Would Josh McDaniels consider Randy Moss in Denver?

[Magnificent Seven]

Here is a look at a potential divorce in New England between the Patriots and receiver Randy Moss. If that does occur, I wonder if former New England defensive coordinator Josh McDaniels would consider Moss in Denver. The two had a good working relationship. With Pro Bowl receiver Brandon Marshall perhaps on his way out from Denver, there could be an opening. Might be worth keeping an eye on down the road.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/9084/evening-afc-west-news-and-notes-87

[Lonestar]

burger bill ahahahahahahahahaha he was full of it when he was in DEN.. now with espn he is really out of touch..

we should trade one head case for another.

loony tons strikes again..

[Magnificent Seven]

Yeah. Just wanted to share it with y'all.

[Traveler]

Here is a look at a potential divorce in New England between the Patriots and receiver Randy Moss. If that does occur, I wonder if former New England "defensive" coordinator Josh McDaniels would consider Moss in Denver. The two had a good working relationship. With Pro Bowl receiver Brandon Marshall perhaps on his way out from Denver, there could be an opening. Might be worth keeping an eye on down the road.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/9084/evening-afc-west-news-and-notes-87

HUH? Just sayin'......

[Northman]

Nah, i could see Randy getting real sour real quick if the team doesnt win consistently.

[Dirk]

If BMarsh is indeed gone this year, then I wouldn't be against getting Moss here for a year or two. Moss is still good. Not like he was early in his career but still good.

[Dirk]

burger bill ahahahahahahahahaha he was full of it when he was in DEN.. now with espn he is really out of touch..

we should trade one head case for another.

loony tons strikes again..

I think his real head case days are behind him.

I don't see Bill getting rid of him unless he can stockpile some picks.

[Zweems56]

Thread title is inaccurated. Some dipshit saying "I wonder if McD would" is very different than McD would.

[dogfish]

Thread title is inaccurated. Some dipshit saying "I wonder if McD would" is very different than McD would.

just getting ready to post that. . . this is pure unsubstantiated speculation on burger bill's part-- total non-story until mcD gives some indication otherwise. . .

besides. . . if he wants an uber-talented malcontent receiver who plays when he wants to, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to keep the YOUNG one he already has. . .


:coffee:

[broncofaninfla]

Mcd brining in ANY Patriot wouldn't surprise me, he still has major wood for Belicheck and the boys. Case in point Hochstien, we actually traded for this scrub. He might as well have been Hamilton, BOTH were nothing short of pathetic this year.

[Ziggy]

Mcd brining in ANY Patriot wouldn't surprise me, he still has major wood for Belicheck and the boys. Case in point Hochstien, we actually traded for this scrub. He might as well have been Hamilton, BOTH were nothing short of pathetic this year.

Wrong. As bad as Hochstien was, he still played better than Hamilton. He also brought the versatility to play fullback in goal line situations early in the year. This is a perfect example of the pickle that McD was put in. Steve Hutchinson wasn't available during FA. The offensive line was the strength of this team last season. McD focused mostly on the defense. He brought in players and a coach that greatly improved it and gave the Broncos a chance to be competitive this season.

Hill, Dawkins, Haggan, Ried, McBean, Davis, and Goodman. Those names sound familiar? They all worked out well. However, the haters are going to focus on guys like Hochstien. The Pats scrubs are better than many of the Broncos starters were. Hochstien is a perfect example. He may not have been starting quality, but he brought versatility and a slight upgrade over Hamilton. Oh, and he knew the system. Why not bring him in? What about Paxton? Anyone remember a bad snap on special teams? No, because there wasn't one. Not a single one the entire season.

If the team you take over is so depleted in talent that you have to bring in another team's scrubs, why not bring in scrubs that are an upgrade over what you have and that know the system? Seems like a logical, intelligent move to me. I'd rather supplement some positions with guys like Hochstien and replace him with better players in a year or two than get one or 2 big name guys like Haynesworth and lose overall depth.

Youy can bash McD all you want for the draft, or the way he's handled some things in the media. However, if you know anything about football, you know that he absolutely nailed it in free agency. Then again, the haters are going to bag on him regardless. That's just the way forums are.

Oh and about having a wood for Belicheck and his boys. If he hired me, built a modern era dynasty, and won 3 Superbowls with the way he did things, I'd want to bring those habits to my new job also.

[e-Lou-sive1]

It would't make any sense to bring in Randy Moss he is worse than Marshall in terms of giving up on plays and Orton's failure to reach him on an open post route would drive him insane.He is used to Qb's with rocket arms airing it out to him for highlight reel material boosting is ego in return. A happy Moss equals a happy team,A frustrated Moss equals team turmoil which we have enough of right now.Keep Moss and give us Welker when he's healthy enought to play.

[Nomad]

'Just Say NO to Moss'

TIA

[Cugel]

Nothing McDaniels does would surprise me at this point! He's not remotely done getting rid of every Shanahan player left on the roster and bringing in "his" players.

Getting rid of a top 5 YOUNG WR in Brandon Marshall and bringing in an OLD WR in Randy Moss makes no kind of sense. Ergo, it's something McDaniels could easily do. I wouldn't bet even money on it at this point (he could just go with Jabbar Gaffney as his #1 WR and please every other team in the AFC West), but it could happen.

When has any of the player personnel moves he's made on offense made any sense at all? :confused:

He wants to remake the Broncos into "his team" and that also means changing the OL scheme -- which means that a bunch of guys who worked GREAT together in 2008 and were well on their way to being the best OL in football -- suddenly are not a very good fit at all in McDaniels power blocking scheme.

So, get rid of them! Start with Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper! Then you can move Ryan Clady because he's not working out nearly as well in this new scheme as he did in his rookie year under Shanahan. He gave up a LOT more sacks this season than the 1 he gave up last year.

The lie that Broncos fans tell themselves:


If the team you take over is so depleted in talent that you have to bring in another team's scrubs, why not bring in scrubs that are an upgrade over what you have and that know the system? Seems like a logical, intelligent move to me.

Depleted in talent? The 2008 Broncos had the #2 offense in football with a TON of YOUNG talented players who would only expect to get better as they continued to play together for the next few years. They had the potential to be the best Broncos offensive team since Elway!

Cutler, Marshall, Sheffler, Royal, Clady, Harris, Kuper, Hamilton. They were all good and could form the core basis for a great offense for years and years to come! Add a decent RB to the mix and Denver would challenge San Diego for the dominant offense in the AFC West. If Cutler continued to develop, they could potentially challenge the other elite teams like Indy, NE, Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

All that McDaniels had to do was come into town, and concentrate on fixing the defense and let the offensive strictly alone. Keep the coaches, keep the system, keep the players and ride that train to victory in the playoffs!

And now a little over a year later we can look back at the wreckage of the once mighty Broncos offense. Most of those players are gone and the rest will soon be gone too. And nobody but a blind homer could think that the guys who are replacing them are an "improvement".

McDaniels will bring in "his" players to fit "his system". Only the players and system are all decidely mediocre. QB Neck-beard frightens nobody in the NFL.

Marshall was a terror that defenses had to try and contain, but now he's gone and Sheffler too. Did NOBODY see those passes bounce off the hands of Daniel Graham in the final game like they were made of teflon?

That's why he's the most overpaid ($30 million contract w/ $10 million signing bonus) blocking TE in football. He can't catch passes consistently when you need a guy with good hands.

Are you looking forward to seeing him bounce passes off his hands all next season when Sheffler's history? :coffee:

Just add another position to the "desperately needs upgrade" pile as McDaniels completes the dismantling of the Broncos.

As for the defense, he totally dismantled that too, but at least here there was NO choice! They desperately NEEDED to be FIRED!

Nobody in the world would have criticized McDaniels if he'd just come in and gotten rid of the dead-wood on defense and brought in Nolan and the FAs he's gotten: (Goodman, Renaldo Hill, Dawkins, Ron Fields -- all major success stories!)

That's what makes it so DAMN FRUSTRATING! We could have a SB contender RIGHT NOW! It didn't need to be a "rebuilding year".

And if the "rebuilding" doesn't work out any better in 2010 than it did this past year then McDaniels is gone and ANOTHER new coach will have to come in and then HE'LL want "his" players and "his" system and will start getting rid of McDaniels' players!

That's how teams like Cleveland and the Lions became bottom feeders for so many years!

[UnderArmour]

Offseason:
Re-sign/tag Marshall
Grab Randy Moss
Sign Terrell Owens


:beer:CHAMPIONSHIP:beer:

[GEM]

Thread title is inaccurated. Some dipshit saying "I wonder if McD would" is very different than McD would.

Fixed. :)

[BroncoNut]

hmmmm.. that's right, Randy is done.

[Ravage!!!]

The question is "would he?" Sure he would. WHy wouldn't he consider him IF he was available to consider? He considered Cassel, some receiver we have now, and a long snapper. Of course he would consider him.

[jrelway]

yes! lets bring randy moss in to have him run the 8 yrd routes. i wonder if randy moss can break tackles off the bubble screens.

[Zweems56]

Fixed. :)

Thank you. Sometimes i read these thread titles and I wonder.... what if a player was perusing our forums and read that? If I read that my boss was considering trading me for a 50 year old tech specialist, and it was really just some dude's idea projected as if it was fact, I would be pretty pissed off. Probably so pissed off that I wouldnt even open the thread past reading the name.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Nobody in the world would have criticized McDaniels if he'd just come in and gotten rid of the dead-wood on defense and brought in Nolan and the FAs he's gotten: (Goodman, Renaldo Hill, Dawkins, Ron Fields -- all major success stories!)

That's what makes it so DAMN FRUSTRATING! We could have a SB contender RIGHT NOW! It didn't need to be a "rebuilding year".



This, my friend, is what I believe Bowlen envisioned when he gave McDaniels the keys to this car. NOBODY thought he'd start running offensive probowlers and young talent out of town.

[Ravage!!!]

Nobody in the world would have criticized McDaniels if he'd just come in and gotten rid of the dead-wood on defense and brought in Nolan and the FAs he's gotten: (Goodman, Renaldo Hill, Dawkins, Ron Fields -- all major success stories!)

That's what makes it so DAMN FRUSTRATING! We could have a SB contender RIGHT NOW! It didn't need to be a "rebuilding year".



Bingo........ I think that says it all right there, (like horse above said). How it became a complete dismantling, is still dumbfounding.

[Northman]

This, my friend, is what I believe Bowlen envisioned when he gave McDaniels the keys to this car. NOBODY thought he'd start running offensive probowlers and young talent out of town.


Maybe. However, unlike the circumstance with Elway when Cutler failed to respond to him i think Bowlen understood where McD was coming from and why the change had to be made. If Bowlen had truly believed that Cutler was in the right and McD was simply running him out of town he would of pulled the plug on McD. Its his team, Bowlen is not afraid to stand behind his QB if he feels that player is worth more than the coach. Considering what has happened in Chicago this year i would venture to say that Bowlen is content with his decision thus far.

[Ravage!!!]

Maybe. However, unlike the circumstance with Elway when Cutler failed to respond to him i think Bowlen understood where McD was coming from and why the change had to be made. If Bowlen had truly believed that Cutler was in the right and McD was simply running him out of town he would of pulled the plug on McD. Its his team, Bowlen is not afraid to stand behind his QB if he feels that player is worth more than the coach. Considering what has happened in Chicago this year i would venture to say that Bowlen is content with his decision thus far.

I'm not so sure on that.

I mean, Bowlen would look a fool for firing shanahan, then losing his QB, then firing his new coach all in the same season/offseason. Especially after he spent a good del interviewing a lot of candidates.

I also wouldn't be so sure that Bowlen is happy with the trade. I think everyone knows that Cutler could have thrown the 5 yrd pass and bubble screens.

But.. not going to get into that again. You think it was great to get rid of Cutler, I don't. I have accepted its a done deal, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. DOesn't mean I have to believe it was the right decision at ALL, and I'm pretty confident it wasn't. So.... to which their own, but I don't believe Bowlen simply believes it because of 26 INTs. I think thats a big time stretch, imo. :salute:

[SR]

When was Josh McDaniels a defensive coordinator in NE? I'm pretty sure he wasn't. Just sayin.

[Northman]

I'm not so sure on that.

I mean, Bowlen would look a fool for firing shanahan, then losing his QB, then firing his new coach all in the same season/offseason. Especially after he spent a good del interviewing a lot of candidates.

I also wouldn't be so sure that Bowlen is happy with the trade. I think everyone knows that Cutler could have thrown the 5 yrd pass and bubble screens.

But.. not going to get into that again. You think it was great to get rid of Cutler, I don't. I have accepted its a done deal, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. DOesn't mean I have to believe it was the right decision at ALL, and I'm pretty confident it wasn't. So.... to which their own, but I don't believe Bowlen simply believes it because of 26 INTs. I think thats a big time stretch, imo. :salute:


I dont think Bowlen is necessarily happy with the trade. Im sure he would of like McDaniels to have handled the situation better and for Jay to sack up and be a man about it. But i dont think he regrets it either. He reached out to the player the player rejected him. Not much he from a owner's standpoint can do about it. He could either side with his number one choice of whom a good portion of media and fans alike think is HOF material or he could side with a wet under the ears coach. This is why i think its important for people to understand why Jay was traded when all was said and done. If Jay wanted to be a Bronco he would of been a Bronco but he couldnt get over his insecurities. And i do think that Bowlen can look at what took place in Chicago and feel somewhat better about his decision. A lot of people thought Chicago would be contending for that division and go into the playoffs because they felt the QB position was fixed and was the major problem the last few years. Now, when we see that the so called elite QB is brought in the excuses now turn to other areas that no one wanted to talk about while Kyle, Brian, Rex, etc were there. Kind of ironic huh?

[Ravage!!!]

I dont think Bowlen is necessarily happy with the trade. Im sure he would of like McDaniels to have handled the situation better and for Jay to sack up and be a man about it. But i dont think he regrets it either. He reached out to the player the player rejected him. Not much he from a owner's standpoint can do about it. He could either side with his number one choice of whom a good portion of media and fans alike think is HOF material or he could side with a wet under the ears coach. This is why i think its important for people to understand why Jay was traded when all was said and done. If Jay wanted to be a Bronco he would of been a Bronco but he couldnt get over his insecurities. And i do think that Bowlen can look at what took place in Chicago and feel somewhat better about his decision. A lot of people thought Chicago would be contending for that division and go into the playoffs because they felt the QB position was fixed and was the major problem the last few years. Now, when we see that the so called elite QB is brought in the excuses now turn to other areas that no one wanted to talk about while Kyle, Brian, Rex, etc were there. Kind of ironic huh?

Thats not irony.

But Bowlen may be happy its not the front-page of the news... but it will be as soon as Marshall hits the trading block. IT will all resurface again. Does Bowlen feel better about the trade? :whoknows: But simply speculating that he does based on 26 INTs is pretty silly, imo (not saying you are suggesting its because of the 26 INTs...others have). Certainly not after watching the QB we have on the field, I don't think so. There was nothing on the field that made anyone forget about Cutler's skills.

Not when we, again, see another pro-bowl player hit the road.

[Ravage!!!]

When was Josh McDaniels a defensive coordinator in NE? I'm pretty sure he wasn't. Just sayin.

You know.. I caught this too. I started to post it, but thought "oh well".... the article wasn't about that, anyway :beer:

[SR]

I pointed it it out because Magnificent Seven frequently gets his facts crossed and thinks the NFL is a game of Madden. Drives me crazy.

[topscribe]

It would't make any sense to bring in Randy Moss he is worse than Marshall in terms of giving up on plays and Orton's failure to reach him on an open post route would drive him insane.He is used to Qb's with rocket arms airing it out to him for highlight reel material boosting is ego in return. A happy Moss equals a happy team,A frustrated Moss equals team turmoil which we have enough of right now.Keep Moss and give us Welker when he's healthy enought to play.

Again. Orton threw the ball 74 yards as a high school kid. He threw the ball 65
in the air on that Hail Mary pass at the end of the first half in the NE game. He
threw it 50+ yards in the air twice in the Washington game and actually
overthrew Royal about the same distance down the field in the same game. That
30 yard pass to Scheffler at the end of the Oakland game was an absolute
missile.

Orton does not have any deep threats for receivers, except for possibly
up-coming McKinley. Moss is a deep threat. I would like to see what Orton
can do actually with a deep threat, rather than to make uninformed
speculations on what he cannot do . . .

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[Overtime]

since when does a receivers 12th season in the NFL mean he's done???

Jerry Rice had pretty good numbers in his 12th season

http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880

Randy Moss has plenty left in the gas tank. I wouldn't be opposed to the move, but we need a ******* QB that can throw the ball to him.

[Broncolingus]

Initial take is I hope not...

Of course, now that I posted that, we'll trade for him and he'll be the difference to get us to and win playoff games just to make me look like a yutz...

(...is that being optomistic?...)

My guess is McD wants a 'Welker-ish' (that's funny) guy...although, I don't know why if healthy Stokley cant fill that role...

Ah, WTF do I know anyway...

[topscribe]

since when does a receivers 12th season in the NFL mean he's done???

Jerry Rice had pretty good numbers in his 12th season

http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880

Randy Moss has plenty left in the gas tank. I wouldn't be opposed to the move, but we need a ******* QB that can throw the ball to him.

For that reason, I'm thankful the Broncos have Kyle Orton . . .

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[WARHORSE]

No thanks to MOSS.

Hes the most talented slacker that ever lived.:coffee: