Forums Mock...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Time to do a collective Mock Draft. The way we did this at the Freak a few years back is have each team represented by a Forum member. I need 15 other people to sign up to represent 2 teams (except for 1 w/ 1 due to Cleveland having no day 1 picks). SOOOOO...at this point start picking your teams. The first person should copy and paste the following team list and add their name next to their team of choice. The next person will do the same, copying and pasting the most recent list until we have enough. Once we are all signed up, the draft will begin. We have 45 days or so to get a mock done and I'd like to get thru 3 rounds. I'll take the Buffalo Bills and the Detroit Lions. As long as the participants stay involved, there doesn't need to be a time limit on picks. If it drags, we may need a 24 or 36 hour limit.

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-Scarface
Miami Dolphins-Mizzou
New York Jets-Mizzou

Indianapolis Colts-CoachChaz
Tennessee Titans-4MVP
Houston Texans-dogfish
Jacksonville Jaguars-mclark

Pittsburgh Steelers-Scarface
Baltimore Ravens-BossHogg
Cincinnati Bengals-fcspikeit

Denver Broncos-dogfish
Kansas City Chiefs-Tubby
Oakland Raiders-Nas
San Diego Chargers-Nas

Dallas Cowboys-LRtagger
New York Giants-CoachChaz
Washington Redskins-turftoad
Philadelphia Eagles-BossHogg

New Orleans Saints-CoachChaz
Carolina Panthers-MHCBill
Atlanta Falcons-fcspikeit
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-mclark

Minnesota Vikings-Tubby
Green Bay Packers-MHCBill
Chicago Bears-Lex
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-Mizzou
St. Louis Rams-4MVP
San Fransisco 49ers-turftoad
Arizona Cardinals-LRtagger


DRAFT ORDER ROUND 1
1 Dolphins...Mizzou
2 Rams...4MVP
3 Falcons...Cleveland Rocks
4 Raiders...Nas
5 Chiefs...Tubby
6 Jets...Mizzou
7 Patriots (f/ 49ers)...Scarface
8 Ravens...BossHogg
9 Bengals...Cleveland Rocks
10 Saints...CoachChaz
11 Bills...Assassin
12 Broncos...dogfish
13 Panthers...MHCBill
14 Bears...Lex
15 Lions...Assassin
16 Cardinals...LRtagger
17 Vikings...Tubby
18 Texans...dogfish
19 Eagles...BossHogg
20 Buccaneers...mclark
21 Redskins...turftoad
22 Cowboys (f/ Browns)...LRtagger
23 Steelers...Scarface
24 Titans...4MVP
25 Seahawks...Mizzou
26 Jaguars...mclark
27 Chargers...Nas
28 Cowboys...LRtagger
29 49ers (f/ Colts)...turftoad
30 Packers...MHCBill
31 Giants...CoachChaz

[tubby]

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-
Miami Dolphins-
New York Jets-

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-
Houston Texans-
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-
Baltimore Ravens-
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos-
Kansas City Chiefs- Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys-
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings- Tubby
Green Bay Packers-
Chicago Bears-
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals-

Chiefs and Vikings

[SmilinAssasSin27]

chiefs huh? make sure ya get em a punter in the first, m'kay.

[lex]

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-
Miami Dolphins-
New York Jets-

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-
Houston Texans-
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-
Baltimore Ravens-
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos-
Kansas City Chiefs-Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys-
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings-Tubby
Green Bay Packers-
Chicago Bears- Lex
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals-
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[SmilinAssasSin27]

NFC North seems like a popular division.

[dogfish]

hell, i'll take the broncos if no one else is going to. . .


let me think about my second team. . . .


okay, gimme the texans. . .



Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-
Miami Dolphins-
New York Jets-

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-
Houston Texans- dogfish
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-
Baltimore Ravens-
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos- dogfish
Kansas City Chiefs- Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys-
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings- Tubby
Green Bay Packers-
Chicago Bears- Lex
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals-


i've been thinking about organizing one of these, but since you already started it. . . they're fun in theory, but rarely go very far in practice-- at least, that's been my experience. . . what are the rules? time limits on picks? trades? etc etc. . .

[BroncoBJ]

St. Louis Rams and Tennessee Titans. :elefant:

:salute:

[MHCBill]

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-
Miami Dolphins-
New York Jets-

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-
Houston Texans-
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-
Baltimore Ravens-
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos-
Kansas City Chiefs- Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys-
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-MHCBill
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings- Tubby
Green Bay Packers-
Chicago Bears-
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-MHCBill
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals-

[BOSSHOGG30]

sign me up

[LRtagger]

I'll take the Cowboys and Cards.

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-
Miami Dolphins-
New York Jets-

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-
Houston Texans-
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-
Baltimore Ravens-
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos-
Kansas City Chiefs-Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys- LRtagger
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings-Tubby
Green Bay Packers-
Chicago Bears-Lex
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals- LRtagger

[SmilinAssasSin27]

MHCBill...Rams were taken. Who else ya want?

Boss...you wanna pick yer teams or do ya want me to do it for ya?

[MHCBill]

Give me them Packers... thx.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

done...thanx

[SmilinAssasSin27]

OK...we need 8 more people...

Anyone have any ideas on rules? I'm partial to avoiding trades, but if the majority wants to wheel and deal then I can live with it. Otherwise, a 36 hour time limit on pix is all I see us potentially needing.

[MHCBill]

the only way I could see trades is make them before we start, otherwise no.

Gets too out of hand I think.

I think a 24 hour time limit. If someone misses their time, then either SA27 or Boss should make the pick.

IMO

[BOSSHOGG30]

Why doesn't anyone want the Broncos?

[MHCBill]

They're taken Boss... dogfish.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Just give me two teams... I could care less.... my only exception is the Raiders....I can not predict what Al Davis will do ...that guy is looney.

[MOtorboat]

I'll take the Dolphins and the Jets...

What the hell, why not...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Boss has been given BALTIMORE and Philly.

[BOSSHOGG30]

make up your mind Smilin... I was already scouting for New Orleans... now I have to start all over.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

As it stands now:

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-
Miami Dolphins-Mizzou
New York Jets-Mizzou

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-4MVP
Houston Texans-dogfish
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-
Baltimore Ravens-BossHogg
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos-dogfish
Kansas City Chiefs-Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys-LRtagger
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-BossHogg

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-MHCBill
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings-Tubby
Green Bay Packers-MHCBill
Chicago Bears-Lex
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-4MVP
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals-LRtagger

[SmilinAssasSin27]

make up your mind Smilin... I was already scouting for New Orleans... now I have to start all over.

sorry...tryin to spread em out a bit and split conference when possible. I originally gave ya Miami, but Mizzou snatched it before my post.

I apologize for any inconvenience. I know how much work you have put in on this mock already. :beer:

[BOSSHOGG30]

Dominique Rodgers Cromartie

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Best thing I've seen since sliced bread

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Dominique Rodgers Cromartie

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Best thing I've seen since sliced bread

Ya usually have to wait til the people ahead of you draft. In case ya haven't done this before.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Ya usually have to wait til the people ahead of you draft. In case ya haven't done this before.

I'm play a little game of cat and mouse Smilin...

Darren McFadden sure is fast!

I would be really worried about Glenn Dorsey's knee.

Gholston is over-rated!

[MOtorboat]

I thought you said you didn't want to be Al Davis in this...:confused:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I'm play a little game of cat and mouse Smilin...

Darren McFadden sure is fast!

I would be really worried about Glenn Dorsey's knee.

Gholston is over-rated!

That's OK...I'm on to yer silly little games. No matter. I know yer not taking who Buffalo really wants. 2 years in a row for a Cal Golden Bear...or is it?:laugh:

[BOSSHOGG30]

That's OK...I'm on to yer silly little games. No matter. I know yer not taking who Buffalo really wants. 2 years in a row for a Cal Golden Bear...or is it?:laugh:

As the Eagle and Ravens GM... I can pretty much assure you we will stay away from CAL and the WAC in the first two rounds.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

or will you???

[BOSSHOGG30]

We need 7 more GM's? that is alot... I think some of us will have to do 3 teams

[Scarface]

Buffalo Bills-SmilinAssasSin27
New England Patriots-Scarface
Miami Dolphins-Mizzou
New York Jets-Mizzou

Indianapolis Colts-
Tennessee Titans-4MVP
Houston Texans-dogfish
Jacksonville Jaguars-

Pittsburgh Steelers-Scarface
Baltimore Ravens-BossHogg
Cincinnati Bengals-

Denver Broncos-dogfish
Kansas City Chiefs-Tubby
Oakland Raiders-
San Diego Chargers-

Dallas Cowboys-LRtagger
New York Giants-
Washington Redskins-
Philadelphia Eagles-BossHogg

New Orleans Saints-
Carolina Panthers-MHCBill
Atlanta Falcons-
Tampa Bay Buccaneers-

Minnesota Vikings-Tubby
Green Bay Packers-MHCBill
Chicago Bears-Lex
Detroit Lions-SmilinAssasSin27

Seattle Seahawks-
St. Louis Rams-4MVP
San Fransisco 49ers-
Arizona Cardinals-LRtagger

[SmilinAssasSin27]

the only way I could see trades is make them before we start, otherwise no.

Gets too out of hand I think.

I think a 24 hour time limit. If someone misses their time, then either SA27 or Boss should make the pick.

IMO

Anyone disagree with this? Sounds good to me.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

now we only need 5 more owners.

I work at Noon, but will PM Boss my selections if this thing does get kicked off sooner than I expected.

[CoachChaz]

Give me the Saints and Giants

[SmilinAssasSin27]

cool...now down to 4 owners needed.

(in my best vampire voice) 4 owners...uh...uh...uh

[MOtorboat]

Just so you all know, I'm taking Limas Sweed with the first pick overall. The Dolphins need a complement to Ted Ginn, Jr.

Please plan your draft board accordingly.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

excellent choice. I was thinking about trading up to do teh same. The Bills are signing Bryant Johnson, but so what? Every team needs at least 4 very good WRs even if the OLine and CBs are garbage.

[CoachChaz]

This draft should be interesting

[Cleveland Rocks]

Ah, heck. I'll take the Falcons and Bengals.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Now we need 3.

remaining teams include:

Colts (no first round pick)
Jaguars
Redskins
Buccaneers
Seahawks
49ers

Updated list can be found on first post of page 1 of this thread. I also added the first round draft order that will also be updated regularly.

[CoachChaz]

Now we need 3.

remaining teams include:

Colts (no first round pick)
Jaguars
Redskins
Buccaneers
Seahawks
49ers

Updated list can be found on first post of page 1 of this thread. I also added the first round draft order that will also be updated regularly.

I'll take the Colts as well...if we can run 3 teams

[SmilinAssasSin27]

What do ya folks think? Wait for 3 more or start divvying up the last 6? I'm leaving in 10 minutes, so we should decide now.

[MOtorboat]

I'll take the Seahawks...

[CoachChaz]

Taking 3 teams shouldn't be an issue. Making sure all the "GM's" are here to do this will be the real feat

[tubby]

I sent pms to claymore, turf, NTL, BigDaddy. They are currently online.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Well...I'll tentatively take the Redskins. If more folks show up and wanna take em off my hands, cool. If not, I'll keep the skins.

[CoachChaz]

sO THAT LEAVES JUST 3 MORE TEAMS.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

san fran, jax and tampa...

[MOtorboat]

Where'd Boss go?

[mclark]

I'll take Jacksonville and Tampa Bay if you still need them covered.

[turftoad]

Where'd Boss go?

I'll take San Fran

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I'll take San Fran

u want the skins too?

[turftoad]

u want the skins too?

Sure, I'll play Snider (sp) for a day.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

OK...so that is everyone. Boss has my pix for Buffalo and Detroit if it gets that far tonight.

MODS...feel free to update the first page w/ the draft choices...otherwise, someone participating can keep an update running.

And with that...MIAMI is on the clock...

[mclark]

OK...so that is everyone. Boss has my pix for Buffalo and Detroit if it gets that far tonight.

MODS...feel free to update the first page w/ the draft choices...otherwise, someone participating can keep an update running.

And with that...MIAMI is on the clock...

Good work Assassin.

[tubby]

Pull up a booster chair....the midget is on the clock.

[MOtorboat]

Shit...how much time do I have...

Is this like scrabble? Can I just turn in all my players and draft new ones...Miami's Roster sucks. Did you know they have 7 offensive lineman on the entire roster right now?

[Cleveland Rocks]

I have class and this week is midterms. I won't be on much. But I will be able to post within 24 hours of my picks.

[turftoad]

I have class and this week is midterms. I won't be on much. But I will be able to post within 24 hours of my picks.

I hope this is not a hurry up thing. Yeah, it would make it more fun but I'm sure all of us are busy.
That said, i'll be on and off the site also. Hopefull mostly on.

[MOtorboat]

I hope this is not a hurry up thing. Yeah, it would make it more fun but I'm sure all of us are busy.
That said, i'll be on and off the site also. Hopefull mostly on.

Well, I'll probably make my pick when I'm at lunch...I'm doing some research now, but I do have to work today, too...you know, real world work.

[turftoad]

Well, I'll probably make my pick when I'm at lunch...I'm doing some research now, but I do have to work today, too...you know, real world work.

What the............. You've had the whole offseason to figure this out. Everybody, yes everybody is still on the board. How tough can it be. :D

[MOtorboat]

What the............. You've had the whole offseason to figure this out. Everybody, yes everybody is still on the board. How tough can it be. :D

Well, yes, it's between four guys...obviously, Matt Ryan, Jake Long, Chris Long and Glenn Dorsey...

[BOSSHOGG30]

Is it my pick yet?!

[turftoad]

Well, yes, it's between four guys...obviously, Matt Ryan, Jake Long, Chris Long and Glenn Dorsey...

eni mini minee moe

[tubby]

good lord MO

[turftoad]

good lord MO

Just do like Miami's going to do................. flip a coin.

[tubby]

Just do like Miami's going to do................. flip a coin.

Yeah, its not like he has to fork over the $30Million guaranteed!

[MOtorboat]

Alright...alright...

With the first pick overall in the BroncosForums Mock Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, University of Michigan.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Alright...alright...

With the first pick overall in the BroncosForums Mock Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, University of Michigan.

going with the shocking pick...didn't see that coming.

[dogfish]

hey smilin, can we trade players as well as picks? if so, i wanna unload foxworth. . . .

[BOSSHOGG30]

hey smilin, can we trade players as well as picks? if so, i wanna unload foxworth. . . .

too late.. all trades had to be made before the draft.

[turftoad]

too late.. all trades had to be made before the draft.

I agree. Makes it to tough to track.

[turftoad]

4MVP is on the clock.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Where is the Rams GM?

[MOtorboat]

going with the shocking pick...didn't see that coming.

You kidding...like I said...they have two offensive tackles on their roster right now, and I don't think they are going to get Starks in FA.

[BOSSHOGG30]

You kidding...like I said...they have two offensive tackles on their roster right now, and I don't think they are going to get Starks in FA.

I'm not kidding... I think Parcells is a defensive minded coach. I also think if they do go offense they will go QB... but hey... Your the GM..

I never thought the Dolphins would of drafted Tedd Ginn either when they did, but they did.

[turftoad]

I'm not kidding... I think Parcells is a defensive minded coach. I also think if they do go offense they will go QB... but hey... Your the GM..

I never thought the Dolphins would of drafted Tedd Ginn either when they did, but they did.

Parcells wouldn't have taken Ginn.

[BOSSHOGG30]

I think the Rams GM is pulling a Vikings on us.

[mclark]

I think Ryan might fall out of the top 10. I have big doubts about him.

[MHCBill]

I think the Rams GM is pulling a Vikings on us.I think technically he has over 23 hours to make his pick, but who's counting?

[MOtorboat]

I'm not kidding... I think Parcells is a defensive minded coach. I also think if they do go offense they will go QB... but hey... Your the GM..

I never thought the Dolphins would of drafted Tedd Ginn either when they did, but they did.

Unless Parcells can woo Starks, though, they are really limited on the offensive line. They are switching to a 3-4, and is taking the other Long a good idea, and is Dorsey a 3-4 nose tackle. I think he could be...I dunno, I just thought Jake Long was the logical choice with their offensive line being so depleted. They released two starters and a backup.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Unless Parcells can woo Starks, though, they are really limited on the offensive line. They are switching to a 3-4, and is taking the other Long a good idea, and is Dorsey a 3-4 nose tackle. I think he could be...I dunno, I just thought Jake Long was the logical choice with their offensive line being so depleted. They released two starters and a backup.

Gholston or Chris Long would be my bet followed by Matt Ryan.

[MHCBill]

For the record... I think the Fins draft Jake Long #1 and Joe Flacco with their #2.

[mclark]

I think Chris or Jake Long for Parcells.

[BOSSHOGG30]

The good thing about this long lay over between picks is everyone can get their opinion in on each GM's selection.

[MOtorboat]

Gholston or Chris Long would be my bet followed by Matt Ryan.

Oh, yeah, I don't think they will take Jake Long, I just looked at their roster and made what I thought was a logical choice, based on the fact that they do have a young quarterback (I know, not Parcell's choice), they do have two starting defensive ends (though Roth won't really fit in the 3-4) and they do have a starting DT (whether he's a good nose tackle or not, don't know)...however, they don't have a Left Tackle...

[BOSSHOGG30]

Oh, yeah, I don't think they will take Jake Long, I just looked at their roster and made what I thought was a logical choice, based on the fact that they do have a young quarterback (I know, not Parcell's choice), they do have two starting defensive ends (though Roth won't really fit in the 3-4) and they do have a starting DT (whether he's a good nose tackle or not, don't know)...however, they don't have a Left Tackle...

Honestly...they need to trade back bad...if not the 1st, the 2nd, because they need a lot of upgrades, especially if Jason Taylor is traded or retires.

[mclark]

Honestly...they need to trade back bad...if not the 1st, the 2nd, because they need a lot of upgrades, especially if Jason Taylor is traded or retires.

Who wants the #1 overall pick? Anyone dying to pick....who would they be dying to pick?

[CoachChaz]

If I'm Miami, I take Gholston. Perfect for the 3-4

[mclark]

If I'm Miami, I take Gholston. Perfect for the 3-4

I can see Gholston going top-10 -- but #1 overall?

If they decide to go defensive end, I'm thinking they'll take Long.

[mclark]

DRAFT ORDER ROUND 1
1 Dolphins...Mizzou - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2 Rams...4MVP
3 Falcons...Cleveland Rocks
4 Raiders...Nas
5 Chiefs...Tubby
6 Jets...Mizzou
7 Patriots (f/ 49ers)...Scarface
8 Ravens...BossHogg
9 Bengals...Cleveland Rocks
10 Saints...CoachChaz
11 Bills...Assassin
12 Broncos...dogfish
13 Panthers...MHCBill
14 Bears...Lex
15 Lions...Assassin
16 Cardinals...LRtagger
17 Vikings...Tubby
18 Texans...dogfish
19 Eagles...BossHogg
20 Buccaneers...mclark
21 Redskins...turftoad
22 Cowboys (f/ Browns)...LRtagger
23 Steelers...Scarface
24 Titans...4MVP
25 Seahawks...Mizzou
26 Jaguars...mclark
27 Chargers...Nas
28 Cowboys...LRtagger
29 49ers (f/ Colts)...turftoad
30 Packers...MHCBill
31 Giants...CoachChaz

[CoachChaz]

I can see Gholston going top-10 -- but #1 overall?

If they decide to go defensive end, I'm thinking they'll take Long.

I think Gholston is a more dynamic and better DE than Long. He can line up as an LB with his speed and he can run out of 2, 3 and 4 point stances on the line. The kid is going to be a stud.

[tubby]

4MVP. Where is that little peckerwood?

[CoachChaz]

Wake me when the Saints are on the clock

[turftoad]

I think Gholston is a more dynamic and better DE than Long. He can line up as an LB with his speed and he can run out of 2, 3 and 4 point stances on the line. The kid is going to be a stud.

I think Long is better fit for the 3-4. Has better size vs the run and can still get after the QB. Gholston is going to be very good but better suited for the 4-3 IMO.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Gholston is jumping up the charts. Don't be shocked if he is a top 3 pick.

[CoachChaz]

I think Long is better fit for the 3-4. Has better size vs the run and can still get after the QB. Gholston is going to be very good but better suited for the 4-3 IMO.

When I put Gholston in the 3-4, I have him at LB. He'll be a guy that lines up in alot of different places.

[turftoad]

4MVP. Where is that little peckerwood?

He's away from his war room table. Must be taking a piss.

[BOSSHOGG30]

He's away from his war room table. Must be taking a piss.

maybe he is making a few phone calls trying to swing a last minute trade

[dogfish]

too late.. all trades had to be made before the draft.


I agree. Makes it to tough to track.


jesus, you guys didn't give me much of a chance. . . .



*shrugs*



coach, you're absolutely right about gholston. . . . long will be a very nice player, but gholston is demarcus ware all over again-- except he's thicker and stronger. . . he's going to be a terror. . .

[CoachChaz]

jesus, you guys didn't give me much of a chance. . . .



*shrugs*



coach, you're absolutely right about gholston. . . . long will be a very nice player, but gholston is demarcus ware all over again-- except he's thicker and stronger. . . he's going to be a terror. . .

I have Gholston as a combination of Ware and Merriman

[mclark]

I think Gholston is a more dynamic and better DE than Long. He can line up as an LB with his speed and he can run out of 2, 3 and 4 point stances on the line. The kid is going to be a stud.

I agree he is the more dynamic pass-rusher. Do you think he will be as good against the run as Long? Both Long and Gholston had 14 sacks this year. Long had more tackles for loss and almost twice as many tackles as Gholston, 79 - 37. That seems odd to me.

I agree that Gholston's a stud who will be a force in the NFL.

(In the note below it points out that Ghoulston had a sack against Jake Long and Michigan, the only sack that Long allowed all year.)

Chris Long
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 272 | 40-Time: 4.75

Official Bio

Strengths:
Has good size and bulk...Very active and has an unparalleled motor...Hard worker and team leader with top-notch intangibles...Strong, tough and powerful...Sheds blocks well...Outstanding hand use...Does a terrific job versus the run...Technically sound and understands leverage...Great in pursuit and has a burst to close...Real smart with good instincts and awareness...Versatile and could play in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme..Durable...Has a lot of experience..Had a fantastic senior campaign.

Weaknesses:
Doesn't have great timed speed or quickness...May not have a lot of upside...Not a great natural pass rusher...Isn't going to strike fear into the hearts of opposing offensive tackles off the edge...Was not overly productive prior to his senior year.

Notes:
Father, Howie, was an All-American defensive end at Villanova and enjoyed a 13 season Hall of Fame career with the Oakland Raiders where he made 7 Pro Bowl appearances, won a Super Bowl ring, and was the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year twice...Younger brother, Kyle, is a standout baseball player...Chris won the Ted Hendricks Award as the nation's top defensive end in 2007...Played in a 3-4 defense in college and that might be his best fit at the next level...May never be an "elite" NFL defensive end but he should be a very good player for a long time.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2004 6 5 2.0 1.0
2005 12 46 10.0 2.0
2006 12 57 12.0 4.0
2007 13 79 19.0 14.0
Totals 43 187 43.0 21.0

Vernon Gholston
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 266 | 40-Time: 4.67

Official Bio

Strengths:
A terrific athlete...Good speed and quickness...Has a cut muscular physique...Very strong with good power...Has an outstanding motor...Does a solid job against the run...Has excellent range and is a terror in pursuit...Is able to get pressure off the edge or as a bull rusher...Good tackler...A hard worker with top intangibles...Very productive...Versatile and can play more than one position...Still has some upside.

Weaknesses:
Needs to be more consistent...Questionable awareness and instincts...Undersized if he were to play defensive end...Does not have a lot of experience dropping into coverage...Has some work to do when it comes to technique...May have to learn a new position at the pro level...At times he gets by on his natural ability...Does not have an elite burst...Some durability issues...A better athlete than football player?

Notes:
Could be either a 4-3 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL...Broke his left hand in the '05 season opener and redshirted...Beat Michigan's Jake Long for the only sack he surrendered as a senior..A workout warrior with rare physical tools but he was also very productive..Can be a Shawn Merriman type of player at the next level with some development..The best pure pass rusher in the '08 Draft.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2004 6 0 0 0
2005 2 1 0.0 0.0
2006 13 49 15.0 8.5
2007 13 37 15.5 14.0
Totals 28 87 30.5 22.5

[BOSSHOGG30]

those messurables are old. Gholston already showed that his is faster than 4.67

[BOSSHOGG30]

Did the Rams pick yet?

[MOtorboat]

Did the Rams pick yet?

No...MVP isn't around...

[BOSSHOGG30]

No...MVP isn't around...

ok, just checking... I'm starting to worry about my personal being.... Ray Lewis has a knife and keep telling me I better draft a QB.

[mclark]

ok, just checking... I'm starting to worry about my personal being.... Ray Lewis has a knife and keep telling me I better draft a QB.

Dennis Dixon is available.

[MOtorboat]

Dennis Dixon is available.

So is Colt Brennan. ;)

[mclark]

those messurables are old. Gholston already showed that his is faster than 4.67

I don't think a defensive lineman's 40 time is really that important. Shedding blockers is more important than running the 40. And an instinct for the ball.

I'm surprised Gholston had so few tackles this year. Do you think that stat is wrong?

[BOSSHOGG30]

I'm leaning towards Ryan Leafs brother...did he declare yet?

[mclark]

So is Colt Brennan. ;)

I was thinking Pittsburgh would be SCARY with Troy Smith and Dennis Dixon. But Colt Brennan would be interesting also.

[MOtorboat]

I don't think a defensive lineman's 40 time is really that important. Shedding blockers is more important than running the 40. And an instinct for the ball.

I'm surprised Gholston had so few tackles this year. Do you think that stat is wrong?

Actually, with the Dolphins most likely moving to a 3-4...his speed might be more important...not that I think the Dolphins want him at No. 1, but if a 3-4 team is looking at him...speed does matter somewhat.

[MOtorboat]

I was thinking Pittsburgh would be SCARY with Troy Smith and Dennis Dixon. But Colt Brennan would be interesting also.

I know you mean Baltimore...;)

[BOSSHOGG30]

Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston recorded a 42 inch vertical leap and ran a 4.58 forty at his Pro Day Saturday, on a track considered to be one of the slower tracks.

That's over six inches more than his excellent Combine performance, which many players would have rested on. Gholston is making the case that he's the most athletic player in the draft. Oakland will look at him hard with the fourth pick.
Source: CBS.Sportsline.com

[lex]

Guys, Im going to start another thread meant only for the draft picks and we can use this for commentary and such. Does this sound alright with everyone? Itll just be a lot easier in terms of knowing who is available and such.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Guys, Im going to start another thread meant only for the draft picks and we can use this for commentary and such. Does this sound alright with everyone? Itll just be a lot easier in terms of knowing who is available and such.

Good idea lex

[mclark]

I know you mean Baltimore...;)

Yes, somehow I connect those two teams. I think it's because both won through sheer intimidation for so long.

I did mean Baltimore.

[mclark]

Actually, with the Dolphins most likely moving to a 3-4...his speed might be more important...not that I think the Dolphins want him at No. 1, but if a 3-4 team is looking at him...speed does matter somewhat.

Speed does matter for a linebacker.

[Cleveland Rocks]

Sorry was in class. I will be entertaining offers for the Falcons #3 pick ... if you want Darren McFadden ... here's your shot "HINT, HINT"

[mclark]

I'm leaning towards Ryan Leafs brother...did he declare yet?

He's available.

[turftoad]

Sorry was in class. I will be entertaining offers for the Falcons #3 pick ... if you want Darren McFadden ... here's your shot "HINT, HINT"

I think we've decided no trades. Makes it to hard to track.

[Cleveland Rocks]

I think we've decided no trades. Makes it to hard to track.

Oh, I must have missed memo. Ok.

That makes it easier - everyone's gotta pick on the Cowboys !!

[turftoad]

Oh, I must have missed memo. Ok.

That makes it easier - everyone's gotta pick on the Cowboys !!

I think most everyone has at least two teams anyways.

Sheesh...... I took the last two available. Oh well. Just for the fun of it anyway.

[LRtagger]

Damn...with the Cowboys I was going to trade Julius plus my two #1's to Miami to pick up McFadden #1 overall... now with no trades I dont know what I will do :(

[MOtorboat]

I think most everyone has at least two teams anyways.

Sheesh...... I took the last two available. Oh well. Just for the fun of it anyway.

I'm trading between my Jets and my Seahawks...my two remaining teams. I'm going to make the Seahawks unstoppable...bwahahahahah....

Wait a minute...the Jets don't have anyone that would be an upgrade for the Seahawks. Well shit.

[BOSSHOGG30]

are we still on pick 2?!

[Cleveland Rocks]

are we still on pick 2?!

Yep, I know exactly who I'm taking with the Falcons and when It's my turn I won't sit long. Especially since there are no trades.

[CoachChaz]

This is crap waiting on people.

[MOtorboat]

Cutler4MVP hasn't been around since he committed...

[CoachChaz]

Cutler4MVP hasn't been around since he committed...

Can someone else pick for him til he gets back? This is bullshit

[Cleveland Rocks]

I'm the next pick. I can't sit around forever. Is there someone I should PM my pick to in case I am not online?

[dogfish]

ahahahaha. . . .


may as well relax fellas, he only posts late at night. . . you're probably going to be waiting until tomorrow. . . .


that's why these things shouldn't just be open to whoever wants to sign up. . . . i've done these forum mocks before, and they rarely ever move faster than three or four picks per day-- IF you're lucky. . . .

[LRtagger]

Can we make a new thread that is a sticky that ONLY shows the selections...when my turn comes up I dont want to have to wade through 30 pages to see the selections. I want to be able to make my selection in 5-10 min.

[Cleveland Rocks]

Can we make a new thread that is a sticky that ONLY shows the selections...when my turn comes up I dont want to have to wade through 30 pages to see the selections. I want to be able to make my selection in 5-10 min.

Already was done - but not stickied.

[lex]

Cutler4MVP hasn't been around since he committed...

MB, could you post your pick again in the thread I started so that people will follow suit? It will help to better keep track of it for everyone and to keep a consolidated draft board if we can scroll through the picks in the correct sequence.

[LRtagger]

Dont know how I missed it

[lex]

Did we discuss a time limit?

Also, if we do have a time limit, I recommend making, say, 11 pm (Mt time) to 6 am (Cent time) a dead period where the clock is no longer running. Also, once youve made your selection post the time that you made the selection (also indicating which time zone) and PM the person who picks next. I will try to do this as well, but it will better facilitate flow if you PM them also.

BTW, we can discuss an appropriate dead time. And what Im suggesting is not is not a time where people cant make picks but, rather, a time where the clock isnt running for someone who is actually sleeping. And again, we can discuss what that time period is.

[dogfish]

hey guys, nobody take desean jackson, okay? i really want him at #12. . . .

[BroncoBJ]

LMAO guys. Calm yourself.
:salute: @ Dogfish for knowing my routine.
I tend to come on a lot more at night but I come on during the day as well.
It happened so fast too I didn't expect today for it to start. :eek:

But I'm here and I'm not a deadbeat :elefant:

So this isn't exactly horse shit though its close to it. :salute:

[Cleveland Rocks]

Next up, Raiders - Nas' turn.

Made my selection already :)

Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

Falcons seriously need a DT and they have a defensive oriented Head Coach. Their GM has already come out and said publicly he is uncomfortable with taking a QB in the top 10. No trades, so took a DT.

[BOSSHOGG30]

So I guess Sedrick Ellis doesn't pass up Dorsey on the draft charts.

[tubby]

Croyle Sucks!

[BOSSHOGG30]

Croyle Sucks!

wow, are we drafting what we truley think each team will draft? KC drafts Ryan? They are a shoe in for Jake Long or Ryan Clady.

[turftoad]

Croyle Sucks!

I'd like to find out if his wife does too. :D

[Cleveland Rocks]

wow, are we drafting what we truley think each team will draft? KC drafts Ryan? They are a shoe in for Jake Long or Ryan Clady.

I guess you can't miss passing up on an overrated QB like Ryan.

[MOtorboat]

Um...it's Tubby...and its Carl Peterson...someone is gonna screw it up somewhere...

OK...I picked...Scar is on the clock...

[dogfish]

OK...I picked...Scar is on the clock...

good pick. . . .


gholston is gonna be insane. . . .

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Gholston is a manchild. He'll be a great 3-4 OLB.

Who is next, New England? hmmm...CB, OT, LB, WR...should be an interesting one.

[BroncoBJ]

Aight I just quit my job now so I could be here to attend the mock draft. :elefant:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

glad to see yer priorities are in order.

[tubby]

Um...it's Tubby...and its Carl Peterson...someone is gonna screw it up somewhere...

OK...I picked...Scar is on the clock...

This chiefs would be wise to choose the top rated QB in the draft. I hope they don't. Seriously, ya little dickweed, when was the last time a chiefs QB QB drafted by the chiefs won a game in the NFL for the chiefs?

Croyle Sucks!

[lex]

Im looking forward to the 2nd round. Thats where it becomes more interesting.

[tubby]

Im looking forward to the 2nd round. Thats where it becomes more interesting.

So who are the Bears going to take?

[lex]

So who are the Bears going to take?


Thats a good question. It remains to be seen.

[Scarface]

Patriots select Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy. Boss is on the clock.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

goin to bed...likely won't be on in the AM...Again, Boss has my pix for Buffalo and Detroit.
next up are:
Bmore
Cincy
New Orleans
Buffalo

[BroncoBJ]

I'll be up all night but I'm not normal like everyone else and I'm up late while others get on in the morning :lol:

So chances are this whole thing is going to be bullshit again until I get on tommorow at about 2 PM Mountain time. :salute:

Just so everyone knows :lol:

[Cleveland Rocks]

Well, I think I am going to bed soon.

I PM'd lex and BOSS my pick for the Bengals. I have class to get to very early tomorrow morning and might not get a chance to get on the board untill around 5pm MT tomorrow evening.

[BroncoBJ]

sleep tight Charlie. :salute:

:elefant:

[fcspikeit]

How and the hell did I miss this thread? :mad:

I was wondering if anyone was going to organize one of these... Its really too bad, I would have liked to play.. :tsk:

My lose, have fun guys :salute:

[BroncoBJ]

Alright guys I looked at who all is ahead of me on the draft board and I think they all are morning people.

So while everyone is making thier picks I will be getting my beauty sleep and dreaming of which QB the titans will draft because they dont have a QB. Well they dont have a good one. Vince Young is pathetic so I will have to see what QB I'm going to take. :elefant:

I should be on between 1-2 Mountain Time.
And my pick wont be made any later then 2:30 PM I can guarantee that(unless its not my turn when I get online).

Just letting everyone know my itenarary so people don't get upset. I would hate to see some upset Bronco fans on this site. :salute:

[BOSSHOGG30]

Why would the Bengals select Sederick Ellis? Aren't the Bengals running a 3-4? Ellis wouldn't be a good NT. JMO

[Cleveland Rocks]

Why would the Bengals select Sederick Ellis? Aren't the Bengals running a 3-4? Ellis wouldn't be a good NT. JMO

I was under the belief they were still running a 4-3. They have been trying to get a DT lately and have fallen through many times. They signed Odom to play at DE I know. They couldn't get Smith and they couldn't get Robertson. So, I had them getting Ellis because this wouldn't fall through.

I don't follow the Bengals closely. They might be a 3-4. I pay attention to the Browns. The rest of the division I couldn't care less for.

[BOSSHOGG30]

I was under the belief they were still running a 4-3. They have been trying to get a DT lately and have fallen through many times. They signed Odom to play at DE I know. They couldn't get Smith and they couldn't get Robertson. So, I had them getting Ellis because this wouldn't fall through.

I don't follow the Bengals closely. They might be a 3-4. I pay attention to the Browns. The rest of the division I couldn't care less for.

They could select Ellis... I mean it is the Bengals... when it comes to defense they aren't very smart. I think they would be paying a lot of money on a 4-3 DT to struggle or be an average DT in a 3-4 defense, but it does seem like a move the Bengals would make.

[dogfish]

Why would the Bengals select Sederick Ellis? Aren't the Bengals running a 3-4? Ellis wouldn't be a good NT. JMO

probably for the same reason they were trying to trade for dewayne robertson, who's proven to be ineffective as a 3-4 nose-- because they're idiots. . . . :lol:

[BOSSHOGG30]

probably for the same reason they were trying to trade for dewayne robertson, who's proven to be ineffective as a 3-4 nose-- because they're idiots. . . . :lol:

They could be changing their minds on running a 3-4 as well... never know.

[dogfish]

They could be changing their minds on running a 3-4 as well... never know.

or, they may not really have a plan at all, and they're trying desperately to acquire pretty much any defensive talent they can find. . . personally, i think their current personnel is more suited to the 4-3 anyways-- i suppose ahmad brooks has the size for a 3-4 inside 'backer, but they don't have that rushbacker to come off the edge, unless they think odom can transition. . . dumb to mess with him though, IMO-- it's taken long enough for him to establish himself playing his natural position. . . robert geathers might make a pretty solid 3-4 end, but i'd say they're a LONG way from having the guys they need to run that scheme full time. . . i'd guess they're probably planning on running a hybrid scheme the way baltimore has. . . .

[CoachChaz]

Well, if he wants to change his mind...I know the Saints could use a DT.

[tubby]

goin to bed...likely won't be on in the AM...Again, Boss has my pix for Buffalo and Detroit.
next up are:
Bmore
Cincy
New Orleans
Buffalo

Boss you got the Bills pick from SAS?

[MHCBill]

I'm going to PM Boss my picks for the Panthers and Packers... I will be away almost all day.

[dogfish]

I'm going to PM Boss my picks for the Panthers and Packers... I will be away almost all day.

good call. . . tell him to pick for smiley while he's at it. . . .

[BOSSHOGG30]

Boss you got the Bills pick from SAS?

Yep....

He told me in this order:
So Albert looks like it is the pick

McKelvin, CB
Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
Jenkins, CB
Albert, OG

[lex]

I was going to take Albert. That was a nice pick by whoever made that.

[fcspikeit]

I am just wondering how you guys are running this..

Are you going to keep Tabs on all your picks to see who was the best Gm here? That would be fun! If you were doing that people would have to pick who they feel is the BPA regardless of the team needs they are picking for.

It seems to me, some of you are picking BPA and others are picking as if they were the actual GM for the team they are picking for. If your going to keep tabs, the participants would have to try and pick guys they feel will start this year, regardless of who actualy picks them..

[LRtagger]

Alright, I just selected Stewart to the Cards to share duties with Edge and take over when Edge's wheels fall off after this season. I'm surprised he was still available...I was hoping he would be.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Alright, I just selected Stewart to the Cards to share duties with Edge and take over when Edge's wheels fall off after this season. I'm surprised he was still available...I was hoping he would be.

Can the Cardinals afford him? Plus, they need to replace some of the guys on defense. They lost Calvin Pace, Antrel Rolle is moving to safety with Adrian Wilson, so they are down a CB.

[tubby]

Vikings need a pass rusher. If they hadn't signed Berrian I would have taken Sweed or Kelly. Still almost did.

[BroncoBJ]

I still cant believe how much they payed Berrian. I dont really think he is that good and in Minnesota he is going to continue to suck until they get a real QB. I dont know what everyone saw in him that was so great.
I still think they need a better WR plus a QB.

[turftoad]

I still cant believe how much they payed Berrian. I dont really think he is that good and in Minnesota he is going to continue to suck until they get a real QB. I dont know what everyone saw in him that was so great.
I still think they need a better WR plus a QB.

The vikes have a couple of young guys that I think are going to be good. Like you said, if they get a real QB.
Sidney Rice and Andre Allison.

[BroncoBJ]

The vikes have a couple of young guys that I think are going to be good. Like you said, if they get a real QB.
Sidney Rice and Andre Allison.

Yea I think Sidney Rice is pretty good. But those WR's arn't going to do anything with T-jack running the show. I guess all he needs to do now is just manage the game and hope that AP can continue to run wild and hope thier D holds teams in the teens or less. Then maybe he can pull out some wins but hes not a QB I'd want leading my team on a weekly basis.

[turftoad]

Yea I think Sidney Rice is pretty good. But those WR's arn't going to do anything with T-jack running the show. I guess all he needs to do now is just manage the game and hope that AP can continue to run wild and hope thier D holds teams in the teens or less. Then maybe he can pull out some wins but hes not a QB I'd want leading my team on a weekly basis.

That's for sure. I don't know why they didn't go after a decent FA QB. One to just manage a game anyway and not throw it away.
Guess there still is the draft.

[LRtagger]

Can the Cardinals afford him? Plus, they need to replace some of the guys on defense. They lost Calvin Pace, Antrel Rolle is moving to safety with Adrian Wilson, so they are down a CB.


From what I understand, they have the money. Fitzgerald's new contract freed up $9mil in cap space for 2008. I also think they are talking to Warner about restructuring which should free up some more money. I'm not sure what they have to spend for rookies.

They only averaged 90 yards a game rushing and I dont think Edge can carry the team much longer. Arrington isn't an impressive backup and I think the one-two punch of Edge and Stewart could easily get the Cards into the playoffs this year (if Warner can stay healthy and consistant). This will also give them a good runner for the future. If Edge plays out his contract, the Cards could cut both Arrington and Shipp.

I hope to pick up a CB in the second (hoping Cason slips that far).

[tubby]

For some reason Childress likes Jackson.

[dogfish]

I am just wondering how you guys are running this..

Are you going to keep Tabs on all your picks to see who was the best Gm here? That would be fun! If you were doing that people would have to pick who they feel is the BPA regardless of the team needs they are picking for.

It seems to me, some of you are picking BPA and others are picking as if they were the actual GM for the team they are picking for. If your going to keep tabs, the participants would have to try and pick guys they feel will start this year, regardless of who actualy picks them..

nah, you just pick as though you were the team's GM. . . . otherwise it would be called rookie fantasy football rather than a mock draft-- and no one would take linemen. . .

[kthxbai]

Yea I think Sidney Rice is pretty good. But those WR's arn't going to do anything with T-jack running the show. I guess all he needs to do now is just manage the game and hope that AP can continue to run wild and hope thier D holds teams in the teens or less. Then maybe he can pull out some wins but hes not a QB I'd want leading my team on a weekly basis.

I totally agree!

[BroncoBJ]

:laugh: Beast#7. I see you made it to stalking me over on this site too huh?

Ready to get banned again? :salute:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Harvey was a nice pickup.

[kthxbai]

:laugh: Beast#7. I see you made it to stalking me over on this site too huh?

Ready to get banned again? :salute:

Go for it.

[BroncoBJ]

Some day I wll :coffee:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Can we just get rid of this tool now? I think we can all tell how this is gonna end.

[kthxbai]

Some day I wll :coffee:

Don't tase me bro

:coffee:

[tubby]

Bout time peckerwood got out of bed and got things rolling again. :cool:

[BroncoBJ]

:lol: Yea the world revolves around me. :P

[tubby]

Rivers is a steal for the Jags

[BroncoBJ]

Damn why didn't Coach give his pick to MB.
Since MB is on now.
He could take Coach's pick and then MB makes his.
Then I make mine and everythings hunky dorry.

Because I dont want to have night mares again over this draft. I had trouble sleeping last night that I was late and that is not what I'm about. :salute:

[tubby]

dammit

I was going to pick Baker.

[MOtorboat]

dammit

I was going to pick Baker.

Umm...we're waiting on you there big guy...

[tubby]

Umm...we're waiting on you there big guy...

Done....little guy.

[BOSSHOGG30]

I bet Smilin goes TE in the 2nd round for the Bills. Probably Keller... good pick up too because he was considered a 1st round talent.

[dogfish]

dammit

I was going to pick Baker.


don't feel bad. . . i was hoping to get simms. . . . :mad:

[lex]

Gotta say, tubby's draft has not been semi realistic. I could possibly see Ryan, however unlikely. But when he took a DT after they upgraded that last year, with a primary need of OT and solid OTs available....:confused:

Not trying to be a jerk...just being honest.

[dogfish]

how much further is brian brohm going to fall?

[tubby]

don't feel bad. . . i was hoping to get simms. . . . :mad:

I really wanted you to get him too. :cool:

[tubby]

Gotta say, tubby's draft has not been semi realistic. I could possibly see Ryan, however unlikely. But when he took a DT after they upgraded that last year, with a primary need of OT and solid OTs available....:confused:

Not trying to be a jerk...just being honest.

How do you figure? Their run D sucked last year. I know they need a OT but who was available in the 2nd?

[lex]

How do you figure? Their run D sucked last year. I know they need a OT but who was available in the 2nd?

Collins or Nicks. A better question, who is going to be available in the 3rd? And also, them drafting a DT is like us drafting a DE. They had two rookies last year that they have to wait and see with.

Edit-- I just checked and Nicks was already taken in the late first.
Knowing that, you could have still had Collins but Ill wait and see how it plays out a little more.

[tubby]

Collins or Nicks. A better question, who is going to be available in the 3rd? And also, them drafting a DT is like us drafting a DE. They had two rookies last year that they have to wait and see with.

Collins is a major reach that high in the 2nd and Nicks is a Charger. Collins might be there in the 3rd.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them take Sims or Laws in the 2nd. Turk McBride is too small and Tank Tyler sucks.

[lex]

Collins is a major reach that high in the 2nd and Nicks is a Charger. Collins might be there in the 3rd.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them take Sims or Laws in the 2nd. Turk McBride is too small and Tank Tyler sucks.

Fair enough but ask yourself this: do you really see the Chiefs not taking an offensive lineman until the third round or later?

[BOSSHOGG30]

Chiefs will take OL in the 1st round! Clady or Long, whoever is there.

[MOtorboat]

I wouldn't bank on the Chiefs doing anything...

Not with Carl Peterson at the helm.

[BOSSHOGG30]

I wouldn't bank on the Chiefs doing anything...

Not with Carl Peterson at the helm.

the only other possibility I see is for them to draft a QB.

[MOtorboat]

the only other possibility I see is for them to draft a QB.

Which is what tubby did...

[MOtorboat]

P.S. Remember, King Carl took Medlock in the 4th round...OVER Mason Crosby...

He also took Ryan Sims with the sixth pick overall...

[BOSSHOGG30]

Which is what tubby did...

and it makes sense. I didn't say Tubby had a bad draft.... that was Lex. I agree with Tubby...QB or OT..either pick makes sense to me.

[BOSSHOGG30]

P.S. Remember, King Carl took Medlock in the 4th round...OVER Mason Crosby...

He also took Ryan Sims with the sixth pick overall...

I love King Carl and Al Davis. Thank god they are both in our division.

I wonder if one of our division fows would sign Teddie boy for their GM duties after this season?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I bet Smilin goes TE in the 2nd round for the Bills. Probably Keller... good pick up too because he was considered a 1st round talent.

WOW...you must be psychic!

:listen:

[lex]

and it makes sense. I didn't say Tubby had a bad draft.... that was Lex. I agree with Tubby...QB or OT..either pick makes sense to me.


Ill ask you the same question. Do you honestly see KC waiting until the 3rd or later to take an offensive lineman?

[MOtorboat]

Ill ask you the same question. Do you honestly see KC waiting until the 3rd or later to take an offensive lineman?

Do you honestly have any clue as to what Carl Peterson is going to do?

[BOSSHOGG30]

Ill ask you the same question. Do you honestly see KC waiting until the 3rd or later to take an offensive lineman?

Considering they have a lot of money invested in Larry Johnson and they want to protect their QB better... I would be shocked if they waited till the 3rd round or later for an offensive lineman. But you also have to realize they have Carl Peterson as their GM and he himself wouldn't surprise me by waiting that long to address the problem. I also feel Croyle sucks and they need a QB and if Matt Ryan is there that would be a huge upgrade. I doubt Herm is ready to give up on Croyle so soon, but you never know. If I was a betting man I would put a lot of money on either Jake Long or Ryan Clady becoming Chiefs.

[tubby]

Ill ask you the same question. Do you honestly see KC waiting until the 3rd or later to take an offensive lineman?

If they draft Matt Ryan and the next best OT available in the 2nd is Collins (whoever he is)............YES.

[MOtorboat]

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he took Vernon Gholston...

[lex]

Do you honestly have any clue as to what Carl Peterson is going to do?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/515739.html


Chiefs not making much noise in free agency
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Edwards If you blinked over the last few days, you might have missed the sum of the Chiefs’ activity in free agency.

Coach Herm Edwards indicated Monday the Chiefs could well be finished signing players. If so, that would leave former Atlanta linebacker Demorrio Williams as the entire free-agent haul for a 4-12 team that lost its final nine games and has desperate needs at cornerback, wide receiver and several offensive-line positions.

“If we don’t get anybody else, that’s OK,” Edwards said. “What I don’t want to do is go out and get a guy, any guy, just so people think, ‘Well, they got somebody, so they must be doing a good job in free agency.’ No, that’s not what we’re going to do. If that guy can’t help us win and he doesn’t fit what we’re doing, we will not bring him in here. That would be a waste of our time and a waste of his time.

“That’s what’s great about our attitude now. There are certain guys we’d like to have, and we’ll try to get them in for a visit and we’ll try to sign them. If you don’t get them, you don’t (necessarily) bring in somebody else. You don’t need to. That’s why they have the draft.

“I believe in the draft. Free agency is great, but for what we’re trying to do, we’ve got to draft our football team. To me, I’m more excited about the draft. We’re going to pick guys we feel can come in here and start. That’s not a bad thing for us. That’s a good thing for us. We’re trying to build for the long haul, and we’re trying to build with youth. We’re trying to keep this team together for a long time.”

Edwards said the Chiefs had no free-agent visitors Monday and no visits scheduled for later in the week. They have three vacancies on their starting offensive line, at least one at cornerback and one at wide receiver, and Edwards said the Chiefs would load up at all three positions in the draft.

“There are a lot of good offensive linemen in the draft,” he said. “We’ve got 10 picks and we’re evaluating the guys who would be a good fit in our system, and we’ll get some good offensive linemen.

“There are enough good cornerbacks available in the draft that we’re going to get some good ones. There’s an abundance of good corners in the second or third round. The draft is heavy at all of those positions.”

In addition to signing Williams, the Chiefs met with Buffalo tight end Michael Gaines, who instead signed with the Detroit Lions. They planned to visit this week with Dallas cornerback Jacques Reeves, but he joined the Houston Texans.

The Chiefs never even got that far with their two top free-agent priorities: former New Orleans center Jeff Faine and former Seattle kicker Josh Brown. Neither agreed to meet with the Chiefs before signing elsewhere, Faine with Tampa Bay and Brown with St. Louis.

Edwards defended that failure, indicating the Chiefs didn’t believe Faine was worth the kind of money he was paid by the Buccaneers. He also said Brown preferred to kick in the controlled atmosphere of the Rams’ dome rather than in Arrowhead Stadium’s unpredictable conditions.

“You know when you go into free agency that you aren’t going to get them all,” Edwards said. “You wish you would have gotten another guy or two. But we didn’t. In the end, does it make you better if you had gotten those guys? Maybe a little bit. The way we’re approaching it, we’re going to be OK if we didn’t get anybody in free agency.”

[BOSSHOGG30]

I know one thing... So many mocks have us drafting Ryan Clady...which I find comical because he will more likely be a Chief. Denver fans want an OT, they better start developing man crushes on Jeff Otah or Chris Williams.

[MOtorboat]

Trust me lex, I know what Herm is saying...I also listen to KC sports talk radio every day...I live here...everyone expects an offensive linemen, but no one knows exactly what King Carl is gonna do.

[tubby]

I know one thing... So many mocks have us drafting Ryan Clady...which I find comical because he will more likely be a Chief. Denver fans want an OT, they better start developing man crushes on Jeff Otah or Chris Williams.

At this point I would prefer Otah. Stick him on the rightside for the next 10 years.

We drafted Harris in the 3rd. He gets a shot to prove he can play. Let him battle it out with Pears who is a better LT than RT in my opinion anyway.

[lex]

Trust me lex, I know what Herm is saying...I also listen to KC sports talk radio every day...I live here...everyone expects an offensive linemen, but no one knows exactly what King Carl is gonna do.

OK, but this isnt some talk show hack...this is straight from the coaches mouth. Unless Edwards is lying or he and Peterson are not on the same page, its pretty much out there. Not only that but he just specified 2 other priorities that are not DT or QB.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I know one thing... So many mocks have us drafting Ryan Clady...which I find comical because he will more likely be a Chief. Denver fans want an OT, they better start developing man crushes on Jeff Otah or Chris Williams.

1 step ahead of ya

[MOtorboat]

Here's Carl's lovely drafting resume...
In 2003, the Chiefs needed defense, any defense they could get...they took Larry Johnson instead of Nick Barnett, and chose to draft Kawika Mitchell in the second round instead. That team in 2003 went 13-3 and needed defense. They chose running back and they fell off, because that aging offense couldn't keep up with their 2003 production.

Now, Johnson is a malcontent that is now stuck on a lousy offensive team and Mitchell high-tailed it out of town at the first chance, because KC never gave him much of a chance.

Meanwhile, Nick Barnett is the every-game starting Middle Linebacker for Green Bay.

In 2002, he took Ryan Sims, the second best lineman on his own college team, over Bryant McKinnie, Roy Williams, Levi Jones and Dwight Freeney. At the time, the team needed a defensive tackle, yes, but he clearly took the wrong choice. That would lead us around to him always taking the second-best guy...see Justin Medlock over Mason Crosby, and various other picks that I could get into.

Bottom line is, Peterson actually does the drafting, and has made it specifically clear that Glenn Dorsey is the guy at the top of the Chiefs Draft Board, despite Jake Long filling their biggest need. The question, since Long will go before No. 5, is who is next on the Chief's board. Peterson seems to draft by his board, and not by need.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Here's Carl's lovely drafting resume...
In 2003, the Chiefs needed defense, any defense they could get...they took Larry Johnson instead of Nick Barnett, and chose to draft Kawika Mitchell in the second round instead. That team in 2003 went 13-3 and needed defense. They chose running back and they fell off, because that aging offense couldn't keep up with their 2003 production.

Now, Johnson is a malcontent that is now stuck on a lousy offensive team and Mitchell high-tailed it out of town at the first chance, because KC never gave him much of a chance.

Meanwhile, Nick Barnett is the every-game starting Middle Linebacker for Green Bay.

In 2002, he took Ryan Sims, the second best lineman on his own college team, over Bryant McKinnie, Roy Williams, Levi Jones and Dwight Freeney. At the time, the team needed a defensive tackle, yes, but he clearly took the wrong choice. That would lead us around to him always taking the second-best guy...see Justin Medlock over Mason Crosby, and various other picks that I could get into.

Bottom line is, Peterson actually does the drafting, and has made it specifically clear that Glenn Dorsey is the guy at the top of the Chiefs Draft Board, despite Jake Long filling their biggest need. The question, since Long will go before No. 5, is who is next on the Chief's board. Peterson seems to draft by his board, and not by need.

That's a weak argument. R U seriously saying that you'd rather have barnett over LJ? Really? If so, you are insane. Kawika, if I'm not mistaken just got a ring and a nice FA deal...hardly a bad DRAFT PICK for KC.

I'm not saying he's a good GM...just come up w/ a better example.

[MOtorboat]

That's a weak argument. R U seriously saying that you'd rather have barnett over LJ? Really? If so, you are insane. Kawika, if I'm not mistaken just got a ring and a nice FA deal...hardly a bad DRAFT PICK for KC.

I'm not saying he's a good GM...just come up w/ a better example.

Larry Johnson has created a rift in the locker room here, and yes, it was the wrong pick. They had a back, an All-Pro one actually....he didn't even start until year 3. Was it a bad choice...no...but Nick Barnett would have done much better things for the Chiefs, especially in their window with that Al Saunders offense.

Mitchell never did anything for KC, so, yes, it was a bad draft choice for a team that had a limited window with that offense to compete. Now, they are stuck with an injured, malcontented, overpaid running back who loves to run his mouth, with Brodie Croyle at quarterback.

[mclark]

I know one thing... So many mocks have us drafting Ryan Clady...which I find comical because he will more likely be a Chief. Denver fans want an OT, they better start developing man crushes on Jeff Otah or Chris Williams.

Chris Williams for me.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Larry Johnson has created a rift in the locker room here, and yes, it was the wrong pick. They had a back, an All-Pro one actually....he didn't even start until year 3. Was it a bad choice...no...but Nick Barnett would have done much better things for the Chiefs, especially in their window with that Al Saunders offense.

Mitchell never did anything for KC, so, yes, it was a bad draft choice for a team that had a limited window with that offense to compete. Now, they are stuck with an injured, malcontented, overpaid running back who loves to run his mouth, with Brodie Croyle at quarterback.

LJ has been a dominant back. Priest was damaged goods. Barnett is a slightly above average LB...

[tubby]

The Falcons still need a QB. No way they take Collins (whoever he is) in the 2nd.

[lex]

The Falcons still need a QB. No way they take Collins (whoever he is) in the 2nd.

Collins is the last tackle with a 2nd round grade. There are still 3 QBs with a 2nd round grade and Atlanta picks again at 48.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I truly believe a Woodson, Brohm or Henne may slip to round 3. It's a gamble, but a risk ATL may very well take.

[tubby]

Grow up. Collins is the last tackle with a 2nd round grade. There are still 3 QBs with a 2nd round grade and Atlanta picks again at 48.

I didn't see they had the 48th pick........ my bad.

[dogfish]

I truly believe a Woodson, Brohm or Henne may slip to round 3. It's a gamble, but a risk ATL may very well take.

vick will be out of jail before any of those guys can develop into respectable NFL quarterbacks. . .



but wait, he isn't either-- nevermind. . . .


boy, that schaub trade is looking worse all the time. . . . :lol:

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I hate Henne...but he'll be a solid, heady QB in the NFL. he'd be a stable addition to that mess of a team.

[lex]

Laws was a good get by the Saints.

[tubby]

So who are the Broncos going to pick?

A few names still available..........
-Reggie Smith
-Felix Jones
-Mario Manningham
-Jammal Charles
-Red Bryant
-Dre Moore

[dogfish]

So who are the Broncos going to pick?

A few names still available..........
-Reggie Smith
-Felix Jones
-Mario Manningham
-Jammal Charles
-Red Bryant
-Dre Moore

hah! add james hardy and early doucet, and you've pretty much got my list-- you can see my dilemna. . .

[lex]

Reggie Smith, eh? Interesting.

[tubby]

I guess Abdullah aka the terrorist aka the big whiffer can hit the road.

I like it.

[dogfish]

okay, i had to pass up the tailbacks and grab a defensive player-- and i felt much more comfortable with reggie smith than the inconsistent dre moore. . . smith is a what-you-see-is-what-you-get type of player. . . tough, smart and versatile. . . productive three year starter at a major college program. . . a high character team player with experience making the secondary calls, and he brings the kind of intelligent, vocal on-field leadership that we really need on defense. . .

his speed isn't great for CB, but it's fine for safety, and i ultimately see him starting at the free safety position. . . he'll be the kind of rangy, athletic centerfielder we've needed forever now-- not fast enough to consistently match up with top WR talent on the outside, but he's good enough to cover most TEs and slot receivers man-to-man. . . the type of reliable player you want manning the back line of your D. . . doesn't have the size to be an enforcer in the run game, but he gives good effort and isn't afraid to get his nose in there. . .

people may not like the pick because we just brought in some safeties, but those guys are stop-gaps. . . lynch can't possibly play much longer, abdullah got exposed badly down the stretch last year, manuel is a journeyman-- a marginal starter best suited as a depth player-- and mccree is another aging pair of legs (and he got benched last year in san diego). . . we may have plenty of bodies back there, but before this pick we had zero legitimate young talents. . . not only does smith fill that void in a big way, but his ability to line up at corner also gives us some insurance against the potential departure of foxworth and/or paymah next year. . .

he is also an accomplished special teamer who can play on every one of the kick/punt return and coverage units. . . not a top returner, but he brings depth to the position, and he should be an excellent gunner. . .

overall, i think he brings as much value as the other available picks, and he has the kind of character and versatility i want to build with going forward. . . i also think i've got a better chance of filling other holes in the later rounds than i did with this one. . .

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I have no issue with that.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Porter was a solid pick. I really wanted to take him for Detroit...but prolly wasn't going to. At least my mind was made up for me.

[dogfish]

Porter was a solid pick. I really wanted to take him for Detroit...but prolly wasn't going to. At least my mind was made up for me.

i wouldn't sweat it, he's not a good fit for the cover-2 anyways. . .

[lex]

I like the Cason pick. I actually think he is one of the best two or three CBs.

[Scarface]

Chris Williams for me.

That's my guy too. Athletic and a pure LT prospect.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff302/ScarfaceBroncos2007/NFL%20Draft%2008/LT/williams372475inside1.jpg

[fcspikeit]

With the 48th pick the Atlanta Falcons selected Joe Flacco QB Delaware..


This was a very difficult selection for me.. By far our biggest need is QB.. I know that Brohm or Henne are the most polished and NFL ready of the remaining QB's. But I feel Flacco' upside is far greater then anyone on the board at the position. I believe this pick is one that will give the fans of Atlanta something to be excited about for the upcoming year.

Whether any of the remaining QB's on the board will be franchise signal callers in this league is yet to be seen. I felt that beings all 3 need a lot of work to compete at the next level, I might as well select the project with the biggest upside..

Joe Flacco to me comes across as a guy who will not except being a 2nd string QB. I believe he has the work ethic and athleticism to make every throw in the NFL.


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