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Ziggy
04-16-2008, 02:59 PM
This is an older article, but I think the theories of why you draft a LT in the 1st round still apply, and it is taking into account proven tackles. It's too early to judge drafts from the last few years fully, so I found it very informative.



Teams in search of a left tackle need not dispatch scouts to Saskatchewan, Barcelona and Grand Rapids. They need not set up a visit with every street free agent who fills up a doorway. They need not butter up agents of undrafted players with fruit baskets and sweet-whispered promises.

All anyone in need of a left tackle has to do is select one in the first round of the draft. As cows come from farms, left tackles come from first rounds. Last season, 20 of the league's 31 starting left tackles--64.5 percent--were first-round picks.

Left tackles aren't like quarterbacks, receivers, defensive backs or interior offensive linemen--all of which can be found in many of the same places as loose change. The elite skill of the left tackle is so clearly definable that left tackles rarely slip through the cracks. Only two of the starting left tackles in the league last year were undrafted coming out of college--Barry Sims of the Raiders and Derrick Deese of the 49ers.

There are fewer left tackle prospects than prospects at most other positions. Phil Savage, Baltimore's director of college scouting, says the Ravens start out with 25 prospects on their board who can play tackle, compared with 50 who can play on the interior. And less than half of those 25 have quick enough feet to play the left side, where players must be both strong enough to stop a power rusher and quick enough to head off a speed rusher coming around the corner on the quarterback's blind side.

"The level of excellence at guard and center is so low compared to left tackle," Savage says. "A sixth- or seventh-round guy can play on the interior, but probably not at left tackle."

The April draft will add to the list of first-round left tackles because as many as five tackles could be taken that early. Miami's Bryant McKinnie and Texas' Mike Williams are expected to be top 10 selections. Arizona State's Levi Jones vaulted into the first round with a solid showing at the Senior Bowl. Florida junior Mike Pearson might sneak into the round after a solid combine. Auburn's Kendall Simmons, who is considered a tackle by some teams, a guard by others, also could go in the first round.

If history is a guide, left tackles chosen in the first round won't be busts. Picking a tackle in the first round is like picking a hamburger from an intimidating menu--it's the safest thing to do.

In the past 10 drafts, 81 percent of the 43 tackles chosen in the first round have played like first-round picks--or in the case of some younger players, at least have shown the promise to play at a first-round level. That is a phenomenal "hit" rate compared with other positions. Only eight tackles drafted in the first round since 1992 have performed clearly below expectations--Arizona's Ernest Dye, Philadelphia's Bernard Williams, Miami's Billy Milner, Kansas City's Trezelle Jenkins, Green Bay's John Michels, Pittsburgh's Jamain Stephens, Washington's Andre Johnson and Oakland's Matt Stinchcomb.

If McKinnie and Williams are picked in the top 10 and don't succeed, they will be true aberrations. In the past 10 years, every tackle chosen in the top 10 has been a success. Eight of the 12 top-10 picks chosen as offensive tackles since 1992 have been to the Pro Bowl--and a handful, like Tony Boselli, Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf and Orlando Pace, could be Hall of Fame-bound.

The low bust factor can be attributed to the fact that it's easy to evaluate left tackles. Lions executive director of player personnel Bill Tobin, who has taken part in drafting seven first-round tackles (Dennis Lick, Ted Albrecht, Keith Van Horne, Jim Covert, Stan Thomas, Tarik Glenn and Jeff Backus), points out that tackles, unlike players at many positions, are gradable on every play.

As a result, there are fewer surprises. Scouts can see how quick their feet are and gauge their ability to recover when caught out of position. They can see if the players can bend their knees. It's evident if they play with power. Height and arm length are indisputable pieces of information.

After watching only a handful of plays, Savage says he realized Ogden could excel at everything required of a left tackle. Rams offensive line coach Jim Hanifan recalls the nearly effortless process of studying Pace before the Rams selected him with the first overall pick in 1997. "If you looked at more than one tape of his, the only reason was to make sure you weren't seeing double," Hanifan says.

Indeed, the Mushroom Club, the brotherhood of offensive line coaches, must be doing a good job of identifying players and selling their needs to team executives and head coaches.

"Most teams rather would not expend a first-round choice on an offensive lineman," Hanifan says. "They'd rather use it on a playmaker, a skill-position athlete or a pass rusher. But if you don't have a left tackle, you'll have to put the tight end over there or chip with the back to eliminate the right defensive end. That takes away from the offense and lets the defense dictate."

The importance of the left tackle can't be overstated. Savage says it is perceived almost as another skill position because what the left tackle does is almost as important as handling the ball. A great one like Ogden makes other players on the line better.

Another reason for choosing a left tackle early is those players tend to be cornerstones who endure. "There is no guarantee when you take one high he's going to be a player," Tobin says. "But if you get a good one, and you usually can, they come in, play early and play long."

And that's what a first-round pick is supposed to do.

LRtagger
04-16-2008, 03:43 PM
Can we get a statistic for how many first round tackles that are starting in the NFL are starting for an offense with a ZBS?

lex
04-16-2008, 03:45 PM
Can we get a statistic for how many first round tackles that are starting in the NFL are starting for an offense with a ZBS?

Do you mean starting as a tackle because just off the top of my head, I can tell you that Robert Gallery was drafted as a tackle but is playing guard.

Ziggy
04-16-2008, 03:55 PM
Can we get a statistic for how many first round tackles that are starting in the NFL are starting for an offense with a ZBS?

How about a statistic for how many teams with a zbs that have a good O-line. Any?

MakitTakit
04-16-2008, 06:01 PM
Only two of the starting left tackles in the league last year were undrafted coming out of college--Barry Sims of the Raiders and Derrick Deese of the 49ers.



That may have been the case in 2002 when the article was written. Of course last year Matt Lepsis was an undrafted starting left tackle.

BOSSHOGG30
04-16-2008, 07:01 PM
The 1st round thing is great.... if you have a shot at the top OT available, if you don't you are better off waiting till the 2nd round on.

Rams, Alex Barron - 1st round
Redskins, Chris Samuels- 1st round
Jets, D'Brickashaw Ferguson - 1st round
Seahawks, Walter Jones- 1st round
Dolphins, Vernon Carey - 1st round
Eagles, William Thomas - 1st round
Vikings, Bryant McKinnie - 1st round
Bears, John Tait - 1st round
Lions, Jeff Backus - 1st round
Saints, Jammal Brown - 1st round
Browns, Joe Thomas - 1st round
Bengals, Levi Jones - 1st round
Ravens, Jonathan Ogden - 1st round
Falcons, Wayne Gandy - 1st round
Patriots, Matt Light- 2nd round
Colts, Tony Ugoh- 2nd round
Jaguars, Khalif Barnes- 2nd round
Chargers, Marcus McNeill- 2nd round
Steelers, Marvel Smith- 2nd round
Titans, Michael Roos- 2nd round
Cowboys, Flozell Adams- 2nd round
Buccaneers, Luke Petitgout - 2nd round
Packers, Chad Clifton - 2nd round
Panthers, Travelle Wharton - 3rd round
Chiefs, Damion McIntosh - 3rd round
Cardinals, Mike Gandy - 3rd round
49ers, Adam Snyder - 3rd round
Giants, David Diehl- 5th round
Texans, Ephraim Salaam - 7th round
Broncos, Matt Lepsis - undrafted free agent
Raiders, Barry Sims - undrafted free agent
Bills, Jason Peters - undrafted free agent

lex
04-16-2008, 08:25 PM
Has anyone seen Pompei lately? He looks rough...like he has full blown AIDs or something.

Buff
04-16-2008, 08:30 PM
The 1st round thing is great.... if you have a shot at the top OT available, if you don't you are better off waiting till the 2nd round on.

Historically I think that's right... But I think this year's draft is top heavy at OT... Right now it looks like the value will be best at that position (Assuming we stay in the #12 hole).

Plus, (For those advocating Stewart or Mendenhall) look at the long term lifespan and value of an OT vs a RB or WR... RB's get hurt nowadays, it's tough to pay them 1st round $$... Especially in then Shanahan system.

BOSSHOGG30
04-16-2008, 08:34 PM
Has anyone seen Pompei lately? He looks rough...like he has full blown AIDs or something.

Is he still writing for the Chicago Tribune?

lex
04-16-2008, 09:24 PM
Is he still writing for the Chicago Tribune?

As far as I know. I read the Journal on my commute.

WARHORSE
04-17-2008, 01:41 AM
This is an older article, but I think the theories of why you draft a LT in the 1st round still apply, and it is taking into account proven tackles. It's too early to judge drafts from the last few years fully, so I found it very informative.



Teams in search of a left tackle need not dispatch scouts to Saskatchewan, Barcelona and Grand Rapids. They need not set up a visit with every street free agent who fills up a doorway. They need not butter up agents of undrafted players with fruit baskets and sweet-whispered promises.

All anyone in need of a left tackle has to do is select one in the first round of the draft. As cows come from farms, left tackles come from first rounds. Last season, 20 of the league's 31 starting left tackles--64.5 percent--were first-round picks.

Left tackles aren't like quarterbacks, receivers, defensive backs or interior offensive linemen--all of which can be found in many of the same places as loose change. The elite skill of the left tackle is so clearly definable that left tackles rarely slip through the cracks. Only two of the starting left tackles in the league last year were undrafted coming out of college--Barry Sims of the Raiders and Derrick Deese of the 49ers.

There are fewer left tackle prospects than prospects at most other positions. Phil Savage, Baltimore's director of college scouting, says the Ravens start out with 25 prospects on their board who can play tackle, compared with 50 who can play on the interior. And less than half of those 25 have quick enough feet to play the left side, where players must be both strong enough to stop a power rusher and quick enough to head off a speed rusher coming around the corner on the quarterback's blind side.

"The level of excellence at guard and center is so low compared to left tackle," Savage says. "A sixth- or seventh-round guy can play on the interior, but probably not at left tackle."

The April draft will add to the list of first-round left tackles because as many as five tackles could be taken that early. Miami's Bryant McKinnie and Texas' Mike Williams are expected to be top 10 selections. Arizona State's Levi Jones vaulted into the first round with a solid showing at the Senior Bowl. Florida junior Mike Pearson might sneak into the round after a solid combine. Auburn's Kendall Simmons, who is considered a tackle by some teams, a guard by others, also could go in the first round.

If history is a guide, left tackles chosen in the first round won't be busts. Picking a tackle in the first round is like picking a hamburger from an intimidating menu--it's the safest thing to do.

In the past 10 drafts, 81 percent of the 43 tackles chosen in the first round have played like first-round picks--or in the case of some younger players, at least have shown the promise to play at a first-round level. That is a phenomenal "hit" rate compared with other positions. Only eight tackles drafted in the first round since 1992 have performed clearly below expectations--Arizona's Ernest Dye, Philadelphia's Bernard Williams, Miami's Billy Milner, Kansas City's Trezelle Jenkins, Green Bay's John Michels, Pittsburgh's Jamain Stephens, Washington's Andre Johnson and Oakland's Matt Stinchcomb.

If McKinnie and Williams are picked in the top 10 and don't succeed, they will be true aberrations. In the past 10 years, every tackle chosen in the top 10 has been a success. Eight of the 12 top-10 picks chosen as offensive tackles since 1992 have been to the Pro Bowl--and a handful, like Tony Boselli, Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf and Orlando Pace, could be Hall of Fame-bound.

The low bust factor can be attributed to the fact that it's easy to evaluate left tackles. Lions executive director of player personnel Bill Tobin, who has taken part in drafting seven first-round tackles (Dennis Lick, Ted Albrecht, Keith Van Horne, Jim Covert, Stan Thomas, Tarik Glenn and Jeff Backus), points out that tackles, unlike players at many positions, are gradable on every play.

As a result, there are fewer surprises. Scouts can see how quick their feet are and gauge their ability to recover when caught out of position. They can see if the players can bend their knees. It's evident if they play with power. Height and arm length are indisputable pieces of information.

After watching only a handful of plays, Savage says he realized Ogden could excel at everything required of a left tackle. Rams offensive line coach Jim Hanifan recalls the nearly effortless process of studying Pace before the Rams selected him with the first overall pick in 1997. "If you looked at more than one tape of his, the only reason was to make sure you weren't seeing double," Hanifan says.

Indeed, the Mushroom Club, the brotherhood of offensive line coaches, must be doing a good job of identifying players and selling their needs to team executives and head coaches.

"Most teams rather would not expend a first-round choice on an offensive lineman," Hanifan says. "They'd rather use it on a playmaker, a skill-position athlete or a pass rusher. But if you don't have a left tackle, you'll have to put the tight end over there or chip with the back to eliminate the right defensive end. That takes away from the offense and lets the defense dictate."

The importance of the left tackle can't be overstated. Savage says it is perceived almost as another skill position because what the left tackle does is almost as important as handling the ball. A great one like Ogden makes other players on the line better.

Another reason for choosing a left tackle early is those players tend to be cornerstones who endure. "There is no guarantee when you take one high he's going to be a player," Tobin says. "But if you get a good one, and you usually can, they come in, play early and play long."

And that's what a first-round pick is supposed to do.


Unless of course, your name is George Foster.:tsk:

Ziggy
04-17-2008, 07:53 AM
Unless of course, your name is George Foster.:tsk:

Or Robert Gallery. There are exceptions as there are to every rule of thumb, but I think he makes some good points in this article. You can evaluate a LT on every play. As far as Lepsis goes, he was a serviceable LT. He had 2 good years. Whether that's cut short by injuries or otherwise, he wasn't worth the contract they gave him. It's time to invest a high pick on a LT. This draft class is deep at the position. I hope the Broncos take advantage of it.

LRtagger
04-17-2008, 08:03 AM
This draft class is deep at the position. I hope the Broncos take advantage of it.


Wouldnt that be reason NOT to use a top pick on one?

Ziggy
04-17-2008, 09:36 AM
Wouldnt that be reason NOT to use a top pick on one?

No, with that argument, we shouldn't take a RB either. The draft is deep in both positions. I say get the best one available at 12.