'll stick to my opinion. i love the guy but i don't want to see a big chunk of cap space go to a pass rush specialist. and yes...that's all he is at the moment. no way does he deserve the money that Ware, Willis or Ryans get
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Mr D
05-07-2010, 06:32 AM
I'll stick to my opinion. i love the guy but i don't want to see a big chunk of cap space go to a pass rush specialist. and yes...that's all he is at the moment. no way does he deserve the money that Ware, Willis or Ryans get
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I've been thinking this too. I know Broncos fans don't like it because most people play favorites - but the fact is this. He's not an elite player like Patrick Willis or Ware where he is effective in more than 1 phase of the defense.

I believe most, if not, all of Dumervil's sacks last season came with his hands on the ground before the snap, when they had 4 dlineman which is pretty much what he has always done. Because he got the new label of a "OLB", it made him blow up in the media. Denver did a great job of incorporating him into the defense, but he has a lot of trouble rushing the QB with his hands off the ground.

I know this is a touchy subject with a lot of fans because he is so loved - but I definitely don't doubt there is debate going on. That would be a lot of money tied up in an area. I wouldn't say he's dominate as a Champ Bailey, Patrick Willis, or Ware at his position. He is a specialist...

However, Elvis has every right to make his demands, and he has a great attitude to go along with it.

Dirk
05-07-2010, 06:33 AM
I'll stick to my opinion. i love the guy but i don't want to see a big chunk of cap space go to a pass rush specialist. and yes...that's all he is at the moment. no way does he deserve the money that Ware, Willis or Ryans get
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I have to agree with you. I love Doom, but outside of his pass rushing skills he is average at best as a LB. Hence the reason no one was interested in signing him to an offer sheet.

Mr D
05-07-2010, 06:46 AM
Though Elvis did play on average 83% of the snaps in 2009, here is his ratings against the run...

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=dumervil&playerid=3071&group=6

1 game in the green against the worst or 2nd worst run offense in the league...Chargers... and 8 in the red.

His coverage?

7 passes were thrown his way and 5 were completed for an average of 14.4 yards. with a 104.5 QB rating when thrown his way.

Now compare him to a real 3-4 OLB, Woodley, Harrison, Ware...

James Harrison

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=&surn=harrison&playerid=1251

Demarcus Ware

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=harrison&playerid=2228&group=

Lamarr Woodley

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=woodley&playerid=2228&group=

They all are great against the run AND pass.

Even Clay Matthews

http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=&surn=matthews&playerid=4949

Effective against the run AND the pass.

On top of that - they can all rush the passer with their hands off the ground.

claymore
05-07-2010, 07:06 AM
I hope we can squeeze out another RFA contract with Doom next year.

CoachChaz
05-07-2010, 07:37 AM
One of two things will happen this year. Either Doom will become a more complete player or he'll be exposed and be lucky to get ten sacks. his contract will depend on that and that's likely why Denver is waiting on offering more money
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broncofaninfla
05-07-2010, 07:47 AM
I have a problem paying free agents big money to come to Denver but not paying "Broncos" who have proven themselves to be among the best in their position. Doom has proven his worth to this team in production and by being a class act on and off of the field. If Denver doesn't compensate him I hope we stop paying people who have never played a down with this team big money to come here. I'm not suggesting Denver signs him to a blockbuster deal but the guy is underpaid for what he has done for Denver.

gregbroncs
05-07-2010, 08:03 AM
I think he should be paid. But I also think he is not worth what those other guys got. He deserves a raise and should get it, I just hope they don't overpay him. He's a good player but not great.

Wow rereading this I guess I'm kind of back and forth on Doom.

LTC Pain
05-07-2010, 08:19 AM
I think he should be paid. But I also think he is not worth what those other guys got. He deserves a raise and should get it, I just hope they don't overpay him. He's a good player but not great.

Wow rereading this I guess I'm kind of back and forth on Doom.

This is about how I feel about Doom. He deserves a significant raise but not "elite" money by any stretch. Keep in mind Doom is a converted DE so he is not a finished product when it comes to pass coverage and stopping the run. Like a couple of other have said, if the front office doesn't recognize Doom's performance with some kind of raise then the Broncos will get a bad label.

Mr D
05-07-2010, 08:20 AM
Elvis obviously deserves a raise - and he is obviously getting one when/if he signs this tender.

I know you guys hope that we don't overpay Doom but there is a business side of it and that's the nasty side. You know his agent is most likely demanding in the area of those other elite OLBs.

The only person that can do something about that is Doom.

claymore
05-07-2010, 08:27 AM
Elvis obviously deserves a raise - and he is obviously getting one when/if he signs this tender.

I know you guys hope that we don't overpay Doom but there is a business side of it and that's the nasty side. You know his agent is most likely demanding in the area of those other elite OLBs.

The only person that can do something about that is Doom.

Doom signed his tender like a month or 2 ago. Id be suprised to see him get paid this year.

But... I was suprised that they are giving Bailey his 12 million this year.

Mr D
05-07-2010, 08:30 AM
Doom signed his tender like a month or 2 ago. Id be suprised to see him get paid this year.

But... I was suprised that they are giving Bailey his 12 million this year.

Dumervil has not signed his tender yet.

Bailey's 12 million is just part of the contract he signed in the beginning... and he deserves it.

broncobryce
05-07-2010, 11:11 AM
I think getting to the QB is worth more to teams because it's so hard to find someone who is great at it. Elvis is great at it. Pay the man or someone will.

claymore
05-07-2010, 11:58 AM
Dumervil has not signed his tender yet.

Bailey's 12 million is just part of the contract he signed in the beginning... and he deserves it.

Oops. My fault. Sounds like he doesnt want to be here. Trade him. And noone on the Broncos deserves 12 million a year.

Lonestar
05-07-2010, 12:34 PM
from the owners point of View.

The rookie contracts are all that keeps the mega buck second contracts available, After all there is only so much money to go around.

Y'all have to remember that Doom will not become an UFA until after the 2011 season, Players must have 5 completed years of playing before they can become UFA.

Now the role of the dice is:

Will they sign a CBA that changes that?
Will he still refuse to sign with us after two years of a RFA?
Or better yet will there be a lockout in 11?


THE OWNERS hold all the cards as we speak they can keep their players as RFA through the fifth year While paying what MOST reasonable people would think is MORE that a Living wage.

A wage that given the average kid that is not a Football player if it were not for sport would most likely be working on an assembly line, flipping hamburgers or pushing drugs and being dead by age 25.

Most of these kids would have never had an opportunity if it were not for the NFL, there careers would have ended at HS level BEcause while College football is a great sport how many would be playing there IF there was nothing after NO NFL. The huge programs in the SEC, Big 10/12 Pac 10 would have no product to sell to the NFL.


Yes we have paid big bucks to bring in some Older UFA. IIRC none of them are on the 8-12 million a year scale. In fact I'd bet they would all have fit under the 12 million high side of the scale. That I'm guessing Dooms agent, if not Doom wants.

Doom is not yet a multi dimensional player and may never be. He is a great pass rush specialist.

I'm hoping that he can be signed to a good contract that plugs in incentives for passes defensed, tackles at or near the LOS, sacks, FF and hurries.

That should satisfy Both parties IF Dooms side can understand he has to be more than just a force on third and long.