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silkamilkamonico
04-30-2008, 01:50 AM
There's going to be some serious number issues when cutting down to the 53 man roster.

Right now Denver's overloaded at RB and WR, and the depth along the oline/dline is getting better, and much needed, especially along the dline where DEnver rotates.

IMHo Denver got a lot of good young players in the draft, and the URFA signings, but there just can't be room for all of them.

I think we could see some intriguing names getting cut by Denver in hopes of keeping some of those young players around. Denver's going to have to make a decision on the players from the draft, because I don't think they slide through waivers to our practice squad.

1)What happens at RB? If Torain makes the team, who becomes expendable? I don't think he slides through to waivers, and if he does, I could see a team picking him up during the year from our practice squad. Peyton Hillis- intriguing prospect, but if Shanahan keeps him, I think he keeps another FB for experience, which would make yet another RB expendable.

2)What happens at WR? It's a cluster--ck there. Shanahan has usually kept 6, and I think with Scheffler he might even keep 5. The last 2 WR positions have usually been filled with special teams players, which none of our top 7 to. Marshall, Jackson, Stokley, Parker, Colbert, Royal, etc....

3)Oline is getting much needed depth. I think the new dude Kory Lictenstieger spends the year on IR, because he is still strengthening his shoulder, and it gives him a year to learn, which Shananan usually likes to do with young linemen anyways unless there are exceptions.

4)Dline has gotten a little stronger, numberswise. Do we really need to keep 5 DE's? That takes away from other positions. I think the rookie Powell will be released and make it through to the practice squad.

5)I don't know what's going to happen at LB, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of numbers to worry about there.

6)I love the drafting/signing of Josh Barrett, Anthony Alridge, and Wesley Woodard, and I hate to think Denver has so many numbers that they can't give these guys an opportunity. All 3 of them could be specific role players, and very dynamic with their crazy athletic ability.

So do you think Denver has an opportunity to make room for a lot of these young guys with intriguing potential if they are good enough, and if so, who becomes expendable?

shank
04-30-2008, 02:24 AM
i think RB is the main place we will see cuts.

i see henry, torain, young, hillis, and sapp as keepers. though many like hall, he may be the odd man out unless torain doesn't play up to shanny's expectations.

the wrs you listed will probably be the 6 that make the team, if allridge is impressive in camp, he may be listed as wr and take parker's spot, as we all know what he is...

i see no way that powell isn't good enough to make our team at DT.

i hope a season under lynch instills barret with the right mindset to be successful because he has the physical tools to be a pro bowl safety. woodyard will fill a ST role, and with his speed may be a great weapon.

if you look through the roster, there are tons of guys that 99% of us have never even heard of that will free up a lot of spots.

there will probably be a couple of surprises, but i don't think there will be any major cuts.

Fan in Exile
04-30-2008, 07:55 AM
I think the WR isn't a cluster -------. There's no way that we are keeping all those guys certainly but they were all relatively cheap and we'll have good competition and keep the best. That's what you want from the off-season.

I wouldn't mind seeing us trade a RB if we can. Even a seventh next year would be better than just releasing one these guys. I think we've got some value there and should make use of it. Of course that would be ideal and may not be possible.

I'm thinking at defensive end we keep Elvis, Ekuban, Moss, Crowder, and Peterson because he has shown a lot of versatility. At DT we keep Thomas, Robertson, Powell, Mckinley.

Grover
04-30-2008, 08:50 AM
I'm also intrigued by the number of fine young players with skills, speed and character. The main broncos page has been updated with the complete team roster. If I counted correctly, there are 89 players listed.

http://http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=396

This year we only keep two Quarterbacks, so Darrell Hackney will be a casualty.
There are a number of players that have made occasional contributions that have potential. But they will be cut so the team can go younger. I'm thinking Nate Webster and Louis Green amongst the Linebackers. One of my favorites is Jordan Beck, but can we keep only a special teams player that won't be playing on defense? I didn't like what Shanny did to Chad Mustard last year with the cut and cut again routine. He will be gone permantenly as will Mike Bell. And although we offered Sammy Parker a big contract, I don't see him making the team.

shank
04-30-2008, 02:28 PM
IAnd although we offered Sammy Parker a big contract, I don't see him making the team.

yeah, league minimum is a pretty big contract!

;)

DenBronx
04-30-2008, 03:41 PM
yeah, league minimum is a pretty big contract!

;)

lol! i guess he didnt review parkers terms? and even if we cut him its only like 80k...parker does look like a gonner, especially since he was brought in as a return specialist. now we picked up 2, possibly 3 during the draft. bmarsh, jackson, stokely, colbert and royal will be the 5 wr's.

we keep ekuban.

webster might be gone.

i say hall, mustard, leach and possibly nate jackson could all get cut this year, at least out of the bigger names that is. i think weigman and lightsaber will battle for #2 center and if lightsaber beats him out i think weigman gets cut.

we might redshirt a kicker and call him in later in the year if prater is shanking his kicks.

Nature Boy
04-30-2008, 03:46 PM
I wouldn't worry til we get the rookies and newly signed FAs into camp 1st. Especially the rookies. I bet most the late rounders get cut.

xzn
04-30-2008, 04:03 PM
I wouldn't worry til we get the rookies and newly signed FAs into camp 1st. Especially the rookies. I bet most the late rounders get cut.

Typically you'd see that but I think we might have found a lot of gems this year. Much more so than previous years. Guys like Woodyard, Hillis, Barrett, Powell and Torain appear to have a lot of upside and we are in a rebuilding youth development mode, as you know.

Nature Boy
04-30-2008, 04:29 PM
I hope so. But it wouldn't be the 1st time draft picks with great potential have let me down in recent years. Darius Watts and Terry Pierce are just two 2nd rounders off the top of my head.

silkamilkamonico
04-30-2008, 06:11 PM
Typically you'd see that but I think we might have found a lot of gems this year. Much more so than previous years. Guys like Woodyard, Hillis, Barrett, Powell and Torain appear to have a lot of upside and we are in a rebuilding youth development mode, as you know.

If that's the case, you're going to see a lot of veterans, even possibly some key backup players, getting cut. We just don;t have the roster space for everybody.

broncohead
04-30-2008, 06:41 PM
I believe Torrain will make the roster. If Henry goes down say goodbye to our goal line running threat and the ability to control the clock.

pnbronco
04-30-2008, 09:14 PM
Does anyone know when the Broncos have their first Mini Camp? Thanks for any info...

gobroncsnv
04-30-2008, 10:26 PM
i say hall, mustard, leach and possibly nate jackson could all get cut this year, at least out of the bigger names that is.

I just don't see Leach getting cut. We know his name because he's been so good, ESPECIALLY as a long snapper. That's money, right there, plus the guy makes tackles on punts as well. I don't want to have to learn another long-snapper's name because he screwed up an extra-point or field goal try.

pnbronco
04-30-2008, 10:30 PM
i say hall, mustard, leach and possibly nate jackson could all get cut this year, at least out of the bigger names that is.

I just don't see Leach getting cut. We know his name because he's been so good, ESPECIALLY as a long snapper. That's money, right there, plus the guy makes tackles on punts as well. I don't want to have to learn another long-snapper's name because he screwed up an extra-point or field goal try.

Leach isn't going anywhere. The guy is too good of a long snapper and a good special teams player.

Lonestar
04-30-2008, 10:35 PM
i say hall, mustard, leach and possibly nate jackson could all get cut this year, at least out of the bigger names that is.

I just don't see Leach getting cut. We know his name because he's been so good, ESPECIALLY as a long snapper. That's money, right there, plus the guy makes tackles on punts as well. I don't want to have to learn another long-snapper's name because he screwed up an extra-point or field goal try.


Leach isn't going anywhere. The guy is too good of a long snapper and a good special teams player.

yet Licktensteiger also snaps and has a great nasty streak..

I realy like leach he is a great ST player, but I think if Licktensteiger makes the squad Leach is gonzo..

shank
04-30-2008, 10:40 PM
yet Licktensteiger also snaps and has a great nasty streak..

I realy like leach he is a great ST player, but I think if Licktensteiger makes the squad Leach is gonzo..

that would be a mistake imo. when was the last time we had a bad snap on a kick/punt?! i honestly don't remember.

and leach is ALWAYS the 1st or 2nd guy to reach the returner on punts. if it was up to me, leach's job just might be the most secure on the whole team.

Lonestar
04-30-2008, 10:52 PM
that would be a mistake imo. when was the last time we had a bad snap on a kick/punt?! i honestly don't remember.

and leach is ALWAYS the 1st or 2nd guy to reach the returner on punts. if it was up to me, leach's job just might be the most secure on the whole team.

But all he can do is snap and go deep.. HEY I really like the guy and think Licthensteiger would have to be able to do it as good. But I think he becomes expendable this year if so..

If we had any real need for him at TE then perhaps we could jusitfy it we have way to many up and comers to allow to get to other teams.. This years last couple of cut downs will play somewhere this year..

Ziggy
05-01-2008, 08:48 AM
Lichtenstein wasn't a long snapper in college. The longsnappers for Bowling Green last year were Kyle Cutler and Craig Rutherford. Leech isn't going anywhere until he Wants to go somewhere.

Lonestar
05-01-2008, 01:55 PM
Lichtenstein wasn't a long snapper in college. The longsnappers for Bowling Green last year were Kyle Cutler and Craig Rutherford. Leech isn't going anywhere until he Wants to go somewhere.

I had heard they played most of their offense in shotgun and it was going to be new for him direct snapping it to the QB..

I assumed he also long snapped.. I beg everyones pardon..

Looks like leach is on the team again..

underrated29
05-05-2008, 04:52 PM
LEACH ISNt going anywhere! I also doubt that nate jackson is either. NATE Started well in place of injured tony and was tearing it up until he got hurt. Nate can get that separation!

I know most dont like him.
TE i see scheff,grahm,nate,leach thats it- if we keep 1 more its the mustard.

I also agree we go with only 2 qbs this year, and hopefully, JUST MAYBE we can have 2 spots for kicking, 1 punter and 1 kicker. That would make me so happy

Davii
05-05-2008, 05:14 PM
Mustard is definitely gone. That guy gets cut more than cheese at a chili cook off.

Lonestar
05-05-2008, 05:25 PM
Mustard is definitely gone. That guy gets cut more than cheese at a chili cook off.


hmmmmm couldn't cut the mustard huh?

Davii
05-05-2008, 05:26 PM
hmmmmm couldn't cut the mustard huh?

Maybe he couldn't, but it's quite obvious Shanny has no problems cutting the mustard or the Mustard.

Lonestar
05-05-2008, 05:29 PM
Maybe he couldn't, but it's quite obvious Shanny has no problems cutting the mustard or the Mustard.

I think he has done it 5-6 times now..

Poindexter
05-05-2008, 05:42 PM
Here is the list of our current roster. It contains 89 players.

I have highlighted the nine players that IMO are most likely to get cut to bring us to an 80 man roster. Then it will be a simple matter of time to see who else gets slashed to get us to 53.


Current Roster

21 Abdullah, Hamza S
69 Alexander, P.J. G
Alridge, Anthony RB
Archer, Brandon LB
Bailey, Boss LB
24 Bailey, Champ CB
Barrett, Josh S
9 Baugher, Danny P
57 Beck, Jordan LB
30 Bell, Mike RB
77 Birdine, Larry DE
32 Bly, Dre' CB
90 Carrington, Paul
Clady, Ryan T
78 Clemons, Nic DE
13 Colbert, Keary WR
96 Crowder, Tim DE
6 Cutler, Jay QB
92 Dumervil, Elvis
91 Ekuban, Ebenezer
60 Engelberger, John DE
Erickson, Mitch G
8 Finnerty, Cullen QB
22 Foxworth, Domonique CB
89 Graham, Daniel TE
53 Green, Louis LB
4 Hackney, Darrell QB
23 Hall, Andre RB
50 Hamilton, Ben G/C
74 Harris, Ryan T
68 Harris, Steven DT
Hartley, Garrett K
20 Henry, Travis RB
Hillis, Peyton FB
70 Holland, Montrae G
82 Jackson, Darrell WR
81 Jackson, Nate TE
19 Jacobs, Taylor WR
75 Jenkins, Julian DE
Kern, Brett P
Koutouvides, Niko LB
73 Kuper, Chris G
Larsen, Spencer LB
83 Leach, Mike TE/LS
Lichtensteiger, Kory C
47 Lynch, John S
98 Mallard, Josh DT
33 Manuel, Marquand S
15 Marshall, Brandon WR
17 Martinez, Glenn WR
28 McCree, Marlon S
16 McDaniel, Marquay WR
99 McKinley, Alvin DT
25 Morton, Christian CB
94 Moss, Jarvis DE
85 Mustard, Chad TE
66 Nalen, Tom C
12 Parker, Samie WR
2 Paulescu, Sam P
41 Paymah, Karl CB
64 Pears, Erik T
97 Peterson, Kenny
84 Pierce, Brett TE
Polumbus, Tyler T
Powell, Carlton DT
5 Prater, Matt K
11 Ramsey, Patrick QB
40 Reid, Lamont CB
63 Robertson, Dewayne DT
43 Rogers, Roderick S
Royal, Eddie WR
Russell, Clifford WR
Sam, Lorne WR
37 Sapp, Cecil RB
88 Scheffler, Tony TE
Shepherd, Edell WR
72 Snell, Isaac G
14 Stokley, Brandon WR
79 Thomas, Marcus DT
Torain, Ryan RB
31 Underwood, Marviel S
34 Vaughn, Vickiel S
58 Webster, Nate LB
62 Wiegmann, Casey C
55 Williams, D.J. LB
Williams, Jack CB
51 Winborn, Jamie LB
Woodyard, Wesley LB
35 Young, Selvin RB

underrated29
05-05-2008, 05:48 PM
HOW Old is this list, i though we cut pj a long time ago. After his atv injury and all. I dont have the time to go through all the players you highlighted but i think beck might just stick around. Who knows.


When i get more time i will go through and try to make my prelims.

Poindexter
05-06-2008, 02:24 AM
HOW Old is this list, i though we cut pj a long time ago. After his atv injury and all. I dont have the time to go through all the players you highlighted but i think beck might just stick around. Who knows.


When i get more time i will go through and try to make my prelims.

That is the most current roster I could find. It listed all of our UDFA signings to date as well as cut players, so I am assuming it is brand new.

I don't know how accurate it is however. If anyone has any updated info to the list feel free to add it. I just wanted to post a list, so that everyone knew exactly what we are looking at roster wise. I don't think you can ever have too much information.

Poindexter
05-06-2008, 02:59 AM
Here is my estimation of what our 53 man roster will look like.

I could be way off, but I did my best to look objectively at it.

We wont know for sure until it actually happens.

21 Abdullah, Hamza S
Alridge, Anthony RB
Bailey, Boss LB
24 Bailey, Champ CB
Barrett, Josh S
9 Baugher, Danny P
32 Bly, Dre' CB
Clady, Ryan T
13 Colbert, Keary WR
96 Crowder, Tim DE
6 Cutler, Jay QB
92 Dumervil, Elvis
91 Ekuban, Ebenezer
60 Engelberger, John DE
22 Foxworth, Domonique CB
89 Graham, Daniel TE
50 Hamilton, Ben G/C
74 Harris, Ryan T
Hartley, Garrett K
20 Henry, Travis RB
Hillis, Peyton FB
70 Holland, Montrae G
82 Jackson, Darrell WR
81 Jackson, Nate TE
Koutouvides, Niko LB
73 Kuper, Chris G
Larsen, Spencer LB
Lichtensteiger, Kory C
47 Lynch, John S
98 Mallard, Josh DT
33 Manuel, Marquand S
15 Marshall, Brandon WR
28 McCree, Marlon S
99 McKinley, Alvin DT
94 Moss, Jarvis DE
66 Nalen, Tom C
12 Parker, Samie WR
2 Paulescu, Sam P
41 Paymah, Karl CB
64 Pears, Erik T
Powell, Carlton DT
11 Ramsey, Patrick QB
63 Robertson, Dewayne DT
Royal, Eddie WR
88 Scheffler, Tony TE
14 Stokley, Brandon WR
79 Thomas, Marcus DT
Torain, Ryan RB
62 Wiegmann, Casey C
55 Williams, D.J. LB
Williams, Jack CB
Woodyard, Wesley LB
35 Young, Selvin RB

Ziggy
05-06-2008, 09:16 AM
I'd be surprised if Kenny Peterson doesn't make the roster. He's good young versatile lineman that can play DT or DE. If they wanted him gone, it would have been during or after his suspension at the beginning of last season.