Shipley expected to visit Broncos

[nevcraw]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/11620/evening-afc-west-news-and-notes-107


Texas receiver Jordan Shipley is expected to be among the rookies who make a pre-draft visit to Denver. Shipley is a productive player, who could be intriguing to Denver in the mid rounds.

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It won't happen because it never does but this is one guy I want to end up a Bronco.. He has Slot machine written all over him..

[Buff]

I liked Jordy Nelson better a couple years ago, but they're same type of really productive college player coming out of the Big 12. I'd love to get him in the 3rd, but I think our current slot in rd 2 is a little too high for him.

[T.K.O.]

maybe in the 4th....we need our top end picks for lineman.
if there is even a chance we use our 2nd on a reciever it will be "tater"

[Ziggy]

maybe in the 4th....we need our top end picks for lineman.
if there is even a chance we use our 2nd on a reciever it will be "tater"

Tate is gone in the 1st. Arrelious Benn might be there in the 2nd though.

[Elevation inc]

i dont think bruger bill has a clue, this article just states there is a chnace we could work out shipley...i doubt we ever bring him in for a private workout...we have 3 guys already.... stokes, mckinnely and royal for the only role he could play

[CoachChaz]

I would be very happy to be able to pick up Shipley. Stokes is at the end of his career and Im not too intrigued by McKinley.

[Ziggy]

i dont think bruger bill has a clue, this article just states there is a chnace we could work out shipley...i doubt we ever bring him in for a private workout...we have 3 guys already.... stokes, mckinnely and royal for the only role he could play

Shipley can play the 2nd receiver spot, or the slot. He's also a very good kick returner.

[rcsodak]

Shipley can play the 2nd receiver spot, or the slot. He's also a very good kick returner.

4.57?

Why do they look faster in pads? :confused:

[nevcraw]

Welker ran a 4.65
fast and quick are vastly different..

[Lancane]

maybe in the 4th....we need our top end picks for lineman.
if there is even a chance we use our 2nd on a reciever it will be "tater"

Benn or Gilyard are more likely then Tate...

I would not surprised to see us take either Benn or Gilyard then Shipley later in the draft as well.

[Broncolingus]

I would not mind seeing how Shipley would do in a Denver uni --- so long as it's a mid-late round pick up.

I expect Shipley will go 'before' I would want to give...

JMO...

[Italianmobstr7]

It won't happen because it never does but this is one guy I want to end up a Bronco.. He has Slot machine written all over him..

This is how I felt about our chances of drafting Brandon Marshall but I was saying since college the guy was gonna be a beast. So anyone who wonders why i defend him so much, that's why. When most didn't know who he was, I was praying we would draft him and telling anyone who would listen that he was going to be great.

Back on topic, I'd like to get Shipley. He's got Stokely like potential. Would be a great addition.

[nevcraw]

if nothing else.. - Shipley could become my new hillis... I need to replace that hole in my heart.

[broncobryce]

This is how I felt about our chances of drafting Brandon Marshall but I was saying since college the guy was gonna be a beast. So anyone who wonders why i defend him so much, that's why. When most didn't know who he was, I was praying we would draft him and telling anyone who would listen that he was going to be great.

Back on topic, I'd like to get Shipley. He's got Stokely like potential. Would be a great addition.

If that's true than hats off to you. But why didn't you tell us he was going to be such a headcase? ;)
What was the book on Marshall in college anyway?

[Bosco]

The only role I could see him having on this team would be as Gaffney's eventual replacement as the "Y" receiver. He's too short and slow for the "X" receiver spot and we have Royal and Stokley as the "Z" receiver.

[dogfish]

The only role I could see him having on this team would be as Gaffney's eventual replacement as the "Y" receiver. He's too short and slow for the "X" receiver spot and we have Royal and Stokley as the "Z" receiver.

if we have stokes, it'll probably only be for another year. . . and as important as the slot is in mcD's scheme, it pays to have a strong backup and/or 4th wideout to play the second slot when we go four wide. . .

also, royal has proven that he can play outside if we can get him involved-- deion branch won a super bowl MVP as a starter in the original weiss version of the new england spread, and i think royal is more talented than branch. . . and shipley can also contribute in the return game, an area where we continue to need help. . .

not that he's my first choice-- at all-- but i certainly wouldn't look at it as a wasted pick. . . with the multiple receiver sets we want to run, it wouldn't hurt to start developing a few guys for the future now, especially considering the typical learning curve at the position. . . if we do trade marshall, our WR corps is going to be looking pretty slim, particularly in terms of young talent. . .

it also depends on where he goes. . .

[Elevation inc]

waste of a private workout if thats the case.....royal, stokes, and mckinnely are all the same type of WR.....shipley is nothing more than a slot guy.....we have royal and mckinnely for that.....

[dogfish]

waste of a private workout if thats the case.....royal, stokes, and mckinnely are all the same type of WR.....shipley is nothing more than a slot guy.....we have royal and mckinnely for that.....

what big receiver did new england have when they were winning all those super bowls?


i'd rather have big guys too, don't get me wrong-- just sayin'. . . .

what big receiver did they ever have before moss?


david patten - 5' 10" 190
deion branch - 5'9" 192
troy brown - 5'10" 196
david givens - 6'0" 215

[Bosco]

if we have stokes, it'll probably only be for another year. . . and as important as the slot is in mcD's scheme, it pays to have a strong backup and/or 4th wideout to play the second slot when we go four wide. . .

also, royal has proven that he can play outside if we can get him involved-- deion branch won a super bowl MVP as a starter in the original weiss version of the new england spread, and i think royal is more talented than branch. . . and shipley can also contribute in the return game, an area where we continue to need help. . .

not that he's my first choice-- at all-- but i certainly wouldn't look at it as a wasted pick. . . with the multiple receiver sets we want to run, it wouldn't hurt to start developing a few guys for the future now, especially considering the typical learning curve at the position. . . if we do trade marshall, our WR corps is going to be looking pretty slim, particularly in terms of young talent. . .

it also depends on where he goes. . .

Correct. We probably only have Stokley for another year, and a guy like Shipley could probably play the Z receiver role even though it's much different then what he did at Texas. Ideally though he's a Y receiver.

Honestly, my concern is that X receiver. I'd like someone tall and fast for that spot.

[dogfish]

Correct. We probably only have Stokley for another year, and a guy like Shipley could probably play the Z receiver role even though it's much different then what he did at Texas. Ideally though he's a Y receiver.

Honestly, my concern is that X receiver. I'd like someone tall and fast for that spot.

yea, no question about that-- you don't typically get those guys in the range that shipley's likely to be available, though. . . and off the top of my head, i'm not thinking of a lot of big-bodied receivers in this years draft that really have great wheels also. . .

of course, marshall's no burner either, and he's been fine for us as a #1. . .

[Elevation inc]

what big receiver did new england have when they were winning all those super bowls?


i'd rather have big guys too, don't get me wrong-- just sayin'. . . .

what big receiver did they ever have before moss?


david patten - 5' 10" 190
deion branch - 5'9" 192
troy brown - 5'10" 196
david givens - 6'0" 215


may arent fond of him but we do have lloyd, who is actually quite talented and proved last year to be a total team player for a change......MCD must be doing something right to get a malcontent with attitude issues like lloyd to sit inactive for 14 games then come in and play well....

[Elevation inc]

Correct. We probably only have Stokley for another year, and a guy like Shipley could probably play the Z receiver role even though it's much different then what he did at Texas. Ideally though he's a Y receiver.

Honestly, my concern is that X receiver. I'd like someone tall and fast for that spot.

or we could draft Steve smith version 2.0 in golden tate, and use lloyd in the redzone if need be as the big guy.....

[dogfish]

may arent fond of him but we do have lloyd, who is actually quite talented and proved last year to be a total team player for a change......MCD must be doing something right to get a malcontent with attitude issues like lloyd to sit inactive for 14 games then come in and play well....

yea, i did kinda forget about him. . .

bet he's still got those alligator arms, though. . . .



and like i said, shipley's not one of my top choices-- i just think he's a gamer who'll be productive at what he's asked to do at the next level, and therefore he's not a guy that i'd be upset if we drafted him. . . ultimately, i just want us to stockpile talent, and bring in guys that can play-- and not burn our picks on stiffs. . .

i'd be just as happy beefing up the lines and running the ball five or six hundred times next year, but i don't think JMFMCD is gonna do it. . .

[Nomad]

Shipley fits a McDaniels mold and with Stokley getting up there in his 'football' age, I wouldn't be surprised though as others had pointed out McD drafted McKinley and has Royal. Can't judge McKinley off of one season;)! Unless people talk out of both sides of their mouth!

[CoachChaz]

Why is everyone so convinced that Royal is a good slot guy? Despite his size, I think he'll be better on the outside in this system than he would in the slot.

[Dirk]

I think because of his size, it would be a "slot" position size. And would fit in a Welker role better. Either way, if he can't get separation then the point is moot....which it seemed that he couldn't do that last year because no one was scared of our running game.

[Nomad]

Why is everyone so convinced that Royal is a good slot guy? Despite his size, I think he'll be better on the outside in this system than he would in the slot.

I don't believe people are saying he should be one but could be an option depending on what receivers McDaniels has at the beginning of TC and the season! he has proven to play well on the outside and I'm sure McD has taken that into account!

[OrangeHoof]

I felt Royal had a "lost season" and ought to be put out wide to take advantage of his speed. Shipley would be a Stokely clone who could be a McCaffrey type with better blocking technique. He's a tough SOB too who can take a hit and pop back up.

I think the Broncos have higher priorities but if they take Shipley, he'll win over most of the fans.

[TXBRONC]

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/11620/evening-afc-west-news-and-notes-107


Texas receiver Jordan Shipley is expected to be among the rookies who make a pre-draft visit to Denver. Shipley is a productive player, who could be intriguing to Denver in the mid rounds.

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It won't happen because it never does but this is one guy I want to end up a Bronco.. He has Slot machine written all over him..

He reminds me of Jordy Nelson.

[CoachChaz]

He reminds me of Jordy Nelson.

A slower Jordy Nelson with better hands and better route running skills

[TXBRONC]

A slower Jordy Nelson with better hands and better route running skills

He's got game speed.

[CoachChaz]

He's got game speed.

No doubt...trust me..I like Shipley ALOT more than I like Nelson.

[TXBRONC]

No doubt...trust me..I like Shipley ALOT more than I like Nelson.

I agree. I got to watch UT play several games over past few years and I like what this kid brings to the table.

[CoachChaz]

I agree. I got to watch UT play several games over past few years and I like what this kid brings to the table.

Definitely. I hate TU (yes I call them TU) with a passion, but I'd be happy to come out of the draft with Shipley and Houston

[Bosco]

or we could draft Steve smith version 2.0 in golden tate, and use lloyd in the redzone if need be as the big guy.....

I like Tate but I think he'd be a waste in Denver. He's more of a Y receiver and with McDaniel's offense the X and Z receivers is where you usually want the premium players. You can fill the Y spot with less premium talent.


Why is everyone so convinced that Royal is a good slot guy? Because that is the skillset he has. Royal is like a rich man's Wes Welker, and Welker is a very good athlete himself.


Despite his size, I think he'll be better on the outside in this system than he would in the slot. He doesn't have the size you want on the outside though. That was alot of his struggle last year in that he was the only guy who had the speed to play the X role despite not being a good fit there.

[nevcraw]

A slower Jordy Nelson with better hands and better route running skills

40 times were very close.. But I think he is quicker but not faster than Jordy Nelson..
he's going to be a heck of pro.. we would be lucky..

I wanted nelson too the year he came out..

[nevcraw]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25675

Overall Football Traits

Production 1
2004: Redshirted2005: NCAA awards Shipley a medical redshirt2006: (13/1) 16 rec., 229 yards (14.3 avg.), 4 TD2007: (13/7) 27 rec., 417 yards (15.4 avg.), 5 TD2008: (13/13) 89 rec., 1,060 yards (11.9 avg.), 11 TD; 15 KOR, 394 yards (26.3 avg.), 1 TD; 6 PR, 64 yards (10.7 avg.), 1 TD

Height-Weight-Speed 3
Possesses an adequate combination of height and weight. Top-end speed appears to be above-average. He needs to verify his estimated speed in order to improve his draft value as a potential return specialist in the NFL.

Durability 4
Missed the entire 2005 season with a hamstring injury and missed the first two games of the 2007 season with a hamstring injury in the opposite leg. Applied for and NCAA awarded a sixth year of eligibility in 2009. He also missed 2009 spring with a shoulder injury that required surgery. To his credit, though, Shipley has played in all 13 games each of the past three seasons (2006-08), including 21 total starts and significant touches in the return game as a junior.

Intangibles 2
Versatile athlete. Team player. Battled back from early injuries and has shown a good work ethic throughout.


Wide Receiver specific Traits

Separation Skills 2
He's a sudden athlete. Shows good burst off the line of scrimmage. Knows how to set up DBs with double moves. Very subtle, crafty route-runner. Displays a very good feel for finding soft spots in zone. Will work back to his QB and understands the importance of sight lines. Doesn't have a lot of experience running intermediate-to-vertical routes. Has room to improve in that area of the route tree.

Ball Skills 1
Ranks among the nation's best in this department. His focus is excellent. He really looks the ball in and makes the tough catches in traffic. He can pluck on the run and consistently catches the ball thrown over his head.

Vertical Speed 3
Does not run many vertical routes. Has room to improve in this area. Top-end speed is good but not elite. He flashes a second gear and the ability to get over the top of man-to-man coverage. Not a huge threat on fade routes/jump balls.

Run After Catch 2
Much more experienced operating after the catch (and in return game) than he is running vertical routes. Gets upfield quickly. Shows good vision to hit the cutback crease. Protects the ball well. Has some shiftiness to make the first defender miss and displays a second gear to run away from some defenders if he hits a crease. However, is not the type of elusive runner that will wiggle his way through multiple defenders in space.

Competitiveness/Toughness 2
Shows no fear going over the middle. Does not get 'alligator arms'. Secures the ball, takes the hit and pops right up. Solid effort as a blocker. Uses feet and leverage to get into position. Gives a decent effort to sustain. Not overly powerful at the point of attack and falls off some blocks, though.

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal