Sorry Eddie but your next on the chopping block

[DenBronx]

Love ya man but we got a ******** for a head coach.


No source needed folks. Just a random asinine pattern of dumping play makers.

[Elevation inc]

guess its a good thing he didnt make to many plays last year


that should save him...:lol:

[Davii]

I don;t think his lack of production will save him. I think what will is he happens to have a great attitude, is a damn good player, is a hard worker, and fits the mold of team first players that JMcD is trying to build.

[DenBronx]

I don;t think his lack of production will save him. I think what will is he happens to have a great attitude, is a damn good player, is a hard worker, and fits the mold of team first players that JMcD is trying to build.


:listen: Cutler & Marshall fit the mold too. And they were known to be extremely hard workers not just on game day but also in the gym.


I hoping for fair value for Royal at this point. We could swing a late 3rd or 4th. :coffee:

[BroncoWave]

Love ya man but we got a ****head for a head coach.


No source needed folks. Just a random asinine pattern of dumping play makers.

Because one more bash McDaniels thread is exactly what this board needed! :rolleyes:

[Shazam!]

I don;t think his lack of production will save him. I think what will is he happens to have a great attitude, is a damn good player, is a hard worker, and fits the mold of team first players that JMcD is trying to build.


Cutler & Marshall fit the mold too.

Yeah ok, Cut and Marsh were team first players with great attitudes...

You cant POSSIBLY believe that.

Jesus ******* Christ, Broncos Talk is becoming like a trip to the dentist.

[Northman]

Love ya man but we got a ******** for a head coach.


No source needed folks. Just a random asinine pattern of dumping play makers.

Cant really say its random as i pretty much knew it would end this way for Marshall. :confused:

[Davii]

Just a friendly reminder, circumventing the language filter is a violation of board rules.

You can't type ****xxxx to ensure everyone knew exactly what word you meant in that space. Type the words and let the filter do it's job.

Thanks.

[Davii]

:listen: Cutler & Marshall fit the mold too. And they were known to be extremely hard workers not just on game day but also in the gym.


I hoping for fair value for Royal at this point. We could swing a late 3rd or 4th. :coffee:

They may have been hard workers, but I don't think either was a "team first" player, and CERTAINLY not Marshall. Team first players don't consistently place their team in a bad position by getting in trouble off the field, milk injuries, act like complete jerks at practice, etc. etc. etc.

[Timmy!]

/forum

[guitarj]

Love ya man but we got a ******** for a head coach.


No source needed folks. Just a random asinine pattern of dumping play makers.

Yes, dump him! He is such a whiney emo tool that gets into too much trouble.....should have cut him after his little fit at training camp......oh wait?!!

[DenBronx]

They may have been hard workers, but I don't think either was a "team first" player, and CERTAINLY not Marshall. Team first players don't consistently place their team in a bad position by getting in trouble off the field, milk injuries, act like complete jerks at practice, etc. etc. etc.

did he not put the team first when he had a record setting 21 catches? i do recall marshall putting the team first on game day. it's the TEAM that did not return the favor and pay him what he was due. cheap ********!

josh hasnt put the team first since he's came here. all he's done is run everyone out of town. you think marshall acted like a jerk in practice? fair enough but mcdaniels should have never accused him of faking an injury...that's pathetic. great personel skills for a head coach.


yep...it must be ALL the other players and not the coach.


royals next. just wait.

[Northman]

did he not put the team first when he had a record setting 21 catches? i do recall marshall putting the team first on game day. it's the TEAM that did not return the favor and pay him what he was due. cheap ********!

josh hasnt put the team first since he's came here. all he's done is run everyone out of town. you think marshall acted like a jerk in practice? fair enough but mcdaniels should have never accused him of faking an injury...that's pathetic. great personel skills for a head coach.


yep...it must be ALL the other players and not the coach.


royals next. just wait.


All the players? I could of swore it was a 53 man roster and only 4-5 have been shown the door mostly by their own doing. :lol:

[Bosco]

Let's see. Has Eddie Royal got all butt hurt over a potential trade that McD turned down anyways? Taken to the airwaves in all out media war against the team? Publicly called the coach a liar? Refused to have a 1 on 1 meeting with the coach to sort out the problem? Refused to take Bowlen's phone calls? Blatantly lie to the national media? Degrade Bronco fans?

No? Well he shares nothing in common with Jay Cutler then.

Has he had a history of problems with the law going all the way back to college? Did such history drop his drop status? Has the team openly questioned his tendency to exaggerate injuries on two separate occasions? Has he been suspended by the league for his misconduct? Have a group of veterans approached McDaniels about him, leading to being benched by the team? Has he ever needed to be physically restrained from committing a penalty during a 4th quarter comeback on the road?

No? Well he shares nothing in common with Brandon Marshall then.

[shank]

i hate everything about this thread. shut up.

/alcohol

[LordTrychon]

guess its a good thing he didnt make to many plays last year


that should save him...:lol:

Nono...

He'll be released for being a little too talented for the team first concept... too likely to stick out. Too likely to earn money soon.

Then, we'll be looking at the FA lists... and we'll see a wonderful player with the right attitude... who was underused and underappreciated. We'll pick him up and pay him like his last team shoulda.

[dogfish]

Love ya man but we got a ******** for a head coach.


No source needed folks. Just a random asinine pattern of dumping play makers.

:drinking: ?






Jesus ******* Christ, Broncos Talk is becoming like a trip to the dentist.

what, they gave you nitrous?

davii! where the **** is mine??

[Bosco]

what, they gave you nitrous?

davii! where the **** is mine??

I have nitrous. :noidea:

http://www.tobefast.com/images/P/NitrousExpress_15lb_Bottle.jpg

[jlarsiii]

I don;t think his lack of production will save him. I think what will is he happens to have a great attitude, is a damn good player, is a hard worker, and fits the mold of team first players that JMcD is trying to build.

Dume has been the same thing for McD in this system. So that will probably set the benchmark for other team players who buy into the system and do what they are asked to.

Should be interesting to see how the Dume situation works out. It will set the precedent for all other players, like Royal, who are also trying to do the same thing.

[broncofaninfla]

It kills me that people keep throwing around the team first concept as if it's something new to Denver or football for that matter. Our last game last year was played with two of our most talented players on the bench. The end result was we got our asses handed to us by a bottom dweller. I don't give a rats ass how good a system is, without talent it will fail in the NFL.

[Nomad]

It kills me that people keep throwing around the team first concept as if it's something new to Denver or football for that matter. Our last game last year was played with two of our most talented players on the bench. The end result was we got our asses handed to us by a bottom dweller. I don't give a rats ass how good a system is, without talent it will fail in the NFL.

Well I could agree if those two players played on defense! Charles was a one man show and Denver as a team didn't look interested in playing in that game! If it would have been a close game and the offense had that one element missing again I could agree but no where close to what you described.

One thing you are right about without talent you don't win!!

[Buff]

Mods, please close this POS thread.

[T.K.O.]

eddie royal will have his best year yet (and yes ,as a bronco)
both the coach and qb have said they plan to make eddie a "much" bigger part of the offense this season.
and the trade of marshall pretty much ensured it to be true !
go eddie .....go broncos !

[Lonestar]

It kills me that people keep throwing around the team first concept as if it's something new to Denver or football for that matter. Our last game last year was played with two of our most talented players on the bench. The end result was we got our asses handed to us by a bottom dweller. I don't give a rats ass how good a system is, without talent it will fail in the NFL.


In both games our Defense failed to show up was not the offenses fault in this one are at all.

Talent has a lot to do with it but they also have to want to be on the field for more than personal gain.

[DenBronx]

:tsk:

how many free passes is josh going to get? it will be this time next year and he will still be dangling talent on our team around the nfl like it's going out of style. somehow even if he was fired alot of you would still make excuses for him. dudes a cancer to the team.

[Thnikkaman]

:tsk:

how many free passes is josh going to get? it will be this time next year and he will still be dangling talent on our team around the nfl like it's going out of style. somehow even if he was fired alot of you would still make excuses for him. dudes a cancer to the team.

And he could rebuild a team and make it a superbowl contender and a lot of people still wouldn't like him. I hear Shanahan is coaching again, and Marshal is playing in Miami, or maybe you like Deep Dish pizza.

[T.K.O.]

i don't remember all this whining when we were 6-0 ?
it's gonna be sweeeeeeet when we go 10-6 and make the playoffs next year.
bronco warrior is gonna have to re-open the "crow cafe":laugh:

under a different name that is.........;)

[Buff]

:tsk:

how many free passes is josh going to get? it will be this time next year and he will still be dangling talent on our team around the nfl like it's going out of style. somehow even if he was fired alot of you would still make excuses for him. dudes a cancer to the team.

1 year dude. One effing year.

[DenBronx]

1 year dude. One effing year.

Buff with all of these crazy moves I think we have no choice but to give him 1 more year. However, we must do better than 8-8. I think if we don't have a winning record then we have to really consider letting him go.

[broncofaninfla]

In both games our Defense failed to show up was not the offenses fault in this one are at all.

Talent has a lot to do with it but they also have to want to be on the field for more than personal gain.

Our offenses inability to generate yards, points and first downs put too much pressure on our defense and kept them on the field too much. They wore down as the season progressed and it showed against KC. Too many three and out's with the offense last season, of course the defense is going to wear down if they are on the field that much.

[Broncolingus]

I don't think he's going to be traded...

...and he isn't the first player to have the Sophmore Slump.

Let's see how things (health dependent of course) go this year...

[Denver Native (Carol)]

I don't think he's going to be traded...

...and he isn't the first player to have the Sophmore Slump.

Let's see how things (health dependent of course) go this year...

Oh come on - you need to keep your opinions within the key thoughts "doom and gloom"

[Broncolingus]

Oh come on - you need to keep your opinions within the key thoughts "doom and gloom"

:D

You are just a cool chick...

...you know that?

...and melikes the sarcasm...

[The Glue Factory]

How long are people going to expect an instant turn around? Good grief Charlie Brown!!! For every Miami that goes worst to first there are dozens of teams that rebuild that take at least two or three years to see ANY change.

Yes I understand we are committed as a team to winning and winning in the post season but look at teams like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland. Constantly rebuilding and STILL worse than the Broncos during our rebuilding.

I guess patience just isn't tolerated anymore. :tsk:

[Denver Native (Carol)]

How long are people going to expect an instant turn around? Good grief Charlie Brown!!! For every Miami that goes worst to first there are dozens of teams that rebuild that take at least two or three years to see ANY change.

Yes I understand we are committed as a team to winning and winning in the post season but look at teams like Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland. Constantly rebuilding and STILL worse than the Broncos during our rebuilding.

I guess patience just isn't tolerated anymore. :tsk:

You might also want to throw in that common sense isn't tolerated anymore either

[Lonestar]

Buff with all of these crazy moves I think we have no choice but to give him 1 more year. However, we must do better than 8-8. I think if we don't have a winning record then we have to really consider letting him go.


We? as in Pat and you:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Lonestar]

Our offenses inability to generate yards, points and first downs put too much pressure on our defense and kept them on the field too much. They wore down as the season progressed and it showed against KC. Too many three and out's with the offense last season, of course the defense is going to wear down if they are on the field that much.

Perhaps your correct but just maybe it only took those 7 games for the OC to figure out how to beat up the DL last year.

Just maybe it was semi smoke and mirrors all year. and frankly the improvement we saw, well it was really bad the year before.

As far as 3 and outs maybe if we had an OLINE that could do simple things like not collapse into the pocket or heaven forbid be able to block for the running backs make a crack that one could get thru maybe there would have been less 3 and outs.

Just maybe had the QB had time to see more than one receiver, that may have helped a bit also.

[WARHORSE]

Im growing concerned here.


What kind of life are the JMcD bashers going to have when we start winning?


What will they do with themselves when they cant post pointless threads all day, every day?


Whatever you choose to do with yer time fellas, dont eat Cheetoes and watch porn films all day.


It leads to a case of Flourescent Orange Penis Envy.


(at least thats what Claymore told me.......)

J/K:D

[silkamilkamonico]

What kind of life are the JMcD bashers going to have when we start winning?


It's quite obvious they don't care about winning, when they are bashing the organization for trading away 2-4 pivotol dynamic players that have accounted for 0 winning seasons (let alone playoff appearances), and struggled to score TD's.

[weazel]

why would he be traded? He hasn't shit on the team, there is no reason for it. Sure his production was piss poor last season, so maybe he should be traded, but I dont think he will be...

[Ravage!!!]

It's quite obvious they don't care about winning, when they are bashing the organization for trading away 2-4 pivotol dynamic players that have accounted for 0 winning seasons (let alone playoff appearances), and struggled to score TD's.

Might as well get rid of clady.... moreno didn't help win.. get rid of him. I mean, it makes just as much sense to say that if they didn't win in the 2-3 years being starters, they must be losers. CLady has had two seasons already, and STILL hasn't gotten us over the .500 mark. Dump him. Loser.

[silkamilkamonico]

Might as well get rid of clady.... moreno didn't help win.. get rid of him. I mean, it makes just as much sense to say that if they didn't win in the 2-3 years being starters, they must be losers. CLady has had two seasons already, and STILL hasn't gotten us over the .500 mark. Dump him. Loser.

Clady and Moreno are still under contract. If we're not winning when they get to the last year of their contract we need to seriously think about getting what we can for them. We don't want a bunch of losers who don't know how to win on our team.

[honz]

Love ya man but we got a ******** for a head coach.


No source needed folks. Just a random asinine pattern of dumping play makers.
Mmmmkay.

[LoyalSoldier]

Yeah ok, Cut and Marsh were team first players with great attitudes...

You cant POSSIBLY believe that.

Jesus ******* Christ, Broncos Talk is becoming like a trip to the dentist.

We can have all the "team first" players we want, but unless they are good we aren't going anywhere. If you want to get rid of the "me me me" players that's fine, but when you replace them 2nd tier talent then it becomes a problem

You know why most of the players want to be here? Because no where else will take them.

[Shazam!]

Originally Posted by Shazam!
Yeah ok, Cut and Marsh were team first players with great attitudes...

You cant POSSIBLY believe that.

Jesus ******* Christ, Broncos Talk is becoming like a trip to the dentist


We can have all the "team first" players we want, but unless they are good we aren't going anywhere. If you want to get rid of the "me me me" players that's fine, but when you replace them 2nd tier talent then it becomes a problem

You know why most of the players want to be here? Because no where else will take them.

I agree with that but it's so much more than that. It's also about putting players into a position where their skills can be best utilized and not trying to bend them into something theyre not like pounding a round peg into a square hole. This was something Shanahan was notorious for. Doom is the perfect example, he's not a straight up DE and shouldve been converted to LB immediately.

You dont think Brain Dawkins is a commodity? Champ? Clady? DJ? C'mon. Denver has some talented horses that if they were on the market theyd be scooped up in a second by a slew of teams that arent the Raiders.

Again though, this isnt even what I was talking about or what you were alluding to either with my comment.

The original post insinuates that Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler were unselfish team first players with great attitudes and that is the farthest thing from the truth.

[TXBRONC]

I agree with that but it's so much more than that. It's also about putting players into a position where their skills can be best utilized and not trying to bend them into something theyre not like pounding a round peg into a square hole. This was something Shanahan was notorious for. Doom is the perfect example, he's not a straight up DE and shouldve been converted to LB immediately.

You dont think Brain Dawkins is a commodity? Champ? Clady? DJ? C'mon. Denver has some talented horses that if they were on the market theyd be scooped up in a second by a slew of teams that arent the Raiders.

Again though, this isnt even what I was talking about or what you were alluding to either with my comment.

The original post insinuates that Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler were unselfish team first players with great attitudes and that is the farthest thing from the truth.

I don't know where come up with idea like that about Shanahan because that not accurate. He always tried to players in a position to succeed. Moving Dumervil to linebacker in 4-3 defense would be the very definition of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. His role as linebacker now is hell of a lot different than it would be as linebacker in 4-3 defense. That's a plain and simple fact.

[DenBronx]

The original post insinuates that Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler were unselfish team first players with great attitudes and that is the farthest thing from the truth.


HA!

The problem is the team wasn't loyal to the young talent we had on this team. All Cutler wanted after Josh tried to trade him was a verbal commitment that he wouldn't be traded. Joshy boy couldn't do that so the DISLOYALTY FIRST STARTED WITH THE COACH! All he had to do was say WE WON'T TRADE YOU! Simple....I still don't get why some of you don't get this. So what if Cutler acted like a baby...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

All Marshall wanted was A NEW CONTRACT. One that could have been paid last year for much less money. We would have wrapped him up for 5+ years on mostly incentives. Marshall was then given another year and he proved himself BIGTIME! In fact he was mostly our only bright spot on offense. Even when the playoffs were on the line he was benched for showing up 20 mins to therapy. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME FOR BEING LATE TO THERAPY!!! FREAKIN THERAPY MAN!!! So what if Marshall asked for a trade...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!!!!

Nolan wanted to do things his way. He and McNazi butted heads and therefore the team said he could search for a team that wanted his services elsewhere. The TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

Shall I continue? Hillis? Sheffler?


Don't expect these guys to not say anything and just roll over after getting the shaft. I don't blame any of them they were ALL very hard working, dedicated Broncos and showed up to play football.

[Timmy!]

So DenBronx, how do you feel about McDaniels?

[BroncoWave]

JFC DenBronx, would you like some Tampons?

[The Glue Factory]

HA!

The problem is the team wasn't loyal to the young talent we had on this team. All Cutler wanted after Josh tried to trade him was a verbal commitment that he wouldn't be traded.

Uh yeah. McDaniels would then be a liar. Cutler wanted what even Elway wouldn't be given. Cutler got all hurt about the reality of football and couldn't get over himself. Tough beans pal, enjoy your stay in Chi-town.

As for Marshall? I've seen Bowlen make the payday for the proven players (TD, Elway, Smith, Sharpe, shall we find more?) that have put the team first. Problem was that Marshall couldn't, COULDN'T put the team first. Tough beans pal, enjoy working for the Big Tuna.

Hillis? Please. He had a couple of good games and is untested to determine how good he really is. Given his chances this year, he cost the team more than he contributed. He might be a fantastic player. He could be just a serviceable back on the depth chart. At this time it's unknown.

All the defensive starters released last year? How many of them are still in the NFL this year let alone starting on another team? One, two?

Personally, I find all the haters are people who think the real world works like Madden. Funny how the real world and cyber space don't really mesh all that well. :smack: Give McDaniels some time, changing the Broncos to a power running team isn't going to happen overnight. Fixing the defense (even with Shanahan) was never going to happen in a single year. Wake up, drink some coffee and for crying out loud stop the :Cry: :rant:

[weazel]

I agree with that but it's so much more than that. It's also about putting players into a position where their skills can be best utilized and not trying to bend them into something theyre not like pounding a round peg into a square hole. This was something Shanahan was notorious for. Doom is the perfect example, he's not a straight up DE and shouldve been converted to LB immediately.

You dont think Brain Dawkins is a commodity? Champ? Clady? DJ? C'mon. Denver has some talented horses that if they were on the market theyd be scooped up in a second by a slew of teams that arent the Raiders.

Again though, this isnt even what I was talking about or what you were alluding to either with my comment.

The original post insinuates that Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler were unselfish team first players with great attitudes and that is the farthest thing from the truth.

This is your brain...

[weazel]

HA!

The problem is the team wasn't loyal to the young talent we had on this team. All Cutler wanted after Josh tried to trade him was a verbal commitment that he wouldn't be traded. Joshy boy couldn't do that so the DISLOYALTY FIRST STARTED WITH THE COACH! All he had to do was say WE WON'T TRADE YOU! Simple....I still don't get why some of you don't get this. So what if Cutler acted like a baby...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

All Marshall wanted was A NEW CONTRACT. One that could have been paid last year for much less money. We would have wrapped him up for 5+ years on mostly incentives. Marshall was then given another year and he proved himself BIGTIME! In fact he was mostly our only bright spot on offense. Even when the playoffs were on the line he was benched for showing up 20 mins to therapy. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME FOR BEING LATE TO THERAPY!!! FREAKIN THERAPY MAN!!! So what if Marshall asked for a trade...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!!!!

Nolan wanted to do things his way. He and McNazi butted heads and therefore the team said he could search for a team that wanted his services elsewhere. The TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

Shall I continue? Hillis? Sheffler?


Don't expect these guys to not say anything and just roll over after getting the shaft. I don't blame any of them they were ALL very hard working, dedicated Broncos and showed up to play football.

This is your brain on drugs.

[silkamilkamonico]

Hillis? Please. He had a couple of good games and is untested to determine how good he really is. Given his chances this year, he cost the team more than he contributed. He might be a fantastic player. He could be just a serviceable back on the depth chart. At this time it's unknown.

It's hilarious isn't it?

I can understand people being butthurt about losing Cutler and Marshall, but Peyton Hillis? "Please". We're talking about a 7th round FB here, who proved he can play a solid role as a RB, in a league where RB's are a dime dozen. LMAO He isn't even a great RB in the league. LMAO He isn't even a Pro Bowl FB.

[Ziggy]

This is your brain...


This is your brain on drugs.

Now that's some funny stuff Weazel. :lol::lol::lol:

[DenBronx]

JFC DenBronx, would you like some Tampons?


This is your brain on drugs.


A couple of JM nuthuggers eh? You guys should all get together so you can circle jerk each other.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/DenBronx/untitled-19.jpg

Mr. Chow: See you later, gay boys!

[T.K.O.]

HA!

The problem is the team wasn't loyal to the young talent we had on this team. All Cutler wanted after Josh tried to trade him was a verbal commitment that he wouldn't be traded. Joshy boy couldn't do that so the DISLOYALTY FIRST STARTED WITH THE COACH! All he had to do was say WE WON'T TRADE YOU! Simple....I still don't get why some of you don't get this. So what if Cutler acted like a baby...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

All Marshall wanted was A NEW CONTRACT. One that could have been paid last year for much less money. We would have wrapped him up for 5+ years on mostly incentives. Marshall was then given another year and he proved himself BIGTIME! In fact he was mostly our only bright spot on offense. Even when the playoffs were on the line he was benched for showing up 20 mins to therapy. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME FOR BEING LATE TO THERAPY!!! FREAKIN THERAPY MAN!!! So what if Marshall asked for a trade...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!!!!

Nolan wanted to do things his way. He and McNazi butted heads and therefore the team said he could search for a team that wanted his services elsewhere. The TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

Shall I continue? Hillis? Sheffler?


Don't expect these guys to not say anything and just roll over after getting the shaft. I don't blame any of them they were ALL very hard working, dedicated Broncos and showed up to play football.

do you even bother to read what the players and coaches involved say ?
or do you just make your "ass"umptions off blogs and mb"s?
really the people who are "actually involved" dont exibit 1/2 the hate and disscontent that your post does....maybe you need to sit out the next couple plays:laugh:

[Bosco]

I don't know where come up with idea like that about Shanahan because that not accurate. He always tried to players in a position to succeed. Moving Dumervil to linebacker in 4-3 defense would be the very definition of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. His role as linebacker now is hell of a lot different than it would be as linebacker in 4-3 defense. That's a plain and simple fact.

I disagree. How many over grown tailbacks did we try to shoehorn in as fullbacks? Cecil Sapp and Mike Anderson ended up there, and none of them were very successful at it. What about Ashley Lelie? How about Terry Pierce? Or D.J Williams? Both of those guys were shuffled around according to whatever mood struck the respective DC at the time.

Believe me, Shanahan had more than a few instances of trying to put square pegs through round holes during his career.


HA!

The problem is the team wasn't loyal to the young talent we had on this team. You have a ****** up idea of loyalty.


All Cutler wanted after Josh tried to trade him was a verbal commitment that he wouldn't be traded. Not quite. Pat and Josh made it very clear that Jay was "their guy" for 2009 and that they had never deviated from that plan. Cutler wanted to be promised that they would never consider trading him. He wanted to be made bigger than the team. He wanted the team to say "We don't care if your play drops off horribly or if we get offered a Herschel Walker esque trade for you, we're going to keep you." That goes against the mentality that Josh was bringing to Denver so he smartly refused to make that promise and Jay was unhappy.

Besides, don't you see the blatant hypocrisy in wanting a team to promise not to trade you, and then demanding a trade when they won't make that promise?

Hell, that even ignores the fact that Jay requested a trade when Jeremy Bates wasn't brought back.


All he had to do was say WE WON'T TRADE YOU! Simple....I still don't get why some of you don't get this. So what if Cutler acted like a baby...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM! No we get it, we just don't get how you feel like Jay had the right to demand such a promise and be placed above the team.


All Marshall wanted was A NEW CONTRACT. One that could have been paid last year for much less money. We would have wrapped him up for 5+ years on mostly incentives. That's exactly what we did. He was offered a contract with an AAV of $9.5 million (good for 2nd in the league behind Fitzgerald) and he turned it down.


So what if Marshall asked for a trade...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!!!! They were loyal to him. They kept in 2009 despite his wishes to leave and even offered him the contract you were crying for them to offer him and he turned it down. The team felt that with his past that he had reached a level where the risk wasn't worth a reward so they traded him while they still held his rights.


Nolan wanted to do things his way. He and McNazi butted heads and therefore the team said he could search for a team that wanted his services elsewhere. The TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM! More revisionist history.

Josh McDaniels told Nolan when he was hired that he wanted the read and react defense scrapped in favor of a more aggressive, blitzing scheme like the Patriots. Nolan and McDaniels used that to create a defense that looked as good as any in the league during the first six weeks. After that we saw the defense start reverting back to a read and react style and they started getting blown up again. To be fair, some of that was circumstance but it's also been the book on Nolan going back through pretty much his whole career.

Also, the team never told Nolan he could search for another team. The Dolphins contacted us about interviewing him and McD talked to Nolan and asked him if he would rather stay or take the Dolphins job and Nolan decided to leave.

Oh, and basically everyone and their mother knew that there was tampering going on, hence Nolan being given the option of leaving and having a new job within 24 hours. Nolan was definitely talking to the Dolphins about taking the position without the Broncos consent, so who was being disloyal to who here?


Shall I continue? Hillis? Sheffler? Oh please continue. I'd love to discredit the ways you think McD betrayed those guys.

[Gimpygod]

Let's see. Has Eddie Royal got all butt hurt over a potential trade that McD turned down anyways? Taken to the airwaves in all out media war against the team? Publicly called the coach a liar? Refused to have a 1 on 1 meeting with the coach to sort out the problem? Refused to take Bowlen's phone calls? Blatantly lie to the national media? Degrade Bronco fans?

No? Well he shares nothing in common with Jay Cutler then.

Has he had a history of problems with the law going all the way back to college? Did such history drop his drop status? Has the team openly questioned his tendency to exaggerate injuries on two separate occasions? Has he been suspended by the league for his misconduct? Have a group of veterans approached McDaniels about him, leading to being benched by the team? Has he ever needed to be physically restrained from committing a penalty during a 4th quarter comeback on the road?

No? Well he shares nothing in common with Brandon Marshall then.

did Hillis? Skill and dedication dont matter with this headcoach, all that matters is how far you can stick your head up mcdaniels keister. See Gaffney is 1st string wide reciever as proof.

[Gimpygod]

:tsk:

how many free passes is josh going to get? it will be this time next year and he will still be dangling talent on our team around the nfl like it's going out of style. somehow even if he was fired alot of you would still make excuses for him. dudes a cancer to the team.

Right!! Many here talk about getting rid of cancer when we have a tumor weilding the scalpel!

[Northman]

Trolling trolling trolling, keep those trolls a trolling.

[weazel]

A couple of JM nuthuggers eh? You guys should all get together so you can circle jerk each other.

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Mr. Chow: See you later, gay boys!

yes, sir!

[Bosco]

did Hillis? Skill and dedication dont matter with this headcoach, all that matters is how far you can stick your head up mcdaniels keister. Hillis was a totally different situation. There were no off the field/attitude issues like with Cutler and Marshall, just his very poor play in 2009. Despite that poor play, Josh stuck with him and only traded him when he had a chance to acquire the QB he originally wanted when Cutler was traded.


See Gaffney is 1st string wide reciever as proof. Royal and Marshall were the starting receivers.

[Gimpygod]

Hillis was a totally different situation. There were no off the field/attitude issues like with Cutler and Marshall, just his very poor play in 2009. Despite that poor play, Josh stuck with him and only traded him when he had a chance to acquire the QB he originally wanted when Cutler was traded.

Royal and Marshall were the starting receivers.

not now...and hard working good, smart guys, who can play diff pos (hillis and schef ) see ya!

[Bosco]

not now...and hard working good, smart guys, who can play diff pos (hillis and schef ) see ya!

You're really not claiming that Hillis is smart, are you?

[sneakers]

:listen: Cutler & Marshall fit the mold too. And they were known to be extremely hard workers not just on game day but also in the gym.


I hoping for fair value for Royal at this point. We could swing a late 3rd or 4th. :coffee:

Hahhahahahahhahaaa Your avatar is funny. Although isn't the facist salute done with the left arm?

[gregbroncs]

HA!

The problem is the team wasn't loyal to the young talent we had on this team. All Cutler wanted after Josh tried to trade him was a verbal commitment that he wouldn't be traded. Joshy boy couldn't do that so the DISLOYALTY FIRST STARTED WITH THE COACH! All he had to do was say WE WON'T TRADE YOU! Simple....I still don't get why some of you don't get this. So what if Cutler acted like a baby...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

All Marshall wanted was A NEW CONTRACT. One that could have been paid last year for much less money. We would have wrapped him up for 5+ years on mostly incentives. Marshall was then given another year and he proved himself BIGTIME! In fact he was mostly our only bright spot on offense. Even when the playoffs were on the line he was benched for showing up 20 mins to therapy. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME FOR BEING LATE TO THERAPY!!! FREAKIN THERAPY MAN!!! So what if Marshall asked for a trade...the TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!!!!

Nolan wanted to do things his way. He and McNazi butted heads and therefore the team said he could search for a team that wanted his services elsewhere. The TEAM WASN'T LOYAL TO HIM!

Shall I continue? Hillis? Sheffler?


Don't expect these guys to not say anything and just roll over after getting the shaft. I don't blame any of them they were ALL very hard working, dedicated Broncos and showed up to play football.Had a long reply to this but it's just not worth it anymore.

[Thnikkaman]

Let me put it plain and simple for you DenBronx.

Professional sports is a business; these things happen. If you can't take it, go root for another team or find something else to distract yourself with. You are obviously putting unhealthy levels of emotion in something that does not influence your course in life. If you had something insightful to add to this thread, I would understand and let you be. But otherwise, you are basically making Josh McDaniels a personification of your own attitude and personality. So unless you are going to do something other than throw an e-temper tantrum about something you have no ability to control, do yourself a favor and post never.

[DenBronx]

Let me put it plain and simple for you DenBronx.

Professional sports is a business; these things happen. If you can't take it, go root for another team or find something else to distract yourself with. You are obviously putting unhealthy levels of emotion in something that does not influence your course in life. If you had something insightful to add to this thread, I would understand and let you be. But otherwise, you are basically making Josh McDaniels a personification of your own attitude and personality. So unless you are going to do something other than throw an e-temper tantrum about something you have no ability to control, do yourself a favor and post never.



boy...you really persuaded me. :coffee:

you know it's true about mcdaniels ego. otherwise he wouldn't have sent the nucleous of our offense packing. i will not debate with close minded people that have no point.

[Thnikkaman]

boy...you really persueded me. :coffee:

Its persuaded. Use your computers spell checker while your at it son.

[DenBronx]

I don't know guys. I was pretty pissed/heated when I wrote this thread about us trading away Marshall and had a slight instinct that McDaniels may try this one day with Royal so it pissed me off even more.

Now looking at todays draft it's very possible that Royal might get traded after this year. Even if he puts up decent numbers I think Josh will dangle him around the league for draft picks simply because I think Josh prototypical WR's are not like Royal. Why I don't know.

However...yeah not trying to dig up old dirt after I was so negitive but after drafting Thomas and Decker one must really think it's a possibility for next year.